Olly Alexander wrote a song. But Joost wrote a Eurovision song.
Back in December, the United Kingdom's Olly Alexander was hailed as one of the biggest stars ever to come to Eurovision. He seemed like the end goal of the EBU's uphill battle to make Eurovision a place where a-listers could bring their a-game. Across the Channel, the Netherlands' Joost Klein had a reputation as a funny, emo rapper that festival kids adored, but it wasn't clear he was capable of mainstream success. Their songs went live within 24 hours of each other... and that's when this story threw us a dizzying twist.
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After watching all of your videos, I am honored to be part of one. Thanks for actually looking into my art. Weirdly enough it made me shed a tear. Blessings and LOVE!!!! 💙
Thanks for giving us so much to overthink! Good luck next week, my gabber. 💙
Ay joost doe wel ff de hele versie van de outro in je act. Love❤
The man himself just be showing up like that, huh. Can't wait for you to bring the party to Eurovision!
You can handle every chapter of your own book 💪🏼 Enjoy these Eurovision paragraphs. We love you Joost ❤
Joost 💎 , ik wil ook ff wat zeggen, je bent zo goed! Sinds en dankzij het liedje Europapa heb ik al je super-creatieve en diepgaande en humorvolle muziek en video's gezien. Toen mn zoon van nu 23 jaar , vroeger klein was volgde hij je al, en ik hoorde je muziek de laatste jaren vanuit de badkamer weet ik nu. en hij lijkt toevallig ook heel veel op je. Hij is net zo hip en cool, en ik ben supertrots op jullie allebei💛💛 Ik hou zo veel van je teksten, nog nooit zo iets goeds gehoord Superveel succes gewenst maar vooral heel veel plezier met al je lieve vrienden. 😍💎🧦~~~En Europino is ook gewoon super hot! LOOOOOOVE en dank je wel 🙏
Joost's story is even more painful now that he's disqualified
Yes so much
You reap what you sow.
@@northernlight8857shut up
@@northernlight8857 what do you mean? he literally stood up for himself getting bullied, I agree you should be a better man and sometimes take it and dont fight back, but this was not the case. He had every right to act and EBU having double standards is just out right corrupt. Loving and equal world my ass, with all the "flags" and "ABC´s".
@@xXGeorgChannelXxwomp womp woman beater
I deeply respect what Joost is trying to do with "Europapa". Eurodance can be meaningful and trashy. This is such a jam.
i’m sorry but it’s utter rubbish!
It’s Dutch hardcore mate
@@benjames9158 The second part, sure. The first leg of the song is pure eurodance.
@@zhenia2511 its happy hardcore mate
its literally eurobeat, techno and hardcore
Am I the only one thinking this video needs a post-Eurovision sequel?
It might!
@@overthinkingit i hope so
@@overthinkingitcrossing my fingers for your update after the whole investigation concludes!
@@CiosTysaicaKlusek Couldn't agree more!!!
Next year I expect "Euromama" to hit the charts. Or maybe "Martin won't win".
After watching this deep dive I am now scared of how the disqualification might influence Joost... Both mentally and artistically
Hopefully he won't grope more women
first thing that came to my mind too. He was scammed imo.
Totally agree. He was not given the chance to perform his masterpiece. I wish Joost will survive mentally, he has overcome the worst trauma. Karma is a B**** and he will come our stronger. Not very surprising that Switzerland won as I think the EBUs top is from there. This outcome is totally rigged. It's not about music anymore, it's about money and politics
Judging from his physical appearance, he already has mental issues.
@@zentanglemethilde "Masterpiece" "survive mentally" "worst trauma" - come on, grow up ffs!!!
One got zero televote points and one got disqualified. This is a sad video in hindsight.
the zero televotes were to be expected. The disqualification was wild
I found it really odd to hear that Olly wanted to make us thing of a beautiful magical place.. while on stage he seemed to be in a dirty public toilet... Like... Really? That was supposed to evoce magic and beauty??
@@ElisaWolblauw the dude is gay dirty public toilets is where all the magic happens between gay dudes
@@ElisaWolblauw ikr Still feel bad for him and the uk though
Watching this video after the announcement that Joost does not get to perform due to (allegations of) "agressive movements" from Joost to a camera crew is so unreal. It feels so unfair that the EBU gets to take away such a core moment within Joost's life, over such a small thing. It shows once again (to me) that big organisations really give horse crap about people's wellbeing & mental, while acting so pretentious wholesome at the superficial layer. Ridiculous. Joost, in the rare event you'll read this: You've done an awesome job at the eurovision, don't let some bullies from the EBU ruin that memory for you.
Justice for Joost
@joostklein1 i feel like he needs to see this🫶🏼
Joost has reacted under this video, we are all linked. Live for humanity. Study for humanity, never follow this government crap and we will be alright. If you see my clips channel you can see I've clipped joost story in this video. Humanity lives on, we must unite! ❤
trouwens ik ben nederlands, kwart fries. If you want to know something about the frisians then I'll tell you their secrets, they named themselves after the nordic goddess freya, freya is the goddess of freedom and fertility, the dutch word vrijen, vrijdag(friday/freyaday) comes from freya. We are freya's children who desire freedom. the fact joost made this entry already proves my hypothesis. Vrijen the word for intercourse literally refers to being free. Frisians desire freedom and EBU is denying them. This speaks volumes to where europe is aiming to head and how strong the human spirit truly is. @joostklein1
FREE(SIAN) JOOST! THEY ACTUALLY REMOVED THE FRISIAN FLAG FROM GOOGLE!
well, this aged well.
Trying to decide which crying emoji is right for this.
@@overthinkingitall of them :(
@@overthinkingitJoost deserved to be up there today
@@overthinkingit The frisians(joost's people) named themselves after nordic goddess freya, the word friday comes from freya, just like tuesday is twizday, wednesday is wodansday(wodan is a diff name for odin) and thursday is thorsday. Friday is the day you get to be free, you get the week-end. The fact they disqualified a frisian with the message of freedom speaks volumes to europe's agenda. Eur-o-pean, you're-a-peon. Peon; noun 1. a Spanish American day labourer or unskilled farm worker. 2. (in South and SE Asia) a low-ranking worker such as an attendant, orderly, or assistant. "the elder son is a peon at a nearby school" Frisians want freedom, the word vrijen in dutch means to have intercourse, friday is called vrijdag in dutch. free=vrij. I believe the EBU did this for a reason to subconsciously prove a point. Note: the frisian flag has been removed by google.
"Isn't this entire song about how Joost is an International Klein?" SENT me, omg,
the layers :D
@@Jessy9991Joost uses the onion metaphor to describe himself lol
For an American being able to get this so spot on is amazing. Did not know Americans were into Eurovision at all. Great work!
Not even Europeans are into it, - ( apart from lgbtq, hairdressers, children and the artists family ). Normal adults watch anything else.
I been watching them for like close to a decade when some videos got barely past 1000views! I love that they get more love now!
@@lise1255 Normal adults watch Eurovision. I used to watch it with my family then I'd discuss it with my friends who had also watched it with their family. But that was when our country made good songs :(
@@venipaunski4965 I did so too, as a child, but it was like the audience and general quality changed dramatically in the mid nineties. Today I don't know anyone that would waste their time with it. The internet and streaming services has also provided better alternatives.
After Eurovision this film is even more tragic
Sorry, but I can't sympathize with a sexual predator.
@@lLenn2 stop spreading lies lol, where did you even get that from 💀
@@jealous6434 There's al literal police investigation running against him. 💀
@@lLenn2 ??? wtf my dude?!
@@marceloantunes998 What?
Aruban here, we’re also really proud of our Joost Klein! He may be Frisian but he speaks with the backing of the entire Dutch kingdom behind him.
That's really nice!
That's so nice to hear Andre and it makes me happy😊 Are there also reaction videos on Europapa from Arubans?
@@rakrega My 2 year old son rocks the suv when the hakken starts
@@andreluismarin8095Great to hear he’s enjoying himself 💙 Btw did you see the video made by kids of a primary school (group 6, 7 and 8)? Check out Europapa OBS de Horizon. It’s fun and quite good.
That's a lovely sentiment and completely true
I am a Dutch person who normally does not care at all about EuroVision (I did not even know it was coming up, if you can believe it). I thought the entire show was just a collection of intentionally bad vapid pop. This video randomly came up in my recommendations and I figured I'd give it a watch, basically just to laugh at whatever nonsense we sent in this time, and how you could possibly fill half of an 50 minute video talking about it. I couldn't be more wrong, I found this to be an amazing video. It managed to make me actively care about the outcome of the EuroVision, when previously I had no idea about the range of genres represented in the show, let alone the underlying emotions behind many of the songs. My expectations were thoroughly shattered, and the level of research in this video (and several of the others I have watched since then) impressed me almost as much as the Frogger joke. Seriously, that one had me laughing so much I had to pause the video. Then right after watching this video I decided to google Joost to see how well he was doing, and found out that he was disqualified 15 minutes earlier??? :( What a damn rollercoaster of emotions. Unbelievable. My opinion as a brand new EuroVision aficionado may be of limited value, but I wish him much strength after this. The song is an actual banger that I am sure will live on long past this moment. Keep up the good work Joost and Overthinking It!
Both of them made Eurovision history. One by being disqualified, one with 0 points from televotes... Story ended with the plot twist I guess.
The Tale of Two Misfortunes
Watching this after what happened today at the Eurovision finale, it just makes me more mad at the injustice of it all. For Joost, this was a deepmy meaningful moment. Something he promised his late father and mother he would do. And he did do it! But then, after he was filmed against his will in an extremely vulnerable moment, he gets disqualified. I hope something is done to rectify this. This is horrible.
He used it to make a statement. Viva Palestina!
I got this video recommended during the finale and decided to watch it during the point giving. Took a break to see how the score was and the Netherlands showed up (well, the actual representative was missing) and.....Did we just got boo’ed? :(
@@dormant_informantI think the booing was for the EBU? Wasn’t totally clear but the guy presenting the Dutch points was an EBU official
@dormant_informant EBU got booed not you
@@vincentstef5708 You're right, it was for the producer, Martin Österdahl. I interpreted it as it was for us not showing up to distribute the points.
I dont give two shit if they disqualified him. Being an non-eu person, I Wasn't even that invested in eurovision to begin with, but this is without a doubt, the best damn song from the contest and its message is something that deeply resonate with me. Nemo may have lifted the trophy, but Klein won it, and the spirit of Eurovision, which is one of Unity.
Don't know if it's because you've got more interesting artists and songs to analyze this year than usual, but you guys are on a hotstreak. This and the Greece video are some of the best work I've ever seen about the contest.
@buibuich775 Agreed, the video about Greece was excellent as well 🙂👌🏾
Yes! Great work!
43:14 "...and Europapa might not get a lot of love from the juries" IF ONLY HE KNEW HOW RIGHT HE WAS
Technically speaking we will never know. He was the third act to go to the finals during the second semi finals. But that's a random lineup, so it doesn't say anything on how popular he is. And he was DQ before the finals, so we will never know the points he would have gotten from the juries. It's the EBU who decided to disqualify him, not the juries . . . I think. But I wouldn't be surprised if I'm mistaken.
Incredible video! You told Joost’s story so well, and we Dutch people are so so proud of him!
This makes the injustice of the disqualification even more heartbreaking. I didn’t watch Eurovision this year (boycotting) but what a deserving winner.
Seeing Otto Waalkes, my childhood's no 1 comedian, on a Eurovision video is something i really dreamed of
I'm shocked to hear that they didnt know how to label Otto. He's a solo comic act somewhat in fashion of Monty python. Couldn't name an old English stage act that does similar things as Otto tho...
I hate comedians with a passion, but Otto Walkes is one of a few exceptions. He's always been HILARIOUS.
We need to send Otto to Eurovision... simply so that can overthinking Eurovision can make a video overthinking Otto.
Maybe a mix of Weird Al and Monty Python is what i would call what otto has done
oh and he voiced Mushu in the 90s Mulan.
You guys take Eurovision song analysis to a completely different level. Thank you!
Your review is as multi layered and in depth as Joost Klein's Europapa is constructed . By revealing this step by step, you're unearthing a gem. I want to express my respect for both both you and Joost. This is a one of a kind song that will be iconic anthem for years to come. Thank you for putting so much love in it!
Joost loves his onions, even raw.
terrific video, the "bizarden" comparison with Joost is inspired. my favourite "hidden detail" of Europapa is at the start of the full version of the Outro. This begins "Een kruistocht in mijn spijkerbroek," i.e. "a crusade in my jeans." The reference is to the widely-beloved Dutch children's novel from 1973 by Thea Beckman, "Kruistocht in Spijkerbroek," in which a lad is transported by a time-machine back to the year 1212 and ends up in the Children's Crusade (a tragic episode of European history) --- book was filmed (big-budget Dutch production, English-language) with Johnny Flynn and Emily Watson in 2006.
Outro: kzhead.info/sun/dqttlqWHiYh6nHk/bejne.html
I hadn't even spotted that! Awesome symbolism
i'm belgian and gen z but i read this book with my mom when i was a child and loved it :) and i still see it in book stores sometimes! i really didn't like that the movie removed leonardo and made up a love story with a girl who wasn't in the book instead. i feel like it really deserves a new adaptation, maybe a short series instead of a movie and make it more faithful to the book
@@leaf111 i would say Netflix needs to get on it but they ruined Brief voor de Koning
15:41 "He was sent home by the school counselors for being too much of a nuisance" Lmao some things don't change
I'm an American, Europapa hits harder than 99% of the music that's popular here. Joost doesn't need a title his song is the only eurovision song that pops up on my timeline. The true definition of viral.
Seeing this video after Joost was kicked out this is terribly sad 😢
I can’t believe you did this again… I didn’t care about Marina Satti before watching your video about her. I didn’t care about Joost before watching this video. Thank you, that was super interesting, I looked at him in totally different light.
I knew Europapa was genius, but god damn you made it even deeper. It already had everything: an ode to his parents, an ode to Europe, mentioning other countries, an ode to Dutch music, saying stuff in English, Italian and Germany, a huge dance part, a sad part. But it's a true work of art now.
Just so everyone know who Otto Waalkes is: He's a LEGEND in Germany. He's a comedian/actor/artist that's been around for decades and if you ever saw him in real life you'd be confused that man is a real person.
German and Frisian!
We all know who really won. It's undeniably Joost, his music has reached a kpop girlie like myself who isn't even European. Wishing only the best things in the world for Joost
As a Brit I've been wary of UK writing songs specifically for Eurovision, as it's easy for someone to fall into the trap of writing a song that they *think* makes a good Eurovision song, when actually it doesn't because it's too kitschy, cheesy or generic. In the same podcast you referred to, they also mentioned that some of the songs they listened to were too "Eurovision-esque". I get thay they wanted a more commercial sounding song, but I'd be curious to hear some of these songs to see if any of them would have been a good pick. Just because a song isn't your typical commecial song, doesn't mean it can't be commercially successful, as evidenced by Joost. You make a good argument that actually writing a song specifically for Eurovision may actually bot be such a bad idea after all.
Interestingly, the reverse was the case for Europapa. Joost has explained in an interview that he would've loved to make it harder - as in, way more happy hardcore and gabber than it is now. Instead, they made the decision to throw a lot of pop in there, to appeal to a wider audience. It's a move that has probably saved the song: the gabber makes it stand out and is a wonderful tribute to a Dutch subculture that is still alive and thriving (!), but the pop makes it digestible to international listeners who aren't familiar with the genre - thus commercializing the song, but without losing its essence.
yeah I'm going to need to hear the rest of Olly's album to know if they made a mistake but it's probably a load of other radio hits. I think Dizzy probably has a staging plan they really want to execute, which makes Dizzy a song designed for a live show, with stronger radio songs to follow later in the year to profit off ESC.
Europapa perhaps is more Europop/Eurodance, that's something more relevant to central/mainland Europe than it has been to UK music. How he dresses and acts in that MV is likely more accepted in that context. Cultural differences
It might be, if you understand what a 'good Eurovision song' actually IS these days, which the souls charged with picking entries for the UK do NOT, paired with a record industry and artist's roster that thinks it's way too good for Eurovision and the artists that may be suitable and want to go never getting approached by the cabal in charge of picking entries. Honestly Sam Ryder seems to be more of an accidentally good choice than an informed one.
I don’t want us writing a song *for* Eurovision. I want us to send great singers who can perform well with great songs. Italy and Portugal never send ‘Eurovision’ songs. They send quality songs that they like and they consistently perform well.
It looks like this one is gonna need to get a part 2 ;)
I have been so excited about "Europapa" since it came out. I told about it to my own father and he watched it's music video. Dad said that song was interesting calling it eurohumppapop (humppa is type of Finnish Dance music) and interpreted ending where sky is blue and yellow as remembrance of sympathy for Ukraine.
I also showed the music video to my father! And explained what it’s about. He is basically only listening to classical music, but he instantly liked it. I was so surprised and very happy about his reaction.
The colors in the end reminded me of some of Vincent Van Gogh’s paintings. The ‘Last Supper’ scene reminded me of the light/dark tones of Rembrandt. The music video itself is a masterpiece of its own imo. That's the nice thing about art: it opens all kinds of valves in people's thoughts and feelings.
Gary Barlow is huge, I can’t believe he is the running joke of this video 😂
Bigger than Elton John?😮
But he can't pass salt water? I have no idea who that is
Take that was huge 2 decades ago, these days...nobody knows who Gary Barlow is outside the UK
Gary Barlow WAS huge.
Back in the 90s he was SUPER famous here in Italy (along with Take That obviously).
Wow you really made me rethink my opinion about this years Netherlands entry putting it down as „nonsense“ song
oh no! anything but nonsense!
Same here, although i still don't think it's a great track, as i grew up listening to "real" Hardcore, DJ Paul Elstak hasn't been known to be a "true" Hardcore DJ for ages, but the cheesy (no pun intended) lyrics make a lot more sense now. And although i'm not entirely a fan of the "gratuitous suffering", on the other hand, i was also a major Nirvana fan until Kurt was no more (when i was 10), which is exactly 30 years ago this month actually. So yeah, knowing all this, i don't dislike the track as much anymore, and i appreciate Joost more, but i still don't really expect it to do well, as i think that it just lacks energy to make it really exciting, and it doesn't have the emotional punch to make this some timeless classic, but it did well in the charts, i was surprised to hear that it topped it for 5 weeks. That example they used of DJ Paul Elstak's Rainbow in the Sky, that is an energetic chart classic, Elstak should've used some of that energy in this one. But yeah, i don't actually follow Eurovision, algorithm brought me here after watching an F1 video, but i was kinda curious to know who Joost really was, because i never watch Dutch TV anymore and only hear some songs on the radio at work. Not to end on a too morbid note, he's 26 now, just kinda wondering, he turns 27 in November this year, will he make it to 28 after this rebirth, or... y'know, Club 27, 50/50 chance imo. But i hope the best for him of course.
@@Games_and_Music yes. that's morbid....and I'm worried now.
Ahh, watching this "the day after". Hear you speculate about Joost' next trauma free music. I think poor Joost has just been dealt another trauma by EBC. How ironic
Justice for Joost!!!
There are many songs this year that talk about pretty serious things (Europapa, Zari, La Noia, Rim Tim Tagi Dim etc.) that are catchy or even sound ridiculous to some people. However, when you analyse it this way you can see that there's something behind these fast beats and funky clothes. As someone already said, by hearing an analysis like this you can listen to a song in a completely different way and start to even like it (if you didn't before). So thank you, Overthinking It, you're doing a great job!
And to think Eurovision used to have this image of being all glitz and ridiculousness. Thank you "Overthinking Eurovision" for showcasing the deep stuff.
The most American thing about this whole video is nothing to do with not knowing who Gary Barlow is, but to swiftly go on to compare the UK and Netherlands journeys at Eurovision to Hollywood movies.
thought the same....always go back to US at the center of the world....
You just told me some amazing things about Europapa I didn't know and I thought I knew a lot... The meaning of "stay here until I die" explained while you prove the older man in the video is Joost himself. And your tulip metaphor is brilliant. Thank you so much! ❤
Indeed, i keep hearing it on the radio, but it just sounded really dumb to me, the simplistic lyrics, the tacky "announcer voice" during the verses and the weak chorus singing (he's got a voice for voiceover work, not for singing or rapping). I wasn't aware that he also wears those weird clothes, i thought he was just another fake hipster with a mullet, but now i actually understand that it's all twisted. Still don't like the song though, but do have a better appreciation of Joost and i can stop cringing as much when i hear it again, hah.
This video was so much deeper than I expected. The bizarden metaphor was beautiful and now I'm actually fully crying
Either the people that did the research are super in tune with Europe or they had to do a ton of research (or probably both). This is spot on, what a great analysis. I'm Dutch and even learned a few things!
I bet you, their fan Base on Discord is providing them with alot of facts from all the corners of Europe. But what amazing job to make the story so interesting and captivating!!! I didn't think I would watch this video in it's full but I got hooked to it.
This is exactly right. I don't consider myself an expert on Eurovision, Europe, music, or much of anything. No one should imagine for a moment I previously knew who DJ Gladde Paling was. But I've worked as a reporter before and this is the same thing. You read what's already out there, you ask a lot of questions, you make it all flow nicely from idea to idea, and you add some fart jokes. For each of the videos this year there were people on the Discord, Reddit, and elsewhere who were very generous with their time. When Joost commented on this video, I took a screenshot and sent it right to them. -MB
@@overthinkingitMentioning DJ Gladde Paling 💯😂
I've never heard gabber pronounced "ha-ber" and it took me far too long to figure out what you were talking about. But this video is absolutely amazing. Seriously good job by everyone who contributed to this. The breakdown of Joost's influences, life and Europapa was phenomenal. You've done such stunning work this year with your videos.
It wasn't that difficult to understand. Honestly one of the better pronunciations of the Dutch 'g'-sound from a foreigner.
@@antonievanbruchem4540THANK YOU! I try.
@antonievanbruchem4540 No, its more that i'm a philistine who has only ever heard it called gabber with a hard G. Haha. This was not an insult but a self own.
Talking about how bad the UK and the NL scores in the ESC ... meanwhile germany: Are we a joke to you?
I know you are half kidding, but it's a good time to mention, Germany got a lot of recognition from Overthinking It this year. The data analysis video, the Stefan Raab video, and Matt Wrathers little intervention in the Croatia video.
@@efi3825 That is true! What made me laugh a bit was the part that the NL once scored 7 Points, which was the worst result since the 70s, if I recall correctly. While germany scored 0 overall points multiple times in the last two decades. But yeah... I'll be mad if NL does not win this year, just as much as I was mad last year when FI didn't win.
@@FlyingTurtleLP True, 7 points already feels like a little accomplishment :P The Netherlands will be in the top 5 this year, I'm pretty sure. At least in the public voting. But winning? That's a tall order. It's hard to tell wh will actually win the whole thing. But the NL is up there, so... good luck ;)
@@efi3825 Usually I tlike a few songs that participate in the ESC, but this year almost all songs are at least decent (when it comes to my taste.). But... It wont take long untill we find out!
Rewatching this is making me so sad that Joost didn't get to perform
This might probably be the single best video you guys have ever done. Great script, great pacing and great depth. This is amazing, please keep it up! :)
Wow... You really did your homework to find out all this details abouth Joost. Thank you. Greetings from the Netherlands 😀
I think the main reason that Europapa is so much better is not even how real or heartfelt it is, it is how well he succeeds in taking you along on his journey. Joost leaves absolutely nothing behind, and his story is both painful and beautiful. In contrast, Olly's entire thing seems to be just 'being gay'. I'm sure being LGBT+ comes with a host of stories and challenges, but the song doesn't really go to any of it. So you listen to Dizzy and it sounds good, and then you listen again knowing the inspiration and it falls flat. Listening to Europapa once will have you go 'wtf', you look at an interview, and you learn that Joost put his heart and soul in there. Then you listen again, and you see his past, present and future, his hopes and dreams, his fears and nightmares, his fond memories and his trauma, his pride and nostalgia, his anger and his joy, it's ALL THERE. It's a gut punch. And all the while, he's partying, like his life depends on it. It probably, unironically, does. Joost, through a million tiny things, invites you to go along with him. Olly, in contrast, wants you to look at him. To me, that contrast is more Dutch than windmills. We don't believe in superstars. Joost is one of us, and it feels like it.
Thank you for putting in so much effort. As a Dutch person living on the other side of the world, the Joost phenomenon had passed me by. In one video, I'm up to speed. Not only that, very appreciative of Joost's art.
Europapa is easily my winner this year. theres so much heart behind but while still being joyous
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Seeing Arjen Lubach an Overthinking It video is so strange. Incredible analysis as always!
The depth of the song and video is insane
Great video, but I can boil it down to one thing; Europapa is an interesting, bold entry with actual depth behind the kitsch, while Dizzy is an inoffensive but utterly standard, dull romantic lurve song we've all heard version of approximately five million times since birth.
OMG i am even more sad after his disqualification. EBU is such a sh*t company
2 minutes in ... OK, I need to get my knitting for THIS EPIC ...!!!!
High praise!
EPIC video! thanks for doing the overthinking so that I don't have to. And thanks for bringing my appreciation for Europapa to a whole deeper level!
This video was amazing. Its obvious that the script took many days and weeks to write. Thank you for making my 2024 eurovision and my day better.
I genuely am lost for words besides F*ck the EBU
This video has been crucial for my understanding of @joostklein1´s art as it is not that easy to get at first if you don´t speak dutch. Thank you so much for this excellent research which made me go down the rabbit hole and become a Joost Klein Superfan. I will actually start learning dutch to be able to understand more. It is an unforgivable shame how the EBU robbed him of his dream of Eurovision. #justiceforjoost #droomgroot
Joost compares his work with icebergs or onions. He makes art for everybody. The people who are curious about the whole iceberg, simply see more and therefore enjoy more. Have a safe journey and lovely Joostday 💙⛴️
It’s the day of Eurovision final 2024 and those dark things you were mentioning in Joosts past now coming to fruition, allegedly… shame we don’t get a conclusion between what Europe would’ve chosen, my hope is that EBU and hopefully Joost/Netherlands can recover from this.
Lovely video, absolutely sold Europapa to whoever is watching this. It is a work of art that works on so many levels masquerading as a children's song. The absolute inversion of all inversions.
Well done, you made me cry and move Netherlands in my top 10 - from 10th to 7th, overtaking my birth country of Lithuania. 😅😭
Luktelk is good fun too, though :)
@@efi3825 It is, but the chorus is disappointingly sleepy. It fits the lyrics, though. 🤷♀
@@efi3825 And much like Europapa, it deals with a painful topic: erectile dysfunction 🥹
@@vladsafronov7642 🤣
The epilogue, in which you mention the tulips, is just so poetic and beautiful
What an excellent video! I knew the backstory to Europapa, being Dutch, despite that I still missed things like the Maastricht vlag, and this whole connection with Dizzy is masterfully laid out.
well this is a bit awkward now
since last week, I have saved Joost's songs and bought tickets to a concert next year. The duality of the music (happy surface level with deep sadness hidden within) hit home for me, and I can tell he is a genuine person with some real artistic talent, and that's why I'm going to keep him on my radar from now on
You're insane in-depth analysis of Europapa (both lyrics, music and video) made me respect it even more. Great video!
I didn’t know this video would make me late for work but it was worth it! I’ve been listening to both songs and Europapa is the one I keep coming back to. Partly bc I get motion sickness watching the Dizzy video. Seriously! But also bc Europapa came sooo out of left field. It’s weird, it’s full of sudden breaks and shifts, the music video is a literal and emotional journey…and it’s ALL IN DUTCH. The only words I understood the first time I heard it were “Stromae Papa Outais.” But I can’t get it out of my head and it makes me want to learn Dutch. I like Olly Alexander and I want him to have all the success in the world, but Joost Klein has that JNSQ (Je ne sais quoi)
I havent seen anyone say this so i will; i really appreciate your effort in pronouncing the dutch words and places so well. You did that very well. Good job!
To me the burning house reminded me of Fullmetal Alchemist when the Elric brothers burn it in order to move on with their lives after their mom died and they failed to revive her. Joost's song is so good and so deep, the first time I heard it the final bit actually blew me away. It's so Dutch, but so personal at the same time. Thank you for looking into it so deeply! Europapa should have been in the finals.
Damn the South African accent you put on for "takin' the piss" was quite impressive
Time frame please? I must have missed that lol
@@crow22zero 5:18 I think it's supposed to be a Cockney or Brummie accent but it sounded more South African or Australian to me lol
We’re Americans - you gotta be a little impressed we even know those are two different places 😂
You definitely did your research! Amazing video! We are super proud of Joost. I genuinely feel like Joost deserves to win when you look at his song in detail. Thank you for explaining this to the world. Wonderful job❤ Whatever the outcome, Joost already won for us Dutchies.
That was the best explanation of Europapa i have heard and the only one i will think off when i hear this song. This really all makes sense.
I know absolutely nothing about Eurovision, so I don’t know why this was recommended to me but I’m kinda glad that it was! This was super interesting!
You should give it a watch! I've never been a big fan of other talent shows like x factor or American idol, but this is so much different and better!
You know, I was watching and enjoying Eurovision since I can remember, never missing a contest for the past 30 years or so. But until the KZhead algorithm showed me your channel, I was never truly IMMERSED in Eurovision, with all the context and real appreciation for the artists behind all those quirky songs. Thank you so much for all this amazing content, I had no idea how much I needed this in my life. ^^
By Swedish standards, 9th place would get you exiled to St Bartholomew 😂😂😂 What I truly love about this channel is that you are Americans who take stuff seriously. You try to pronounce things well, you research stuff properly, and make great analyses. As a result, you also create 💯 jokes like this one. ❤❤
One of my favourite entries which makes me smile, dance and tear up. Besides that, all respect for Joost Klein for making his Eurovision dream become reality and more important dealing with his tragic loss in this way, with a smile and a tear. For me this years entry with the most touching story and will give him my 12 points. Good luck and all the best!
And again, you crushed it, you nailed it, you spectacularly overthought it. Masterfull!
I would even say Joost is Joji disguised as LMFAO. Either way, love the song and rooting for him 🥳🥳 Much love from the US, Joost!!
I Wrote A Song actually peaked at number 30 on its first week of release, a few weeks before the contest. It peaked at number 9 the week after the grand final. Hopefully Olly’s song will chart higher after the grand final.
This is a fair point, thanks.
I was wondering ever since March why you haven’t made a video about Europapa yet, since Joost’s song and its story deserve a platform like yours to really deepdive into the story rather than your average “Ooh, I like this song” reaction video. I can gladly say that this is another outstanding video of yours, and the (to me unexpected) crossover with Dizzy works really well, thank you!
This was such a good video! I thought I probably wouldn't learn anything new about Joost's song since I'm Dutch and have been hearing lots about him, but you managed to peel that tulip bulb and reveal a couple layers I hadn't seen before!
this is going to need a follow up....
JUSTICE FOR JOOST! 💙🇳🇱
thankyou for overthinking this for me, i loved your quips and comparisons. all hail the 2024 eurovision winner!!! (winner of the peoples' hearts)
This has been my favourite Overthinking Episode! Absolutely mind blowing. Well done 😮❤
This video made me very emotional :,) I’ve been following Joost’s life for years & years, if someone in the Netherlands deserves this kind of succes, it’s him 💙
It's already a Big Succes, whether he wins or not.
@@sebastian0107 You're right!
Great video as always. The more I know about Joost the more I want him to win!!! I from the first time I saw the video without understanding a word of Dutch I felt super happy and at the end so sad, that I thought this is genius and genuine. For me there is no other this year than Joost to win ! Greetings from Spain!
I hope Joost sues eurovision for what they did. Embarrassing.
I was not emotionally prepared
i think Europapa will do better with the jurys now you have fully explained its meaning. Proud Dutchy Here! Go Joost GO!
Love this video. I think the comparison is apt, but also feel somewhat bad for Olly Alexander given that very few / almost none of the other acts will have back stories even nearly as deep and raw as Joost's. But that's what you get for being more famous than most. While I do consider Olly's song to be somewhat throwaway pop, it's also a whole lot better than 95% of the stuff that was written "specifically" for Eurovision. So for that reason alone I'm happy that's still not the approach.
Olly was doing reasonably well in the polls until his, rather dismal, Pre-Party Live-Performances. Nice enough as a radio-song, but we do expect a singer to reach the final notes.
@@sebastian0107 Fair. Though I thought his Madrid performance was received pretty well. It was just London where he was really flat and Amsterdam (where his mic failed) that dropped his value. I still think he'll bring a good stage show.
@@grahamhenry6940 Yes, Murphy's Law sure hit him. The song is definitely not bad, the show will be fine, but will he hit those final notes?? Enjoy the Finals!
I don't like Dizzy but if Eurovision just ends up being about back stories it could be like one of the worst game shows. Whether war, heart condition, gender fluidity we've seen it a few times in Eurovision the last decade. The music ends up not being the main thing
Otto Walkes, the original Frisenjung, lol, the one and only. He has been a commedian for decades, composer, actor, musician (though its usually in comedic form) and cartoonist with his Ottifanten. He is from the northern region of Germany. My grandonkel had met him a few times a long time ago when Otto was young, he seemed friendly. My other Onkel had all his records, thats how i got introduced. He was definetely unusual back in the 70s when he started out, ahead of his time, but VERY funny. I STILL have some of his jokes in my head 😅. This video was great, clearly a lot of work and fast turn around 😮
I'm surprised you didn't mention Olly Alexander's acting stint in Skins! Also every interview from Joost makes me tear up. what an icon.
I'm at the point in the video where you said: "The Netherlands send artists the Dutch liked. Or rather, Dutch mom's liked". And you couldn't be more true! The only times I listened to the Toppers or the 3J's or any music in that genre is when my mom put a cd of them on. Which is also likely a reason why they failed.
I'm a Dutch mom, but I like Joost and Euro-pa-pa much more than 3J's or the old guys with Shine. So I'm a little bit offended by that 😏.....but I forgive you! Amazing video!!!!You're spot on about Joost Klein!.❤ By the way: The clip you ad to the video when you mentioned Jangue Macroy with broccome ( I don't know how to wright his name and in the Netherlands, unfortunately for Jangue, we call it the broccoli song) that was not him! You got all the other Dutch artist right. Maybe you can correct that
Ho ho er zijn moeders die daar totaal niet van houden maar liever Joost Klein zien en horen!😂
@@LouiseNLotn Oké, oké. Niet álle moeders. ;) En mogelijk ook niet de moeders van nu. Voor context: mijn moeder is 60.
@@Silverwing28 oké oké jouw moeder is idd véél ouder dan ik, wel 10 jaar😂. Een goede vriendin van mij is 64 en gaat nog naar house feesten. Ik denk gewoon dat er veel verschillende type moeders zijn.😉 Maar ik snap wel wat er bedoeld word hoor!
@@LouiseNLotn Eens, eens :D
Ohhhhh wow........how I wished that this vid would go viral, so that everyone would understand his song, you explaned this song soooooooo well, thank you for that ❤❤❤
same, i’m begging!!
This only made me love Europapa even more. Great work, I really enjoy these videos.
Looking forward for next chapter, seeing how Eurovision actually ended for both of them. thanks for this video, it definitely looks like a fruit of love.
I actually liked That Sounds Good To Me! My 2010 guilty pleasure 😭
That almost felt like Coming Out, didn't it?
Hahaha, me too! I like it very ironically, it's just so camp, but it makes me very happy
@@Tollkirschenkind Since you are all so brave: I admit, I like it too!
I Loved It,, lol