HONEYCOMB PANELS IN AIRCRAFT INTERIORS - The magic behind lightweight and strong construction
2024 ж. 13 Мам.
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An introductory look at the honeycomb panels used in the construction of aircraft interiors. Including assembly pins and threaded inserts.
this was a great video explaining a great deal for this panels! thank you for making this video!
I appreciate your work, i am a UAV engineer this was very helpful.:)
Thank you Sir! It's an honor having an engineer write in! I appreciate it. Welcome to Plane Simple.
Sir, thank you for the introductory look at how to affix the threaded inserts and sleeves into this material. Do you have a video on how to join two edges of the honeycomb - as in construction of the drawer "box" shown at the beginning of the video? The box/drawer does not seem to be joined using the assembly pins - unless the pins are covered up in some way after they are installed. During the video you describe how an assembly could be done with a butt joint, but I don't know if that pin assembly is used for a ninety-degree mitered joint.
Thank you for the educational walkthrough of these panels
My pleasure marthamrygold.
Very, very interesting explanation!! Thanks!
Thank you very, very much! I'm glad you liked it.
Awesome video and very helpful. Level of detail is amazing. Thank you very much!
Thank you very much Art, I really appreciate it.
Great job
Really amazing, the way you have explained. That "No joke" part. XD
Thank you Akash Aditya, I appreciate it. I'm glad you liked my video and my sense of humor, I'm still a child inside... 😆
Thank you so much. Very helpful video
Thank you so much for making this, Ive bern wondering how inserts were installed.
Hello, we are the honeycomb board manufacturer, so nice to see your video! I hope more and more people could realize the advantage of honeycomb board as cabinet material rather than the stainless steel :-)
Hello JIAWAH, and welcome to Plane Simple. I'm honored to have a manufacturer like you take the time to write in the comments. I think that more people would use the material if it was readily available. It has traditionally been very expensive and therefore reserved for high end industrial uses and out of reach of the common people. If it was made more available and affordable, it would only be a matter of time for the product to explode in popularity and adoption. Even in this comments section there are several people that I'm sure would love to get their hands on some honeycomb panels. Thanks again for writing in.
Please information on your company
where can I purchase these honeycomb panels?@@planesimple8514
@@pollohuaco How many planes got
Very informative and helpful. Thanks for posting
My pleasure Simon Dabbs, thank you for the positive feedback and the nice comment.
Thank for the great info.
Thank you.
Hey @Plane Simple Great video! Where can I purchase the hardware you've shown? Today I purchased a bunch of aluminum honeycomb sheets from an auction and was wondering how I was going to fasten. Very happy I found your video!
Thanks!
Thank you, very helpful video.
Thank you for the positive feedback.
Keep up the good work mate!!
Thank you very much man. Thanks for watching and for taking the time to give me some positive feedback. I really appreciate it!
Plane Simple no worries mate , been watching your vids for some time now . You take the time to explain . which makes it easy to understand 👌
Really enjoyed this video Super helpful
Thank you very much John Lupu. I really appreciate it. I'm glad you liked it.
Just found your channel and quite enjoyed the content! For the home enthusiast I think you could use a woodruff cutter or a t-slot cutter for the relief around the insert. An alternative to the expensive and hard to source sandwich panel inserts could be Chicago screws or something called a sex bolt. Grind or file flats on the base to help provide mechanical attachment to prevent spinning. From a 30 year veteran Aerospace worker thanks!!
Thanks man
This is great
Thank you. I appreciate it.
This is what i want...Thank you sir
superb engineering. Great video.
Hello Apoorv Vyas, that is great engineering i deed! Thank you for taking the time to leave a nice comment and happy new year.
And all of that for one screw How long would a thousand take??
Well explained. Thanks for sharing. Furniture for frail or old people could be made light (movable ) and strong (fall protection) using these methods and materials.
Very true. One of the very many applications that would benefit from such materials.
Would it be stronger to directly bond two sandwich panels together or use inserts and bolts? For example a wing structure or torsion box? I suspect a direct bond would be stronger however harder to deal with if you had to do maintenance.
thanks for the video, very understandable way to explain the topic. and why the heck someone disliked this video anyway?!
Hello M Dadi Refa Manreza, thank you for the kind words. As to why someone disliked the video, who knows? But every person is a world of their own and everybody is entitled to their own opinion, I still respect that. Having said that, thanks again for taking the time to leave me a nice comment and welcome to Plane Simple.
Hi I have seen ultralight aircrafts builders use sandwich panals for wing ribs can you use the inserts you showed to attach ribs to the spar or is it something you shouldn't do
Thanks for this expiation. Way Cool!! Where can I buy those little epoxy pins? What are they called?
Hello Chuck Vivian, those "epoxy pins" to join the honeycomb panels are literally called panel pins. Try googling "honeycomb panel pins" and you'll see a few results of companies that sell them along with theater inserts and such. One of them is called TYE-The Young Engineers, they have anything you can imagine for honeycomb panels but it's intended for aviation so expect the prices to be way high! Maybe McMaster Carr would have them too... Good luck.
I’ve done my fair share of interior work. Nothing worse than a spinning insert. We rip the interiors apart to do mods and when it comes time to put it all back together you get into some interesting stuff. But at least it’s mainly tertiary structure. Very cool channel btw.
Hey Sexy Grande!! Nice to see you back again! Welcome back. Yeah buddy, that's what I do for a living, interior work. We remove/install the interiors for aircraft maintenance, modify, refurbish, etc. I know the feeling of a spinning insert very well! Lol...
i miss interior work... sorta... i moved over to avionics and yes i know the pain of spinning inserts.. but 90% of the time it was missing hardware when the plane was a day from RTS..
Yeah! You know it. And of course the phrase "it came in like that" will never fly.
@@planesimple8514 i usually tell them "ya know the plane can fly without the interior... "
Very nice video! Subbed.
Thank you. Welcome to Plane Simple.
Greetings, thanks for the informative outstanding video. Where do I find the pins (epoxy injected pins) that are used to secure the carbonate or honey comb material?
Hello TheSilverSurfisher, thanks for the positive feedback. Try googling "ATR panel pins", you should be able to find them.
@@planesimple8514 Okay, thank you so much!
Is is good for making radio controlled airplanes? Like small UAVs. Can you give an approximate weights of 1 meter square of this sheet.
Hello and thank you for this video. Are there any downsides of applying honeycombs in compare with foams for example?
Hello Wohambi, that is a highly technical and specific question that requires in-depth knowledge in the subject. Far more than I have. Therefore I can't even begin to answer your question, because I can't. I'm sure the application dictates the choice of core material, skin material, and the thickness of each, but as to which to use when... I don't know. Engineers determine that. On the other hand, if you know the loads and environment of your application, you can read the specs for different materials and pick the cheapest one that still suits the need. I know this answer is not what you were looking for, but it's all I can give. Thanks for coming by Plane Simple.
Bee can set up shop in there too.
Great video sir! I am restoring and old Airstream Camper and would like to build the interior with honeycombs panels like aircraft. I am having an extremely hard time finding resources on construction techniques as well as material suppliers. Do you know of any books or white papers on construction techniques and any suppliers? Richard
Hello Richard, thank you for your kind comment. Your airstream restoration sounds like an amazing project. Sadly, I've never tried buying honeycomb sandwich panels for myself, it's always been for work which is aircraft interiors. And like anything aircraft, it's expensive. Just off the top of my head I think a good ballpark price for a fiberglass skinned 4'x8' sheet is around $400. Prices will also change for aluminum, carbon or Kevlar, etc. One supplier I can remember is AAR composites. However, there must be other suppliers and ideally non-aviation suppliers should be less expensive, sadly I don't know of any. I will do some googling and if I find something I'll add to this comment. As far as building techniques go, I could offer a bit of info but not much more that what's already on the video. Anyway, sorry I wasn't more helpful but I wish you the best of luck with your airstream.
I've often wondered why RV and camper manufacturers don't use honeycomb panels instead of that cheap fiber board they use. This would be lighter in weight and much sturdier. I would interested to see how your project comes out when finished.
@@bighardtop Actually Safari Condo, a Quebec-based company, has built its entire camper trailer line (Alto trailers) around this technology. They are the lightest on the market for their size. They are costly but keep their value because they are impervious to rot, rust, etc. The main disadvantage is that the shell has almost no insulation. We have been using an Alto trailer since 2016, and overall we are very satisfied.
Is it as lightweight as styrofoam?
great vidéo i sub! hie from Algeria!
Hello bradxvIII, thanks for the nice comment. Hello to Algeria and welcome to Plane Simple.
Very detailed. Amazing how some people can create a 30 minute video out of something that could be explained intelligently in about 5 minutes.
Hello Andrew Cheshire, Thank you for the comment. I know the video dragged on for far longer than I originally expected, but I left it anyway because I figured that viewers could skip around to whatever parts they wanted. Thanks for watching anyway.
Very much appreciate the video. Question thou, is these honeycomb panels are fire retardant?
Hello Arnold, yes they are.
Hey everyone, so I have a load of used aircraft floor boards that I pulled from a skip before I left my job in an aircraft maintenance facility in February. Planning to make cabinets for a campervan out of them but I have I cannot find a supply of the pins for joining the panels with resin. If I can't find any I might have to make my own but Id rather it didn't come to that. Does anyone know any other names for them? Or even better, part numbers? Any help would be appreciated
Hello Damon Reynolds, you have an uphill battle ahead of you. The pins are called ATR panel pins or tie pins and they come in specific sizes to fit specific panel thickness es. The epoxies we use are ATR525 from AAR Composites or DP460 from 3M. The reason I say an uphill battle is because these parts are very expensive. Their cost is justified in an aircraft, but for any home, DIY use they are ridiculous prices. Another method you can try is using counter sink or flat head screws instead of the panel pins. I don't mean to thread the screws into the panels(it won't hold), I mean to substitute the pins with the screws and install them in a similar manner. Drill a hole the size of the screw(the thread diameter, not the head diameter) in the panels you want to join, pre fill the hole with the epoxy and "nail" the panels together with the screw while the epoxy is still wet. Clamp or tape or secure the panels in place and let cure. The treads of the screw will act as the knurls in the pins and the head of the screw will act as the flare of the pins. It's not ideal but a helluva lot cheaper. As for the epoxy... I don't know of a cheaper alternative. I'd do some searching for a cheap epoxy that cures solid that bonds to both metal and carbon. And speaking of carbon, most floorboards are made of carbon fiber. When you cut, trim, drill or sand them, don't breathe the black dust. Good luck.
Where did you buy the hollow knurled joining pins/dowels? Thanks
You can find them online from several aviation parts distributors. Just Google "ATR Panel Pins" and you'll find them. Read up on them, they are color coded for each pin diameter to match the panel width they are getting installed into.
Would it be the same process for aluminum panels?
Yes, it would be the same.
Dear, can u pls make a video of, how the central honeycomb cardboard panel is made? I am very much interested in knowing about that!!!
Hello pranesh malarmani, thank you for watching this video and for your question but I'm afraid I can't answer it. I am not involved with the manufacturing of those honeycomb panels and therefore I do not know the details of how the honeycomb core is made. I'm sorry that I could not answer your question. I hope you find the answer. Thanks again for coming by Plane Simple.
Infusion i'd guess. Ask google.
Definitely not infused. Its made of prepreg fabrics and honeycomb under pressure. Press maschined or in autoclave. You can make your own sandwich panels making skin's separately then bond them together with honeycomb with thin layer adhesion paste. Pressing under vacuum or simply load some weight.
Is the fiberglass dangerous to breathe in when you drill into it?
Hello Clubberdang, of course it is dangerous. You should always protect your breathing, eyes and skin when working with anything foreign to your body. The level of protection should match the level of risk, use common sense and when in doubt, err on the side of safety.
honestly i had 0 reason to watch this video by god did i watch it all lol
Should have known when i saw the rubber ring.
That was part of video i was searching.. Thow i need for boat building.. Vell I have to learn how they vinir wood on or vinyl (bla bla bla). You said these panels are premade(I thought so). Where I can buy them.. In EU.. Transport from us would be very non economic for many reasons. And great sorry teller you are..
Hello Jean Luc De Marc, thank you for your kind words. I don't know where you could buy these panels in the EU. I know FACC, I think it's Fischer Aircraft Composite Components or something like that, they manufacture aircraft interiors in Austria. You can try to contact them and see where they buy their panels from. Good luck.
@@planesimple8514 thank you for replying! Ja I will note and ask.. Do you have suggestions on how strong panels need to be(I meant how many layers of glass/karbon). Standard furniture panels thickness is 19mm...and some 15mm. And thank you again for info.
Those panels are amazingly strong for their weight. The thicker the core the stronger the panel will be. When you find a panel distributor, they can give you spec sheets for each panel size. That way you can select the size panel you need for your application.
Very useful video, but use a microphone on your shirt, audio was terrible. Edit film to shorten, it drags on too long.
Hello MJ Remy, thanks for your kind words and for keeping it respectful. I apologize for the crappy audio. I am not a pro at this, as it is painfully obvious. I do not own a lapel mic. On top of that, most of the videos I do are at work, surrounded by electrical rooms buzzing, noisy lights, echo-y hangars, running engines, etc, etc, so the background noise is always terrible and always there. I rarely get the chance to plan or script a video. They mostly happen spontaneously whenever the opportunity presents itself, I just whip my phone out and start recording. I know the end result shows every bit of those defects. As far as the video dragging on, that's the result of not pre-scripting it and just letting my brain ramble on on the fly. Sorry about that, thank you for your patience and for putting up with it.
It's not really paper, well yes it's paper but made from aramid (kevlar).
That's correct. Thank you Jean-Pierre for adding that bit of info.
Probably Nomex.
So, it’s aramid or nomex?
@@szekerespista3758 nomex is a brand name of a paper made out of aramid ( brand name = Kevlar)
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