To Beat the iPhone, You Must... Be the iPhone?

2023 ж. 8 Жел.
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  • Thank you for being the only KZheadr on this topic to have an awareness of what happens outside of the US. Also, I live in Japan where iPhones are clearly the dominant smartphone but no one uses iMessage here either - everything is LINE.

    @ogidy001@ogidy00123 күн бұрын
    • You guys use phone in English or your native language... say Japanese?

      @seepranavg@seepranavg22 күн бұрын
    • To my knowledge he's the only KZheadr that nothing advertises through with new releases and such.

      @EikottXD@EikottXD22 күн бұрын
    • line is pretty good, it used to be very popular in my country before Telegram came out

      @NECOdes@NECOdes21 күн бұрын
    • @@seepranavgof course japanese

      @jonathanraynard8572@jonathanraynard857221 күн бұрын
  • It's WILD how much has changed in the 6 days since this was uploaded. Nothing has canceled its iMessage service, and Apple has announced that the iPhone will support RCS next year.

    @mitchellclark2786@mitchellclark278618 күн бұрын
    • They cancelled it really?

      @dustcake2576@dustcake257618 күн бұрын
    • "It's all encrypted" - Marques, buying what he's told by Nothing and Sunbird hook, line, and sinker because they let him announce it exclusively. күн бұрын
    • What's wild is that there are still people who buy Apple products, my MacBook is broken and they say it can't be repaired, when the warranty runs out you spend a lot of money on repairs, everything has to be original!!! no wonder their shares are worth 3 trillion dollars!!!!

      @khoirulanam9141@khoirulanam914117 күн бұрын
  • I was in Uni in 2016, we started with maybe 30% of the people with mac. By the time we were in our 4th year there was about 85%+ macs. It is quite insane how that goes. This is in Australia as well, windows laptop is essentially for uni students who had no job and couldn't afford to buy their own mac. I have a sister and she literally bought a refurbished mac in 9th grade for like half the price just to fit in with her classmates. It is insane how much of a chokehold that Apple has on the youth.

    @KalStormborn@KalStormborn24 күн бұрын
    • I agree with iPhones getting hyped up just cause of the necessary imessage and facetime in the US but macs are a real good product and is leaps ahead the windows competition… apple’s ubiquity with iPhones is not good but macs are completely fine .. offers solid build - chips - support- power everything…

      @marksman6803@marksman680323 күн бұрын
    • At Swinburne in Melbourne, my class mates had to ditch their Macs because most of the Engineering programs didn't run on MacOS. Depends on what discipline and Uni you are at. But I'd imagine anything that isn't Engineering is Apple central these days.

      @SaadKidwai@SaadKidwai23 күн бұрын
    • The thing is, if you're not in a specialized field like Engineering, Architecture, and others that require Laptops with powerful GPU's, then Macbooks are the way to go. In particular, the M1 to M3 series of Macs are easily the best laptops I've ever used for regular daily activities. They have huge bateries--literally lasts 18 hours--and the screen along with the build quality are top notch. For all the wrong things Apple has done, Macbooks are not one of them.

      @morganadaltress9036@morganadaltress903623 күн бұрын
    • ​​@@SaadKidwai Not quite right actually, especially in SE Asia, as an example. Macs are only considered to be "for the rich" only, and almost everyone here uses Windows computers, as they're cheaper and more accessible.

      @hoadaovakhoangtroi@hoadaovakhoangtroi23 күн бұрын
    • 6:08 , ooh there comes the end to Nothing chat in the US ... Can you relate ?

      @star_editz@star_editz23 күн бұрын
  • Quite interesting take, bit different from other videos but really enjoy this. In France we don’t feel that much pressure, at least in a non-school environment. But even tho the market share is steadily growing, getting rid of the iPhone mini seems like a counter move to get people in at a lower cost before they go for the bigger ones after being hooked on the ecosystem and pair validation.

    @oliverdraft@oliverdraft23 күн бұрын
    • school environment feels a bit different though, when i was studying in france, having a girlfriend and not iMessage felt like i was making it inconvenient for her. we had to text through insta or snapchat but it definitely isn't as practical.

      @meowsarah_@meowsarah_6 күн бұрын
  • Great video, tackling a real anti-trust issue. I have a teenage daughter who switched to a cheaper, better Android phone from an iPhone X. She's been on Android for just 2 years but wants to switch back because all her friends are on iPhones and she can't deal with the exclusion anymore. A sad state of affairs.

    @harenk@harenk24 күн бұрын
    • My man I know it's annoying but if you can, get her that iPhone. Teenagers have enough issues already 😅

      @rereout3415@rereout341524 күн бұрын
    • Cheaper better android? Bro eBay. Get a iPhone 14 pro max for the same price as your cheaper android. It’s faster, safer, more secure, and a higher quality phone.

      @lilimccoy6194@lilimccoy619424 күн бұрын
    • have her get beeper, it's similar and you can do imessage on android, I use that as a teenager, otherwise she can probably trade it for a good value with a carier

      @CameronSend@CameronSend23 күн бұрын
  • Thank you for highlighting the security and privacy concern. Sunbird themselves weren't really forthcoming on _how_ their product would work. So thank you for shedding some light on the subject.

    @MustachedMovieMan@MustachedMovieMan16 күн бұрын
  • What’s weird is that Japan has a surprisingly high iPhone rate and people buy iPhones because they’re iPhones but none of them use FaceTime or iMessage and use some third party apps.

    @OrangestarLover@OrangestarLover25 күн бұрын
    • Even Korea and China has huge number of iPhones surprisingly.

      @ayushj6216@ayushj621625 күн бұрын
    • That's normal. Facetime and iMessage is primarily used in US. Like my whole family uses iPhone, talk about 30+ iPhones across ages but all of us uses Whatsapp instead.

      @AdmiralFloof@AdmiralFloof25 күн бұрын
    • TBH that's similar to Europe. I don't know many people that use iMessage or FaceTime over things like WhatsApp, snapchat, messenger etc.

      @CalumRaasay@CalumRaasay25 күн бұрын
    • lowkey imessage kinda sucks in comparison of third party apps like whatsapp

      @shimmya@shimmya25 күн бұрын
  • Had my Nothing Phone 1 since release, and for me personally it's been one of the best phones I've had. Cheap and sleek, and since I only really use my phone for chatting and calls the fact that it isn't high-range in terms of specs doesn't matter to me. This feature in particular won't affect me, but I'm sure many will be happy with it.

    @rasmuseriksson6202@rasmuseriksson620224 күн бұрын
    • nah, android will always be a trash OS

      @cosmicreaverkassadin1143@cosmicreaverkassadin114323 күн бұрын
    • Cheap? Isn't it like 800 bucks

      @nubeZamurai-mh9pq@nubeZamurai-mh9pq23 күн бұрын
    • @@cosmicreaverkassadin1143 You misspelled ios.

      @b.bluebriz6147@b.bluebriz614723 күн бұрын
    • @@cosmicreaverkassadin1143android is trash? That’s like saying windows is trash compared to Mac OS. They’re different.

      @MangoSkinner@MangoSkinner23 күн бұрын
  • My phone is less than a year old so I won't be switching anytime soon but if this were out when I was deciding on my current phone, I would have picked it. The iMessage pressure is very real for me as an 18 year old despite the fact that I have been a committed android user for many years (after switching over). I wish the nothing phone had Apple's photo sharing capabilities though because my whole family uses that

    @yert16571@yert1657124 күн бұрын
  • Interesting, an open source self hosted solution would be nice. I would be happy to put an old mac mini to use as a home server running the routing server. Edit: I stand corrected - there is airmessage which does just that.

    @jdmji@jdmji23 күн бұрын
  • You said that discussing why Apple should stop using unencrypted SMS for iPhone non-iPhone message traffic is another story for another day. I really hope you tackle that topic soon, because I think that, more than anything else, this angle is most likely to move the stalemate we're in. Apple needs to be called out for their hypocrisy on this.

    @anirbahn@anirbahn24 күн бұрын
    • MKBHD won't badmouth apple, it's too risky and he can't afford to be blacklisted for sake of his youtube channel. This is the reason a lot of KZheadrs who have a large audience are terrified of talking shit let alone being frank when it comes to Apple products.

      @Flash363@Flash36323 күн бұрын
    • hypocrisy? please explain

      @rodrigojds@rodrigojds23 күн бұрын
    • @@Flash363 yes of course. that's the only explanation as to why people won't say anything bad about apple right? It's not because apple releases great devices and services but only because the youtubers will get blacklisted. naturally.

      @rodrigojds@rodrigojds23 күн бұрын
    • Apple just stated they will be support RCS next year.

      @GlobalWave1@GlobalWave122 күн бұрын
  • I've been in sunbird ever since Even an alpha and beta 🤣, so when I first noticed the animations of the nothing chats, I instantly knew sunbird had to do with this. 😭 Definitely need to be worked on in both chats. But the future is hopeful!

    @RainTubeVideos@RainTubeVideos23 күн бұрын
  • It's crazy to me how the US is so deep into the Apple ecosystem and how it's virtually impossible to live with an Android phone because everyone uses the Apple messaging apps (iMessage, FaceTime, etc) In Europe, whether you have an iPhone or an Android, everyone just uses third party apps like whatsapp so you can pick either phone and you'll be fine

    @ramon475@ramon47525 күн бұрын
    • And I absolutely hate that, how everyone here in the US uses the iPhone exclusively. It’s so crazy to me. There are SO many interesting/cool phones out there that no one is experiencing because of this weird spell Apple has over so many people. I have an IPhone currently because everyone else does 🤦🏽‍♂️ But once the S24 Ultra drops, I’m on to that and not coming back

      @kingjames6731@kingjames673125 күн бұрын
    • ​@@kingjames6731even the S23 Ultra is leagues beyond the current iPhones. S24 will make the gap even bigger

      @zaka2630@zaka263024 күн бұрын
    • Just to temper the dialog here, I live in the US and happily use a Pixel 8 Pro. I don't have any issues and rarely if ever get blue bubble shade. 49% is a huge market share for one company, but they don't even have a technical majority much less a practical one.

      @DanKaschel@DanKaschel24 күн бұрын
    • @@DanKaschel How old are you if you don't mind me asking? He said in the video 87% of teenagers use iPhones so obviously if you aren't a teenager 1. there is less pressure and 2. If so many teenagers use iPhones that would mean the percentages for the remaining population flip quite a bit since overall 51% use Android meaning adults favor Androids quite heavily to balance out the stats.

      @dayko.@dayko.24 күн бұрын
  • What I find interesting to this, in my personal anecdote, is that when I was able to start working on my own and everything, I ended up getting an Android phone (LG Aristo 2) because beforehand, I had a budget Android phone so it was able to work seamlessly with all of my Google things, but I also was just always more interested in Android phones growing up. I never had felt like I needed an iPhone, because hey, we're all already using Messenger or Discord and many of the people I was around didn't even have an iPhone anyways. So I wonder if there's specific places in the US where people are just more brand-loyal to Apple, considering that here in Minnesota, even older people seem to use either-or. The family I talk to uses Android, and so do many of my friends so even if I weren't on Discord, it would still be more annoying for me to use an iPhone anyways.

    @advokatie@advokatie23 күн бұрын
    • For me personally, iPhone was always going to be the brand I would buy, and that’s because of the iPod. Back in the days of mp3 players, Apple was making by far the best music players, and the competition wasn’t even close. They basically perfected the UI on their devices, so iPods were the standard when it came to portable music. I ended up getting an iPod nano, and used it for a long time. When came the time to buy my first phone, the natural progression was to get an iPhone. I have a feeling this is the case for a lot of people.

      @figeon@figeon20 күн бұрын
  • I feel like the most problematic part for a Nothing user like me would be that they're only launching it for the Nothing Phone 2. Like, why are they not allowing Nothing Phone 1 users to have this app? Is it because the Phone 2 is a premium phone or is it because they just can't be bothered to do it for the older models. If the latter is true, then I'm worried.

    @NikhilJRadhesh@NikhilJRadhesh24 күн бұрын
    • Probably just a timed exclusive for it as it's in beta, but it's just using Sunbird underneath which is in closed beta with a waiting list so you can register yourself on that or wait for it to come out.

      @Rayjacker@Rayjacker23 күн бұрын
    • Probably because there are costs to run those mac mini servers. So this nothing chat app is only profitable when it can attract people to buy their new phones. If people use the app on the old devices they are just losing money.

      @scottliu4987@scottliu498722 күн бұрын
  • I find the whole iMessage thing so weird. In the UK majority of people have iPhones. Most of the people I know have an iPhone, but I have NEVER been in a iMessage group chat. We use WhatsApp or Snapchat by default. I think we do this because eventually you’re going to want to add someone to the chat that doesn’t have an iPhone.

    @GolfWangMedia-incorporated@GolfWangMedia-incorporated23 күн бұрын
    • I find the whole WhatsApp thing so weird

      @p4olom@p4olom19 күн бұрын
    • @@p4olom That’s honestly so great to know 👍

      @GolfWangMedia-incorporated@GolfWangMedia-incorporated19 күн бұрын
  • Love the videos ✨ I think what we miss for Android to shine over Apple is one brand creating their own ecosystem like Apple do. Apple beats others by having a high interconnectivity between all their devices out of the box and a bunch a nice features thanks to the Apple ID. I wish an Android brand would do the same

    @skybluFr@skybluFr24 күн бұрын
    • Try samsung their interconnectivity is just as if not better than apples once you figure out how to use it

      @Zephero@Zephero22 күн бұрын
    • If the Windows Phone had succeeded, they could've done it. But they didn't, and likely never will.

      @usmanqureshi8941@usmanqureshi894122 күн бұрын
    • More walled gardens? Thanks but no thanks. Google and MIcrosoft/others should cooperate to make Android more integrated with Windows/Linux.

      @rexsceleratorum1632@rexsceleratorum163220 күн бұрын
  • Yesterday they announced that Sunbird is shutting down for security concerns. I am pretty sure that this video had a big impact on them

    @Goldiebike@Goldiebike17 күн бұрын
  • In Europe even if you have an iPhone, you simply use WhatsApp. It's almost rude to initiate a discussion with someone you meet for the first time using Apple messages which may or may not revert to SMS depending on the other person's device. You simply don't do it. The fact that iMessage and FaceTime are considered 'lock-in' cultural phenomena in the US is the most head-scratching thing for us.

    @Starboy-_-@Starboy-_-25 күн бұрын
    • Let's build a wall such that >50% of smartphone users can't access our world, instead of using the same-quality, free, widely available alternative!

      @Onaterdem@Onaterdem25 күн бұрын
    • it's not only Europe. this is the way it is in most of the world.

      @agspr@agspr25 күн бұрын
    • True, though I will instantly switch to Facetime if i get the chance. Just so much more crisp.

      @Hielkez@Hielkez25 күн бұрын
    • have you tried facetime? the quality beats whatsapp video call by miles.

      @SsingAhh@SsingAhh25 күн бұрын
    • I take it as an insult when someone messages me on what’s app. Facebook owns that system and actively uses it to gather information on users.

      @somethingsomethingsomethingdar@somethingsomethingsomethingdar25 күн бұрын
  • I'm excited for this. I've been reluctant to upgrade my iPhone 12 mini because each subsequent release has been the same phone. But I've also wanted to experiment with new phones but my girlfriend, family, and friends mostly all have iPhones. I might consider this once they sort out the security risks. I'm in no rush to replace my 12 mini it works just fine.

    @chad9971@chad997124 күн бұрын
    • They can't sort out the security risk. It's an inherent problem as long as Apple doesn't open up.

      @hebestreitfan6973@hebestreitfan697322 күн бұрын
    • Bro why are you so unsatisfied with the 12 mini i have friends who still use iPhone 7 Keep the 12mini for atleast 2-3 more years and don’t waste ur money getting a new iPhone

      @char_ytt@char_ytt22 күн бұрын
    • @@char_ytt you clearly didn’t read my full comment.

      @chad9971@chad997122 күн бұрын
    • @@hebestreitfan6973 Why? Server farms are not inherently unsecure.

      @rexsceleratorum1632@rexsceleratorum163220 күн бұрын
  • That's going to change anyway because the European Union is going to force those big companies to offer interoperability so that instant messaging providers need to be able to talk with each other. I am not sure what that means in terms of supported features but for simple media and text messages there are going to break some walls for sure

    @skandyrocks@skandyrocks24 күн бұрын
    • And yesterday Apple announced it's adding RCS support in 2024! Long live EU regulations ❤

      @earthling_parth@earthling_parth22 күн бұрын
    • I’m still sticking with my Apple products though.

      @TravelerVolkriin@TravelerVolkriin16 күн бұрын
    • @@TravelerVolkriinWho cares?

      @skandyrocks@skandyrocks16 күн бұрын
  • I look at this no differently than a service like GeForce now or any streaming service. Most things we do in our daily lives revolve around putting our personal data on a server somewhere that we can't touch or see 👍

    @davidgregory8920@davidgregory892022 күн бұрын
  • I could imagine Apple saying something about terms of service to shut it down. I think it's silly that there isn't an iMessage app for Android, but from Apple's point of view there's no benefit for them to do that. I also understand Apple's reason for not including RCS. You mention that Apple should support it so that they can support encryption from device to device, but isn't that optional? So if the carrier doesn't support it, you don't get it. And if you're a user expecting it to be encrypted, the mix of optional features means you don't know what to expect when you use the app. Maybe an RCS2 that mandates support for the same standards as iMessage would be adopted by Apple, but then again Apple isn't always open to industry standards. But then again, maybe Qi2 may be a indicator of Apple being a little more open. Probably not though...

    @StevenConning@StevenConning24 күн бұрын
  • Honestly, I was in the market for this feature for years. I’m 29, and just recently bought my first IPhone in large part because of how convenient IMessage is. But after using it for almost a year now, I was seriously considering switching back to Android phone. Well, this just made the decision so much easier!

    @maksymiliianlukasevych8442@maksymiliianlukasevych844217 күн бұрын
    • Sunbird is shutting down “temporarily”. I think you should stick to iOS, since that imessage on android thing is not really safe.

      @Niraloks@Niraloks16 күн бұрын
  • As a college student in the US, the analysis of the iPhone effect is right on. Not having an iPhone is almost a sin to our generation. You’ll be left out, intentionally or unintentionally.

    @davis6123@davis612325 күн бұрын
    • Too. In my region. People buy iPhone, because it's just an iPhone

      @Abdi_Akhmet@Abdi_Akhmet25 күн бұрын
    • Same here in the UK. There is not as much *phone discrimination* but the iphoje usage is probably like 80%

      @Grass_Muncher@Grass_Muncher25 күн бұрын
    • What I dont understand is... whats so wrong with that? If you are mentally grown up enough you wont care about being left out because fake friends want you to have blue bubbles. Plus why do people hate on iPhones? Because they are the apex phone the best. Simply put.

      @hankagura5355@hankagura535525 күн бұрын
    • @@hankagura5355 Why do iPhone users hate android users? Because they are the apex phones the best. Simply put.

      @Raunhofer@Raunhofer25 күн бұрын
    • I think it's less about hating on them and more that they are so expensive. Not everyone can afford an iPhone. But heck, not everyone wants an iPhone either. But it would be nice to have an android phone that worked as well with iPhones and iPhones work with iPhones

      @dansgoingcrazy@dansgoingcrazy25 күн бұрын
  • The idea of using a platform-specific messaging app in a world that contains equally good non-platform-specific messaging apps honestly blows my mind. Not an issue I've ever found in the UK, with my friends and family at least.

    @gh0st_itm@gh0st_itm24 күн бұрын
  • Very intriguing video. I myself have never really been super concerned about security risks as a whole (I probably should be a bit more), but the signing in on another device that is not in front of me is a line I cannot bring myself to cross. I am part of the 87% statistic you cited. I am firmly an Apple user, and do not see myself flipping. However, what I could see myself doing in the future when I can afford it, is doing both. While the Nothing phone seems interesting, I see myself opting for the Apple ecosystem for most usage, but having Google products (perhaps the Google Pixel, which seems promising) for the features Apple doesn't offer. Each ecosystem has its flaws, drawbacks, and benefits, and dipping into each resolves this issue. That's my take. Curious about other people. 👍

    @worr04@worr0423 күн бұрын
    • Can't you just make a new and disposable Apple ID for that?

      @rexsceleratorum1632@rexsceleratorum163221 күн бұрын
    • @@rexsceleratorum1632 I never though about that. Maybe???

      @worr04@worr0420 күн бұрын
  • My thoughts are that this feature is a *trainwreck* and they pulled it after 24 hours. Not only is it a security nightmare in theory, it was actually implemented the worst possible way in practice. 'Nothing' is criminally careless with security and you should never trust them with your data.

    @francbelge@francbelge18 күн бұрын
    • If you are on the internet, you have no protection over your data. Anyone can take your data and then give it to anyone else. So security shouldn't be the highest priority unless you want to run pure Linux.

      @Riyozsu@Riyozsu17 күн бұрын
  • I guess a technically inclined person could run software on their own (or rented-in-the-cloud) Mac to proxy imessage (David mentioned one such example in the last studio desk tour) - but another huge hurdle that requires lots of effort on both the android and iphone is an airdrop replacement. Sharing pictures after an event without having to load a messaging or email app is huge in some countries.

    @EquatorialVillager@EquatorialVillager23 күн бұрын
  • As someone who now has a nothing phone 2 I find this whole thing funny, even though I don't plan on using such chat features. Most people I know either use messenger or just don't seem to care enough about text bubble colour.

    @buggiesindustries7550@buggiesindustries755023 күн бұрын
  • As a teenager myself, I constantly have to defend my pixel 7 pro against all my iPhone user friends. And the weird thing is that almost all of them think Samsungs are the only androids. Gotta give props to Apple though, they got them early, and they got them good.

    @shuban863@shuban86325 күн бұрын
    • I love how mega corporations like Apple engineer what's cool and what's not in the US

      @_sawbonz_@_sawbonz_25 күн бұрын
    • That is sad.

      @person.w9780@person.w978025 күн бұрын
    • ur broke!😂

      @cadenmam3853@cadenmam385325 күн бұрын
    • ​@cadenmam3853 - says little timmy with his 110 dollar iphone 7

      @tofifichannel7199@tofifichannel719925 күн бұрын
    • And then gouge them for memory for ever after. That was what drove me away from iPhones a decade ago (though I am still an Apple laptop user) and it looks like they still do it. It felt like an abusive relationship. Like: hot guy, but mean. Not worth having, ultimately.

      @florabritannica@florabritannica25 күн бұрын
  • There have been legislative proposals (most notably in the EU) to force tech giants to make their messenger apps technologically compatible. I expect this to be the case sooner rather than later.

    @BerendNoe@BerendNoe24 күн бұрын
    • If only in the US as well 😢

      @wrath2008@wrath200818 күн бұрын
  • It’s nice and all for those that care about blue vs green bubbles but they are still missing the FaceTime calls all these teens use over standard calls. Hopefully this forces Apple’s hand to make a app for other devices

    @somin3d1080p@somin3d1080p24 күн бұрын
  • Iphone as a status symbol is why users in India also buy it like crazy, as was the case with Blackberry. However, actual users rarely shift to Android because over a period of time, they have bought other Apple products too.

    @1986vishalsah@1986vishalsah23 күн бұрын
  • Thanks Carl Pei, Finally someone thought and took action about apple's disappointing and aggressive manner of keeping people inside apple ecosystem, I am sure the brilliant engineers in nothing will find a way to patch the security issues as well. Love Nothing they sure sound like a sound of change in this boring and brutal tech community.

    @rezamazaheri6469@rezamazaheri646924 күн бұрын
    • Overrated phone, still trash though

      @cosmicreaverkassadin1143@cosmicreaverkassadin114323 күн бұрын
  • I live in australia, originally from nz and work in a tech store. The stress like you said surrounding the iPhone, owning an iPhone etc, its genuinely ridiculous. Ive had people telling me they're cronically ill, that the phone will outlast them and they still "need" one. Ive had teenagers stomp their feet, throw their phone's, get forcibly removed from our shop over iphones. Ive had elderly people (this one fucking infuriates me) come into store and be harrassed by their children to buy an iphone, using their pension money and fucking buying this little piece of machinery so they can fit in with their kids, only to come back into my store crying because they dont know how to use it and arent receiving help, also if you can clone the serial numbers so we can fix these fucking things get at me 😂 im not paying 2k for the software from apple. Android users on the other hand, fucking bliss. Only have a handful of issues as opposed to nearly 8 hours worth of headaches from iphones and apple product in general. Ive owned both apple and android over the last 3 years, and i think i used my iphone for around 2 months before i returned it to its rightful place, the fucking box it came in 😂

    @bigt0719@bigt071922 күн бұрын
  • I'm getting the "Apple suing the developers of this app" vibes already

    @_zaverus@_zaverus25 күн бұрын
    • same here

      @cookiekrumel@cookiekrumel25 күн бұрын
    • They will stop it one way or another

      @HypeCole@HypeCole25 күн бұрын
    • Why the hell aint anybody talkin about this

      @viralpakistanivideos.1079@viralpakistanivideos.107925 күн бұрын
    • @@HypeCole they probably will just use security as a reason to shut it down

      @_zaverus@_zaverus25 күн бұрын
    • They'll be going after three if them, now that I think about it: 1. Sunbird (which I am a testor for). 2. AirMessage 3. Beeper

      @TrentonMatthews@TrentonMatthews25 күн бұрын
  • For now, Nothing is still a rather small company, so I doubt apple will go after them. But imagine if Samsung went out with this feature on all their galaxy phones. Oh boy, I can see some decade long lawsuits against each other going on.

    @josuad6890@josuad689024 күн бұрын
  • Living in Australia, never had any of these issues. I feel it’s pretty balanced between iPhone and Android usage amongst all age groups.

    @Dang00TheAlienIAmTheRealOne@Dang00TheAlienIAmTheRealOne24 күн бұрын
    • Agreed. Same here. I gave it a go back in the 3GS days.. and as I needed iTunes to copy music etc onto it.. I gave up pretty quick.. Never looked back

      @daft009@daft00924 күн бұрын
    • Iphone for women. Android for men

      @masih9595@masih95956 күн бұрын
  • Not 100%, but I believe that the reason Sunbird is so exclusive is because it is functioning on Apple APIs. Apple, as far as I know, can discontinue API access to whomever they choose. Making this whole thing kind of seem like a temporary fix to a long-term issue of "green-text discrimination." Not saying they will 100%, but anything this uncertain seems like a bad reason to invest in a Nothing device.

    @spenn26@spenn2623 күн бұрын
    • Or they have a limited number of Mac's to go around

      @blisphul8084@blisphul808422 күн бұрын
  • It’s kinda got to the point where a phone is it’s own ecosystem by itself so I’m not too concerned about cross platform anything. The only apple things I have are an iPhone and an iPad because it’s kinda hard to argue against how solid their platforms are. I’d love to switch to google but I just don’t have a good enough reason to.

    @Clynikal@Clynikal23 күн бұрын
  • I think Marques is going to have to issue a retraction/clarification here, given the horrific security issues that have been uncovered regarding the Nothing Chat app…

    @philiptaylor2366@philiptaylor236617 күн бұрын
    • To be fair, MKBHD indeed has said there are security concerns and red flags to use an apple account for this... But yeah it would be good if there is a clarification video for the same...

      @harishe6069@harishe606916 күн бұрын
    • @@harishe6069 I believe he only said that just so people can't attack him on it later. He can be all "oh, well, I DID SAY there are concerns." Those concerns, however, didn't stop him from shilling for Nothing. Any person with basic understanding of tech and what Nothing tried to do would tell you it's a bad idea.

      @JohnScigulinsky@JohnScigulinsky15 күн бұрын
    • @@JohnScigulinsky 💯!!

      @agentsarcas6891@agentsarcas689113 күн бұрын
  • The issue is _Status driven mindset_ (My region India, it's 1000%) Over the years Apple took advantage of that. Apple's marketing screams "if you don't buy an iPhone you're missing something in life". Actually it's not even Apples fault , it's how the human society is and how much importance is given to materialistic things.

    @lavatr8322@lavatr832224 күн бұрын
    • Do you guys even have money for iPhones in India

      @Tetrathegod@Tetrathegod24 күн бұрын
    • ​@@TetrathegodIndia is 5th largest economy what was you thinking when writing this 🤡

      @x3noz649@x3noz64924 күн бұрын
    • @@Tetrathegod actually no, well you're not entirely wrong. A lot of people buy iPhones on something called "No cost EMI" where they get an initial loan to purchase the device and basically pay back the bank without interest over the next 6 months. It's both, a blessing and a curse.

      @yogensachdev@yogensachdev24 күн бұрын
    • @@yogensachdev That's also how many people buy their iPhones from phone carriers in the US. They are also technically financing but from a carrier, not a bank. Its a curse when people get into status games and ruin themselves financially. I saved up for my iPhone 11 and bought it outright. Serves me well, and integrates with my Mac, apple TV and iPad. I financed my Mac and my iPad, and as a designer this has been a game changer for my business.

      @VanshBhatnagar-tk1pk@VanshBhatnagar-tk1pk24 күн бұрын
    • @@Tetrathegod Actually some of us actually have money to buy Apple stuff easily but you are right that almost like 70% of theses apple users are ones who just got it from their relatives living in developed countries and others just take "no cost EMIs" and take a loan. For clarification I own iPhone, MBP and other apple ecosystem.

      @DilpreetSinghAulakh@DilpreetSinghAulakh24 күн бұрын
  • Blue bubbles has worked great for me. I had a Mac mini as an old server and it works great. Only downside is it doesn't work with Android Auto while I'm driving.

    @trevorobier5549@trevorobier554923 күн бұрын
  • The fact that the Mac Mini in the cloud has access to my messages is a huge security concern. It not only means that all my chats can be read by that machine, it also compromises all of my friends as well (along with the media that they share). More often than not, these cloud machines are shared, meaning that one Mac Mini is hosting multiple iCloud accounts. I personally can't discount this risk.

    @ashn@ashn24 күн бұрын
    • Couldn't they just route it from a local device you own? So if you happen to have any apple device, you can setup that device to do the same instead. Or maybe even a VM if possible.

      @rep-vile@rep-vile24 күн бұрын
    • I mean your icloud info is being held on some apple server somewhere alongside all other apple users... I don't see how this is that much different.

      @logbeastie@logbeastie23 күн бұрын
    • Because it’s encrypted on device and apple only has the encrypted data. It’s then decrypted on the receivers device. In this case, the receivers device is Nothing’s cloud iMac, thus they have all your data unencrypted

      @vbtwo31984@vbtwo3198423 күн бұрын
    • Honest question tho, do you guys got any video to explain why I need to keep my chat "data" private? Besides for targeting advert of course because the only way to avoid it is just stay off the internet.

      @fahmidaisy9322@fahmidaisy932223 күн бұрын
  • I want to switch over to the Nothing Phone 2 from the iPhone 14, I really do. The only thing stopping me switching back to Android is how my wife and i rely on certain Apple features. We both use the iCloud shared album feature (much better than Google Drive/Photos since these albums don't consume iCloud storage space) and the Airdrop feature extensively. Other than that, that's pretty much it xD.

    @MyNoobie123@MyNoobie12323 күн бұрын
  • wow. I have been an apple user since the the iphone 0.7 (after 3GS, switched to the motorola Atrix for the fingerprint scanner, then back to iphone 4). I think my next phone will be a Nothing 2. If they can figure out Universal Clipboard, then it literally becomes a no-brainer

    @leviof1996@leviof199624 күн бұрын
  • i think this is a great idea, sucks apple will never open up the imessage platform as an individual app for other phones though that would stop people from buying iphones and explore other tech while keeping their bubbles

    @pekomsmink@pekomsmink22 күн бұрын
  • After seeing this video, I’m really not surprised anymore that the US still relies so much on SMS and MMS if this is the only way to communicate with iPhone users from an Android phone. For me, it’s very common to have multiple messenger apps installed, but even here in Europe, many people are not willing to use something other than WhatsApp 😂

    @Backfisch64@Backfisch6425 күн бұрын
    • Signal > WhatsApp > SMS

      @NewDay14@NewDay1425 күн бұрын
    • Telegram..

      @b0nsta@b0nsta25 күн бұрын
    • @@NewDay14Why do people use signal? Looks goofy

      @justinhadasch@justinhadasch25 күн бұрын
  • I remember when Pebble's CEO tried to downplay the Apple Watch, same energy as the Nothing Phone CEO downplaying Apple's expected reaction to their workaround. If I were a shareholder I'd be holding my breath.

    @EXL714@EXL71424 күн бұрын
  • Well, if you are young and you want to be a part of the 'group' (or you better should be), then an iPhone is the device which really counts. In this case a Nothing Phone looks like a 'wanna be' iPhone. I'm living in Europe and as mentioned in the video we are using WhatsApp or other famous chat-tools. We often don't like ecosystems which are like walled gardens.

    @stefandeichsel4939@stefandeichsel493924 күн бұрын
  • It would probably be easier for Apple (and preferable from Apple's POV) to release Messages for Android than it would to integrate RCS into Messages.

    @HalfLapJoint@HalfLapJoint23 күн бұрын
  • as someone who basically has this system set up, but it's self hosted (mac mini sitting in a box in the corner of my bedroom right now), I can not recommend it enough. It's an amazing system, and it practically never breaks

    @Nony-XxGirl21@Nony-XxGirl2124 күн бұрын
  • I live in Australia where iPhone popularity is huge, but the green bubble thing is not something I ever hear about, people use whatsapp, FB messenger, even instagram messaging for cross platform communication. Seems like a dumb problem peculiar to the States.

    @consciously73@consciously7318 күн бұрын
  • Have a strong feeling that Apple will easily place some security measures to prevent them from being able to do this in the future, and possibly sue Sunbird/Nothing. Even Apple requiring face/touch ID per user session would cause the entire infrastructure to crumble. As Marques mentioned, the security implications are also huge. Not a great idea to do this from the Nothing team in my opinion. If I were the CEO, I would've focused on making it the smartphone of choice in the Asian markets, which Apple seems to have less of a hold on.

    @perrym8048@perrym804825 күн бұрын
    • absolutely....pushing yourself forcibly by imitating a blue skin as nothing chat is not the solution we consumers are looking for!...nothing should not focus on usa now...let them come to nothing...meanwhile they can keep improving their cameras- which are not good as per the money they charge

      @DemonSlayer-vh8uy@DemonSlayer-vh8uy25 күн бұрын
    • tbh though I dont think apple is legally able to do anything much since its actually running on a mac server in the backend

      @drishalballaney6590@drishalballaney659025 күн бұрын
    • @@DemonSlayer-vh8uyso you are basically promoting monopoly

      @roshangogu2670@roshangogu267025 күн бұрын
    • Trying to get large market share of an Android phone in the US is as much a fool’s errand as trying to get Nintendo users to buy your console because it has a game that’s kind of like Mario

      @alvareo92@alvareo9225 күн бұрын
  • The nothing phone is so good, i think ill switch to it, but it’ll take some time because i have to make sure i dont missout on a lot of features like: the synchronisation between devices being so smooth, and the hardware too. Because it would mean changing watch, phone, earpod…not really a big deal but is that combo strong at nothing? Dont really know yet. But this brand is great !!!

    @gedoumazoutsuki@gedoumazoutsuki24 күн бұрын
    • you can still use iphone earbuds on any android phone

      @AMP_PLUS@AMP_PLUS21 күн бұрын
  • I'd love to hear your thoughts on the Humane AI Pin. Personally, I think it looks like an interesting concept but... ultimately pointless?

    @funhaus4871@funhaus487124 күн бұрын
    • For disabled people it’s a dream

      @char_ytt@char_ytt22 күн бұрын
  • iPhone sales are slowly increasing because people are being bullied into switching. A lot of people I know switched to apple because their family or friends have iPhones and they got tired of hearing the complaints about pictures being blurry or group texts not working. This is also why you see a lot of people with both phones

    @Thelounge3k@Thelounge3k20 күн бұрын
  • I can understand the benefit of using android devices because of the variety of customization, better specs and way more choices and features. But I use the iPhone because it simply works seamlessly with my other Apple devices. Zero issues with Apple in my experience that weren’t user induced.

    @bristolbb2055@bristolbb205524 күн бұрын
  • Its a bold gamble, but I don't know how well it will pan out once Sunbird comes out of beta and releases for the public. Then every Android will have access to iMessage (albeit with said caveats).

    @MustachedMovieMan@MustachedMovieMan16 күн бұрын
  • 5:54 Props to Marques for calling out the potential security concerns, despite being quite close to Carl Pei and Nothing

    @TanayGhose@TanayGhose25 күн бұрын
    • That’s his job, if he indeed considers himself a responsible influencer

      @tejaswiguddu@tejaswiguddu25 күн бұрын
    • In my view he doesn’t highlight just how significant the risk is. In my view that takes Nothing out of the running for deserving any business from anybody under any circumstance. And all regulatory bodies should prevent requesting credentials in this way.

      @theherk@theherk25 күн бұрын
    • props for doing what you are supposed to do?

      @verycalmgamer4090@verycalmgamer409025 күн бұрын
    • ​@@theherkI understand how you think, but you're still only logging into an encrypted server farm, so it's not like anyone could go into sunbirds office and access your messages. Also did you see the wall of Terms and Conditions before being able to log in? Bet it stands there too.

      @hypernovafx@hypernovafx25 күн бұрын
  • I would say it's a huge W for me, being able to use Android without worries🗿 But something that scares me is that iPhone have become quite cheap, cheaper than the equivalent Android phones in my countrt🗿

    @nordlyssrlys6945@nordlyssrlys694524 күн бұрын
  • Well I have used nothing phone 1 and 2 both..... They are just like other android phones of the segment..... Well didn't feel anything much different.... I think it's the hype that the company has created for itself making their sales go lit 🔥

    @anubhavrathore47@anubhavrathore4724 күн бұрын
  • The thing about "just use WhatsApp" is that it's owned by Meta / Facebook and a lot of Americans I know are extremely wary of Meta's data handling and privacy practices. Plus, the aesthetic design of WhatsApp leaves a lot to be desired, even if the audio message design is top-notch.

    @apertureinfog@apertureinfog23 күн бұрын
    • It's rude not to have Signal on your phone 😅

      @virupakshawalla5734@virupakshawalla573422 күн бұрын
    • fair but how is apple any better? irs a closed source. you dont know what they do with your data

      @agentsarcas6891@agentsarcas689121 күн бұрын
    • not every apple user having tiktok and instagram

      @AMP_PLUS@AMP_PLUS21 күн бұрын
  • I live in Mexico and all I can say is that I was shocked about how easy is to get an iPhone in the US, just get a contract and pay an extra $200 and get the latest iPhone. In Mexico if you want an iPhone even if you get most expensive phone plan you still have to pay almost full price of the iPhone. A 2 year contract and $200 for an iPhone is a "yes" but a 2 year contract and $800 for an iPhone is a "no".

    @ubaldoht@ubaldoht24 күн бұрын
  • I think the biggest issue for me and maybe a lot of people, is if you’re already in an existing iPhone group chat and get an Android you get locked out. Then I’d have to bother everyone to start a new group chat and lose everything in our last one. I do have groups of friends that use Discord and WhatsApp but not nearly enough people to make the switch. So hopefully Nothing can be the company to open up the door and break Apple’s closed garden, even if just a little.

    @Cookiem0sta@Cookiem0sta24 күн бұрын
    • i'm pretty sure in iOS 17 iPhone users can still use iMessage features in a group chat that contains Android users, just on the iPhone users' ends though.

      @camsta_@camsta_24 күн бұрын
    • Seems like an Apple problem

      @iambear.6526@iambear.652624 күн бұрын
    • have you heard of whatsapp?

      @OptimusMonk01@OptimusMonk0124 күн бұрын
  • Its def crazy that this is a thing in the US. The rest of the world could care less. Apple has great phones sure, but android and some really cool features with a diverse range of flagship phones. Europe, Asia, Africa all use third party apps like whatsapp as well as regional apps like Line, Zalo, Telegram, Wechat and so on. A phone doesn't define your identity. Everyone should be able to choose what brand or product they want to buy or use without feeling discriminated against.

    @sahabji2000@sahabji200024 күн бұрын
    • "The rest of the world could care less" How less could they care?

      @flyingpanhandle@flyingpanhandle24 күн бұрын
    • @@flyingpanhandle I guess he meant to say "couldn't care less"

      @daniellima4391@daniellima439124 күн бұрын
    • Telegram isn’t a regional app

      @ousarlxsfjsbvbg8588@ousarlxsfjsbvbg858824 күн бұрын
    • agree with you but definitely it matters as US is still the cultural setter. People copy whatever trends are going on in the west (especially US). It's even evident with more kids in India having an preference for iPhone.

      @PrimeTasteTester30@PrimeTasteTester3023 күн бұрын
  • I love India's phone market. Here, literally EVERYONE is almost an enthusiast. We only buy phones after a significant amount of research about its price to features ratio.

    @sneett7670@sneett767024 күн бұрын
  • And security risks they were! This video ages well. Kudos Marques for highlighting potential security issues which materialized in the worst possible way after Nothing launched their "app".

    @alexandr0id@alexandr0id16 күн бұрын
    • They made the announcement yesterday that Sunbird is closing due to security issues. I have a good feeling that this video greatly affected them.

      @wnnaliscioov7376@wnnaliscioov737616 күн бұрын
  • If you want the features from a certain system, just get that system. As you said, “emulating” those features might just get you in trouble and lets be completely honest: It’s never the same. I’m not a fanboy, I’ve used both Android and Apple.

    @raphaelliioo@raphaelliioo24 күн бұрын
  • They made the announcement yesterday that Sunbird is closing due to security issues. I have a good feeling that this video greatly affected them.

    @wnnaliscioov7376@wnnaliscioov737616 күн бұрын
  • What's weird is that here in Colombia basically everyone I know owns an iPhone (myself included) yet we all use mainly WhatsApp for texting. Nonetheless there's been a recent trend where at parties or events you're told to keep your AirDrop open so they can send you pictures/promos/info, effectively leaving out every Android user from those messages.

    @alejorag@alejorag24 күн бұрын
    • As a Colombian living in the U.S I could say Apple is so overrated, as Marques mentioned before about Blue bubbles vs Green bubbles most people buy Apple to fit in not so much for performance, Android has many more options than IOS.

      @rserna80@rserna8024 күн бұрын
    • Its because here in South America it took a while before iPhones became a sizeable portion of the userbase. So Whatsapp usage was alteady culturally established before the iPhone domination.

      @kenim@kenim24 күн бұрын
    • Main thing that happened is that the US market was stuck in SMS for far longer than the rest of the world, so the iPhone never saw a reason to implement a proprietary protocol until much later, by then WhatsApp, Viber and others had already grown a huge user base in multiple platforms, but in the US Apple basically led them from plain SMS to iMessage seamlessly to the point there are many that don't even realize that iMessage is something completely different under the hood to the old sms 'texting'.

      @CesarClaveria@CesarClaveria24 күн бұрын
    • cocaine money go crazy I guess

      @cessactdm@cessactdm24 күн бұрын
    • In south america actually.. i come from Paraguay, and I also used to have an iPhone but almost never used the iMessage, I've used Whatsapp even with other iPhone users because we were all in an Whatsapp Group 😅

      @docsantander@docsantander24 күн бұрын
  • A valid point, giving an access to an Apple account (or any other company's to that matter) to an app developed by another company may be not a good idea. It's better to sue Apple into adopting RCS with end-to-end encryption at last.

    @comesignotus9888@comesignotus988823 күн бұрын
  • I'm in the uk where the iPhone is strong but also android and particularly Samsung is strong. I have owned both phones but my take on it is if you want imessage just get an iPhone and have the proper experience. If your not so bothered and want freedom and choice then just go buy an android. Great video MKBHD 👍

    @ashleys23ultra@ashleys23ultra24 күн бұрын
  • For me, carrier deals are actually just as important. If I buy a phone and it doesn't fully work here in the states, or it breaks or whatever, I wanna bring it into someone in order to fix it or get a replacement. It's nice that they are doing this, but they really do need to do something with carrier's or stores here in the states if they wanna grow.

    @triforce2022@triforce202223 күн бұрын
    • Meanwhile in the rest of the world, you just bring it into the manufacturer's service center/drop point like you do with everything else. Insane how you put up with the carrier nonsense. I just have one app from the carrier to make it easier to recharge my pre-paid account. Having a carrier-locked phone with bloated OTA's from the carrier is unthinkable. It is bad enough that the OEM adds bloat to stock Android.

      @rexsceleratorum1632@rexsceleratorum163221 күн бұрын
  • Well it might work for the young-adult and adult range, teenagers will still very much care about their phones being the « real thing » For the 16+ yo people there will still be a lot to use from Apple’s ecosystem so that might not lead to people leaving their iPhone. It will in my opinion lead to more Androïd people shifting to a Nothing phone if they care about compatibility with their friends on iOS

    @lemicrodusalon7019@lemicrodusalon701924 күн бұрын
  • Used to be an iPhone and Mac user, i have my S23ultra for a couple of months. Seriously eye opening for me, great phone and the freedom to do whatever you want with your device is amazing.

    @Brian2017@Brian201723 күн бұрын
    • What is the freedom that you get from your Samsung if I may ask? As far as I know Samsungs are just as locked-in as Apple is in terms of customizability.

      @RealNameNeverUsed@RealNameNeverUsed20 күн бұрын
  • We need more companies with their own identity…

    @leonelbethancourtm.341@leonelbethancourtm.34125 күн бұрын
    • Translate! ကျွန်ုပ်ကို စာရင်းသွင်းသူတိုင်းကို စာရင်းသွင်းနေပါတယ်။..

      @MrDJ2004@MrDJ200425 күн бұрын
    • ​@@MrDJ2004translate! いいえ

      @Smart_boy2001@Smart_boy200125 күн бұрын
    • people are too "tribal" or "fanboy". They want to be a part of a brand or want to be normal and but whatever everyone else own. I think most people today can't think for themselves. Especially for teenagers as Marques mention. They want to fit in and be normal. "normal people use iPhone" -- teenagers.

      @delduked@delduked25 күн бұрын
    • Who’s “we”? Because most companies with their own identities go under. Clearly, the market disagrees.

      @dannymartial7997@dannymartial799725 күн бұрын
  • I don't know about Android users, but watching this KZhead video on an iPhone, and seeing the black squares on the left and right sides now become colorful is a pleasure in itself. Before this I usually zoomed in on the video to remove the black box.

    @tejacavalera@tejacavalera24 күн бұрын
  • It is pretty crazy how short lived this was! Nothing was so proud too! Had their "Sorry Tim" video as a whole section on the page of their site! All based on the back of Sunbird actually knowing what theyre doing with AppleIDs 🤦🏿 I think the moral of this story is that it is wise to vet the tech before announcing to everyone. Definitely a huge misstep on Sunbird's part

    @KngSovereign@KngSovereign15 күн бұрын
  • I think im the weirdest one for having both an android and an iphone. I think both phones do well depending on your needs. In my school a lot of students get an iPhone just for people to see that they use one. Also, we don't use imessage and facetime 😅

    @KimYoungMin360@KimYoungMin36024 күн бұрын
  • I personally would never overlook a security issue like this. No way. I don't use iMessage though. Apple's gonna support RCS soon, right? Isn't that a solution?

    @leoceoliveira@leoceoliveira21 күн бұрын
  • its a weird topic because right now EU is investigating whether they should designate iMessage as a gatekeeper service and thus open it up to competitors, what that means im not sure... could make iMessage downloadable on other app stores or make apple integrate RCS, either way this is an interesting time we are living in, and next 6-12 months will be spicy because apple is already working on side loading for EU users and should include it by law until march/april at the latest sooo yeah

    @filip.a.@filip.a.25 күн бұрын
    • Question: Why should it be declared as a gatekeeper app? Are companies/groups no longer allowed to make exclusive features to their customers/members? If they call it gatekeeping wouldn't that set a precedent? Genuinely curious, since on one hand I don't like Apple all too much myself but I have also heard that the message and video services are just very good. I strongly dislike the European Union but the switch to USB-C was welcome. I don't exactly want to support the Corporate Juggernauts Apple, but then again the Multinational Governing Body EU is awful too.

      @adityapandey3614@adityapandey361425 күн бұрын
  • the app might be exclusive but when the sunbird app launches outside of the invite beta, i wonder if there would be as much of an exclusive to go to nothing phone. If sunbird doesn't get shut down in a few months/years, apple might just support RCS to shut it down!

    @nabeelkh@nabeelkh22 күн бұрын
  • As an Austrian (not Australia) all this feels so surreal to me. In Europe almost everyone uses Android, the market share is about 65% at the moment. Everyone I know uses Android, except 3 people. We all communicate via Whatsapp or Snapchat.

    @uptoolsYTK@uptoolsYTK23 күн бұрын
    • And even people who use iPhones almost never use the message app.

      @Dranzell@Dranzell19 күн бұрын
  • Hey Marques, I've been following you for some time, and I appreciate your meticulous approach to product reviews. I have one query: When I use Netflix on my OnePlus 7T, the brightness doesn't go all the way down, but on the iPhone 13, it does. Also, I'm planning to upgrade and was wondering whether to switch to the iPhone 15 or purchase the Google Pixel 8 Pro. Would appreciate your reply immensely. Thanks!

    @palcy948@palcy9486 күн бұрын
    • Pixel 8 Pro all day

      @AliveGhost13@AliveGhost133 күн бұрын
    • @@AliveGhost13 do you have pixel 8 pro?

      @palcy948@palcy9483 күн бұрын
  • Wow. I find that 87% statistic to be incredibly alarming for the future! Given how crucial things like text messaging and video chat have become to communications, having a single company with a very tightly controlled "Walled garden" commanding this kind of market share seems like a huge antitrust issue to me. I wonder at what point the DOJ needs to get involved? Perhaps things that are as important as messaging standards should not be allowed to be controlled by a single company?

    @grifter77@grifter7722 күн бұрын
  • Thank you T & T ..... always being trusted and transparent! I honestly do not care for your other change with the co-host because else seems to be it across the screen like you do.... JS..... Keep it up

    @reneev1010@reneev101016 күн бұрын
  • I always loved my android phone, but finally switched to apple 2 years ago, mainly for iMessage. I was often excluded from group chats because all my college friends had iPhones and wanted an iPhone group chat, and would rely on a friend relaying information to me. I have enjoyed experiencing the apple ecosystem, but would love the option to switch back to android at some point. Blindly signing in with my Apple ID seems a tad sketch, and would love if they offered an option to self host, but I am very excited for this development and hope that progress continues to be made

    @MatthewSmith-ot7cz@MatthewSmith-ot7cz25 күн бұрын
    • Reason I switched to Apple was the stability, I couldn't give less of a shit about iMessage tbh.

      @animetodamaximum@animetodamaximum25 күн бұрын
    • You couldn't get messages at all when using Android?

      @CapturedByKen@CapturedByKen25 күн бұрын
    • While this situation sounds absolutely crazy to a non-American, I had the exact same thought. I have and will always have an android phone, but I got an iPad. Why isn't there simply a message forwarding app that pushes your messages or media to the iPad to send in iMessage and vice versa.

      @tagg8233@tagg823325 күн бұрын
    • ​@@animetodamaximumstability is there even in any midrange phones they are like 75% of the flagship in every department you are just paying thrice for the rest 25% in flagships. So stop with this stability bullshit...

      @deepakbisht4957@deepakbisht495725 күн бұрын
  • Glad to be European and have the freedom of choosing whatever device I want without any threats of being isolated

    @garveziukas@garveziukas24 күн бұрын
    • Riiiiight

      @dufusrufus7752@dufusrufus775223 күн бұрын
    • in europe everyone uses iphone too

      @fow8780@fow878023 күн бұрын
    • I’m American and I have that right with a phone lol

      @johnnymcclain4100@johnnymcclain410023 күн бұрын
    • Except of Oppo or Huawei, which are banned/sanction for the only purpose of market advantage .. but hey, we have a "free choice" 👍

      @petroskraitsis@petroskraitsis23 күн бұрын
  • The iMessage thing is pretty funny. People get mad at Apple out of fomo, despite the fact every person has multiple messaging apps on their phone. You would think Apple created fomo the way people carry on. It also highlights how highly humans care about what other people think of them. That is the biggest problem.

    @aaronxromano@aaronxromano24 күн бұрын
  • I’ve used Sunbird and while it’s cool I think Beeper is a bit better and more polished. But good for ‘Nothing’ to keep trying

    @teekillinem@teekillinem22 күн бұрын
  • I had never heard of Sunbird but that whole situation sounds dodgy, overcomplicated and prone to failure. Maybe it because I dual wield but I think a simpler option, if you want iMessage that desperately, would be to buy an secondary iPhone/iPad. No need to be anything fancy or new. Does a friend have an old XR/11 they can part with? Might you snag a deal on a refurbished 2020 SE? Whatever

    @TheWolfHowling@TheWolfHowling24 күн бұрын
  • This could have an effect but it absolutely needs to be accompanied by a big marketing effort

    @SamuriLemonX18@SamuriLemonX1819 күн бұрын
  • I actually think Apple will go ahead and support RCS so messages are encrypted but still keep the iMessage walled garden by coding/decoding messages between RCS and iMessage. I am surprised they haven’t done this already. Would check off a major box from an antitrust perspective

    @pranavdesai9761@pranavdesai976125 күн бұрын
    • They’ll probably do it if they get more pressure from the EU which is likely

      @Goku17yen@Goku17yen25 күн бұрын
    • Yes, but since it's a software thing and not hardware (like usb-c), they could easily adopt RCS in EU only and still keep the US users under control.

      @cai0@cai024 күн бұрын
    • @@Goku17yenit is a bit less likely they’ll get that pressure from the EU in this case though as iMessage isn’t used as much in the EU anyway

      @corvacopia@corvacopia24 күн бұрын
  • the fact that a mobile company thought that they needed to develop something like this to please some people shows that there's something really wrong with the world.

    @TheDamnedReyDF@TheDamnedReyDF24 күн бұрын
    • It's marketing to create hype or attempt to grab attention for their unknown brand

      @Ivy101@Ivy10124 күн бұрын
    • @@Ivy101 from Nothing yeah I know that. But It doesn't change the fact that people are crazy over "iPhones" especially in the US

      @TheDamnedReyDF@TheDamnedReyDF24 күн бұрын
  • I’m waiting for the Starlink phone. That would be cool to see a 3rd option besides the windows phone

    @Jeradactile@Jeradactile23 күн бұрын
  • Thank you for being the only KZhead on this topic to have an awareness of what happens outside of the us.

    @user-oh4yo9pu5n@user-oh4yo9pu5n21 күн бұрын
  • Marques is very smart if you actually think about it. His ability to criticise big tech companies and analyze issues and possible solutions is what no ordinary consumer can do. Insane.

    @GfoxSim@GfoxSim22 күн бұрын
  • It was 100% a dealbreaker for my, now wife, if she didn't have blue bubbles and FaceTime. We wouldn't have worked out if we started texting and it was green.

    @Stockton-Black@Stockton-Black23 күн бұрын