The Song of Achilles -Review
My review of the Song of Achilles by Madeline Miller!
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May I annoyomously recommend you do a review on Once Upon A Book, in a YA Choose your own quest (adventure) novel, by Faith Colleen Weaver?
It would be super lame to have to read this version in school in my opinion the original was a thousand times better
I love the review! I don’t especially love the link to Amazon. I know will be a bit more work, but links to independent bookstores that actually care about their staff (unlike Amazon) just go so much further to supporting the book reading community.
Casually dropping bi identification.... good on ya, Daniel!
What people come up with for views/subs... (It was already "dropped" on his Twitter a while ago)
Anyone who complains about this book not telling all of the illiad should just read the illiad and that’s it lol
I don't mind the book "remixing" the Illiad, but what I do mind is that most of the choices Miller made to deviate from the original epic served to make The Song of Achilles more misogynist, taking agency away from significant female characters and making them weak, helpless, pathetic, and manipulative plot devices. And let's not even get started on Miller's bisexual erasure...
They'll be disappointed there too. The Illiad doesn't even tell the whole story of the Trojan War. Most of the famous bits aren't even in it. The Judgement of Paris, the Trojan Horse, even the death of Achilles, none of it is actually in the Illiad.
Poetry doesn't really engage me, so I wish there was a good retelling out there. Sadly, this isn't it.
@@IzadoraKatarina I really didn't see the women that way. I think it was a realistic way to show how women would have been treated back then.
@@ilincabogza if even a guy from "back then" (Homer) managed to portray his female characters more respectfully than a 21st century "feminist", i think there is a problem...
I love this book. The writing style was gorgeous and the way Miller wrote Patroclus' devotion and love was beautiful. I however don't agree with you when you said that the flaws in the characters weren't obvious. They were blinding to me. The very fact that Patroclus looked and Achilles' actions with rose tinted glasses was a huge flaw in itself. Apart from that, Achilles' actions to me were unacceptable. They were as such when I read the Illiad the first time and I still say that now though this book actually managed to humanise his flaws more. For me, this book focused on how people can love even those who make huge mistakes. How love can blind you to them. How you keep loving that person despite what they do. You know it's not right, but that doesn't change how you feel. In my opinion Miller conveyed that brilliantly.
agreed
i couldn’t agree more ❤️
I completely agree. The prophecies were that Hector would be the death of Achilles, but Achilles was the death of Achilles and it was a very loud flaw that slapped us in the face in that chapter of the book. Amazing book either way. I really enjoyed it
@@ceciliamwanzah7429 Well, Hector was the internal death of Achilles when he killed Patroclus. But yeah, he only did that because Achilles was too proud
Disagree
I know you have reduced the number of reviews because they get fewer views but I just wanna say I absolutely love your reviews, they are my favorite videos of yours, I find many books from you, so I’m always excited to get more of these lol
What they said!! ^
Yeah..me too..but the only problem is that my TBR is so full..after watching more of the videos..
Agreed! Love these review vids
I agree! I´m also a fan of Merphy´s dual reviews
Yeah I think it’s to bad people in the book tuber community ironically won’t watch a book review but like unboxing videos wtf
Daniel says the book is good - Nice Daniel also says you should also go read the Iliad first - R E A L S H I T ? -B
It’s an indie book from ancient times. Super low key. Written by this guy Mr. Simpson.
@@DanielGreeneReviews yeah idk after reading Tolkien the Iliad seems kinda... derivative? Like, the world-building is so thin, why are there no elves or dwarves???
@@DanielGreeneReviews that yellow guy?
Omg, it's great to see that two of my favourite KZhead channels know each other
The retelling of Troy Story. Let's go. Honestly it was an interesting read. Though Daniel This book is kind of amazing in just how well they revised this. Though this is more like an Iliad side story. It's like the author asked "Remeber Achilles, the great unstoppable warrior, let's explore his love life". They made into a really engaging story. It's nice to see more lgbt+ representation in fantasy. Like with The Unspoken Name and the Ruin of Kings series.
Imagine having the balls to say "I'm gonna rewrite the Iliad" and succeeding. I'm so keen to give this a spin.
It is not a retelling it is just a romance with a greak historian paint
@@ericazahn9689 true and it's terrible.
@@redbloodbluemoon1423 definitely not
@@redbloodbluemoon1423 What part?
"and succeeding" lol most ppl in greece hate that book so
”I am made of memories” That is all.
Agreed
A life is a not lived unless it’s filled with memories.
"Speak, then."
"Circe" by the same author is also phenomenal... I feel her writing has tightened up even more (if that's even possible) since "Song of Achilles", and you get to see some characters in that book cameo here.
I loved Circe even more
I read Circe before this. In my humble opinion this is a million times better
I have to say, mythology is one of the reasons I like epic fantasy.
100 emoji. Recently got into epic fantasy thanks to Daniel. before that I was just scouring the Web for any kind of mythology I could find. Now I still do that, but with epic fantasy as well
Whenever you see “Worth the Hype?” in the thumbnail, you know it’ll either be really good or really bad.
and my pulse goes up a notch
All I know is that Madeline Miller got bank now 😹
I 10000% recommend checking out Circe after reading this one. It’s more of an original story and it’s GREAT
Yes! I really like SoA but Circe is somehow better, one of the best books I've read in the last 5 years
Circé comes from the Odyssey, same classical roots.
Circe is great
Man really need to check that one out, just haven't gotten around to it.
I read Circe first! I prefer it to SoA but both are great!
This book is known to tear hearts out. Can’t wait to read it soon!
Cersei is by the same author and is also really good.
I have tissues if you need them
Finished reading it 10 minutes ago and yes, my heart was torn out 😭
When I first read the illiad I didn't really like achilles, I thought he was overhyped and kind of a whiny little piss baby. After playing Hades and listening to achilles come down by gang of youths, my mind immediately changed and achilles became one of my favorite greek heroes and a character that I can relate surprisingly alot to. Excited to read this book and get another perspective on the character.
Never expected to see Gang of Youths mentioned on a Daniel Greene video, respect
I love that song! Thought I was the only one who listened to it
That song is honestly so amazing
That song and Hades were the things that got me to read the book and man am I so glad I did
have you had a chance to read it? id love to know how/if your perspective changed afterwards!
I swear to god, I just finished the book a minute ago and turned my laptop on to see the review pop up in my notifications!!! That's what I call one damned coincidence!
Don’t think I don’t see those books on their sides just above the skull, Daniel. Even worse, they’re stacked onto of books placed the proper way. You monster! What’s next, Funko Pops!?
There is another one below the skull! Why Daniel?
I bet he has a closet full of funko pops and its all a lie. Next he isnt a goblin :O
@@marocat4749 le gâsp!
Which books? I can't distinguish them
@@tamakikawaii There are some Dresden Files books on their sides stacked on top of the paperbacks. Looks more like maximizing available space than an aesthetic choice to me.
As. a Greek, this story has always been my fav
Huh! That’s really nice to hear for some reason.
Kalimera. That's as far as my Greek goes.
@@DanielGreeneReviews haha I grew up with stories encompassing a ton of Greek Myth - Hercules - Clash of Titans - Prometheus --- I guess my Geekness is how I connect with these tellings
**Greekness
@@milospollonia1121 I know the word 'malaka', that has to count, right?
Another great modern take on the Illiad is Troy by Stephen Fry. His Greek mythology series has quickly become one of my favorites, and he's far from shy about sexuality in ancient Greece.
yes!!! i loved reading troy after this
It's been a few years since I first read the song of achilles and I really liked it back then. A few weeks ago I decided to re-read it via audiobook. I don't know if it was because of the narrator, that I took more time reading it or if my english has gotten better over the years but I enjoyed it so much more this time around. Absolutely one of my all time favorites.
Glad to hear you enjoyed the audiobook experience. I've it sitting in my "save for next roadtrip" pile.
@@adamwoods6373 the narrator really does an amazing job in my opinion
Maybe it's because we know how important their memories together will be in the end, so it's even more emotional to see those memories being built.
Yeah, the audiobook narrator really suits the story; the only thing I didn't like was his voice for Achilles. I expected more of a clean sound from him, but otherwise the audiobook is an amazing way to experience The Song of Achilles while feeling fully immersed in the world.
I feel going in blind does change your experience, i didnt know this was a rewrite of another story until i looked it up (i dont read much mythology) but because of that mixed with my lack of mythological knowledge i had no clue who was expected to die, by the end i was torn to pieces because it was all a shock to me only adding to the enjoyment and heartbreak.
Yeah, for me, I knew nothing about the original story, so I was a little lost when it came to the politics and all the other Greek mythology character, but it was still enjoyable to read. I didnt know how the death would come in, but it broke me (in a good way, cause I love sad books)..I do think a re-read would be enjoyable and make more sense.
it's always so interesting for me to see the opinions of people who don't know much about mythology, i'm completely enamored with greek myths and read iliad and odyssey before SoA so i knew the prophecies etc and any time a character was introduced it felt like i'm meeting an old friend again which was so damn beautiful, but it also meant i was crying a lot in advance since i knew how everything would fall apart, but i still recommend people to read it completely blind without looking too much into it since that raw emotional exp of seeing the story unfold just seems like an emotional journey that you won't get anywhere else
I envy youuu
Daniel’s shirt is spectacular.
Agreed
I loved the book. The writing style is really immersive. That's what gravitated me to the book.
This book really affected me, I loved it. Excited to see what the goblin host thinks
This book utterly crushed me and made me feel more emotional than any other fictional work I have read. Last night, I sobbed my way through the last five chapters, running out of tears and inevitably finding more to shed. Madeline Miller's writing was phenomenally vibrant. As someone who was already familiar with Greek mythology, finishing each and every glorious chapter brought me greater feelings of dread for what I knew was coming. I think one of the reasons I found the book so powerful is that the dynamic of my own relationship is similar to that of Achilles and Patroclus in certain aspects, which led the twists and turns of the story to feel especially relatable.
I randomly found this book in a small bookstore 2 years ago, and I read it completely unknowing what the hell it was, except for the fact it was ancient greek inspired, but boy I was in for a treat. I ended up sobbing SO bad. It’s my favourite book of all time, and I definitely agree with the hype for once, but I feel like people are probably annoyed by this book. It’s literally EVERYWHERE. I don’t know what my experience reading it would be if I read it during the hype, but I’m really glad I went into it knowing absolutely nothing. I highly recommend doing that if you can!
I preferred Circe, but Song of Achilles inspired me to finally read through the Iliad. Shout out to Overly Sarcastic Productions for sparking my interest in the classics.
this is one of my favorite books ever and i am so happy you enjoyed it! personally i had a hard time finding flaws while reading because i was so invested emotionally in the characters but looking back i would say that the pacing could potentially be an issue, though that is the only criticism i have. you'd think knowing the end would make it less impactful but no, i cried my little heart out with the last chapter
The standards of the Goblin is finally a thing, and you are carrying them right
Regayafication is now my favourite term ever
As an LGBT person, you made me feel so happy and welcome in this community and I thank so much for that.
People don’t care about your sexuality
This is not directly related to the review but as someone who has been a subscriber for years and kinda come to see you as a role model for positive masculine ideal and just, in general, a human with qualities I'm striving for you mentioning your bisexuality just means a lot to me. Anyways if you're actually seeing this have a good day Daniel and know that I really appreciate what you do :)
Didn't he say he was straight in other videos
@@MohamedRamadan-qi4hl and then in this video he said "recently realized" As in he's come out recently. Since those videos.
@@lucaleone4331 where
@@MohamedRamadan-qi4hl what do you mean where? Like where did he come out as bi? I don't follow him that closely but I saw something on Twitter a couple months ago.
@@MohamedRamadan-qi4hl he didn't make a big deal of it.
Patroclus with his pure innocence makes Achilles what he is. Even Thetis has to admit that at the end. The book was wonderfully written and kept the pace. Will read Circe next as many have pointed it out on the comments
So glad you liked it this much!!! I read it last year and thoroughly enjoyed it. What you said about the narrative lens blinding and clarifying the character of Achilles hits so true to me. I didn't think of it that way, but that's why I love it so much. You really, really feel the love in the narrative.
This book is one of my favorites of all time. I recommend looking up the author talking about it. It is truly fascinating. I’m currently reading her second book Circe. I heard that its even better, and from what Ive read so far it does seem to be. Definitely recommend
Circe is so good. Like WOW so good.
I read Song of Achilles three years ago in my holidays at the Amalficoast, Italy. Somehow the beaches, the nature and the sunny, hot weather around me made this an even more intense reading experience. Guess I loved this book even more because of it. And oh my forking god the end. Just by thinking about it my hearts starts to hurt again.
I really loved this book, and I'm glad you liked it so much! It's been a while since you've reviewed a book I've read, and I was so excited to see what you had to say! Loved this review
It's YA, isn't it?🤔
@@ChristmasLore I'd say so
It's gonna be hard to 'go in blind' when it's a retelling of one of the most well known classics.
This was one of the books I studied at university, and I can definitely see why it's on the reading list. Despite it not fitting into my tastes in some ways, the quality of the writing and the way that the craft is evident on the page really cements this as a book that writers can learn something from.
I don't understand tiktok but I work in a book store and love how it makes great books like this get more love
I’ve noticed tik tok either pushes really good or really not so good book recommendations lol
Zero middle ground lol
@@claritzaaboy5287 exactly. Like no offense, but I hated we were liars and that book was hyped to hell on BookTok
This is one of my favorites and I'm so glad you reviewed it!!!! And on top of that I'm so happy that you liked it. I genuinely think it is so beautiful and tragic and it rekindled my middle school era Percy Jackson fueled love for Greek mythology haha
this is my favorite book of all time, i'm so glad you enjoyed it Daniel! i read it for the first time when i was 17, and it set my heart on fire. and it still hits 7 years later.
This book was amazing but I loved Circe even more. Perdita Weeks narrated the audible version, and its just *chef's kiss.*
I second reading Circe! I couldn't put it down, and the prose was beautiful.
After TSOA i was ready to read any book Madeline Miller wrote, and when I heard about Circe I waited so patiently to get my hands on it 🥰 Was not disappointed, just exceptional writing.
Seriously the narration in the audio book was soooooo goodd
@@MeghanmarinePrior It's probably my favorite narration so far! It's absolutely incredible.
I know you have reduced book reviews, and I understand why but its always nice to watch one from you, whether to add books to my TBR or to hear your thoughts on books I love, so even if its a while from now I'll look forward to the next one.
"Telling it in a modern prose with a much more modern approach." I don't know why but that sounds like a rhyming verse.
"Something, something something, put me in coach." ... This is why I'm not a writer...
@@MKTraxel 😂🤣
@@MKTraxel 😂🥲
I read this book about a year ago and I‘m still thinking about it. It was an emotional journey I wasn‘t prepared for, but I loved every second of it. Great review!
Circe by Madeline Miller is amazing as well, I highly recommend it! Great video btw
This ties with Hadestown as retellings of Greek myths in which I know the ending but it still destroys me anyways
This is one of my favorite books. I’m glad you got to experience it. I hope that you can do more book reviews. As a new fantasy (adult) reader, your reviews have been so helpful to me because I didn’t even know where to start. So thanks for that! Btw, I’m patiently waiting on more John Gwynne reviews 👀
I read this while i was studying the Iliad at school, and it made me fall in love with the Iliad more than I expected to. Plus my teacher got really excited when she found out I'd read it
glad reviews are back. nice job!
Can’t believe this timing! I started the book yesterday afternoon & couldn’t put it down; already over halfway through lol. This video was a nice surprise to wake up to; now looking forward to finishing it even more.
Omg 😱 I have been secretly waiting for this for sooo long! Daniel reviewing TSOA? 🤭 it is my all time favorite book so thank you! Sad the review are getting less views but those who watch them… we are here ;) and really appreciate them. I also understand why you recommend people to read the Iliad before TSOA (being a person who has never read the Iliad).
I absolutely loved this book!!! I am happy to know you liked it!
Your book reviews are my fav videos of yours!
This book is easily in my top 10 list. I never thought this would be a book you would review on your channel, but im so thrilled to see you talk about it! I feel like you handled this review critically but with respect. Thank you for including lgbt narratives on your platform!
Never thought you'd review this one! It's my favourite book so I'm glad you enjoyed it. Appreciate the larger conversations you touched upon with modernising classics and the re-gayification of ancient greece.
I loved this book! It's definitely one of my favorites and I'm so glad that you enjoyed it as well.
Big agree here, the story was good, makes a good modern companion piece to the Iliad but the level of emotion people were selling this book on was way overstated especially if you're already aware of the Iliad
The fact that you were so respectful of booktok means a lot. Thank you.
Thank you for this! This book is popular with my students and I’m so relieved it’s really good. It’s been on my list and maybe I’ll be able to read it soon.
I read " Circe " by Madeline Miller, and I absolutely loved it!
I read separate parts of the Illiad when I was younger- maybe around the age of 6 or 7, so while reading the song of Achilles, I was able to enjoy it to its fullest. I was aware of every name mentioned in the book and their stories, such as Orpheus being able to make trees weep. I loved the book as a whole and would personally give it 10 out of 10. I hope some people agree with me;;
Both of Madeline Miller’s books are in my Top 10 Favorites so I’m hella excited to see what you thought about this
I absolutely love the use of Patroclus' POV in order to humanize Achilles, and it didn't even occur to me that someone could potentially read it without any prior knowledge of Achilles and have to read through the lines to find his flaws. Achilles always came off to me in other iterations as a whiny man-baby. He's a demigod who knows he's better than everyone else and throws demi-godly temper tantrums because other people get in his way, and throws his life away in the name of glory. Going in with that perspective, it was an amazing feat of writing to have an author convince me he was loveable.
Thanks for making this review!! This book is one of my all time favorites.
When Achilles said "what has hector done to me" or something along those lines, I knew for a fact that this will make me cry and it did.
I'm so happy you gave this book a chance. It's just amazing and respectful and complete.
Hello Daniel, Thank you for reviewing this book, I read it last year and was incredibly moved. I'll explain why in a moment because first, you said "my recently realized bi-ness" and I wanted to take a second to honor that as self-acceptance can be hard enough for some but to then add to it that you are sharing this on a public platform where you have an audience of hundreds of thousands of people is incredibly brave. Well done you.
I'm a relatively new subbie and may I say, I very much love how you articulate your thoughts. These review videos seem fun (this is my first of the kind on your channel) and I enjoy how you approached it! And, you've got beautiful eyes 😁
I love The Iliad and have been so hesitant of this book because I was worried it was just a poor retelling. Thanks for the additional information, it’s now on my towering TBR list. Also, congratulations! Ok bi!!
I think another benefit of reading the Iliad first/being familiar with the story is that it provides an underlying narrative tension that can be lost going in blind. Like, when you're reading about all of the peaceful and beautiful things happening in their childhood and on Pelion, you know that everything is leading to the trojan war. These times will not continue, and it adds an element of preciousness. Like, SPOILER there's so much tension in when Patroclus puts on Achilles' armour because the way it's written it feels so powerful and so good and so satisfying, but there's the tension of KNOWING what happens to Patroclus. I've heard people complaining that the book doesn't have a plot, and it's really just vignettes of their relationship, but knowing the story of the Iliad really eases that. Even though I do feel like it's the POINT that it's a collection of memories, because the book is what Patroclus is showing to Thetis at the end. UGH such a well crafted narrative.
Great review! You should check out Circe, the author’s 2nd novel, which is an amazing epic fantasy story also based in mythological Greece. I enjoyed it much more than Song of Achilles, though the latter is fascinating and refreshing on all the levels you mentioned.
Absolutely love your book review, you are my favorite book tuber and reviewer by far.
Late to this video as I was living in a land without WiFi. But thank you so much for this review. I literally finished this book last week so this is timely. I loved this book so much. I am obsessed with Miller's prose her writing is just so beautiful. She has this way of talking about time passing that allows you to feel the weight of the years without getting dogged down in them. You should definitely read Circe if you enjoyed this. I think Miller is quite possibly a new favourite author of me and I will be reading everything she ever writes
It’s so refreshing to see book reviews, definitely subscribing
Was waiting for the video since seeing you buying the book on Instagram story
I have been dying to read this book! Thank you for reviewing!
Ugh loved this review 🙌 You made many points that I bobble-head nodded in agreement too
I know this doesn’t have anything to do with the book but I just wanna say that you being openly Bi sort’ve cheered me up today- I look up to you and love your videos so knowing we have something like that in common makes me really happy! Idk if that made sense but anyways- great video as always!
Combating bi erasure ftw!
@@andrew20146 didn't he say he was straight in other videos
@@MohamedRamadan-qi4hl He did. Being bi is confusing and people tend to realize it later in life.
ah, i love this book! it has a special place in my heart. madeline miller also wrote the novel circe which is (subjectively) even better - i’d be interested to hear your thoughts.
Miller's prose is what always keeps me coming back to this book (and Circe). It's so elaborate, and flowery, and just sucks you right in. I feel it's the perfect prose for an emotionally charged story like this.
i am really happy that you liked this and i definitely feel your criticisms were valid. i also agree that maximum enjoyment of it is derived if you're at least familiar with the iliad but increases if you've actually read it
it’s been years since i’ve read this because i’m not strong enough for tragic love stories so idk if i can reread it lol but i personally love all the hype it’s getting now and i’m so glad you enjoyed it
I listened to Song of Achilles and Circe on audiobook... I cried for both of them. Such great books.
I literally was about to start this book. Glad to see this.
Daniel, have i told you how much i love that after having filmed you feel the need to add something or say it differently because something popped up in your head and you start walking around in your house talking to yourself. I love that. I relate to that. I'm here for it.
I read this a few months ago and I'd have to say it's one of my favourite books of all time ❤️ your review is spot on Would definitely agree you need to know the Iliad to fully appreciate the Song of Achilles, or fantasy in general, really
Oh man, I love this book! I'm glad you got a chance to read it
Glad you're feeling better
Just finished this book and I agree with everything you said. This book had me in a chokehold 😭 the writing style drew me in immediately and Miller’s retelling felt like exactly the kind of retelling of this specific part of the Iliad I hoped for. Circe, by the same author, is next on my list!
I think this is one of the most beautiful books I’ve ever experienced. Before I started I rewatched Troy and pulled my old memory files of the Iliad. I was actually excited to see how the author was going to get to the same fate of the story and it’s characters. And, knowing what would eventually come, I was constantly nervous.
This sounds really interesting. Thanks for the review. And what is that painting in your hallway? I love it, it's gorgeous!
you should read circe as well, very solid and original retelling
I adored it. I stumbled onto Madeline Miller's writing style with Circe first, and then went back to Song of Achilles. This book is so beautiful, and is one of the few books that has made me ugly cry.
Daniel has convinced me to read the Iliad. Not something I expected but this was the tipping point so that’s cool
great review! SoA is one of my favourites, though I am a greek mythology nerd so obviously i would love it. For me it's one of my all time highest rated. I'm glad you touched on how Patroclus perception of Achilles is skewed, and his flaws are harder to see in this version. Personally I really like that becuase its so true to life, people really seem to have their blinkers on when theyre in love. It didn't occur to me that some people wouldn't like that, but there you are. I think if people are looking for a more battle, political, overarching narrative of troy heavy version of the iliad, Stephen Fry's TROY might be the one to try (currently reading it, so maybe it's just in the forefront of my mind rn). He uses the iliad, as well a supplementary texts to give him a very in depth look at the entire story and Fry gives interesting commentary about tid-bits, but personally SoA gets my vote every time. The prose are just so good. Flowery but not to the point of ridiculousness. Everytime I see a fig I get this really strong image in my mind of Achilles biting into a fig. Not many story make me visualise to that degree. If you liked SoA, you should try Madeline Miller's new novel Circe!
I loved this book, and it's one of the few books recommended on it's level that lives up to the hype. It works on so many levels and for so many types of readers- it's great for fantasy readers, historical fiction readers, and romance readers. It's also the type of book that I would give to a reader who hasn't read much fantasy but wants to get into the genre
I loved this book. One advantage I think I had is that I listened to the audiobook and Frazer Douglas does a remarkable job giving nuance to some of Patroclus's thoughts. The dialogue is well done too. I can highly recommend it for people who are busy with chores. It's 11 hours and 15 minutes. I've listened to it 3 times and I still cry every time.
I just started that book! I'm only half way through it, and its interesting at least
Great review! Unexpected. I suspect you’d like her book Circe too. It’s memorable and I loved reading more about her and other gods.
I'd love to hear what you think about Circe as well