We Test How Lethal 10MM AUTO Is
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In today’s video we see how lethal the legendary 10MM AUTO IS. Can it live up to the hype?
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We want daily videos of charles
FYI: The Morgan and Morgan ad has you talking over your own voice. It was kind of hard to understand what you were trying to say at the end, but I get the picture and just wanted to let you know 👍🏽
If I supplied some home roled 223 rounds, would test them in a ballistics dummy?
Did you just turn one head into two? I never knew you could do that It’s like math didn’t math One head = Two heads
How effective is 5.7x28mm and compare it to 5.56x45mm
As a mechanic, I don't carry a 10MM, because I'll inevitably lose it.
dude thank you. as a mechanic i laughed soo hard i lost my 10mm
😂😂😂
Brilliant 😂
Me too bro
😂. And the comment of the day award goes to, YOU!😂🏆🏆🏆🏆🏆🏆🏆🏆
Suddenly the firepower of the Fallout 10mm pistols makes sense.
always made sense
Funny, just finished playing fallout 4 yesterday Big bugs never stood a chance 😂
agreed, filthy ghouls
Honestly would love to have a functional model of the 10mm handgun from Fallout. It’s a fun over-designed model.
@@Mcaarkgood luck finding an holster for that!
Massive respect for calling out the bad loading of 10mm. For 5+ years Federal has been loading 10mm weaker than 40SW…
Yep, dem's FBI loads. FBI got 10mm loaded so underpowered that Smith & Wesson just went to Winchester to have the cartridge brass shortened and .40S&W was born from that.
CCI blazer sucks ass too. Double tap, Buffalo bore, and underwood are the only ones who load 10mm as God intended.
I load 10mm and I like them hot!
Sig makes a respectable 10 mm round if you’re willing to pay an arm and a leg to get them
@@user-qo3yy9nv1uliberty civil defense is pretty sweet too. 60 grain hollow point going 2400fps out a 5 inch barrel
Fun story - the day after watching this video I went to the range with a buddy. I’m a barely proficient pistol shot so was working on fundamentals with a buddy. We were taking a short break after hanging new targets and talked about this video. The range went hot and I was going to take a controlled shot - so I was raising the pistol and yelled “COMMUNISM IS BAD” and took a shot and miraculously took a perfect dead center shot on the target. I’m now convinced those words are magic! I wish I could post a pic of the target!
totally happened
That 9mm being caught by the last bits of ballistic gel was so pleasing to the eye
That and the lil stream of beautiful droplets by the first 10mm shot. *chef’s kiss
That was hilarious!! Kind of like something you'd expect from a cartoon!
That probably would never happen again. Mike wasted his one change at winning the lottery.
Luck...
*Boop*
We need a science video on “winter clothing vs multiple calibers” to really see how clothing effects a round.
Now this is exactly what tf we need!!!!
Yes
They don’t do anything against anything. Paul Harrell has a video on this it took like 30+ layers to do anything or something like that
Were there any actual effect everyone would be wearing layers of winter clothes.
NYPD has entered the chat. According to their "experts" 9mm was defeated by a Carhartt jacket. In reality... it was more than likely trash marksmanship and 15 pound triggers.
I have been a 45acp guy for ever. I picked up a Springfield XDM for when in bear country. You can really tell the deference in the power of the 10mm full loads.
A 45 ACP "Bear Load" has capacity of being significantly more capable than a 10mm Auto "Bear Load." Greater amount of bullet weight for similar velocities, larger meplat, heavier bullet need not be seated deeper with attendant over-pressure concerns.
@@LibertysetsquareJackfor big browns , the faster speed of the 10mm , with similar bullet size is always going to equate to better penetration . There’s been so many tests done , and all say the same - 10mm is a better bear defense round than .45
@@LibertysetsquareJackalso will add underwood offers a 200gr bear defense round for both calibers . 10mm has significant more velocity and muzzle energy . I’m guessing you’re referring to someone’s “custom” bear load , that’s probably over pressured and possibly beyond safe specs . We’re talking about a less aerodynamic projectile in the same weight class but is 5.06 mm wider . Under2/10 of an inch but is also a much different shape and is seated completely different . The misconception here is that the 45 is gonna leave a larger wound channel . It will also under penetrate and with a 1200 lb apex predator , if it expands early “not enough speed so more often than not that’s the case “ , you’ll be on the menu for North Americas deadliest animal .
@@dennismurray4088 It's not about leaving a bigger wound channel, but about the tendency of the bullet to overturn itself, be deflected, and lose momentum. All three contribute to diminished penetration. Velocity is only one factor in penetration, and, especially at practical handgun velocities, is largely insignificant. In other words, we aren't talking the difference between 800 fps and 2,300 fps, pistol and rifle, respectively, or between a 600 fps pistol round and a 1,300 fps pistol round. When we're talking between, say, 1,150 fps for one pistol round, and 950 fps for another pistol round, both velocities factor essentially identically when it comes to penetrative potential into animals. What is more significant are the other factors aforementioned: which bullet will have a greater tendency to overturn itself, have less momentum, and be deflected from striking differential material in the body, e.g. glancing on a bone. With those three considerations, bullets with larger meplats, sharper meplats, more "square" bullet profile (ogive), are "over square" in weight:caliber ratio, and just weigh more overall, will tend to penetrate both 1) more deeply initially, and 2) be less likely to deflect and/or tumble, i.e. maintain a more straight terminal path, which means deeper penetration over time within the animal. If favorable characteristics of pistol bullet P are found over another, Q, in these areas, P will have deeper and more consistent penetration, even if Q is moving up to several hundred feet-per-second faster. That's why the old timers, such as John Pondoro Taylor, accounted for caliber when evaluating cartridges for animals, in addition to bullet weight and velocity. Muzzle energy equations only take bullet weight and velocity into factor, and are then heavily biased towards velocity, because the equation has the square of such. This makes cartridges such as 10mm Auto look superior to others, but without context and the actual terminal behavior of the bullet. So take two premier "dangerous game" loads from the same manufacturer, Buffalo Bore, as example: 10mm Auto "Heavy 10mm Outdoorsman," and the 45 ACP "Heavy 45 +P Outdoorsman." In terms of muzzle energy, the 10mm Auto loading sees a 220 grain bullet developing 1,175 fps out of a Colt Delta Elite with a 5" barrel, yielding ~674 ft./lbs. The 45 ACP load sees a 255 grain bullet developing 960 fps out of a Colt Gold Cup with a 5" barrel, yielding ~522 ft./lbs. So the 10mm Auto loading is 152 ft./lbs., or just over 29%, more powerful. Looking to the Taylor Knockout factor (TKO) however, we get different evaluation. TKO is [bullet weight in grains × velocity × caliber] divided by 7,000. This yields a TKO of 14.77 for the 10mm Auto load, but 15.81 for the 45 ACP. The 45 in this equation is a clear and entire ordinal higher. Comparisons only get more lopsided when evaluating the very high velocity 10mm Auto cartridges many people posture as specifically for large animal defense, such as those using the solid copper (SC) or "mono metal" bullets. The high velocities are obtained with very light bullets, such as a 115 grain SC bullet going 1,700 fps. That yields an impressive 738 ft./lbs. However, that's only 11.17 on the TKO scale, far less than the 15 to 16 of 45 loads. Even old-school 45 ACP from 1905 (230 grains at 830 fps) yields a TKO of 12.33. Again, the reason weight, caliber and weight:caliber were accounted in the old days, and still should be today, is because bullets can do things that negate penetration, irrespective of relatively higher velocity. One of those things is the tendency for the rear of the bullet to "overtake" the front of the bullet, particularly if the bullet is heavier at the base, resulting in tumbling or at least veering from a straight path, both of which cut penetration depth. Another is deflection, which is where large meplat bullets and "square" ("short and fat") have an advantage over round nose and smaller meplat bullets, or bullets that are relatively "under square" ("skinnier"). Ironically enough, higher velocities can also exacerbate these tendencies, such as producing tumbling earlier or deflecting to a larger proportion of vector. Autoloading pistols are already at a disadvantage relative to revolvers in these regards because cartridge OAL must necessarily be shorter per given caliber, dictated by magazine dimensions and action lengths. Autoloaders must also reliably feed over a ramp of some type, and headspace differently than revolvers, meaning that bullet profiles are accordingly less able to be truncated, have less sharp meplats, and must taper sharper from base to nose, more akin to a RN, as opposed to a true SWC or FP profile. The advantage of something such as 45 ACP versus 10mm Auto, is that, within these and other limitations of the autoloading design, the 45 can have a relatively large meplat, less taper to the profile, and be heavier for caliber at acceptable pressures, relative to the 10mm, because the 45 ACP cartridge is designed to sit heavier bullets at lower pressures and is a clear five (5) calibers bigger, meaning larger diameter and ~ 27% greater circular area, yet is not considerably longer. So a heavier, broader, "over square" bullet at functionally similar (i.e. adequate) velocities, and with more meplat and ogive potential. Again, not as much potential in absolute terms as a cartridge designed for a revolver or lever action, but relatively speaking, as an autoloading pistol cartridge, more than the 10mm Auto. And the overall dimension of the pistol is not too disimilar either. It's not like we're talking about a .357 Desert Eagle or something. A Glock 21 still has 13+1 capacity as standard, for example, and with a "normal" sized frame. So I think the mystical or magical aura surrounding 10mm Auto pistols is overblown. Regardless, you went on in your comment to talk about expansion, and in the context of '1,200 pound apex predators.' Really though, it is kinda silly to be talking about bullet expansion potential from pistols, especially from autoloader pistol cartridges, and within the context of taking on large animals, let alone those c. 1,200 pounds. It is going to require several feet worth of straight-line penetration to serve as defense against such animals, and at pistol velocities especially, this means expanding bullets are not ideal at all. Bullets should be made for such purposes so as to have minimal deformation, and maximum weight for caliber at an adequate velocity. A full powered rifle or a shotgun with slugs is really what is in order for such situations, and the pistol is a sidearm. The danger with 10mm Auto pistols is that people are often treating them as a sort of primary weapon against large, dangerous animals, with magical properties. The mono-metal bullets for 10mm Auto in particular seem to have magical qualities ascribed to them, by virtue of being shot out of 10mm Auto pistols, "because velocity and muzzle energy." The idea seems to be that they combine hard bullet material and high velocity, for penetration, with "expansion"-esque terminal performance because of "fluid energy transfer" or whatever, from the fluted design. In reality, these bullets attain higher velocities with the trade off of very light bullet weight, i.e. 115 to 135 grains. On the other side of the coin, the heavier mono-metal bullets move much slower, e.g. a 190 grain 10mm Auto mono-metal is going to be going only 1,100 fps out of a typical (4.5/4.6") barrel, not 1,400, or 1,500, or 1,600+ fps like people want to think. The mono-metals actually will develop less velocity per a given weight because they must be seated deeper relative to a lead bullet (lead is more dense) to stay within OAL (which gets back to the limitations with autoloaders), which is largely why the very fast mono-metals in 10mm Auto are so small (c. 120 grains). Anyway, in both cases, whether tiny and fast or "heavy" (i.e. still light in real terms) and much slower, it apparently escapes people's attention that the "fluid transfer mechanism" is also going to impart force onto the bullet. In other words, there is reaction to every action: people are so in awe of the idea of the fluted bullet "transferring energy into the surrounding tissue" that they forget that the bullet is having a resultant force acting on it too. There is no such thing as free energy. In simple terms, it means the bullet is bleeding out energy and, thus, penetration potential once inside the animal. To get a given mono-metal-fluted to penetrate deeply, velocity must indeed be very high. But again, given the inherent limitations of the autoloading pistol cartridge dimension, that means very light bullets, which are then marginal in terms of all the other factors mentioned so far. So what exactly is all the excitement about? Beats me. I guess if such a thing as a magical bullet existed, I'd be excited to hear of it too; but in terms of actual physics, there is a reason that "magic bullets" are called such: because they exist in a fanciful sense, not in reality. Come to think of it, that's probably why the manufacturers refer to such bullets as "Fluid Transfer Monolithic." If they called it "Energy Transfer Monolithic," then every Good Ol Boy would be saying, "wait uh min'uht...if energy is bein' transferred out, don't that mean the boolit is losin' a lot uh energy in dat critter? Penetration gonna be shallow." Lol, yes.
I'm one of those guys who believe the 45 (pound-for-pound) is a better cartridge as you have explained in detail. I have always believed too the 10mm has been over-hyped for marketing purposes and the FBI had it right all along.@@LibertysetsquareJack
9mm kills the body, 10mm kills the soul
As a 10mm myself I must say the extra 1mm has never failed me
Get out
@@CamelSmokes23 make me 😂
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That’s what she said! 😅
All this just makes Hickok's 10mm recoil control look that much more superhuman.
Have you seen that man's paws? 10mm frames might be the only thing he can even tell is there! Haha
@@zacharyohare2118i also have a 10mm and huge hands, i shoot it so well people think its 9mm😂
I still think Jerry Miculek is more impressive controlling the .44 magnum.
@@LTVoyager That man is the gun
Hockok uses bullshit federal American Eagle ammunition, it's nowhere near full power.
9mm: I mean yeah, pretty good. 10mm: We do not care about your organs, they will be reduced to beans
.50 cal: What organs?
105mm howitzer: can't reduce anything to beans if there's nothing left to reduce :>
As always absolutely excellent viewing with that blast of humour! Thank you kindly fellas you make my day🫵😘👍
The slow motion of that first 9mm shot that went back into the gel had to be a 1 in a million catch. I've never seen that happen before. The sound effect was a nice touch too. LOL!!!
I started looking through the comments just to see if anybody was talking about that lmao
Seen it happen in a couple vids, I think Kentucky Ballistics maybe caught a couple of those. One of my favorites is when it exits the block with a little puff of smoke and they add a fart sound. I'm pushing 50, and I don't care, that's always going to be funny.
@alienspacebones agreed. I'd laugh too. Now I feel the need to find that video. 😊
Slowmo guys and kentucky balistics caught it in slow mo
If you’ve never seen that happen, then you haven’t seen that many gun videos. I have seen it several times
Jokes on the 10mm, that Beretta 92 deals holy damage
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Is that like killing the body and the supposedly eternal soul? Or does it sanctify the damned and deal extra hit points to the flesh?
+100 holy damage + 10 accuracy.
@@mattmarzula automatically exorcists demons and burns the souls of the wicked.
@@mattmarzula It deals bonus damage vs undead. It can also be used to remove the cursed status effect from teammates in a pinch, though at the cost of physical damage.
Dude. These intros are the best, the 80's style ones. Awesome video with the 10mm. God's cartridge...
I absolutely love my S&W 10mm! It’s been an amazing pistol! This was an awesome video!!
You're the 1st guy I've seen actually show me what a real 10mm load does.
There's a pretty good video from 13yrs ago where a guy used pork ribs, a cow's heart and Jello to demonstrate what a Double Tap 135gr does to cardiac tissue. You should be able to find it with 10mm vs Cow's Heart here on YT.
That's what she said
Paul Harrell demonstrated 10mm damage to his "meat target"
Right! I always wondered why it was so unimpressive. My opinions changed
@@Rafael_Rare you ok
10MM has been fairly popular in the outdoors/hunting community for awhile. It's the go to bear round for most people. It's like a semi auto 357 magnum with a 15 round capacity instead of the 6 in a revolver. I suspect the underwood 180 grain hardcasts I normally carry for bears and cats would zip right through a human torso and not slow down much at all.
As a hunting sidearm, it makes a ton of sense if it's loaded to the potential of 10MM. But for people carrying as personal defense in the cities and suburbs, it's just asking for over penetration trouble. 9mm is enough for anything on two legs not wearing body armor, and by that point you'd need a rifle anyway. Looking at the way that 135 grain performed, it looks almost identical to 45 Super in ballistics gel - dumping a massive amount of energy and stopping in the first 8 inches. 45 Super is a really bizarre cartridge, but I'd rather have that than 10MM for those effects.
9mm in aprticular is known for overpenetration. this is one of the reasons the FBI came out with .40@@haroldfarquad6886
People always give me shit for carrying 10mm or 45 Super.. They still swear that its been proven over & over how 9mm is FAR Superior to both & that the FBI has proved this countless times...
@@haroldfarquad6886Did you even watch the video? Both 135 grain bullets didn’t over penetrate. You 9mm zealots are on life support levels of cope.
@haroldfarquad6886 over penetration trouble? Considering even with trained shooters most 60% or more of handgun rounds fired in a shootout miss entirely. Over penetration is the least of your concerns when there is loose rounds zipping through the air.
I love Dr. Garand Thumb G.D. (gun doctor) and his science. Thank you Dr. Thumb!
I wanted to give a special thank you! I used to carry 9mm (Tisas PX-9), but after your video and some personal testing, I love my Smith and Wesson M&P 10mm. I seem to shoot much better than I do my 9mm. I think it may have to do with the fact that I focus a lot more on trigger and recoil management. I shoot it really well. So well, I ordered an IWB holster for it.
I'm so glad that 10mm is making its earned comeback. A lot of people have been skeptical over the round, but man is 10mm the best damn handgun round out there.
Yeah it would if only pistols chambered in 10 didn't look like bricks
@@mariovillicana6290 Mausoleums are built of bricks so what’s one more to a bad guy?
Agreed.
@@mariovillicana6290This thread isnt about looks.
Glocks look great and plenty of 10mm Glocks. Otoh, 9mm works fine for humans for a summer gun. .40 is good for winter. 10mm is good for bears 👍 Even .380 works if you’re using Defiant TCX, Underwood Sku 152 90 gr jhp +p, or Underwood 68 or 90 gr +p extreme defender. Bonus points if you’re using a 3.5” or longer barrel. .380 is absolutely great in those situations and has less recoil 👍 9mm is fine with many different ammos such as HST (buy it cheap in bulk, do not pay 2$ per round from Federal or big companies) or if you’re willing to pay for the best, also TCX. If you want the best for .40, 135 gr JHP from Underwood (600 foot pounds energy, .357 sig and 10mm level energy) or Hornady Critical Defense, or HST. In that order. Critical defense is bad for .380 and only marginally decent for 9mm. But critical defense is absolutely beastly in .40 S&W.
Please do videos on the following: -Shotgun Mud & Ice test -What is most effective against combat drones?
Birdshot is pretty good against drones.
you got it
@@GarandThumbwaiting for the drone vs steel buckshot vid
@@GarandThumb Can you bring the Kentucky rifle back? That thing was sick!
Take a look at loads from ballistic Machinest.
One thing to know about ammo selection, if you take the same hollow point from a .40 and put 10mm power behind it, you will lose penetration. This because the extra power expands the bullet earlier. Make sure you select a heavier grain if you want to get that right amount of penetration. Or use Xtreme defender copper rounds. Wish you guys would have tested those.
Exactly it's why I use federal hst 200gr it is 18: penatratuon massive expansion
Metalurgy may be slightly different also for the 10mm so as to expand slower for the increased energy.
Hot SIG JHPs for me!
Awesome video as always! I love my XDM Elite 10mm with a Dragon Fly optic and the 15 round mag. Enjoyed your input on this bmf! Keep up the great work!🙏🏼
You sound like a fancy gentleman
Mine has 16 rd mags
Alaska state troopers and wildlife troopers switched to the 10mm several years ago not only for two legged stopping power, but four legged critters too. It does great damage to a bear and moose.
The Danish police in Greenland carry the G20. But manly because of polar bears.
I carry a 10
I love my G20, mag extension to carry 20 rounds@@Gieszkanne
I don't think hollow points are the most effective round for bear/moose defense though, is it?
Mostly for 4 legs, too much for 2 legs
Fun fact: Liberty's 60gr 10mm load leaves a 6 inch barrel at around 2500fps and has defeated every kind of 3A armor i've tested it in. As far as "terminal effects", it's done me well, with several one shot stops on big angry hogs
😅 there 9mm puch out 3a too
That Liberty ammo doesn't disappoint. It's been my carry round for over 4 years. In most any caliber, it's hard to argue with light and fast for carrying on your hip, but then those terminal ballistics are insane.
I know I‘ve seen it elsewhere, but it would be fun to see ghat Liberty ammo tested on this channel.
Liberty civil defense is great I keep a couple mags and a box in my bucket
60 grain 10 mm is insane. It can go up to 200 on the subsonic end
I EDC the M&P 2.0 in 4", heavier recoil and mag springs for reliable full power performance. My absolute favorite carry pistol. Thanks for all you do guys!
What recoil and mag springs?
@@Hypno_Llama For some reason S&W put a 17-ish pound recoil spring which is too light and what ends up happening is the slide out runs the spring in the magazine causing failure to feed malfunctions. So the best way to fix it is to get a new recoil spring, usually a 22 or 24 pound spring to slow the slide down and replace the magazine spring to make sure the round is picked up and fed in the proper location and time. This issue has come up in about 3/4 of the produced M&Ps. I'm one of the lucky 1/4 that didn't have the issue. Wolf springs have great after market springs.
Just got one literally yesterday.. same one as you!! M2.0 10mm... beast of a gun!!
I love the education value of this video right here is very we really need more educational videos like this so we can understand about firearms and firearm safety
I've been shooting 10mm for 40 years now (good lord, did I just write that? I feel old now). I still have one of the first Bren Tens made in my safe, along with one of the very first Delta Elites made. Anyway, a test you didn't make that is worth while is using the 140 grain extreme penetrator going at 1500+ fps against iiia armor
I’m close at 33 years enjoying the 10mm, lol. There’s a video of the 140 XP punching through thin armored glass capable of stopping other handgun cartridges.
That’s great Don but I still haven’t heard back from you about my Miami Vice reboot idea. In this series you and Tubbs not only reside at Geriatric Acres but you’re fighting the out of control crime like speeding golf carts, residents not picking up after their dogs and residents showing up after 5pm at Denny’s and still demanding the early bird special. Get back to me I think we have a winner!
.40 of an inch for .40 of a century!
@@highdesertutahLMAO I'm dying at this 😂
I carry the 155ex defender in dw specialist or 6” trp…I’m the 10mm guy they make fun of till the 135s@1550 come out…then everyone wants to shoot one…big 200xtp max pressure where you’ll find recoil…way more than 180s and below….lemme talk to ya!..👊🏻
3:32 I am so glad you mentioned this point. I see a lot of 10 vs 9mm comparisons where they basically just compare a 9mm to a 40sw
This is a problem I've noticed with 7.62 Nagant aswell, with people are calling it anemic (atleast compared to 9mm). The issue there however is that they're using underloaded target shooting rounds.
There is one 9mm cartridge that bests the 10mm, the 9x25 Dillon Underwood 125gr, 1,700fps, 802ft.lbs or 90gr, 2,000fps, 799ft.lbs. Even Underwood's 10mm loads are not that spicy. The bullet diameter matters less than what the bullet does inside the body when it hits watery tissue, most people die of internal bleeding and tissue destruction not exsanguinating through the hole in the skin i.e. caliber does not matter as much as velocity, energy, bullet construction, and did the bullet behave as expected: expand, plug with clothing, disintegrate, pass through w/o expansion, fragment by design (most handgun rounds are not supposed to fragment that was an improper bullet being used in a cartridge with too high a velocity and the bullet disintegrated).
A few years back, had a range day with a Glock G20. Shot about 250ish or so rounds out of it that day and I'm not for sure if it was my inner pusscake comin out, or I'm getting fuckin old or it was the 17 degree snowy weather I was in, but my fuckin hand hurt right at the lower thumb joint the next day. Powerful round and will get the job done but seems like I can be more effective with faster shooting and rounds on target with a good 9mm. Well that answers it, it was my inner pusscake, but it was fun! Thanks for another scientifical analysis fellars!! Always entertaining!!
I’ve had a few 10mm’s over the past few years. It’s nice to see others starting to love them more!
This is the kind of testing I've been waiting for on 10mm. The numbers (muzzle velocity, mass, muzzle energy) are incredible, but I was always concerned about overpenetration. Seeing how they dump their energy quickly and don't fly supersonic out the back of the target honestly is all i need to know 10mm is best mm
Same... Now i am shopping for one. Thinking the Sig 10mm
@@DurzaHDSig.. lolol
Everyone always freaks out about overpenetration, but I’ve yet to see a confirmed account of a civilian shooting someone in self defense and having overpenetration hurt an innocent. It just doesn’t happen.
@alphazuluz someone in my unit hit their neighbor with a 9mm while cleaning her gun and that got on the news. 🤷
@@DurzaHD Springfield does a compact 3.8" version, meant for CCW, that runs an 11+1 mag by default, but also fits 15+1 mags that have a sleeve at the base to extend the grip. I've heard very good things about it.
Somewhere between comedic, informative, and quality film making is where this series sits with me.
Love the graeme barret clip you added. That guy is an absolute legend!
Your message at the end is priceless! 100% agree.
honestly, this is probably one of my favorite garand thumb videos
Id been asking him to do this video for about a month and he did not disappoint
It could have been the best, but it lacked Charlie.
This is why I've seen multiple people suggest 10mm as a gun for certain wildlife. I've seen a lot on how effective 10mm can be for bears for people who really aren't comfortable or good with revolvers. I kinda knew that meant ballistics for humans were pretty solid too but this was absolutely fantastic to see!
I visited my Daughter in 2019 when she was stationed in Ak. I saw too many people with 10MM chest rigs to count. My Son in Law immediately bought a Glock 10mm when they got there. Overwhelmingly BIG Revolvers (44mag) are still the standard but 10mm were very common from what I was able to observe of folks open carrying just walking around town, going to the store etc.
Awesome video! 😄 Keep up the great work!
filmed greatly for sure. what a gem thanks editteam
Garand daddy videos are one of the reasons to love Sundays.
Go Sox! But yeah I agree. Some of the best content on youtube
Church in the morning, watching Mike with lunch. It's a good day.
What about Jesus?
@@PolishBigfootCircle11 who ?
How in the whole ass have i never noticed they drop on Sundays? Lmao. I am not a smart man.
The 10mm was originally classified as a magnum class round. Looking at current load specs the are well under the first loads energy level. Looking at an early 90’s energy rating it was between the .41 magnum and .44 magnum
There are still a few factory loadings that meet or exceed the original Norma spec. Double tap, Buffalo Bore, and Underwood all do. Sposedly the resurgence of 10mm has caused some of the more mainstream manufacturers to up the 10mm into its intended form. Really to get most out of 10mm you need to hand load. 1400fps at 180 grain 🤯 is completely achievable.
10mm was never between 41 and 44mag. It was the 41mag Winchester silvertip that the 10mm was around the same power as. The 41mag silver tip was extremely watered down. 10mm can't get above 800foot lbs in a handgun. 41 mag can get to 1200. You need 460rowland to get to where 41mag is.
@@Guitarsgunsandghostsliberty civil defense 10mm is pushing 780 ft lbs, not quite 800 but damn close for a semi auto with 15+1 capacity.
@colestahl1265 i didn't say it wasn't good. I have 2 10mms. 10mm just never was between 41 and 44mag. Its closer to 357mag
Mitchalvin nails 10mm to the tee… most don’t know Jack about 10mm and only know the OTC FBI lite that yes, is not much more than .40, however! True 10mm loads like Underwood, Buffalo Bore, Double Tab, and Sig Sauer, make full potential loads, which is what I shoot in my G-20😎👍🏽
Awesome.video as always guys! Hey, if you'll take a torch or heat gun to that gel block, it'll take out those lines made by the cover wrapping and make it a heck of a lot more clear. Keep the videos coming! 😀
Always great videos!
I started shooting 10mm a few years ago and instantly became a huge fan. The ammo is more expensive but it's a blast to shoot. The 10mm is a great round for both pistol and PCC. It feels like the 10mm is the closest thing to a rifle round when fired out of a PCC, compared to other rounds fired from a PCC. You're right about a lot of manufacturers selling 10mm that is barely above 40S&W specs. You have to be careful and look at the specs when purchasing 10mm ammo.
But there's 9 Largo and .30 Carbine.
@@spacewater7 too bad almost nobody makes guns for those anymore, and for 9 mm largo specifically almost nobody makes ammo for... 30 carbine at least is still made thanks to the popularity of the m1 carbine. with the popularity of PCC's over the past 10ish years i am kinda sad more in 30 carbine haven't been made
Wouldn't 5.7 be closer to a PCC rifle round?
Start reloading your own ammo. Look at Dillion's equipment.
@cokiea57 No do some research and you will be shocked.
Great video. Thanks for sharing.
The first 2 minutes of this vid I subscribed right way ur funny af while being professional at the same time it’s hard to do that !!
In my experience, most new 10mm pistols ship with a 19 to 20 pound recoil spring. I install a 22 pound in all my 10mm sidearms. Makes them much more controllable.
And less reliable!
@@imissyoumom7644eh? How so?
The 22 lb springs were having issues cycling range ammo. One of the fun parts of having a 10 was you could use cheaper 40 cal as range ammo, back when 40 was cheaper.
@e.u.palphawolvesmilitis6991 what do you shoot with the 22pound spring?
I am a reloader. I shoot only full power. The underwood 135 gr hollowpoints are starting point for me, then I get the projectiles from nosler to load my own. I also do 150gr extreme pen, and 140 gr extreme defense from lehigh. I then use 140 grain berries plated for practice. All full power. And no malfuctions.
that slow-mo where the 9mm round peaked out and went "brr its cold" before ducking back in was the funniest shit I ever seen.
I love the barrel control. Great example
Love that cinematic touch to the video.
As awesome as the becoming deadly in the mountains vids are, it’s always fun to watch a chill goofy video like this
Ya but they’re not the same without Charley
@@lucasdenis8378 agreed. I miss him 😢
What happened to him? I love his humor.
@@kennethsloboda1985 I think he’s moving or something
And they brought back the 1980s science intro! :D
Cmmg's 10mm banshee AR pistol is a freight train for home defense and really anything that doesn't need rifle distance. 8 inch barrel sending full power rounds, 30 round magazines, great recoil control with rapid fire groups and a mounted optic.
I love the fun yall have in this vid
First time watching, love your two's style and info. Just ordered a RIA Ultra FS HC, 16+1 with two mags 49 rounds, woo hoo! Going to walk out distances, 10 yards at a time, and see what kind of range it has. Love 10's, have a couple Glocks, just a good round.
Finally I can learn the ballistic potential of a 10mm Pistol on a Feral Ghoul
i’ve always wanted to know
@@GarandThumbdo you realize Morgan and Morgan are massive Democrat donors?
This was amazing and so fun to watch. Thank you. The showmanship is top notch. It's the little things that pull a chuckle from me, and you guys nailed it. You brightened my otherwise sh*t day.
Hope your day keeps getting better man.
@The_Devil_Himself thank you brother! That's such a uplifting response. I honestly didn't anticipate it. I wish you and yours all the best! Life is good, way better day today!
@@tomw2842 Good to hear!
What a sick camera shot on the 9mm where you see the slug snap back into the gel.
I love when the round comes out the gel block and then gets sucked back in. Reminds me of Mike's mom
Love the 10mm. Next time would be awesome see the underwood 115gr xtreme defenders, they are totally insane. Monolithic copper bullets going 1700fps. Also some dangerous game loads, +p hard cast 200 or 220gr. would be interesting to see on the ballistic dummy!
I also carry that 115 underwood ammo. Screams like a rifle around. For the countryside I carry 200 gr. buffalo bore. Perfect counter measure for Large mammals confused about the food chain
I'm not sure a human sized ballistic dummy has enough meat for the 220gr hard cast, I buy those for bears.
The Underwood 140 Extream Penetrators are awsome also
@@morgatron4639 yeah probably would smoke through a human thorso without dumping as much energy as an xtreme defender or conventional hollow point. Still would be fun to see for science purposes lol
Don’t forget the G9 80gr!
I used the 40 spec 10mm rounds to qualify and train on the range. The full power were a bit surprising after that! I love it though.
Practice with Underwood 10MM range ammo, 180 gr @ 1250 fps with 625 ft-lbs
@@robertsmentkowski312the sig ammo is to the same spec. Its all I can find locally thats good full potency stuff
@@nateh2652 👍🏼 good to know
You guys are hilarious! I love all the science 😄
Thanks for the education about underloaded 10mm. I love the gun community man
So I’m in the middle of the video and I’m getting the vibe that he’s trying to see if 10mm has more value than a 9mm and i like the comparison. One thing I hope is brought up is it’s value at being a cartridge that is practical for self defense against both humans and dangerous game. Many rural Americans choose a 10mm because it is more capable of engaging things like bear and moose where it’s increased energy is important for 700-1000lb animals.
@HielNah that’s true, it doesn’t matter what you use, if you miss it doesn’t matter.
If you ain't shootin hog, you aint testing shit. Gel monsters aint real.
Here in northern ID, I carry 9 in the street and 10 in the mountains for the obvious reasons.
@HielNahand a 10mm 180g JHP will do the trick hoss
9mm for CC .357 Magnum or 10mm for woods
I've been highly fascinated with this round after Kentucky Ballistics compared shooting a 10mm and a .44 mag into ballistics gell. The .44 will create a larger wound channel, but the 10mm zips through more gel, which is insanely impressive.
So you want to put Scott's thumb into Daddy Garand?
I saw that test. Wasn't the 10mm a rn and the 44mag a swc? That might be what made the difference in penetration.
That's not a good thing though. Impressive from a technical standpoint maybe, but not from a wounding capacity standpoint.
@@gilbertopadilla3611 damn I forgot the specefics, but that could be the case. It's been a while 😅
We're all just super impressed also that he didn't have to stick an index finger into a 10mm auto hole anywhere on his person . Good job bud ! You're _learning_ ! Like a real boy !
“That 10mm got that dawg in him, bussin fr fr” That’s it I’m buying a 10 mil
Great video..yes 10mm is my favorite round.
I really love how Garand Thumb gives off huge amounts of Carnik Con vibes while also updating that vibe.
Happy to see the 10 getting some love. My EDC is a 5" 1911 in 10mm and I love it!
That's right. I have both 10mil and 45 . GO BIG BORE OR GO HOME
That’s a big gun to EDC!
Great choice with that 1911. I own a Springfield Armory XDM Elite OSP 3.8 in 10mm. My buddy says that possibly the only 10mm owner in my suburban area. Lol
I’ve been a fan of 10mm for a while now. This is just icing on the cake🎉
Very nice video ,thanks for sharing it
The nasty thing about point blank shots, is that it's not just the bullet doing the damage...The bullet makes the hole, all that gas EXPANDING right behind it, fills and pressurizes the hole/cavity the bullet has made and blows it out that much worse
ouch
RIP
One of my most profoundly held hopes is that one day, a majority of gun folk will understand what "point blank" range means. For a middlin' warm 10mm load with a 12" target zone, it'll be 'round 125-150 yards.
Been carrying a 10mm with underwood 180 grain xtp’s and was about to switch over to carrying a 9mm g45. For about 2 years I’ve been wanting to see a ballistic dummy test with 10mm, Safe to say I’m impressed and sticking with the 10mm
@@smithsmithersen1646 you thinking too much, shhh...breathe 😌, just ride the thunder and let the grains carry the lightning ⚡️😵⚰️
@@LilLizabeth hes right though, follow up shots and flinching are a lot less of a problem that 9mm
@@taronbrown7665wow almost like training is the solution.
@@smithsmithersen1646 😽
@@smithsmithersen1646i see your point but not everybody is bothered by recoil or anticipates it to the point they flinch and miss thier first shot. They key to achieving that is when training, take enough time to Make Every Shot Count. With enough practice, the speed will come with muscle memory. Conversely, just pulling the trigger a bunch of times and hoping you get on target is not proper training, and just reinforces bad practices. The nice thing about training like I suggested is that is that it uses less ammo (at least till you get really good)- no reason to burn more ammo than necessary to practice hitting exactly where you want to. If you can't afford to train or don't have the time, then yeah, 9mm is your answer especially if you think about recoil when you shoot. Anyway, thats just my take, everybody's different when it comes to when that bang happens.
4:54 This definetly should be the background pic of Garand. Btw one of the best looking pistols ever.
Your videos are amazing, keep up the good work!! Have you made a video of you shooting a M1 Garand?? It's my favorite weapon during WW2 especially in the older games of WW2 I would always keep the M1 Garand!!!
10 mm was the first gun I ever bought for myself for self-protection. I bought that 30 years ago and still carry a 10 mm. Things to do a lot of hunting and hiking in Bear Country and that was always my backup. Absolutely love it, and he's right you got to make sure which ammunition you're getting otherwise you're not getting the full performance
Great video, definitely looking at 10mm as my EDC. I would love to see you test the Buffalo Bore 220 grain 10mm Auto. On the other hand, that 9mm is no joke, and would be a bit concerned about collateral damage.
This video made me subscribe. Comedic gold. Are all the videos like this? haha
One of my co-workers helped with the Development of the Bren 10. As he related, the original ammo for the Bren was the most powerful 10mm load ever done for a 10mm firearm and was a direct reason for some of it's reliability issues. Every load since then has been weaker in strength.
What was the round? Buffalo Bore 220gr? Or?
@@HKBuilderDIY If memory serves me correctly, the Norma Ammunition AB (Sweden) 200gr was the only bullet out there at the time (circa 1983...although Sierra made the 10mm prototypes with Mike Dixon and Jeff Cooper's input, they didn't do full scale production)...I don't think though, that it's the same as Norma's current offerings.
@@HKBuilderDIY The original intended loading was 200gr at 1,200 fps. Double Tap offers a load that slightly edges out said spec out of a 5" barrel with a JHP. The account is right in the sense normally available 10mm is well under spec, but wrong in the sense a few relatively boutique vendors offer rounds that meet or exceed the OG spec.
@@jebe4563yup, they have some loads that are making 900 lb ft😊
Great round! Carried 10mm every day while in Alaska. You should rest how much further you can shoot 10mm accurately.
You won me over with your awesome intro!!! 👍👍👍
Nice vid, like your sense of humor while still being serious. I live in grizzly country. Been carrying a 10mm for several years loaded with 200gr hardcast rounds. I'm confident that if I ever need it, it will get plenty of penetration in any bear in Montana.
That 10mm won't do anything.
@@Sora2529any person in a Guntubers comments that has an avatar like yours is immediately discounted
@@Sora2529 what pronouns do you go by?
I literally just got my first handgun last week (I’ve shot a few handguns just didn’t own one myself) and it was a 10mm S&W M&P 2.0 4 inch barrel. It has been my carry since then and I’ve taken it to the range as well and put some underwood 180 jhp through it, ran like champ. Absolutely loved it. I knew it was a powerful gun and I knew which companies make the best ammo for it, but what I didn’t know or couldn’t find was a ballistic dummy test as to get an approximation on what it would do in a self defense situation. Needless to say, I’m not disappointed in a single aspect of my purchase.
How you liking it? I have the same no problems so far. Although many reports of failure to feed and failure to eject.
How deadly is a 10mm? 10 out of 10. All the millimeters.
Lol 😂
Congrats on the views!👏👏👏
Loved that video great job gentlemen and I love my 10mm snw pc 2.0 5.6 in but 45 is my side chick
Wow Mike, great moves, keep it up, proud of you
Lol thanks Michelle
Big mike sending little mike some love
@@walterworrallBig Mike in the house
Holy shit I love it when you guys don't take yourself serious (but do at the same time), bloody entertaining with a beer after shift. Cheers lads.
Don't take yourselves "seriously." Does no one use adverbs anymore?
@@44excalibur adverbs were invented by the feds
@@44excaliburWhy so seriously?
Your camera guy and editor need a raise. Great videos keep it up!
The last minute or so of the video was my favorite
My first handgun was an FN 510 with 200 grain, grain bonded flat nose ammo. Everything else since feels like shooting marshmallows. The 10mm is still my EDC (although impractical for most urban uses in civilian life). The reason I went with 10mm as my first handgun is because I wanted something that could protect me in an urban environment and in bear country. Consequences be damned, I'd rather be judged by 12 than carried by 6. I carry my 10mm everywhere. Doesn't matter where I'm going. Been kicked out of a couple places because I carry a fullsize handgun and I'm a thinner dude, so it prints sometimes. That being said, that's one reason winter is awesome. 😃
What places and what did they say to get you out
I am also invested
@@jason200912 Doesn't matter what places and why, they just felt uncomfortable with someone having firearms in their establishment. As a business owner, that is their right. I won't argue with them. I'd be infringing on their rights if I did even if I don't agree with their logic.
What state do you live in? Here in cali, 10mm is kind of rare due to our handgun roster
@@Animo2006 it was a strip club and a bar wasn't it
Loved the dad advice!! Been trying to put more muscle on the past couple months but I got sick recently and I'm still trying to get over it, but I have big plans for after I do. Get strong my dudes.
Don't wait to get better, start doing things now. Two years ago I got so sick I could barely take a shower and couldn't walk around the block for two months. I decided that I would do everything I could where I was at, and I started pushing myself to the max. Which was not much, I couldn't walk a half mile without stopping and feeling like I was going to pass out. I really believe that if I hadn't pushed myself then, I never would have recovered.
Yeah I got coof earlier this month and barely ate anything for a week and a half and lost 10 fricking pounds, that took me all gd year to get in the first place. It's tough when you're a natural skinny and have a super low appetite. I was able to gain 35 lbs in 2020 when I started lifting, to get me to a point most guys START at lol. FML
Man i hear ya! Had back surgery just over a year ago and still down about 35 lbs! Used to be 225 at 12% body fat. Haven't been this skinny since i was 14!
@@clamum9648I feel that bro keep pushing 💪
@@noyea1709 Yeah man I dunno about you but I'm the opposite of almost everyone, it's as hard for me to gain it as it is for others to lose it. I just don't have much of an appetite, don't eat a lot when I do, eat slow. I can get up at 830 for work and go all day working (5 pm) without eating or even thinking about it. I have to force myself. If I could just gain like 20 more pounds from where I am right now I'd be happy. I just need to eat more during the day but it's just tough, like I said I have to remind and force myself constantly, it's just not natural for me. The only way I've been able to gain the 35 lbs i did was drinking the calories; I make epic like 1800 calorie shakes every night lol.
My first 10mm that i got was a 7.5 FK BRNO with the 10mm conversion barrel for it. I shoot the 10mm out of it much more than the 7.5 because of availability of the ammo. That pistol is pretty heavy and even with the big counter weight up front that 10mm still packs a hell of a punch and some awesome recoil. Super fun round to shoot.
I came across this man on my FYP, and i realized his name was garamd thumb. Thats a true hearted american(or gun specialist) at its finest.
I'd like to see you test ballistic dummies with different layers on (leather, denim, etc)
I did one in my own time to study the 10mm, vs 41 Mag vs 44 mag debate. I used a similar ballistics dummy and your typical Tee shirt, follwed by a Tee shirt and sweater, then a Tee shirt an old leather jacket, then Tee shirt, light sweater, and leather jacket. My test was done with a Glock 20 SF and I used Underwood's 165 and 180gr Gold Dots for the 10mm back when they still made them, and my own clone using bulled HST's in the same weight and Hornady XTP's. The 10mm in both weights still made pass throughs until the leather jacket was introduced. We also saw a few failures in the bullets such as failing to expand and full jacket separation on all three bullets. All shots were taken from 10 yards and a ransom rest was used. The rumor of nobody should carry 10mm because fear of over penetration is bunk, unless you are using hard cast ammo.
Look up Paul Harrell's channel. He makes what he calls a "meat target." Its a bag of oranges or a watermelon to simulate lung tissue. Pork ribs front and back and pork chops pectorals on the front. It is covered in several layers of cloth, front and back and covered with leather front and back. The 10mm does real damage. I believe it is a pretty accurate portrait of how bad someone's life is going to become if shot in the chest with a 10.
Tools&Targets does that but with regular gel blocks
Some guy does meat targets
@egregiousblunder5395 Are you saying that the leather jacket stopped the bullet? Or simply that the bullets didn't go all the the way through the dummy when they had to go through the leather jacket first?
I am glad you finally did a video on 10mm and specifically the S&W M&P10. It's one of my favorite pistols I've shot and fell in love with it after a few magazines and adjusted to the recoil but it's an amazing pistol and round.
Such a nice feeling gun man, makes shooting 9mm right after feel like airsoft lol!
Wow, So Informative
Winchester personal defense hp white box 45 cal. Open to the size of a quarter. Love ballistics. Love your channel.
165 grain gold dot is my favorite for the 10mm in defensive vs humans. Four legged predators, of the large bear format, you may want 200 grain hard cast lead.
Thank God here in Indiana I don't have to worry about bears. 😆
225 grain hard cast underwood
@@stevenpostorino2755 😮 I bet that's pretty spicy
The RPG 7 is more effective against all apex predators & bank vault doors, so I heard!.
Underwood 10 mm 115grain solid copper at rated 1700 fps. It tested at average 1730 for me. For unruly critters. Same mag loaded in 40 for 2 legged critters. Light load 200 grain between 1.125 and 1.250 overall length😁. In same 10mm firearm. The extractor holds round in place