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Electric vs. Gasoline: Which Car Burns Easier When Crushed?

Hydraulic Press Channel
2023 ж. 10 Қар.
38 295 Рет қаралды
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"In this high-pressure video, we’ve outfitted 1/18 scale model cars with precise battery packs and fuel systems to replicate the real-world designs of electric vehicles like Tesla, along with traditional gasoline, hybrid, and gas-powered cars. Our objective? To conduct a formidable test with a 40-ton hydraulic press, simulating the kind of catastrophic structural collapse seen in severe car crashes.
We’re lining up electric, hybrid, gas, and gasoline models to see which one succumbs to the flames when things go awry. Which fuel source will lead to the worst inferno when crushed beyond recognition? Will there be a stark difference in how each model succumbs to the pressure? It might not be textbook science, but it's definitely a fascinating exploration into the durability and safety of these vehicles under extreme conditions.
Remember, replicating this test is not advised; it's dangerous, and battery and gas fumes are hazardous. Watch the controlled chaos unfold from the safety of your home and leave the crushing to us!
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  • This is just scale test and I have no idea how car fire scales in real life! All the cars were in such a bad condition after the crush that the fire is going to be your last worry anyways :D

    @HydraulicPressChannel@HydraulicPressChannel6 ай бұрын

    • If you are coming home from the grocery store, then as long as you get out of the car safely...........with the Pepsi-Max and the frozen Pizza, you will be fine. 😂

      @WoodworkerDon@WoodworkerDon6 ай бұрын

    • With hotter fires like in flammable metals, you don't just worry about the car, but also the road underneath.

      @rampagent9226@rampagent92266 ай бұрын

    • Haven’t watched yet and I know the batteries in EV are definitely more dangerous! Fire departments have special protocols for EV’s

      @Mohawkris_8@Mohawkris_86 ай бұрын

    • Shit I thought it was real cars! Got Me!!!😂

      @Mohawkris_8@Mohawkris_86 ай бұрын

    • "...I have no idea how car fire scales in real life!" Yet.

      @ContemporaryCompendium@ContemporaryCompendium6 ай бұрын

  • "if you survive the initial blast, it's over quite quickly" "also if you don't, it's still over quite quickly"

    @ryan___ryan2711@ryan___ryan27116 ай бұрын

    • His way with words has always been one of my favorite things about this channel lol

      @microbuilder@microbuilder6 ай бұрын

    • I creased up laughing when he said that... Perfect delivery.

      @RogueWraith909@RogueWraith9095 ай бұрын

  • I have a feeling that, if crushed by a giant boulder falling off a cliff, your car catching fire is no longer a concern you'll have to think about.

    @tammyhollandaise@tammyhollandaise6 ай бұрын

  • I will be sure to never park my car under a gigantic hydraulic press. Thanks for the public service announcement :P

    @Average_Brad@Average_Brad6 ай бұрын

    • You drive a Tesla? Right?

      @foureyedchick@foureyedchick6 ай бұрын

  • This channel is always so entertaining. The chemistry in the batteries makes a fair difference in the volatility.

    @bobuncle8704@bobuncle87046 ай бұрын

    • I was thinking the same thing. Li-phosphate is much less reactive than Li-anything else.

      @kma3647@kma36476 ай бұрын

    • @@kma3647 Why do I get the feeling that's not what is in most EVs/Hybrids?

      @FixingWithFriends@FixingWithFriends6 ай бұрын

    • @@FixingWithFriends It's what's in BYDs and several others, and there's lots of all those

      @thekaxmax@thekaxmax6 ай бұрын

  • Electric Vehicles are possibly a worse fire scenario then Internal Combustion Engines, only due to the oxidizer and fuel being internal to the battery, so it may be harder to extinguish. Magnesium engine fires are also interesting to extinguish, just because water breaks down to provide oxygen to the fire due to the intense temperature of burning magnesium.

    @joelvh1@joelvh16 ай бұрын

    • Water works on all normal cars, but just search for Tesla burning under water... The whole car was in the water and it still was huge...

      @HQHQHQHQHQHQHQHQHQHQHQHQHQHQHQ@HQHQHQHQHQHQHQHQHQHQHQHQHQHQHQ6 ай бұрын

    • ​@@HQHQHQHQHQHQHQHQHQHQHQHQHQHQHQyou need chilled -23oC brine to put out electric fires. And only with direct application where it fills the entire car.

      @valandil988@valandil9886 ай бұрын

  • Thank you for this scientifical test - now I know to make sure I get out of my car before it is crushed.

    @blower1@blower16 ай бұрын

  • "If you survive the initial blast it is over quite quickly." 😂

    @ClassicEber@ClassicEber6 ай бұрын

  • If I remember correctly they crashed an electric car on that Grand Tour show on Amazon and fire fighters struggled to put it out. It was smouldering and reigniting for hours.

    @captainxemo3804@captainxemo38046 ай бұрын

    • that's because you need a certain compound to fight it. Which to my knowledge even some FDs still don;t commonly have. Let alone high-rise buildings with underground parking.

      @bbb462cid@bbb462cid6 ай бұрын

    • @@bbb462cid It also wasn't a production car but a test vehicle, lacking many safety features.

      @TheBrucifer@TheBrucifer6 ай бұрын

    • @@TheBrucifer have you ever worked with or played with larger (say the size of a suitcase) li-ion batteries?

      @bbb462cid@bbb462cid6 ай бұрын

    • Richard Hammond crashing the Rimac. He recently got back into a Rimac for the first time since that accident. Not as spectacular as the jet dragster he crashed but yes, the Rimac took days to fully extinguish.

      @bghoody5665@bghoody56656 ай бұрын

    • Yea the rimac, it also rolled downa hill for 110 meters

      @RandomNoob@RandomNoob6 ай бұрын

  • When Cowboy Car Crushing meets the Hydraulic Press Channel HPC 😁 ,even the choice of cars was perfect for what's usually at the scrapyard too

    @daewooparts@daewooparts6 ай бұрын

  • Before watching the video, I anticipate that the battery fire will likely be more intense-hotter and with a longer burn duration. I own an EV and am not against them. Additionally, I've owned numerous gasoline-powered cars, so I'm not against them either. My philosophy is that you invest your money and accept the associated risks.

    @davidmlong63@davidmlong636 ай бұрын

  • When I had a crash in my petrol car in real life, the starter battery caught fire. We managed to put the fire out before it got worse thankfully.

    @rayforsdick6568@rayforsdick65686 ай бұрын

  • I've had a hybrid Toyota Camry since 2012, and it's the best car of the 9 cars I have ever owned, by far. Of course, I have neither crushed it, nor set it on fire. ;)

    @burke615@burke6156 ай бұрын

  • I think what tends to make gasoline cars explode is the fact that sometimes the fuel tank isn't ruptured in an accident but, if something else is on fire, like the engine or the battery (since all cars have batteries), it causes a BLEVE (boiling liquid expanding vapor explosion) and those can become extremely dangerous without any warning unless you know what to look for.

    @whoever6458@whoever64585 ай бұрын

  • Who runs up to a car crash with a torch?

    @stevenwithanS@stevenwithanS6 ай бұрын

  • "and if you don't, it's also over quite quickly" lmfao🤣😂

    @nerdlord7994@nerdlord79946 ай бұрын

  • Congrats on the success of this channel. Love what you’re doing.

    @brian96597@brian965976 ай бұрын

    • Thanks!

      @HydraulicPressChannel@HydraulicPressChannel6 ай бұрын

  • Always loved these videos very stress relieving

    @jordansmashesthings@jordansmashesthings6 ай бұрын

  • So your gas power car was crushed and there is no fire, but then SOME RANDOM GUY RUNS UP WITH A BLOWTORCH AND IGNITES IT

    @rtr5301@rtr53016 ай бұрын

    • Definitely a dick move

      @schrodingersmechanic7622@schrodingersmechanic76226 ай бұрын

    • shhhhhh

      @dimitar4y@dimitar4y6 ай бұрын

    • Maybe you live in a warzone. ...or the USA.

      @FixingWithFriends@FixingWithFriends6 ай бұрын

  • I LOVE SCIENCE...❤ ❤ 😊

    @panosgamithis8868@panosgamithis88686 ай бұрын

    • “YEAH SCIENCE!” - Jesse Pinkman. :)

      @brian96597@brian965976 ай бұрын

  • next: full-scale tests!

    @moonliteX@moonliteX6 ай бұрын

  • The Swedes are never going to forgive you for that Volvo.

    @Nefville@Nefville6 ай бұрын

  • 😂 that's great. Need to have more battery in the engine. Great testing!

    @jaredfowler3464@jaredfowler34646 ай бұрын

  • That’s the kind of out of the box ideas that the Hydraulic Press Channel needs moving forward. ➡️➡️➡️➡️➡️↗️↗️ Keep up the good work.🏆

    @xyrzmxyzptlk1186@xyrzmxyzptlk11866 ай бұрын

  • Regarding Hybrid cars, i drive a Chevy Volt, and it has the best of both full electric and internal combustion. Charge at home overnight so i rarely use gas, saving on costs, but if i road trip or on super cold days it runs the engine and there isn't any problem. The electric drive replaces the automatic transmission, keeping mechanical simplicity, and reliability. The battery can be much smaller than a full electric, saving on cost and rare materials

    @king_br0k@king_br0k6 ай бұрын

    • How many miles on that car? Has it needed any major repairs yet? I have a Toyota Prius with 220k miles and it's been slowly losing features because parts inside the dash are getting old. I'm not completely done with the car yet since it still runs ok but looking around for my next one.

      @mugustabjeonklei2613@mugustabjeonklei26134 ай бұрын

    • @@mugustabjeonklei2613 110k ish, nothing beyond regular maintenance but I have only had the car a year and 10k miles

      @king_br0k@king_br0k4 ай бұрын

  • Excellent science. Very educational :)

    @Rick586@Rick5866 ай бұрын

  • The gasoline may have more energy in total, but all of the ingredients to release the energy are present in the battery, already mixed and ready to go. In the gas cars, one of the ingredients needed to release the energy from the gasoline--air--is not pre-mixed with the fuel. That means that until the fuel is released, evaporated and mixed into the air, it cannot burn; that limitation slows the burn rate and makes it far less energetic. Another difference is that these model cars don't have the electrical system that even a purely gas-powered car will have. Lead-acid batteries don't self-ignite like lithium batteries, but they _do_ provide a source of current that can produce sparks when cars collide, often long after the collision itself, meaning that the gasoline would be more likely to ignite in a real gas-powered car than in your models. So I'm going to say it's fair that you used a torch to light off the gas, since the car didn't have a way to make sparks for you.

    @DaveC2729@DaveC27295 ай бұрын

  • Is there a possibility the liquid from the fluid (gasoline) was mixing the chemicals and actually keeping the battery from having an explosive reaction? Or, the crushing of the batteries still maintained a barrier because of the specific construction of those particular batteries? I’ve always wondered how we could get the most out of batteries whilst reducing their dangerous properties. I feel for the chemists trying to solve that.

    @cjcantrell80@cjcantrell806 ай бұрын

  • The set up for this video is HILARIOUS!

    @gopro25@gopro252 ай бұрын

  • Electric car fires are metal fires. Regular car fires are just normal and, occasionally, fuel fires. The later are MUCH easier to extinguish.

    @Kualinar@Kualinar6 ай бұрын

  • No Lada?

    @joshuagibson2520@joshuagibson25206 ай бұрын

    • I am not sure were those available :D I was so exited about the old Volvo that I had to have that as an older car :D

      @HydraulicPressChannel@HydraulicPressChannel6 ай бұрын

    • @@HydraulicPressChannel lol. Yes. I almost commented that in real life the Volvo would have broken the press! Here in America when I was a kid those Volvos we're heavily advertised as the safest and strongest cars in the world.

      @joshuagibson2520@joshuagibson25206 ай бұрын

  • Frist thought was the move Tommy boy ...when he crashed the cars on the desk an then lit them in 🔥

    @joshjones3408@joshjones34086 ай бұрын

  • Where did you find those cars? Interestingly mundane but realistic models, I'd like to check those out. Also, video was very entertaining, as usual!

    @Sepi-bx5qd@Sepi-bx5qd6 ай бұрын

    • I also want to know, especially the Volvo!

      @R1chardB1ngham@R1chardB1ngham6 ай бұрын

    • Could be some other brand of course, but I know Bburago makes (made?) detailed 1:18 scale diecast model cars, ranging from the mundane to supercars.

      @JanTuts@JanTuts6 ай бұрын

  • Were the small batteries fully charged?

    @twoina@twoina6 ай бұрын

  • OMG! If a car gets crushed like that, would the driver be OK?

    @IchBinPowerPaul@IchBinPowerPaul6 ай бұрын

  • How often do you have to replace the wiper seal on your hydraulic cylinder after being melted so much?

    @craigs7069@craigs70696 ай бұрын

    • Haven't changed it even once :D

      @HydraulicPressChannel@HydraulicPressChannel6 ай бұрын

    • Nice! I manufacture & repair hydraulic cylinders for a living so I was just wondering. Have fun! Be safe!

      @craigs7069@craigs70696 ай бұрын

  • Surprised how explosive the battery one is! The gasoline one is pretty dangerous too if it can catch some sparks

    @dvdlesher@dvdlesher6 ай бұрын

    • I am also pretty sure that the modern catalysators are hot enough to ignite gasoline. They ignite easily brush fires if you park in wrong place

      @HydraulicPressChannel@HydraulicPressChannel6 ай бұрын

    • Chances of a gastank exploding after an accident is remote to none. EVs on the other hand are driving timebombs.

      @Kededian@Kededian6 ай бұрын

    • @@Kededian The gas cars don't burn on crashes often becouse the gas tank is well protected and so are also batteries so plenty of stuff to worry on the crash but fire isn't usually one of those. I would be more worried about combustion engine sliding into the passengers in bad crash.

      @HydraulicPressChannel@HydraulicPressChannel6 ай бұрын

    • @@Kededian Cars catching on fire are rare in general, but from what I can find EVs catch on fire at about 10x lower rate than gas cars

      @matty7834@matty78346 ай бұрын

    • ​@@KededianDon't spread misinformation.

      @logitech4873@logitech48736 ай бұрын

  • i wonder if button type battery (you know for watches and other small devices) would be more accurate replica of cell applications, even tho obviously to scale thats still too huge even in smallest ones i saw.

    @nameless5413@nameless54136 ай бұрын

  • This is a great channel!

    @ILOVEBACONBOY2018@ILOVEBACONBOY20186 ай бұрын

  • You are simply crazy! I love you!

    @iblesbosuok@iblesbosuok6 ай бұрын

  • Very good 🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉❤❤❤❤❤

    @bclivevlogs7541@bclivevlogs75416 ай бұрын

  • You see, gasoline is flammable, but the FUMES are combustable

    @angrydalek@angrydalek6 ай бұрын

  • You use two differnt types of battery?

    @TRUMP4PREZ@TRUMP4PREZ6 ай бұрын

  • I love your videos. ❤

    6 ай бұрын

  • Voiskohan siinä prässissä puristaa vaikka haulikon täysiä hylsyjä?

    @SuperKanuuna@SuperKanuuna6 ай бұрын

  • Putting _out_ the flames is the bigger deal

    @bbb462cid@bbb462cid6 ай бұрын

  • "Remember kids, the only difference between screwing around and science is writing it down." --Adam Savage

    @kattphud@kattphud6 ай бұрын

  • Didn't ignite? Let me help with that.

    @crazyivan030983@crazyivan0309836 ай бұрын

  • I was half expecting the 240 to break the hydraulic press... 😂 The Nokia 3310 of the classic car world (I talk from experience of owning both!)

    @sbomorse@sbomorse6 ай бұрын

  • Firefighters in the real world are saying that EV fires burn hotter, and for much longer, than gasoline cars.

    @LJPMotorsports@LJPMotorsports6 ай бұрын

  • Unrelated, does anyway want to buy my hybrid Kia Optima?

    @coltonmuri3672@coltonmuri36726 ай бұрын

  • You're comparing a Class B fire (oil) to a Class D fire (reactive metal). On the Aircraft carrier I was on the only effective method we had to combat a Class D fire was to push it off the deck into the ocean.

    @schrodingersmechanic7622@schrodingersmechanic76226 ай бұрын

  • I'm glad you crushed that Mercedes for me. Such a deja vu, you don't believe it, my first car was exactly that 1985 model W124 with that exact same color paint. Miss that car. Glad it's in good hands now. ;)

    @psodq@psodq6 ай бұрын

  • I own a hybrid Toyota Avalon. Love the 40 MPG on it. Could fill up quick plus enjoy some benefits of EV

    @guadalupe8589@guadalupe85896 ай бұрын

  • i´m interested. do you guys do "normal" machining work also anymore or is it 100000% youtube only? is it like 50/50 or 90/10 or 99/1 or 100/0?

    @moonliteX@moonliteX6 ай бұрын

    • separately the firm and lauri too. i´m guessing the firm does quite a lot of machining but how about the percentage of income. and then separately lauri. does he ONLY do youtube as of an income?

      @moonliteX@moonliteX6 ай бұрын

  • Haha. My thoughts on hybrids exactly echoed here.

    @masterquake7@masterquake76 ай бұрын

  • No! Not the mini!

    @jasonw2671@jasonw26716 ай бұрын

  • After what happened in victoria the other day I can see why people can't get out. The scale of the fire even with these tiny models is insane

    @john_barnett@john_barnett6 ай бұрын

  • I liked the Science at 4:15

    @noitallmanaz@noitallmanaz6 ай бұрын

  • Given how far back most gas tanks are, I don't think the exhaust would be able to reach the -flash point- _ignition temp_ of gasoline... I could be wrong though!

    @DUKE_of_RAMBLE@DUKE_of_RAMBLE6 ай бұрын

    • Flash point is the wrong value. The flash point of gasoline is minus 43 C (that's minus 45 F) The value you want is auto ignition temperature, which is 280 C (536 F)

      @dougaltolan3017@dougaltolan30176 ай бұрын

    • @@dougaltolan3017 Oh, thank you!! ☺️

      @DUKE_of_RAMBLE@DUKE_of_RAMBLE6 ай бұрын

  • Some Li battery formulations are pyrophoric (combust when exposed to atmospheric oxygen). Others are different and won't ignite when broken open.

    @thedevilinthecircuit1414@thedevilinthecircuit14146 ай бұрын

  • What's an ewee🤔

    @Tezz42@Tezz426 ай бұрын

  • HELL YEAH BROTHER

    @WastdTrashPanda@WastdTrashPanda6 ай бұрын

  • Have you ever tried a Whoopie cushion?

    @marynettaabe9660@marynettaabe96606 ай бұрын

  • Big battery plus gas tank in intact car please.

    @ImmortalAbsol@ImmortalAbsol6 ай бұрын

  • Did you have that "gas tank" completely filled or left room for vapors to develop? Because the vapors are easier igniting than gasoline in its liquid form....

    @TheRealRedRooster@TheRealRedRooster6 ай бұрын

  • 105 people are married to their Tesla

    @iCanSeeWhatMostCant@iCanSeeWhatMostCant6 ай бұрын

  • what does liintapulkka mean or howevver it's spelled?

    @erikbongnilsson246@erikbongnilsson2466 ай бұрын

    • Linttapulkka is hard to translate. It kind of means a sled that slides. Its just a big backwheel drive car that is fun to drive espesially at wintertimes.

      @spertti@spertti6 ай бұрын

    • I'm from Sweden so I know exactly what you mean now :D Thx@@spertti

      @erikbongnilsson246@erikbongnilsson2466 ай бұрын

  • Kończą sie powoli pomysly na kanal 😮

    @jarekdoo@jarekdoo6 ай бұрын

  • Boa tarde amigo estamos juntos

    @luizcriadordegalooficial@luizcriadordegalooficial6 ай бұрын

  • both cars look uncomfortable

    @graceyc1084@graceyc10846 ай бұрын

  • there are a few videos of EVs igniting pretty violently

    @pankothompson5903@pankothompson59036 ай бұрын

    • have ever noticed the media don't even cover EV fires

      @rogerstlaurent8704@rogerstlaurent87046 ай бұрын

    • ​@@rogerstlaurent8704Huh? EV fires are the only car fires the media covers. Literally every EV fire gets massive coverage.

      @logitech4873@logitech48736 ай бұрын

  • Not the turbo brick Volvo! Oh the humanity!

    @droppedpasta@droppedpasta6 ай бұрын

  • Stop electric. Go diesel 😄

    @A_dasek@A_dasek6 ай бұрын

    • Diesel will catch on fire just like petrol, that is why there are so many diesel cars, buses and trucks on fire.

      @evelynanderson7955@evelynanderson79556 ай бұрын

    • ​@@evelynanderson7955 It usually burns longer. doesn't it? More like lamp oil.

      @FixingWithFriends@FixingWithFriends6 ай бұрын

  • For science.

    @lauxmyth@lauxmyth6 ай бұрын

  • Can i have permission to use your clips for my facts channel-

    @interworth_YT@interworth_YT6 ай бұрын

  • Love from Japan 🗾

    @TAKUMICHANNEL_OFFICIAL@TAKUMICHANNEL_OFFICIAL6 ай бұрын

  • Never park your car under a hydraulic press!

    @rtpoe@rtpoe6 ай бұрын

  • 👍

    @Jari1973@Jari19736 ай бұрын

  • Me watching this: :)) this is cool

    @Ghost500A@Ghost500A5 ай бұрын

  • Next you should crush a well-designed public transport system not built around private vehicles

    @SashaClaudeee@SashaClaudeee6 ай бұрын

  • As someone whoms only light in life is the fuel lamp, I dont have to worry to burn in my car 😂

    @imworldwide6175@imworldwide61756 ай бұрын

  • The Freeky Deeky Dutch

    @NickGiordano-zu4em@NickGiordano-zu4em6 ай бұрын

  • Goldmember

    @NickGiordano-zu4em@NickGiordano-zu4em6 ай бұрын

  • If you're ever in a car accident and you're lucky enough that your car DOESN'T catch on fire, beware of crazy Finns with blowtorches that will come by and set it aflame. :-)

    @GeekinTX@GeekinTX6 ай бұрын

  • How about a TNT-powered car?

    @danko6582@danko65826 ай бұрын

  • The additional 'help' made the test quite useless.

    @jec_ecart@jec_ecart6 ай бұрын

  • "Experience" not "Experiment" :D

    @DSCcolours@DSCcolours6 ай бұрын

  • If Heaven does not have a Hydraulic Press...it is not trying hard enough.

    @uncleal@uncleal6 ай бұрын

  • The question here is , is it smart to use water on a lithium battery fire?

    @jojobrow@jojobrow6 ай бұрын

  • You ever thought about pressing your own coins just saying come up with your own metal mix an make a diy whit your face or what ever just saying...👍👍👍

    @joshjones3408@joshjones34086 ай бұрын

  • Hino Truck made Hybrid Before toyota

    @TAKUMICHANNEL_OFFICIAL@TAKUMICHANNEL_OFFICIAL6 ай бұрын

  • Yeah, the environment is just fine. Screw the electric cars.

    @renterp@renterp6 ай бұрын

  • Gasoline doesn’t ignite in car crashes as much as people think

    @Fk8td@Fk8td6 ай бұрын

  • So battery plus gasoline is the worst combination lol

    @FixingWithFriends@FixingWithFriends6 ай бұрын

  • 😮😮😮😮

    @Kayrjan-@Kayrjan-3 ай бұрын

  • How about round 2 with a deisel car? Has a lower flash point so should be the safest... Edit: I ment to say higher

    @andyarchitect@andyarchitect6 ай бұрын

    • That would burn even more.

      @evelynanderson7955@evelynanderson79556 ай бұрын

    • Sorry...I meant to say higher 🤪😆

      @andyarchitect@andyarchitect6 ай бұрын

  • The biggest difference between the two is gas needs an ignition source to catch fire, while all you need for lithium batteries to catch fire is air. Gas can also be easily washed away, rendering the car safe, while batteries need to be completely immersed to not continuously reignite. Plus you have certain companies that completely ignored safety standards and made it so you either could not open rear doors without electricity or had to disassemble the door to pull a hidden release lever in order to get out of the back seat in an emergency.

    @Snufl@Snufl6 ай бұрын

  • My answer - diesel. 🤣

    @jec_ecart@jec_ecart6 ай бұрын

  • Now go and try a diesel. 😮

    @MaxMustermann-yj1wz@MaxMustermann-yj1wz6 ай бұрын
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