The Truth Behind The Disk Pokemon Part 2: Projections
2023 ж. 13 Ақп.
128 478 Рет қаралды
WOW!! My last Video Gained a whole lot of attention so thank you guys so much!!!!
If you enjoyed please subscribe!! I appreciate it a lot. I'm still very new to content creation and editing so sorry for the long wait?
Again, Huge thanks To @Mixeli for some of the footage i couldn't capture myself (cutscenes etc.)
Check out his channel / @mixeli
For Updates Follow me on Twitter / rasenroize
and on Twitch / rasen_roize
Next Video Will Be More Gaming Focused
Song 1: Legendary Quartet Theme
Song 2: AreaZero Theme
Song 3: Sada/Turo Theme
Song 4: Xerneas/Yvelatl Theme
Song 5: Slumbering Weald
Watch Part 3 here!!: kzhead.info/sun/nJqClNyBpqWrf4E/bejne.htmlsi=QQx97ADt0MuAjWyJ
Thanks
Eternal Flower (Floette) with the ability Light of Ruin being a Paradox Pokemon sold this theory for me. It just connects so seamlessly, I would be so bummed if Eternal Flower isn't somehow connected to the Paradox Pokemons.
Eternal Flower Floette being a Paradox Pokémon would explain why there is no Eternal Flower Flabébé or Florges.
There was a recent SV style sprite leak in pokemon home that included a new sprite of ET Floette, could be coming back in dlc 👀
Quick note, Light of Ruin is a move not an ability
@@dragonweirdocreap it's been in every game's code since gen 6
@@bruceU Yeah but they just recently datamined they made it a sprite in the SV style.
It's also kind of interesting how "desire" and "dream" becoming "reality" mirrors Reshiram and Zekrom, where one looks ancient and the other futuristic, and Kyurem being another dragon from outer space who did a massive crater
If the Relic items in the Abyssal Ruins are anything to go off of, Kyurem being split was 3,000 years ago.
Damnn
@@yusheitslv100 the question is, what happened 3,000 years ago?? Did Arceus have a nightmare?
@@ErrorNumber404 🤷♂️
and gen 5 is next in line for remakes
An interesting detail: Riddler Khu said that the third legendary is hidden in plain sight ... It's a giant turtle, look at the map, it's Area Zero and Mesagoza is the head, with the academy being it's crown
It would be a bit weird, according to the books it should be something that Heath was able to see in Area Zero with enough visibility to draw its entire body. The "hidden in plain sight" statement could be referring to something in particular that every player is able to see in Area Zero. My theory: the time machine area is actually the inside of the crystal sphere we can see under the legendary in the drawing.
@@polybius32 could it also be inside the time machine? When it opens up and the AI professor gets suck into it you can see a dark sphere inside. Although this could be part of the machine itself or visual of the portal. @7:06
7months later and it was confirmed to be a turtle tho probably terapagon is smaller than the whole map of paldea.
Ok that connection of floette to the ruin Pokemon was really out of nowhere I love it. These videos honestly give me hope that Pokemon is not just lazily producing stories and i really hope that's the case
Well, to a degree we know they aren't thanks to Gen 5, 6 and 7. The Ultra Wormholes all but confirmed that the GBA Gen 3 games and the remakes with Mega Evolutions were two different realities, and that alone was fantastic lore drops for those who care about such things. They even used that to make cameos of humans popping from one dimension to the other. What I'm saying is that your hope is never completely unfounded, because clearly _some_ people in Game Freak care about storytelling. Ah, and apologies if you knew all this already. I was trying to be supportive.
@@twaggytheatricks4960 I mean Zinnia also proves this too
@@DiscordedHaru _Absolutely._ Her entire arc was loads of fun, too!
sigh in Kubfu
It's the last tiny bit of hope left for gamefreak If any
You're steadily becoming one of the coolest speculators in the pokémon community.
just cause cydonia is taking it easily….
Something very small I noticed that puts the nail in the Koffing is the Tera Hats, specifically Electric and Flying but also applying to others such as ghost or poison. Both electric and flying represent OUR understanding of those two types, not the elemental symbol for the elements. If Terastalization was a naturally occurring phenomenon, electric would be a lightning bolt and flying would be wings, but because it represents our understanding they are a lightbulb and balloons. Same with ghost being Marowak's mother, poison being a skull and crossbones, fire being a chandelier, etc.
The way that you mentioned Pokémon being created from wishes or desires made me think of the Jirachi movie! In it, the main villain - in an attempt to resurrect Groudon - creates a monster instead. Speaking of Groudon, the fact that Primordial Reversion is even a thing (which is associated with orbs/crystals) may be a further example of wishes, but with cults behind them
It's a fact that Primal forms of Groudon and Kyogre are their true forms, from which they became weaker over time. So I don't think it has anything to do with this.
@@aninass It could also be them reminiscing of a time since passed, desiring to hold the power they once had and wield it in the present. However, I don't know how Primal Reversion truly works. Their missing power could have been stolen and hidden away in the orba, but this seems like a reasonable stretch.
Giratina, dialga and palkia also have their own stones that return them into their true forms
@@inva88 I don’t think they count, since after arceus those are like the 2nd, 3rd, and 4th oldest Pokémon ever
@@aninass Isn't this really similar to what happend with the ruin pokemons and the AI. The Cult wished for something (didn't watch the movie, so i go off the infos from the starting message) but Groudon and Kyogre got theire desires (for theire former power) granted.
The Japanese for Floette Eternals Light of Ruin uses はめつ (hametsu) whereas the Treasures of Ruin use わざわい (wazawai), so likely they are not connected. Funnily enough there is another move that does use the same structure as light of ruin from back in Gen 3. The full Japanese for Light of Ruin is はめつのひかり (hametsu no hikari) and the Japanese for Jirachi's Doom Desire is はめつのねがい (hametsu no negai). Good video by the way.
That makes sense, Jirachi’s title is wishmaker
What about eternal flower floets name in japanese? Does it's name correlate with the paradox pokemons name scheme still?
@@regilad_9043 Eternal Flower Floette's form is called えいえん *の* はな (eien *no* hana, meaning 'Eternal Flower'), which sorta follows the future Paradox naming scheme of テツ (Iron) + の (' *no* ', particle to describe material here) + [noun]. So it's kinda true?
@@drafang62 ok, so it has some legs to stand on at least
A few more things, it would seem that changing your pokemons tera type would then be using the tera shards to alter its memory of what it thought it wanted to be, allowing it to become a different tera type. As well the fight with the paradise protection protocol was the disk legendary terastallizing the professor to protect what it has built, maybe it wants to protect and maintain paradox pokemon? In a short frame of dialogue when you're fighting the terastallized professor it says "AI Turo has no intention of fighting any more" Maybe the professor is being held there by the disk legendary and we pretty much set it free when we defeat the real thing that's preventing him from leaving.
Nah, it says that because the AI actively wants you to shut off the machine. The AI is against the professor’s machine, but is programmed to protect it no matter what
On the topic of 3,000 years ago: In 2020, people started connecting the ancient kingdom in Unova (presumably the one that caused Kyurem to split) had something happen 3,000 years ago, as well. The artifacts in the Abyssal Ruins (there's *that* word again) are dated to 3000 years ago, and the Relic Crown is similarly shaped to Zacian's crown and ears when both are looked from the front. Not sure how that fits here, but when you went over the broad timeline at the end, I was reminded of it.
I want to know if Dialga and Palkia are connected somehow
@@sonic23233 The creation trio does have a connection with Unova. The Arceus plates can be found in the abyssal ruins, and in BW2, members of team plasma give the player the creation orbs. Also in Legends Arceus, the ancient hero heavily ressembles Alder, though this connection's pretty loose.
just imagine if the DLC ties the stories of gen 5-9 all together with something huge involving this turtle (not gonna happen but a girl can dream)
I am a believer in the idea of an over-arching narrative that has been in development since gen 5. I think that the twin brothers mentioned in BW, XY, and SWSH are in fact the same brothers.
@@ethacon wouldn't have AZ mentioned the Tao Trio at least once? (Also, when was the meteor strike that gave rise to Mega Rayquaza? I just remembered Zinnia had a line about truths and ideals in ORAS.)
Again, just Thank You to everyone who watched this and the last video. I'm so incredibly Thankful!!
this is such a great series!
i was waiting for this, thank you good sir. just watched it, the connections you made were crazzzzzzzzzzzzzy!!!
It’s a amazing theory!!
These are amazing! I absolutely love them!
last video ateee you were so real for making that vid
A link to Alola is that in the original language of Japanese and all other languages Titan and Totem Pokemon do not have any difference in naming. It was English translators who intentionally changed the name to provide a distinction between the games.
He already said that in Part 1 I think
Another link to Alola (and I mentioned this in a comment of mine) is that the colors of the seals for the Ruinous Quartet represent the types of the four Guardians of Alola. Pause the video at 7:53 to see what I mean.
If you want to go into it even further, you could also go into detail on how zygard is also made of the same hexagonal prisms and can alter it's form by combining the energies of multiple cores
But zygarde wants balance,not wishes
That does make sense
Every cell of zygarde seems to be organic tho. As of right now, no matter how u look at it, trying to fit zygarde into Paldean theories is a waste of time because the only thing they have in common is a hexagonal shape. And hexagonal shapes are found all across real life, even things that are completely unrelated. It’s just life’s favorite shape ig
Also, it completes the alchemical archeus (Pronounced like Arceus).Life, light, chemical, reflection. Zygard, Necrozma, Eternatus, Disc Boi. Something big is happening. (Theory courtesy of Bird Keeper Toby)
@@Cool-Vest_Leo isn't Xerneas the Life pokemon?
Just wanted to let you know that your work, script and editing is already getting _quite_ good. Thank you for covering the topic, too ^_^ Have a sub!
are you a native english speaker? Nothing against you if your not.
A possible connection to necrosma: there have been a ton of mentions of light with regards to mega evolution, dynamax, and terastalization, and Necrosma consumes light. Perhaps it was drawn to the pokemon world to consume that light and gain those powers?
"It absorbs the Light created by the overflowing energy that created mega evolution, dynamax, and terastalization giving itself a new powerful form hence Ultra Necrozma" nice one. It could already fuse with either Soggyleo or Lunala but maybe that excess energy is what allows it to fuse with both to turn into Ultra Necrozma.
@@RedRaikouUltra Necrozma Is A GOD ! 💪🏽😎
@@melvondrewhite2674 possibly
@@RedRaikou another connection I just recalled as well: necromancy body is crystalline. So is the disk pokemon. We know that necrosma is somehow incomplete, with ultra necrosma supposedly being completed but what if it's not? What if necrosma IS another one of these disk pokemon, or else formerly was one. Additionally, has anyone considered how BIG the disk polemon must be? If all the terra crystals were part of its body, this thing must have been nearly incomprehensibly massive. Like eats a whalelord like a goldfish cracker big. Gives Cthulu a run for his money massive. Another possible connection point: if necrosma is shattered, what other pokemon do we know of that have crystalline forms, came from somewhere else, and arrived with a meteoric impact? I think Kyurem, or more correctly the Original Dragon, also seem sort of coincidentally aligned to this. Kyurem can also fuse, much like necrosma, even if it requires human assistance to do so. Kyurem is also supremely dangerous to people much like necrosma (it eats people!) What if that's going to be a future gimic of the games? Enormous kaiju like super pokemon that we can catch a living fragment of or something spawned by its power, but is itself uncatchable like Darkest Day Eturnatus? That's a plot that could be repeated several times with different kaiju scale pokemon with different abilities. The original Dragon, Necrosma's true form, Full power Eternatus, the disk pokemon, etc. But where do they come from? Some other universe? Somewhere else in space or time? Are there more of them there, and if so are they a threat?
@@davidthomas2870 “enormous kaiju pokemon we can only catch a fragment of” Like zygarde before 100% form, or how Arceus only gives you a sliver of itself in PLA.
Great follow-up video! I really appreciate you making the timeline at the end, helps me keep everything straight. I have an idea for how Zygarde may tie into this. Its Pokedex entries state that Zygarde appears when Kalos' ecosystem is threatened, being powerful enough to oppose even Xerneas or Yveltal. So what if Zygarde was manifested from the desire of the people and Pokemon being hurt in just such a catastrophe? What if when the Disc Pokemon crashed into Paldea, the resulting tsunamis and other natural disasters terrified the people and Pokemon of Kalos so much that Zygarde manifested to defend them? This would explain why Zygarde is so powerful, as the Ruin Legendaries being so much stronger than the Paradox Pokemon implies that projections created by the desires of multiple people are stronger than those created by just one person. And Zygarde would be powered by the desire of an entire region. This would also explain another crucial fact about Zygarde: why its so unstable. Zygarde's body often degrades into Zygarde cores and cells, losing the power of its complete form or ceasing to exist entirely. If Zygarde is in fact a projection, then this makes perfect sense because projections can't exist outside the Great Crater and the Disc Pokemon's influence for very long. Even the desire of an entire region isn't enough to sustain Zygarde forever, especially when that desire fades, but its cells and cores manage to persist, like how the Ruin Legendaries are strong enough to presist outside of the Great Crater. The Zygarde Cube which you use to collect the cores and cells may even be an equivalent of things like the Z-crystals and Tera Orbs, specific objects that allow their respective affects to remain active outside of the Great Crater.
so basically, Zygarde is Captain Planet
I'd say more that Zygarde is a counterpart to Diskmon being native to our world as a protector and dispersing when it is not needed
@@Patziken Something random I thought of when you mentioned that: What if Zygarde was made after Xerneas and Yveltal? What if their powers were combined into the ecosystem giving rise to Zygarde? That would also explain why Complete form has both blue and red accents, while 10% and 50% are able to counter both of their auras. Something random I thought of as well, how exactly are Zygarde’s cells able to exist outside of the forms? Cause if they are just “cells” then they would need some sort of outside force keeping them around, like maybe, Xerneas and Yveltal’s energy?
@Roize Rasen The theme of Paldea's story is very similar to that of Alola's story. 1.Paradox pokemon = Ultra beasts (pokemon from other dimensions/Timelines) 2.Arven = Lillie (both being son/daughter of parents who care more for paradox pokemon/ultra beats than their actual son/daughter.) 3.Lusamine = Sada and Turo (Both become evil and mad at the end) 4.Koraidon/Miraidon = Solgaleo/Lunala. ( both are evolutions/versions of same pokemon, cosmog for alola and cyclizer for paldea) 5. Ultra Necrozma = Brilliant Disc ( Reality manipulating giants) 6.Time Manipulation = Space Manipulation (Abilities that were once only exclusive for sinnoh region)
Your Time and Space manipulation reminds of a question I asked a few weeks back which was: all this time tinkering in Paldea, including reaching the past or future creating Paradoxes how come it doesn't come into the attention of Dialga, the controller of time? There's also Celebi but he is only a Time-traveller so I don't think it would matter to him...
Sada and turo weren’t strictly evil. They were programmed to protect the machine and warn you and try to help you
And Z-Crystals! They're tiny and rare, both type-based and Pokémon-specific varieties, protected by Totem/Titan Pokémon and handed out to only the best (kind of like Tera Orbs), and give just a single move's worth of energy burst. Plus there's this interesting bit from the Bulbapedia about them: Holding a Z-Crystal makes Rayquaza unable to Mega Evolve. If Arceus holds a type-specific Z-Crystal, its type changes to correspond to the Z-Crystal via its Multitype ability; unlike with Plates, however, its signature move, Judgment, remains unaffected.
@@RedRaikou When space was manipulated in alola, it didn't get any attention from Palkia aka the God of Space. When eternatus distorted time-space in it's eternamax form(according to pokedex entries) it didn't get any attention from Giratina aka the God of Distortion. So I don't see any problem in dialga not responding to time manipulation in Paldea. I think the relation is similar to that of Mega Rayquaza And Complete Zygarde. They are both seen as protector deities but they only appear in their respective region to stop any threat or major clashes...
@@user-dc4fc1sm1m Yeah good point, I'm not sure of what and how much Palkia actually does while Dialga controls time itself but yeah Eternamax eternatus is god level chaos so it should have even come to the attention of Arceus himself.
Shit that Gen 6 pull was the deepest cut, that's actually incredible. Excellent work.
I'd say this aged pretty well
Just like how Ash’s story in the Pokémon anime came to a closure with everything coming together. I feel like the Pokémon games are also trying to bring it all together with this DLC.
Interesting, that might be true. A completely new story might be planned for Gen 10 at their 30th anniversary. So all the previous gen storyline might connect to Paldea and we might get a conclusion.
I couldn’t help but notice that the members of the Elite Four bear some resemblance to the Treasures of Ruin (Rika to Ting-Lu, Poppy to Chi-Yu, Larry to Chien-Pao, and Hassel to Wo-Chien). Maybe Geeta is meant to be a parallel of the Paldean emperor and her goal is to try to find the disk Pokémon in Area Zero to free it and/or have its powers under her control. To help her she’ll enlist the player, Arven, Penny, Nemona and possibly other Champion-ranked Trainers (she does have their phone numbers, after all) in addition to the Elite Four under the guise of protecting the region from the disk Pokémon. As the story progresses, the Elite Four realize Geeta’s true intentions and turn against her, helping us to defeat her. Just as the Treasures of Ruin toppled the Paldean emperor’s reign, so too will the Elite Four end the rule of Paldea’s Top Champion.
You know what, I may be crazy but I also found myself noticing similarities in the elite four theme and the ruin quartet theme. Probably is nothing but, who knows
There's an elite four, four musketeer Pokémon, four totem Pokémon, and now four Ruin Pokémon...the number does come up multiple times
@wessltov Four Wind Pokémon (though added retroactively), that are specifically inspired by the opposite thing the Treasures’ are based on.
@@adamnakamura8003 That's another good one! I don't know what they're all inspired by thought. What do you mean by "the opposite thing"?
@wessltov The Deities (even before Enamorus) are based on the four symbols of China (Black Tortoise, Azure Dragon, Vermilion Bird, and White Tiger.) The Treasures are based on the symbols’ evil counterparts, the four perils (Hundun, Qiongqi, Taowu, and Taotie.)
I think it's also interesting how the Scarlet and Violet books have the respective legendaries in them, even though they didn't exist until Sada/Turo brought them to the present.
With all the strong and incredibly plausible connections you made between Kalos, Galar and Paldea, I'm starting to think it ultimately wasn't a coincidence to have all of them take place in regions that are part of Europe (or rather the Pokémon equivalent of Europe), having basically all of them next to each other.
I love the connection made with Floette and the Ruin Pokemon, is it possible that energy from the ultimate weapon imbued the items; Beads of Ruin, Sword of Ruin, Vessel of Ruin, Tablets of Ruin with a special energy that resulted in the Pokemon's existence when the great desire was present? Was there a connection with the markings on the ground in one of the Area Zero caves to anything?
What the minute did opponent who defeat original necrozma was disc pokemon? Omg the lore is insane.
In one of arvens postgame cutscenes, he mentions how the violet book speaks of past and future Pokémon before his parents Time Machine is made. He also mentions how his father quote unquote, made his dreams a reality.
Usually people don't talk about how tera gems have eyes and need to be recharged... In Pokemon centers and crystals. Plus the whole thing used the ring of the orb and the little gem inside to make the crown. Also it's a literal PokeBall
This is fascinating because it connects several of the out of universe considered "Hollower" games together creating a convoluted situation where it's questioned "whos fault is it that this mess happened?"
This is such an amazing time to be coming up with theories. They gave us so much to work with and it's so fascinating seeing what people come up with. The connection to Eternal Floette and the Ruin Legendaries blew my mind. We are _definitely_ going back to Kalos soon.
honestly i would prefer em remaking gen 6 as a remake for the switch instead of its own dlc or dif game
I think there is a connection between terastalize and dynamaxing. There is an interview someone asks Junichi Masuda and Shigeru Ohmori about how dynamaxing works in lore, and they said the pokemon aren't actually growing to become giant, that it's an projection or an illusion that kinda becomes real. And they didn't wanted to respond further than that. It sounds very similar to the terastalize phenomenon.
This was mentioned in the previous video I'm pretty sure
The first video you did theorizing about the Disk Pokemon and how so much of the Pokemon universe starts to fit together because of that instantly got me hooked on wanting to know more, and this part 2 absolutely delivered. One of my friends and I had actually thought about where Eternatus could have come from and what it truly is, and some of the ideas we had are the same you shared in these two videos, which sent us crazy with inspiration and got me thinking even more about them. This is the first time in a long while I've been practically vibrating with excitement over Pokemon theories, absolutely made my day with this video
This makes a ton of sense and really takes me back to the old Gen 7 Alchemy Theories. The idea that this lore could all be really thought out and connected is unlikely knowing Game Freak, but if it is, this is some of the coolest background mythos in games in general
I’ve been talking about a lot of this stuff with a friend lately, but you noticed so many big details that we missed. One thing we do think we figured out is the connection between the disk Pokemon and Z-Moves, though. The stones used for it are connected to fragments of Necrozma, who lost them in battle and is in a pain-induced rage as a result. There are parallels to how Eternatus’ energy was able to be utilized for Dynamax after it was defeated by Zacian and Zamazenta. Both of these Pokémon left behind something desirable, and both of them likely wouldn’t be happy to find that what they’ve lost is being used in such a way. Disaster would likely ensue if/when they returned.
Something that caught my attention is the disc like logos at the end of the credits in movies. Movies are fictional creations like the power of the disc pokemon.
While listening to this video, I was wondering why the idea of a power that can make dreams come true sounded so familiar to me. Then I was reminded of the third Pokemon movie (Spell of the Unown), since it's literally the power of the Unowns in this film. I wonder if it's just me X)
I thought it too. It has a castle made of crystal, but it propably doesn't connect to the games anyway.
@@nousukas It is true that there is a lot of crystal in this movie X) But the funniest thing is that the creations made by the unknown themselves seem to be made of crystal (you see it in particular with Entei when he forms), like the professors in the game. I also don't think they planned such a connection so many years ago, but I really like the parallel :p
As of scarlet and violet there is a new theory about the pokéball pattern on the foongus line. it's pokemon scarlet entry it says: "There is a theory that the developer of the modern-day Poké Ball really liked Foongus, but this has not been confirmed." so maybe it's the other way around and this explains Brute Bonnet pattern.
ITS FINALLY HERE Thank you Rasen for all your hard work
Ratio
This may be my first time finding a channel this good that's this new. I'm excited to see your inevitable rise to prominence with content this well thought-out and presented!
This is awesome thank you for making these connections! I hope our collective hypes turns this into reality
Man, this doesn't feel like your third video. From the theory, script and editing this is extremely well done and interesting! Once the DLC is out it would be interesting to see some sort of comparison between your predictions and what ends up actually being the explaination
Awesome video, between you and Tyranitartube, I'm loving these speculative videos
Absolutely love this! Hope to see more videos from you in the future soon!
Wow, this "Light of Ruin" entry with the music gave me goosebumps. Amazing video
I'm subscribing because i simply loved you script, your narration and theories... amazing work, keep up
CANNOT STRESS how awesome your videos are. Havent started the video yet but im so excited. Ive been waiting for this video!! When I went to your profile last video for more content I was shocked to see just a small bunch of videos your videos are AMAZING I cannot wait for more content!!
These videos are so well made. I loved the speculation and its cool thinking they might be building a big connected story unfolding.
Legends arceus seems important to me, from the time fuckery and space time distortions, to the fact that arceus is light and the stones restore the original forms of dialysis and palkia, must like how ultra necrozium restores the true form, but these forms can be restored otherwise, either for the past decade Pokémon has been copying their own homework or they are hinting at something, it’s up to you.
Incredible analysis! Makes so much sense now that the Ruination Pokemon would be "created" during that ceremony in the Area Zero cave based on the projected desire/emotion of the people involved. The AZ Floette "Light of Ruin" connection was another great find! Even more hyped for Pokemon Day now ^_^ Great editing, too!
The theme of Desire also fits perfectly with the games theme of "finding your own treasure"!!!
Great video! It be great to see kind of link to all of these space or different universe Pokemon.
Scarlet's Pokedex entry for Foongus the preevolved form of Amoonguss, States: There is a theory that the developer of the modern-day Poké Ball really liked Foongus, but this has not been confirmed. >.> Also the White Entry: For some reason, this Pokémon resembles a Poké Ball. the X Entry: Why it resembles a Poké Ball is unknown. & the Sword Entry: No one knows what the Poké Ball-like pattern on Foongus means or why Foongus has it. Pretty much says that it's Pokeball resemblance has an Unknown Purpose.... And the fact that Amoonguss's Entries that state that it uses these patterns to try and lure pokemon also States that they Aren't Fooled by it White & X Entries: They show off their Poké Ball caps to lure prey, but very few Pokémon are fooled by this. Violet Entry: Amoonguss mimics Poké Balls. It is not yet clear whether this mimicry is effective against other Pokémon. Yeah no.... there Really doesn't seem to be a good reason why they would evolve to have this appearance...... Which kinda gives more credence to that Scarlet Pokedex entry for Foongus
I have something very minor connecting alola to this whole thing. In pokemon USUM you are able to use solgaleo/lunala to go into the ultra ruins, an apocalyptic visage of hau'oli city in an alternate dimension where guzzlord is found. The thing that the resident of the region upon entering the area is something akin to the player 'coming back' to the city, which makes me think that maybe this ultra space is the reality that happens if the player doesn't return from the journey and lets the ultrabeasts destroy the world. I am thinking that maybe the existence of the paradox pokemon could be in some way similar to that of the ultra ruins reality. It isn't necessarily far-fetched to say that legendary pokemon can come from ultra wormholes as well as we can find pretty much every legendary ever in these wormholes, perhaps it is just a matter of being called into the real world. I don't think I am smart enough to draw any sensible conclusions from this, but I will leave it to all of you wonderful people to speculate on.
Great video! Question/Theory I’d like to put forward. I agree completely that paradox Pokémon are just projections by the disk Pokémon, rather than actually being from the distant past or future. However following that logic, I have to ask, where does the wormhole lead? It doesn’t make sense to me for the wormhole to truely being able to send something forward or backward in time because what would be the point of creating the paradox pokemon if the time machine worked the whole time? I don’t think it does honestly. This is where it gets far fetched. Your theory seems to be this game will tie the lore of gens 6-9 together. I think it tie Gen v in too. If the disc Pokémon fulfills the dreams and desires of those around it, maybe the wormhole leads to the Pokémon dream world from Gen V. While it’s just a forgetton and poorly implemented gimmick in the games, in the manga the dream world was where reshiram and zekrom lived while inside of the light and dark stone and the stones act as a kind of portal between the real world and dream world, even allowing people to enter the dream world. Masuda has said he thinks of Gen IV as an end of an era for Pokémon and Gen V as the start of a new one. It’s totally possible Gen v will get left out and only the 3d games will get tied together I think it would be very fitting if Gen 9 acted as a way to tie the lore of every game since Gen V together. Maybe it will even be a finale to the second “era” of Pokémon.
Within Lysandre’s books and things it talks about both the Ultimate Weapon and the Anistar Sundial being creations of a higher power not understood by even modern engineering, it sounds similar to the way the AI Sada/Turo talk about themselves, I also think the hexagonal design serpent creature associated with the earth is too closely linked to Zygarde to be a coincidence
It's mindblowing the amount of thought and connecting went into your two parts! One thing I do speculate is if Sada/Turo imagining the Paradox Pokemon also introduced them into different time periods, such as when Heath visited the crater. Heath would record what he saw in his journal, inspiring the professors to imagine them, creating a paradox in itself.
i guess it makes sense for dynamax, mega's and terra to be related since it all takes place in europe. These two videos are the main reason i'm super hyped for the dlcs now. Amazing job!
This is easily the most fun gen just for the speculation and connect-the-dots material alone. Your video (inconveniently) reminded me how the Pokeball design itself resembles the Wheel of Life and death, which is composed of 6 compartments.
IF by some miracle you haven't seen bird keeper toby's lore video on this stuff, you absolutely should. He made several of these connections AND goes into the same questions you ask, but with some very interesting stuff!
Thanks bro for uploading... waiting for it desperately after watching the first part
I just finished watching part 1 and I was so happy to see that part 2 is out already! I want more lore videos because this is a great. 😃
This was such a pleasure to watch. Your really deserve more views.
It made me so happy to see another theory video, and the timeline is really well laid out
Everything about this theory is so satisfying and I love everything about it. Fantastic work!
This theory feels like it should be true in so many ways it just all connects so seamlessly
Never have I waited for a part 2 of a video ever, this was amazing
This video just kept getting better and better and its not even over yet! Thank you for all the effort and work put into the connections Roize, these last two videos have been WILD
@Official_Roise_Rasen eat dirt
Okay I am loving these ideas. Floette alone is gonna keep me curious for days. Cheers! Hoping to hear more of your thoughts.
Such amazing things I would have never though about, thx for the great videos!
Thank you for reminding me just how awesome the XY games were, with the Battle! Xerneas and Yveltal theme. You make some really sound and logical relations between the concepts presented throughout the games. I hope these ideas come alive in future games
This is dope 🔥 Straight heat research and theorizing.
I've been eagerly awaiting this vid since u uploaded part 1 :) this was great Now we wait for dlc!!! (or ig pokemon presents first)
I think this is one of my favorite aspects of Pokémon and our community. I love learning more about the lore and hearing theories.
I subscribe to Bird Keeper Toby's theory that the third Legend in recent games (Zygarde, Ultra Necrozma, Eternatus) are all pieces of Arceus via real world parallels to Alchemy. That would make this creature the fourth and final piece: Reflective.
Really startin to love this channel lol and the pink crystal slightly remind me of diancie and carbinks
Honestly fantastic. Well made, we'll researched and honestly one of my favorite theories. Bird keeper toby is also up there as well. What do you think of his theories?
Fully earned the sub. Excellent video ❤
OK ARE WERE FORGETTING THAT HOOPA CAN CREATE PORTALS?!
I'm starting to think the Disk Pokemon is the anti-Arceus/genius of the lamp Arceus created the pokemon and their 18 types The Disk Pokemon can create new pokemon based on the desires of people in Area Zero (but they can't reproduce) and fake 18 types that can be given to pokemons based on their nature. It is located in the deepest pit, while Arceus is in the highest mountain Also, I think the Hourglass represents Paldea (upper triangle), the Disk Pokemon (lower triangle) and Area Zero (the intersection)
There’s also the Type Plates and Tera Crystal Shards being able to change a Pokemon’s type if used correctly (Multitype for the Plates, Meals for the Shards). Both also give a damage boost for their respective type.
Was so hyped to see this in my sub box man ♥
This video really just kept hitting me with the "BUT WAIT, THERE'S MORE" and now I'm convinced
thank you big papi for blessing us with this information.
Im pretty sure I read somewhere, that the ruin pokemon pattern in area zero when placed on top of Paldeas map lines up with where they are sealed. Not sure though but I thought it was interesting. Great video and I hope 100% of it is correct because you are a mad scientist 🔥
About the amonguss thing, in one of the Pokedex entries about fungus, his pre evolution, says that There is a theory that the developer of the modern-day Poké Ball really liked It and just based on It to create the Poké balls, at least this one is not a paradox, but others are, by sure
The fact that gholdengo was made by a curse itself. How the king "bath" the guy who give him the objects in gold.
Lez go I have been waiting for this for soooooo long
I think 'Brilliant Disc' is the paradox name of that third legendary!!!
Well to throw a minor spanner in the mix it seems that we see Paradox pokemon being true to their names. Modern pokemon being presented with past or future adaptation. With the future its modern pokemon that are more nature based being altered with robotic like modifications while in the past we either see past versions or almost stranded and feral versions of modern Pokemon in time. As Roaring moon looks like Mega Salimance in a way. 13:47 in Pokemon White and Black the origin dragon that would become Reshiram, Zekrom and Kyrem appeared 500 years after the Darkest day/Ultimate weapon/ruination, so it could be said that Unova's ruination in ancient times was caused by the crystals as well calling these beings.
Late to comment but ooo I should’ve expected my assumption that mega evolution wouldn’t tie to all of this somehow AHAH. Interesting take of all this really, and while I’m personally staying in the skeptics if south kalos is dlc, this theory is still very well constructed. I feel a lot of Pokémon lore videos from what I’ve seen in the past don’t use much of what’s stated in game, and instead expand stuff out of personal view for the sake of making stuff up, so I really appreciate you taking the time to look into all the stuff states in game ranging from Pokédex entries to the stuff in the books and tieing it all together, even with the blank parts you admit that are missing. This video also changed my entire perspective of paradox Pokémon, as I was under the belief of them being from the past and future- but there is many holes in it all that I even wonder if the ai got sent to the past/future. (The “Time Machine” might as well be a dimensional portal now with this theory) Really looking forward to how dlc will expand this if we get to see the disk Pokémon, and even if this theory ends up aging, it was still a lot of fun. Looking forward to what else you might speculate on.
3 videos and amazing editing, theories and 9.7k subs? Remember me when you get famous
amazing video! i love how we're finally getting a story that's worth theorizing about after the mess we got in galar. i think the crater may have actually been caused by the ultimate weapon, which banished the disk pokemon to an alternate dimension, like ultra space, hence how it only ever comes to people in dreams, and has planets floating behind it. it was using the paradox pokemon to get sada and turo to work on the time machine, to have them invent tera orbs, so that it can strengthen its connection to our world, to hopefully one day return.
because the only event that happened "millions of years ago" was the formation of the crater but this could just be false. i think disk and zygarde have too much in common to be unrelated, i think it's gotta either be a 1000% zygarde form, or more likely, a sibling or something. this would explain its involvement in the war, and why it was hit by the ultimate weapon and banished into an alt dimension
I keep thinking about how Eternatus is a Poison type, and so is the Glimmora line, who are confirmed to have a structure similar to the terastal crystals... It always confused me why Eternatus was Poison, as nothing in the games mentions it causing illness, but now I think I get it. Like, it's Poison because it "poisons" space itself, corrupting it, making it portray Pokemon as different than they really are (Dynamaxxing). Also, the way that Sada/Turo became obsessed with Area Zero reminds me a LOT of Lusamine's obsession with Ultra Beasts, and Lusamine's mind was a least partially influenced by *Nihilego's poison*. So, the Disk Pokemon may be a Poison/Psychic type, Psychic because of its ability to see someone's desires, and Poison because what it's doing is corruptive, parasitic, or just plain wrong in an eldritch sense, a being which "poisons" both reality and mind.
To add to this, we still don't know what Pokemon or Thing (#1) made Arven's Mabosstiff so ill that it couldn't be healed by current medicine or PokeCenter (#2)! #1: No one seems to mention this but we never get a moment in Area Zero where Arven's like "Oh No that's it! That's the thing that hurt my partner!" it apparently wasn't any of the current Paradox Pokemon and Arven couldn't even tell if it was a Pokemon... #2: An illness caused by something that might not even be considered a Pokemon, of which we already have the Poison Alien Eternatus and Poisonous Ultra Beasts with potentially infinitely more we just haven't seen yet...
Just a quick set back on that Lusamine point, she only ends up inside of a Nihilego is SM not USUM, and that's only at the end of the game So she spends most of the game not infected by it, if she even was Secondly it's confirmed that Lusamine wasn't obsessed with Ultra Beasts because she was being manipulated or wanted a strange collection of them, she was researching Ultra Space to look for her husband, who went missing in an Ultra wormhole I'd say that's a fair amount different from Sada/Turo's wanting to bring entirely new existences into the world and try and integrate them extremely irrationally
Love these videos. Just some ideas for you that I'm still wondering about 1. Why does ultra megalopolis look like the crater area in the depths like the buildings or structures that are covered in crystals 2. How do other legendary pokemon play into this like deoxys another seemingly mysterious pokemon who just happened to come from space How does it play into this. Or like hoopa it can travel through rings. 3.What's is ultra space where does it link into pokemon
Another thing that might be worth something is Hoenn was in it’s primal state, with Primal Groudon and Kyogre wreaking havoc, was 3,000 years ago too, alongside the darkest day and AZ firing the ultimate weapon.
This is amazing, and your theory/thoughts made me actually like the "fake" legendary birds, they're paradoxes it makes so much sense now.
this pokemon series is so epic. can't wait to see what the actual dlc shows us
these two videos were 100% the best ones yet on the topic, they cover everything so well, with theories that just makes sense maybe we could get a game with all mega + z move + dynamax + terastalize???? probably never going to happen for reasons like competitive or game budget, but damn it would be cool to see everything coming togheter everything about this just kinda awakens my inner 11yo self, when I got Giratina or beat Cynthia for the first time on my first DS, it just warms me up
i was waiting for this, thank you good sir.
Oh brother your videos are so good!
Great video! I'm wondering if the holes in your theory you point out partly exist because you haven't taken into account the origins of Reshiram, Kyurem, and Zekrom as well? I haven't played Gen V but I know they came from another world as one being at first before splitting into three. Between then and the events of Legends Arceus, it's surprising the Pokemon world isn't a solid nexus of so much otherworldly phenomena.