Why Rangers and Celtic Don't Buy From Scotland Anymore
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Transfer Information by season is from wikipedia.
Amounts are in Euros because they are from Transfermarkt.
Transfer Information by season is from wikipedia.
Amounts are in Euros because they are from Transfermarkt.
Before watching the video, i'll answer the question. It's simply because other Scottish teams won't accept the pitiful transfer fees both old firm teams offer for their players. There is no way either of the old firm would hand another Scottish team £6m-£10m for a player, as that would mean that team could then go out and strengthen their squad significantly, thereby posing more of a challenge. The old firm want the imbalance to remain in Scotland, they have no intention of wanting a more even playing field. That's why they don't, buy from Scottish clubs any more.
You make that sound like we never buy Scots anymore but we do and as you said if we go for an upcoming star like Miovski Aberdeen would want £8-9M etc, but I reckon if Cellic splashed that cash in Jan they would be scoring more and probably still be ahead by more than a few and get a £15-25M return in a few yrs if he reaches his potential. But that big bit bank is not being spent until they know how many Millions are paid out to Torbett and Cairneys victims. I reckon the pay-out will be around 20_40M if each victim gets a mill or two each but knowing the US-style class action the celtic case is using as a blueprint for historical damages the millions that'll be relieved from the cfc bank will be nothing compared to a few transfer embargos success earned during abuse years stripped and many other club killing outcomes. Maybe when the victims of cbc are compensated the people abused by Dunn at my club will come out and sue then both clubs are brought to the rest of the SPFL level on finances for a while till fans replenish the club coffers.
There are literally zero players in Scotland outwith the OF who are worth £6m to £10m, the reason they don't buy Scottish players anymore is simply there are better players available for the same amount money.
@@flucazade they reason the OF don't buy players from Scotland anymore, is that all the good ones have realised they'll do better moving out of the country.
100% Scottish football is in the shitter sadly@@JimmyCrawford
@@flucazadeLewis Ferguson wasn’t expensive or Josh Doig. Portouis
Best channel on KZhead. Do a video on Barry Bannan and why he can’t do nish for Scotland but he’s a magician here st Hillsborough
League position update please
He can’t help being surrounded by pub players can he. Poor old bloke is 34 or whatever he is and dashing round pitch like prime Kante having to do every job
@@harrydawson1272 haha yeah I saw him away at Middlesbrough recently and safe to say he’s not surrounded by quality
He's always been a smashing wee player, but he has his level. He had a spell where he did good for Scotland (as good as anyone else anyway) but we've always had players ahead of him
He kinda got found out as a budget Barry Ferguson at international level. All sideways passes.
The part about OF not being the most attractive is definitely true for Miovski. He'd be insane to go there
Aye who'd want to win trophies & play champions league fitbaw sounds pure sh1te for an Aberdeen player.
@@JIMMYCFC sadly that’s not what modern players think about, it’s all about the ££££ and a player like Miovski will make more in the English championship than at Celtic
@@johnkeilloh2682Championship is a good league.
Aye that and that old firm fans aren’t satisfied when the clubs buy players from the Scottish league
@@johnkeilloh2682 he'll earn even more in a top 5 European league, which is where he'll go. He'd be wasting his time moving to another Scottish side once he leaves Aberdeen
I was wondering about this after watching the Old Firm on the weekend, and I checked the squads of other SPL teams and saw some of the very players you mentioned. Glad to see your channel is taking off, I always knew it would.
The "old firm" doesn't exist anymore. It ceased to exist in 2012, along with the old rangers. It's the Glasgow derby now
@@shugmchugh5107 You posted the same stupid copy/paste reply on the Sky upload a few days ago, find a new hobby, son.
@@MrBannystar no, you're mistaken
@@shugmchugh5107and the famine stopped years ago yet yous are still here
@@shugmchugh5107 someones bitter. Your club literally confirmed the old firm does indeed exist, they renewed the rights to the old firm 😂
Brilliant Video Lad! P.S. I know its early still... But Check Mikey Johnston too now at WBA
I’m truly fascinated with Scottish football and I have always been drawn to Aberdeen or Hearts and I have no idea why. I wish Scottish football could get a better funding to bring Scottish football up to break the rangers/celtic theme
Where you from?
@@shugmchugh5107 Manchester mate
Yes I'm celtic fan and I believe when big 2 us n that mob across city are in Europe we make tons money and we should maybe spread more money about . Or my idea is when we have split the money made Europe or percentage we give should be spread out between other 4 teams at top every season .. so celtic rangers if we give 10 million of 50 to 80 million we make each year from Europe if we give 10 million to 4 other teams in top 6 that be extra 5 million season for which ever teams in top 6 after split if both celtic n rangers give that amount .. and then you'd have Aberdeen hearts n whoever else makes top 6 consistently each year make them handy amount money to reinvest in team and that could be part of agreement for given money down other teams that needs be spent on team n transfers
@@ellisagnew9789 I'm glad a non Scot is enjoying our game
Hearts are the biggest Scottish team, mate (considering the OF don't consider themselves Scottish). Visit Edinburgh. Support the Hearts.
Best football video this year 🙌👏. What an incredible analysis of the Scottish game.
love your videos and would love to see a video about john barnes' time as celtic manager
I'd absolutely love that subject to
Higher prices and better sell ons are major reasons non old firm clubs don’t sell to the old firm. McKenna made Aberdeen around £7m and “if” Ferguson is sold this season, he’ll net Aberdeen around €4m plus whatever the initial was. Miovski isn’t going to Celtic next season he’s got too long on his contract, and Celtic won’t pay the unfront nor the add ons Aberdeen will want.
Good video. The McGinn transfer was a watershed for Celtic. Lawwell didn't and wouldn't pay the cost of goods for a Scottish player because he knew how it would open up the market. None the less the market opened up and Celtic have missed on several Scottish talents since. Probably just should have signed McGinn and used the profits on a Ferguson, Hickey or Doig. But then probably should have signed Mccarthy, McArthur, McCormack, Berra and Fletcher back in 08 and easily recouped the profits then too.
To be fair Lawell doesn't want to pay for ANY player. 😂
@@JIMMYCFC Happy to pay his son to sign cheap diddys tho lol
@@pmcv7 Aye he's another pr1ck. 😂
cost of goods? McGinn went for £2.7m that's absolute peanuts for the player.
Great insite thanks for your input... 🎉
Excellent content, Rangers fan but the days of Scottish inhouse trading is done for me - for the most part. Regretfully there probably wont be a transfer like Scott Brown to Celtic again even though weve seen players with that potential Ferguson, McGinn etc.
In terms of Gers it needs to be said we were burnt by signing players like O'halloron, Hastie, Jones, Lafferty (2nd time) Boyd' (2nd time) and Docherty, either through not trusting them to play in important matches (Every match) or a lack of commitment. Even the most recent success stories are a little iffy. Souttar is good when he can actually play, same with Jack but both are constant sick notes. Wright while arguably being worth the 200k we paid has never really held down a starting 11 place and probably wont in the future.
Souttar is a player I've always rated, but watching him play recently, makes me think being a sicknote has really hampered him
Another banger 🎉🎉🎉
Great video that covers all the important arguments. The quota will be causing issues for both us and Rangers, but now, even if us or them want decent Scottish players, Serie A clubs are such a good option that first team football would have to be guaranteed to the player to get him in. And managers tend to think there are better, cheaper options. Of course, the bloated English football has led to Championship clubs being able to easily swoop for Scottish talent. Japanese players are far cheaper, and do the job, as proven. I think even Korean players would do well, if given consistent minutes. Of course, even as a non-Scot and a near life-long fan of East Asian football, I do think Celtic must have a UK-based core of players. But I believe it'd take a new manager to change trends.
It wasn't manager that signed the Asia boys .. was big ange that brought them all over even 1s from last summer had already signed agreement to come when ange was manager .. and most time I believe at celtic manger isn't havin final say on players coming in nowadays its all down marketing celtic signing these bhoys to then sell jerseys in Asia thats why think we will always have Asian player or 2 in team going forward now .. cause board know sells n makes sense to bank balance.. but I don't think Rodgers is massive fan of shopping over there he much prefers buy from were he knows which is loan's or players from championship lookin kick start career again after bad run.. I would like see us go central n south America yes we have bernebei but that's not worked out but there is good players over there . There is Brazilian players who aren't bein talked up n marketed to sell to big European clubs but would come here and do great job I believe
@@barryohara2099 I agree that Rodgers probably didn't want the Asians. And despite me wanting us to have Asian players, each manager should have the final say on whether a player comes or not. I don't think Brazilians want to come to Celtic, though. We just don't have a track record of successful South American players in general. We don't have the contact network etc.
It’s not bloated, championship is better than the SPL. Acting like Mcginn joining Villa is a bad move.
@@LHBH8 It's bloated with money compared to what it should be, a second tier league.
Great vid - Keep it up
Siegrist is miles better than Bain. It's infuriating that he's no played more!
Imo Siegrist was the best keeper in the country when he was at Dundee United he always made amazing saves against us and rangers
Apparently it's an attitude thing went awol with his gf during celtic Australian tour last year
Nice one
It's hard for celtic & the Rangers to go for fairly untried players when we have to win EVERY game or there's murder. Even if they play well in Scotland doesn't mean they could handle the pressure or up it in Europe but I do hope at some point we go for it cause not only is it better to see one of yer own make it u also keep the money in Scotland so other teams can build then we gave a better league.
There is another element to the "trading" transfer strategy that you've missed: A rising tide lifts all boats. Historically other teams in Scotland resented the Old Firm for poaching talent, then proceeding to kill their careers by sitting them on the bench. This brought down the overall standard of the league as typically those teams relied on the income from those sales to stay afloat, rather than being able to reinvest that income into improving their squads. This helped the Old Firm retain their dominance, but it didn't do much for Scotland's UEFA coefficients, for the quality of the national team, or - crucially - for the value of a player coming out of the Scottish leagues. If the value of a player in the Scottish leagues is higher, the coefficients improved, and the national team successful then the Scottish leagues seem more appealing, which in turn widens the pool of players who would consider a move to Scotland; Poaching players from other Scottish teams undermines all of this, and it does appear that the Old Firm have finally realised it.
Another really good watch.
Do a vid about Carlo Ancelotti at Juventus
We’re the Premiership now, not the SPL. Enjoyed the video though 😁
What about the celtic team that won the european cup first in Britain all players from one area and one city Glasgow.
To be honest, I'd love to see Rangers go in for Barron and Levitt in addition to Shankland.
Great vid I so wanted Ferguson to go to celtic can't believe rangers didn't go for him though
From what his Dad has sead several times he was desperate to go to Rangers, but no bid from any Scottish club was forthcoming.. His Dad has sead he is very much settled in Italy & and can't see him leaving until the later part of his playing carer even if them. Sounds from what his Dad has sesd he feels sund buy Scottish football listed to his Dad ser servrel times on this subject.
At what point do you stop being a Scottish club when the only thing Scottish about them is their fans and the location of the stadium?
Let’s be honest if most of the spfl clubs had the money rangers and Celtic can make they would all buy players outside of Scotland. Just most of the Scottish clubs don’t have the money to do it.
I learned one thing in particular from this video. Hearts being bled dry of their best talent by the two Glasgow clubs. Quite sad. Shame they aren't financially strong enough to keep their best players.
Didn't that wee guy Hickey go to hearts from celtic?
In the same way Andy Robertson went from Celtic to Queens Park. He was released, under the belief he wasn't good enough.
Aberdeen, Dundee United and Hibs have also frequently had their best players poached by the ugly sisters in Glasgow - Hearts aren't anything special in this regard
@@joeboyes7567 Poached really? So you've never made money or had better players than your club deserves loaned to them!
@@JIMMYCFC "better players than your club deserves" the arrogance in that 🤣
Question is, would those players such as McGinn or Ferguson develop as well by staying in Scotland and playing for the two Glasgow teams or would they have stagnated within our game?
No they wouldn't, any young player with a bit of ability should get out of Scotland as soon as possible. THe league is truly appalling with awful football played week in and week out.
Good question. Cal Mac definitely didn't reach his full potential staying at Celtic but I'm glad we kept him
@@smallies7154 Scott Brown is the one player this decade who could have been so much more as a footballer but sat in Scotland with zero competition.
But there some amazing young players like Connor Barron, Lennon Milier, and more
Rangers were not relegated, they were liquidated and replaced by another team with the same/similar name.
Pacific Shelf?
They just weren’t but 😂 yous lot still clutching straws at this is pathetic man
I'm ok with this trend as an Aberdeen fan lol.
It's actually really frustrating to see so many Scottish talents slip through our fingers constantly. If cheap is the way we have to go surely it makes sense to do it in your own country? McGinn, Hickey and even Miovski are all players we could have signed for probably a combined £12 million which could easily turn into 40-50 in a few seasons. Same reason why I'm screaming for players like Vata to be given first team action or he will move away and another talent slips through us. Really hope we get Miller with O'Riley most likely going this summer.
See Lawwell's signing policy. It's ruined the last of my 20s, the best of my 30s and my general love and optimism of football ever.
Missing out on John McGann was a huge mistake for Celtic. He would have been the perfect successor to Scott Brown. Buying Scottish talent shouldn't be about making money, it should strictly be making the team better. I always feel we lack Scots.
Celtics relationship with the man city team definetly helped us get some players for cheap off them
Relegated? 🤣🤣🤣🤣
As has been mentioned already - it does seem like other Scottish clubs are standing their ground with the bigger two, they will no longer just let them come in and piss £1mill or less at their very best players.... thanks to the sales of younger players to European leagues at decent fees and the watershed moment of Brown to Celtic.... they be wanting real money for talents that arguably aren't immediate first team starters for Celtic or Rangers
Old firm starting line up yesterday: English 6 Japanese 4 Scottish 3
“The Gers we’re relegated to the 3rd division ” ….were they, aye?
I do believe it's snobbery and arrogance. I remember when Celtic and Rangers would btch about English teams trying to hoover up talent on the cheap, but they now do the same. I think both teams would be stronger if they'd signed the apex local talent they've been linked with and (reportedly) lost through cheaping out. McGinn at Celtic and Ferguson at Rangers would make both stronger in Europe - these are European-level players. Instead, we roll the dice on "prospects" and wonder why we end up as Euro also-rans. Time to show respect to the league and pay these teams market-rate for players who can make a material difference.
Its why our national team is piss poor. How can we compete when the big 2 dont want to get scottish players
So the best Scottish players choose to play in bigger better leagues and that makes our national team worse!?!?!?
@@markdillon5494 yeah. Look at croatia, switzerland uruguay. All similar size to us. Except all their top players played for the countries biggest clubs. Here our captain got released because he was small
Celtic are definitely the better worldwide marketted team. Even Bloemfontein have a Celtic F.C donning the green & white.
Sevco weren't relegated. They were liquidated and dissolved.
Talented Scottish players have bigger fish to fry these days. Old Firm have killed Scottish football. Their record Scottish signing is still Scott Brown nearly 20 years later. Honestly the Old Firm is a step sideways rather than a step forwards these days, and the only two teams to blame for that are Celtic and Rangers.
Another benefit to playing abroad is that you not in that Scotland
Another thing is they would want to build their league, better clubs more tv rights more clubs in Europe more money so why would they make teams around them worse
I didnt even know Celtic sold Turnbull
Me either
Even a player like duk and miovski are two players Celtic are crying out for, both are physical and the thing we lack most up front this season I feel. £6 mill would have got both probably
Duk is hopeless, you can do much better than him
Celtic wouldn't touch Duk
Get tae duk wae that mate.
It's not good for Scotland in the long run, that's why we haven't qauilfly for a major tournament over 20 years plus. 2 I wouldn't sell my players on cheap either outside rangers&Celtic Teams should be using your youth system more instead of players buying to make it more easier.
you need a good mix
We (hearts) seem to be sneaking in the shadows with getting scottish clubs key players with Dhanda, Penrice and Spittal
Rangers fan here, Hearts might be the best run club in the country for cultivating and utilising the Scottish Market. Teams predominantly Scottish - to my knowledge anyway - and has managed to pull the best striker in the league and a few crackers alongside him. Should be the priority for Scottish clubs we want success across not only the league and Europe but the nation!
They want crazy money 8 or 9n for miovski?
Rangers not using youth players in the 3rd division set scotland back at least a decade
If they had used youth in the 3rd division they'd still be there just now.
@@markdillon5494 no chance. Youth players against part timers?
Mexican players feel this
in other words not enough money in scottish football so foreign imports are a better option than the kings ransom demanded by domestic opposition. there isnt enough money to go around in scotland
Pure mad that rangers didn't try sign ferguson
He is magic in Italy tho under Motta but would be beautiful to watch him become the Star of Scottish football
He is magic in Italy tho under Motta but would be beautiful to watch him become the Star of Scottish football
Derik has sead several times when he has been interviewed on the subject. Lewis is a massive Rangers fan & was desperate to go to Ibrox he even has a sesson ticket, according to his Dad. But absolutely no bid came in for him from any Scottish club Rangers or Celtic. And from what Derik sesd he has no plans to depart Italy anytime soon he is settled in Bologna & his proud to be there captain plus there fans adore him. Derek said he couldn't see a time any time before the later part of Lewis carrer as a player he will return home. It sounds like Lewis feels scorned to buy Scottish club football going buy what his Dad has sesd. I think Scottish clubs have missed the boat on Lewis Ferguson.
@@alanfox691 Barry also said Lewis would go to celtic in a second & him or Derek would have a problem with it but unfortunately we were thinking about it but didn't pull the trigger. He'd have been perfect replacement for Broony.
We need to be looking for much better than Shankland miofski. Spl standard at best. Spend 10 million again on a real prospect like edwourd back in the day
You had to go and remind us about Lammars didn't you? 💀
Celtic will sign Lennon Miller from Motherwell in the summer. We've signed eh Taylor siegrist Hayes Turnbull ffs at one point we even signed the one the only fantastic NADIR CIFTCI. 😂
Great content mate. Shame you're a celtic fan
Even when celtic signed riordan they never played him
Rangers should invest in the Asian market like Celtic has, it's a honeypot.
Along with HITC Sevens this is the only channel I can actually enjoy watching about football.
Because all the good players have been bought by richer teams
Great video. 4:42 Todd Cantwell is wank tho. Isn't even half the player O reilly is
To say that's just nonsense, admittedly O'Rielly will likely command the larger fee and is probably the better player but Todd's a quality player in his own right.
Still wild than someone could be persuaded to spend £14 million on Nathan Patterson..
Not really, potential is often a huge player in these deals. When he broke through he performed well and was tall and fast. He actually started his first full season with Everton well before getting injured and now he seems to be done.
Short sighted is definitely the term I would use personally. And this is why it will not happen overnight, but sooner or later, fans of both old firm clubs will feel a true disconnect between themselves & the squads both clubs have. How can anyone supporting both Old Firm clubs relate to players from Portugal, Japan, or Nigera, for example OK, you have a father & and son the son says to his husband.whare is that player from? "Son says the Dad that player is could whatever the players name he is from, say Portugal, but Dad, I am Scottish. Why is there no Scottish players playing for us today, the father we used to have Scottish players, but we dont have any now. Dad then how am I ever going to play for the incert club because I am Scottish? I am not Portuguese Dad says the son does that mean I should give up playing football all together. Just imagine that kind of conversation in years to come. What kind of message are both Old Firm clubs sending out to future fans 10 to 15 years from now they potential fans could be lost because of the disconnect between fans & club that this transfer policy has helped create. Both clubs do not represent anything to anyone now as far as why they were founded in the first place & the squad of players both Had. Rangers created buy 4 lads from Rosneath how moved to Glasgow for work during The Industrial Revolution how is that represented now with the team on the pitch not at all. Celtic found buy Irish immigrants for charitable purposes how are Celtic representing that with half the team from Japan last I checked Yokahama was not anywhere near Ireland or Glasgow. It's sad. From Alan Shields Hamilton South Lanarkshire Scotland..
scotrish football is such a mess. i mostly blame the spflqrstuv or whatever they call themselves. it's like they're actively trying to destroy the clubs. the scottish prem has very little influence on the national team. i hope as many scottish players move away
rangers were not relegated
Rangers weren't relegated.
Still hurting? 🤭
Celtic taking care if the stray do problem in Glasgow single handedly, signing half of the far east continent 😂😂😂
Lewis going without a fight was absolutely criminal on Rangers behalf 🤷🏼♂️🤦🏼♂️
I won’t forgive rangers for not making an attempt for Lewis Ferguson. He’s football heritage at rangers and we didn’t even make an inquiry.
Just show's how bad our teaching has been 😢
Players in the league are not good to play for Celtic just now.
Nonsense. Miovski would walk it
@@brendanhunter389 that’s your opinion, which is a wild one. He’s decent but not for me.
My club Rangers aren't interested in buying players from rival clubs who voted to kick us out the league apart from the £50,000 spent on Scott Wright from Aberdeen which was sanctioned by the board to keep Steven Gerrard happy which i am ok with as we took one of Aberdeen's better players for not a lot of money and weakened them into the bargain. I don't want Rangers giving rival club's who despise us and wanted us dead and buried millions of pounds for their players ever again. WE ARE THE PEOPLE 🏴 🇬🇧
@@PXL007 I see that you are a fan of Greenock Morton who weren't a premier league club so played no part in voting to demote Rangers down to the fourth tier of Scottish football so if Morton did get promoted to the top division and let's say for arguments sake they got themselves into financial difficulties and went into administration then liquidation, i see no reason for Rangers to vote them out the league as we have no beef with clubs who weren't involved in the process of demoting us and are quite happy to do business with such clubs as we did when we bought Greg Docherty from Hamilton for around £300,000. WE ARE THE PEOPLE 🏴 🇬🇧
@@PXL007 It's their not there. WE ARE THE PEOPLE 🏴 🇬🇧
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Scottish Premiership is a farmer's league. Brutal facts I'm afraid.
Did u actually pay attention to the video at all? A farmers league but yet players from said league are playing in the best leagues in Europe.
Reason don't buy is partly snobbery cause think can get better player abroad more glamorous or something will appease the fans more when sign from abroad..but also players like Lewis Ferguson on thumbnail pic celtic or that mob wouldn't be able afford him cause he will be on decent wage over Italy so unless he is following his heart then big 2 can't get those players due finances
Bassey not even with that price
Another great video, much appreciated HH1888 YNWA
Rangers were relegated? Were they, aye? 😂 Unsubbed 🫵😉👎
get a grip, you massive weapon
@the-blue-barron2791 they weren't relegated. He's right
@@Evemeister12 Like anyone gives a fuck that he 'unsubbed' and the fact some of you Celtic fans still can't let that shit go after all these years is beyond pathetic.
@@the-blue-barron2791 Pretending that you’re pissed off that I unsubbed him (I was kidding) instead of the fact that you are actually pissed off that I reminded you of “give liquidation the red card” 🤣🤣🤣 we’ll never forget and never stop reminding you bud 😙👍🙂
@the-blue-barron2791 he was stating facts about what happened in 2012.
Is brown celtics greatest captain?
An old Celtic supporter here , not a chance , done us a turn yes , just a growler in the same mould as the pointer grant who could point like fxxxx
Sure he won loads, but anyone with the armband during his stint would have done the same. The great captains won against the odds.