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In this video I'm going to show you why there's a place for all types of woodworking joinery!
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00:00 I've needed this for a while
00:33 Wood, Meet Glue
02:17 The biggest problem
02:32 Screwing around
03:36 This is perfect for cabinetry
07:33 Knocking it down
08:25 Only for REAL woodworkers
11:38 Old school is cool
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Well done - clear, concise, and without an agenda. I get really tired of the "forget what you know", "weird trick", or "the only way to do this" videos. The key to good woodworking is to understand the different options, choose appropriately, have the proper tools, and use the tools and materials correctly.
"You're being misled about woodworking joinery" is in the same category...
Your comment, "Where the enjoyment of the process and the craftmanship are just as important as the final piece itself", really hit home. I'm retired, I can take all the time I want and really appreciate an air-tight joint at every corner. My friends seem confused at my thousands of $$$ of tools in the shop, but they find me calmly hand sawing, chiseling, planing, etc. Thanks for verifying my obsession. I subscribed to see more of your clear, common sense approach to woodworking.
Thanks for your support and the kind words as well! ❤️
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Yes a 10 point finished saw is a joy to use when it's razor sharp like the old Disston or Sandvik and of course Nicholson there all good handsaws which I don't believe you can buy new anymore I sharpened and set my own and have been using them for years of course I still use modern tools but I enjoy using old school more so 75 and retired still working in my shop though well enough of my rambling on you all have a Goodyear
Yep. I wanted a new dovetail saw. My old gents saw was always too small. I looked for a long time. I finally found Florip ToolWorks. He hand-builds saws in Michigan. Great saw. I ordered mine with a beautiful cherry handle. Long waiting time, however. Thx. @@kd9856
"Take the pleasure in the making of, rather than the having." Retired life-long cabinetmaker/furniture maker/yacht joiner here. I'm 6 years into building our last house with my wife.
Great video. This is the most comprehensive outline of the types of modern joinery and pros and cons of each that i think could possibly be explained in such a short video. Packed with info, but still paced well & thorough. Great work.
A very good straight forward video. I used mortise and tenon construction to build a cherry wood butler's table for my wife. I used this construction for all legs and cross brace and biscuits for the table top to help align the boards. No screws were used in the final assembly which has a clean look throughout. I also use the Quarter-Quarter-Quarter System when making drawers, too.
This is one of the best videos I've seen on comparing the different types of joinery. THANK YOU! You're an excellent teacher/explainer - well done!
He is. I already knew this as a pro cabinetmaker. He explained it thoroughly and in a way than anyone interested in woodworking can understand.
Thank you for your video. I really enjoy your style of delivery and your explanations of things. I’ve enjoyed all of them and really miss the days 20 years ago of building stuff in my shop. From rough stock to finished furniture, I just don’t have time anymore. It’s always fun to enjoy something vicariously, have a blessed 2024.
Thank you Dale!
This is an exceptional video for me. Working part time at Rockler I've needed a better ways to explain joinery and this video is so insightful. Delivery, clarity and comprehensiveness are excellent.
Hi Larry!
KYLE! Have to show you my latest guitar build for Gloria Anderson. She is doing a show in San Antonio on February 10th. @@KyleCoignet
Thank you for the joinery tutorial. I've seen them before but applications weren't explained as well as you did. Thanks again. I appreciate it!
Brilliant video! Very informative, glad there was no music and not too much silly stuff with video clips. Well done!
Thank you for the joinery tutorial. I've seen them before but applications weren't explained as well as you did. Thanks 👍 again. I appreciate it! 😊😊❤❤
Thanks!
Great video. There is a jointing method for each application. I like how you explained each method and the pro’s and cons.
I built a Fish Tank stand with pocket holes 9 years ago. Still standing. Although the construction grade wood has warped a little. I watched one of those "joint strength videos" and then made sure there was enough strength in the joints well passed the weight that was going to be applied.
What a refreshingly simple video!! Wish I had seen something like this 20 years ago :D My 2c for beginners: Given enough leverage, even solid welded metal joints will break. Trees, buildings, bridges do fall down. Its just physics. Invest sufficient time on your design. The shape of your furniture, the material used and overall fit&finish will dictate its overall strength & durability. The "type" of joint used is insignificant, Provided everything is put together properly with basic precautions. (Glue Joints between uneven surfaces/With air gaps will almost certainly fail. Long tables without a supported middle will tend to sag.) Each load-bearing piece of wood must be attached at 2 points bare minimum, 3 for optimal strength. Use triangular shapes or brace the corners using 45 degree wood offcuts/store bought metal brackets. For example, Cantilevered legs affixed only to the table top are weaker compared to legs with a simple stretcher across. This is true regardless of the type of fastener/glue/joint used in either case. For maximum speed, Use wood glue + brads with the above method. If you dont own an air compressor or avoid using brads (Kids!!), Use Glue + Screws along with a portable drill. If you work alone, use epoxy adhesive to avoid glue-ing anxiety. (No clamps required in either method) A ridiculous number of channels use Glue and Brads and Clamps and Screws. This is redundant, wasteful and utterly pointless. Where disassembly may be required, Use only fasteners without glue. (Drywall screws, Chipboard screws, D-Nuts, Furniture bolts, etc. Again, no clamping required) If you are making good looking traditional furniture, By all means invest in a hundred clamps, Cut some nice tenons, use lots of glue, Put a drawbore through, etc etc. Remember, This is where the journey matters as much as the destination. Above all, Screw the rules & have fun building stuff!!
As a wise man once said: "strength in arches"
Great video, I have a 'clamp on' pocket hole jig, but can also use this jig for dowels when using the correct bit. I can see this setup holding up to furniture type assembly in most cases. Thanks for the video!
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Great. Thanks. Excellent balance of emphasis on what joint for which project and why.
Thanks for watching 😃
I use all the joints that mentioned, i love making my own tenons for the domino and exposing them usually with a darker or lighter wood to accentuate the joint. I'm a tool junky and have been since was i was 12 years old, i recently splurged for a Lamello Zeta P2 (crazy expensive) which is a tool that most woodworkers don't need, but again, im addicted! It works like a plate jointer, but uses special connectors that i have used with and without glue depending on the application. Great video, thanks for sharing!
I love the way you store all the accu drills
The best bring it all together wood joinery video I have ever seen. Thank you very much for making. I will be purchasing from MWA soon.
Good video. You mentioned that dowels have been used for a very long time. Mortise and loose tenon joinery was used back in ancient Egypt. Multiple purposes including aligning/joining the tops and bottoms of wooden coffins. Dominos and other tooling makes it far faster and makes precision easy, but the joint itself is ancient.
Truth!
Good content! You brought a huge amount of information in a short time, and covered a very wide topic with good information. Keep up the great videos. Your sponsor should be happy with the results here.
So glad you find the value in my content!
Man, this video made my day! I appreciate the clear and concise info but especially loved the hilarious and perfectly appropriate film and prop (Capt. America!) inserts. Nicely done, sir!
What an excellent presentation! Thank you Sir!
This is a good video, very well presented! I actually followed it all, learned a bit, and will be making better decisions about doing my joining in the future! New subscriber is born!!!
This is such a great, well presented video. That was a lot of well organized information and your presentation style is great! Thank you!
Always enjoy watching your videos.. both incredibly informative and entertaining!! Thank you!
Thanks for the kind words, Jay! Appreciate you buddy!
Great video! I use all of these methods and the simple trick is as you said, deciding which one is right for the job.
Glad it was helpful!
This is a great video explaining some the basic joinery and some of the tools to use in modern woodworking. At 10:35 you have gotten to ( IMHO ) the best part, AND NOW YOU GET TO THE PART OF THE VIDEO WHERE YOU DISCUSS REAL WOODWORKING! I retired in June of 2023, after being trained and employed at an architectural woodworking company since November of 1973. The pride of creating a work of beauty using minimal power tools, along with the skill of using minimal hand tools, while creating something that will out live the person creating it, is what I strived for my whole working life. Joinery as you discussed, like mortice and tenons, dados, blind dados, half laps, rabbit, dovetailing, splines, lock miters and tongue and grooves may take a bit of time to execute properly. But when you get it right, you know it and you can own it! That pride far outweighs the speed and sterilization of current modern woodworking. Woodworking that is relying on expensive tools, that may in fact, not be able to duplicate the look and quality from the old days. Modern woodworking might be a good place to start for those with money to burn on tools, and no time spare. But the pride of the craftsmanship is not the same, and maybe totally lacking. But once you master using a sharp hand plane along with a sharp chisel with a wooden mallet, time takes a backseat to your pride that grows with each project you complete! Remember that I am retired and have lots of time to throw at my own projects. I also know what I like, and I know how to get there. Again this is a great teaching video. KEEP UP THE GOOD WORK.
Don't worry once AI retires all of us we can all bond around the joys of hand made furniture!
Not enough adjectives: great, brilliant, concise…Thank you for the best joinery video I’ve seen. You covered all the types of joints and their uses, and their costs. THANK YOU! You have demystified joinery. Now I have to decide to pony up for a domino machine or learn to make mortises and tenons. I’m working on lap- and half-lap joints now.
Good video with clear explinations highlighting only what is really necessary. 👍
Great video showing all the different ways to join too peace’s of wood together thanks for sharing
Thanks Jim!
A perfectly executed tutorial thanks
I’ve watched some New Yankees workshop episodes recently and Norm used pocket holes. It’s interesting how they get such a bad rap. Pocket holes is how I got started in joinery. I personally hate using them now. BUT… it’s not because of the typical issues. Of course…I don’t like how your joint can wander as you screw them in. But for me, it’s about how the pocket hole is made. I have broken both my wrists at different times in my life and I just have weak wrists. If I have very many pocket holes the drilling of the holes starts to become painful in my wrists. I tried the dowel thing. But I now believe I got a cheap one that wasn’t worth the money. It was just as hard to use on my wrists and since it was cheap… getting accurate alignment wasn’t easy. But now I have a domino. I can’t imagine trying anything else after using it. I absolutely love it. I have thought that if I were to do pocket holes… it would be the one you use by castle. Or the Kreg foreman. But probably the Castle. THanks for sharing this video. Lots of good info.
The Castle machine is a step up for pocket holes. Removes a lot of the common issues.
Good video. New woodworkers, if you use pipe clamps protect the wood from pipe staining when gluing up!
Good tip!
Use the galvanized pipes. Its better. However, its the metal and water in the glue that makes a stain. Just like a putty knife and water based putty. Best way is to keep pipe away from glue by using spacers or use tape where the glue is.
And don’t over-tighten. You dont want to starve the joint by squeezing out all of the glue, or bowing the board with too much clamp pressure. Additionally, it’s always a good practice to alternate the clamps (top and underside) if at all possible.
This is a very informative video on a topic that has a lot of things to talk about. You made a comment early on when talking about pockethole joinery that there's a time and place for it. Well, that can be said for every type of joinery you mentioned in the video. As with many other aspects of woodworking (or many other crafts), the trick is knowing when and where to apply the proper technique. That would be a great follow-up to a video like this.
Ha, that was the point of THIS video to explain what type of project each joinery type is good for 😂 maybe I didn't make that clear enough.
Excellent joint ideas. Shop and compare is a great concept.
As usual, great video. I have learned so much from you. Please, keep those videos coming!
Great info. Thanks for your time producing.
Thanks for watching!
Enjoyed the video. One of the highest quality dowel jigs is the Dowelmax. Machined precision and very versatile.
Agreed. I use mine all the time. It does a super job. Not cheap but definitely worth the cost.
Very informative. I learned a great deal from this video, but as a hobby woodworker in a small garage shop, I'm only making small stuff now & don't usually need the strength some joints have however, I'm still going to use them just because it's a bit of a challenge for me.
Very useful video. Well done and thumbs up. I would have added one thing. When talking about using biscuits you should let people know that they are made from compressed beech, which an extremely strong wood. When used with water based glues they swell up inside the slot cut by the biscuit machine making for a very strong joint. In fact, one video did a test between dowel and biscuit joints and discovered that one biscuit is stronger than a two dowel joint in wood of the same dimensions. Your video was well thought out.
i never do this, but i gotta tip my hat at that thumbnail. ive never seen a better way to draw the eyes of people who want to learn.
I think we were about to send out and SOS for you. Thanks for the upload. I always look forward to them. I’ve been here and will be here to see this channel continue to grow. Hope your holidays were great and your new year is off to a good start!
Thanks for watching our for me! Life's been crazy, big changes coming soon!
Thanks. Very informative. I actually worked in a cabinet factory years ago (1970), but not as skilled labor. I was at the end of the production line dong a quick QC, and organizing the (mostly kitchen) cabinets by by job in the warehouse. The guys in the paint booth were usually high, so I had to fix a lot of their sloppy work, which usually just meant wiping off the top coat with acetone, and reapplying a clear coat of spray polyurethane. I miss the 1970s chemicals.
Great Video Brother.! I've been using the dowel method for a few decades, and not that 'you can't teach an ol'dog new tricks,' I simply ain't at the point of needing a Festool jointer. But they're undeniably cool should I ever get to that point, and I can roll the purchase over into the job.😎🤓🤠
I enjoyed your video. First time watching. Years ago I stopped using nails in my projects. Screws take longer but do a better job and I don’t have to listen to the Bang, Bang, Bang of the hammer. And I can play my classical music and enjoy it without interruption as I work. Thank you for mentioning dowels and their related cousins. For many projects I use dowels only and no screws. I subscribed.
Thank you. Great info and entertaining. Pragmatic!
I built a stand to hold my ice maker, bottled water, and a 5 gallon water jug on top. I used biscuits on the side frames, and pocket screws to on the cross boards to hold them together. It's held up flawlessly for years. Still, I clicked on the video because I'm always interested in finding out more, I loved your insights.
Nice, balanced discussion. I recently saw a presentation showing that for a number of typical wood species, tapping a given machine thread (e.g. 10-32) provides more pull-out resistance than threaded inserts for the same size screw. There was also a wear test: even after 10's of dis+reassemble cycles the tapped holes did extremely well. I admit this took me by surprise, but, in retrospect, does make some sense. Nice because - as you mentioned - the inserts aren't free. A single tap is less expensive than inserts for even one project in many cases. One other factor you didn't get into except for the super-expensive pocket joiner: the difficulty of precisely aligning joints during assembly varies wildly among the different methods.
Great video. Very informative. Thanks
I built a 4x6 foot box shelf for my sister-in-law, 15 years ago, using biscuits, screws and glue. Still holding up perfect, even when it was moved to a new house, 3 states away.
Excellent points, excellent overview.
You are a Master at teaching, great video! Thanks!
hey thanks Paul! That's HIGH praise!
I glue wood then use screws. After wood dry I remove screw and drill hole and insert dowels. Looks good
I use screws as "clamps" all the time. Great option if its appropriate for the project!
Excellent video. I just saw a few of yours and am a new subscriber so thank you for the content. Like a lot of people I’m particular about my joinery. I don’t use a biscuit ever because they can be finicky and don’t provide any strength. I have a love for festool products, except one, the domino. Not that it’s a bad tool or even its price although that does factor in slightly. I just really love the dowelmax. I have yet to find something that the domino does that the dowelmax can’t. And the domino isn’t as point and shoot as you might think. There are a lot of adjustments needed for certain situations. The worst part of the dowelmax is figuring out which shim to use. Other than that it’s just line up your check marks clamp and drill. It’s not a cheap tool either especially when you add the accessories and different size dowels, but it is still cheaper than the domino, as are the dowels cheaper than the domino dowels. You can also get them more places. I really wish more content creators would include it in their videos. I like that you are including the castle pocket hole system more in your videos. That should catch on too. Good work. Keep it coming
I also have a Dowel Max. Very good tool.
Pantorouter and M&T joints are awesome! Fast too!
nice and clean shop, chapeau!
Excellent tutorial!
Glad you liked it!
Wonderful! Thank you
Somewhere on KZhead is a video by Matthias Wandel where he uses a standard dowel jig on the face of a board by simply clamping it to what is basically a T-square and clamping THAT in place.
Yeah I have no doubt Mathias figured out a very clever way to get the job done!
Super informative. Thank you!
Thanks! Glad it helped you!
0:19 Love the Highlander reference! 😁
Ha! You know how long I've been waiting to pull that one out?! 😂
I've had a few close calls in the past, and I've learned the importance of wearing Softgle.
Really well done video!
Excellent video, very clear and informative. The only thing I would take issue with is that early in the video (at 2:42) you showed putting a screw into end-grain. While this is strong initially (just try pulling such a joint apart), if the joint is subject to any kind of movement, those screw threads begin nibbling away at grain that is running lengthwise between adjacent threads of the screw. I have seen many failed joints where the screws pulled out with the gaps (or gullets) between their threads jammed full of the sheared-off wood. A sharp nail, on the other hand, does not, when driven into end grain, compress a plug of wood forward as it penetrates. Rather, the wood is compressed to the sides as the point of the nail forces it aside. In sound stock this compressed wood keeps squeezing back on the shaft if the nail, ideally gripping it tightly for a long time, even if the joint is subject to movement. Anyhow, thanks or the fine (and without an axe to grind) video.
Gained a sub mate... best advice video on the basics of Joinery that I've encountered... perfect for a weekend workshop warrior like myself. Many thanks.
You are the most intelligent sensible guy to explain higher cost vs limited time for DIY!!
Ha thanks!
I've had woodworkers to tell me that some joinery methods are just wrong and should not be used, such as biscuits. I find that the skill level of a woodworker and the project together may well dictate the methods used and this presentation opens up a nice list of options for us to try. Some of these I'd not heard of before seeing this video, and I think I know places where I'd be able to use them. Thanks for this well done explanation of joinery methods!
Yep there's a lot of people who are in the "there's only one way" camp. Glad I could help you see otherwise! 😁
Thank you for the summary. I never trust anyone who claims there's only one solution (which happens to be theirs).
Truth!
Really fantastic bunch of information, dude! Thanks a lot! 😃 Stay safe there with your family! 🖖😊
Thanks brother!
With the use of the clip from Highlander you got my thumbs up. Also the information was very useful.
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Very well done sir, I’d only add vis a vis the traditional joints that they needn’t be cut by hand, I get very good results from a dovetail jig and a router, one of those things that makes me look like a much better woodworker than I really am. With the right jig all things are possible!
Oh yeah I never do it by hand
Great overview. Since I got my dowelmax, that's been my go-to for the vast majority of my projects. I do still like box joints a lot though; they always look amazing. If I didn't have the dowelmax, I'd have a domino for sure.
I hear the dowelmax is a good tool. Don't have one myself tho.
@@MWAWoodworks It and the jessem you have are really the cream of the crop when it comes to dowel jigs and you can't go wrong with either. I went for the dowelmax because of the integral clamping but would have been just as happy with the jessem I'm sure.
I like the Jessem a lot. I just don't use dowels enough anymore so I don't keep up with all the jigs out there.
Is there a reason doweling joiners are hardly recommended? I usually see doweling jigs like the one you showed and the domino joiner recommended but doesn't a tool similar to a grizzly dual spindle corded doweling joiner accomplish the same as a domino albeit not as strong of a joint?
@@christophercharba1891 I haven't done a ton of research on those, but from what I have done, the ones at the jessem/dowelmax price range are generally not very accurate or reliable. You'd have to spend a good bit more to get a half decent machine.
Excellent comparison of the various jointing methods available to woodworkers. Yes, the rhino-testing of the different options are fun to watch, but in real world applications, more often than not, the strongest joint possible is not always necessary. I'm pretty sure, if I owned a Domino, I'd use it all the time - if only to justify the purchase - but for joints that are not going to be seen, well, IMHO, it will always be glue and screw. Okay, it won't be pretty, or impressive, but it will do the job just fine! Thanks for taking the time to share.
A beautiful Workshop.
I build solid body Guitars so screws were obviously not an option when I was deciding what type of joinery to use to glue up the body blanks. I don't need a lot of strength, so just glue would work, but I wanted to avoid fighting alignment issues while clamping. The final decision was made simple when a friend/fellow woodworker offered me a Porter Cable Biscuit joiner (and a bag of 200 #20 biscuits) for $40.
perfect!
I find biscuits to be pretty strong for cabinet carcasses with plywood butt joints. Because of how wide they are they if you were to rack the box they don't tear right through the material like screws or smaller dominos. But really, a cabinet gets its strength in that direction from the back and the face frame. Pocket holes for carcass joinery are really a waste - the only time I'd do this is if there was an exposed side on a lower cabinet not being covered by a panel, which is to say almost never in a run of cabinets. Great for face frames of course which is their only real use case for me other than relatively quick and inexpensive trim joinery, like flush wainscoting or something.
Interesting take 🤔
@MWAWoodworks to clarify a bit, if I care how the side looks that's what end panels are for, but I see people building entire banks of cabinets with pocket holes, spending time drilling holes and clamping parts together when all you really need to do is tack pieces together with some staples and countersink screws from the outside. If alignment is a concern you can't beat biscuits unless you like spending more money and time using dominos. And that's not me being a festool hater, it's just a slower tool and the tenons are expensive. I own a domino and and a couple of their vacuums. Great tools for when strength is paramount in a furniture piece or something or parts are too narrow for biscuits.
I agree. Biscuits are frequently criticized based on strength tests using biscuits in the worst possible application - rocking loads on a single row of biscuits
Great video thanks
Managed to snag a knockoff dowel jig from harbor fright last year, it is handy dandy.
awesome!
Nice to see that I'm not the only one who has forgotten to match the collar depth setting on my Kreg pocket hole jig and punched the bit through the base a couple times.
That's just a zero clearance hole 😂😂😂😂
I have used spline joints on clocks and cabinets I use 1/4 luan and a slot cutter ,
Wow awesome info I've never heard of pipe clamps but to be able to use them on wooden building projects is great nit ever one can afford $75 a piece parallel clamps
A video on recommended tools and equipment for someone who wants to get into woodworking would be great. Maybe beginner, novice, and expert levels?
Highlander reference? You're now my favorite woodworker on YT.
Oh wow had I known it was that easier I would have done it sooner 🙏
Love that word. Lots of misling indeed. Don't let people misle you!
Misling? Misltoed? Mislsilo? 😂
Excellent woodworking information
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One more that could have been added is a glue joint and pin nails. I've used them quite a bit.
For sure! Pin nails are like little clamps!
Great video! Grizzly Industrial makes a doweling machine that looks like a biscuit jointer / domino jointer. It drills out 2 holes in end pieces or flat pieces. I have it & it works well after the learning curve. You can use various sizes of the drill bits depending on what size dowels you will be using. It’s a great alternative as well.
Thanks for the info!
Very good video! Thanks man.
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Very helpful!
Thanks, Bob!
Biscuits are invented/created by Lamello and it is used for cabinet (laminate chipboard) making... or at least in Europe.
Wonderful video. Thank you so much.
You're very welcome!
If you're making traditional tenons, you gotta try a drawbore tenon and skip the glue. There's something extra satisfying about knowing you could take the whole thing apart again if you had to. The guy who is refinishing it in 150 years might appreciate that.
A variation you missed is the "lazy dowel". That is, you drill and pound dowels from the outside, like a screw or nail. This gives a nicer appearance than exposed screws, and the strength of an all-wood joint.
GREAT VIDEO DUDE>>>I was a carpenter for a living for decades and you hit the NAIL on the head!!!!>>>KUDOS>>>FOR REAL info and no bullshit!!!!!
Well done, thanks
Have you ever made a video on different ways to make mortise and tenon joining. Very informative , for a novice like me.
Good video! The only thing I'd quibble about is an omission. You did mention the use of dowels for thousands of years. Well, it turns out that loose tenon joinery has been going on for thousands of years. You don't often see on the shows when ancient Egyptians have wooden coffins opened. Well it turns out I've gotten to see that done on shows where they were opening coffins going back at least 4,500 years ago - and you could see the loose tenons!
I built a solid oak medicine cabinet using biscuits. Once the carcass was built I used 24 biscuits to secure the face to it, with gorilla glue. Once assembled and coated with 7 coats of exterior water-based urethane varnish (sanded between each coat). Over 10 years now and it's still solid and looking like new.
Excellent video. Harbor freight clamps are wonderful (for the cost). A lot of the time, quantity is over quality. As long as the joints are nice, you shouldn't need crazy amounts of clamping forces.
One of the very few videos that Succeeds in mixing in humorous clips and setting them up - Me Likey!
Ha thanks for appreciating it!