IDAHO 4 | Developing a THEORY (with evidence & facts we know so far)| PART 4
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Part 1: • The IDAHO 4 | Timeline...
Part 2: • The IDAHO 4 | PCA, Whi...
Part 3: • The IDAHO 4 | Bryan Ko...
Intro: 00:00 - 00:46
Why 4/6 people?: 00:46 - 05:32
The target(s): 05:32 - 15:09
Kaylee’s stalker: 15:09 - 17:11
The perpetrator(s) & three other male DNAs: 17:11 - 21:25
Videos:
• Moscow Police Department Press Conference, 17.11.2022: • Moscow Police Departme...
• The Goncalves family interview, 13.1.2023 • EXCLUSIVE GONCALVES DO...
Articles, etc.:
• Kuula 3D model of 1122 King Rd.: kuula.co/post/NW9rR/collectio...
• The affidavit: www.documentcloud.org/documen...
• Dylan Mortensen allegedy thought the noises were her roommates partying: nypost.com/2023/02/12/survivi...
• Three other male DNAs: edition.cnn.com/2023/06/25/us...
Pre meditated 100%
I don't think this crime was committed by just one person. I also think different weapons were used at least two
I totally agree. More than one knife, which explains why Bill Thompson is refusing to turn over copies of the autopsy reports to the defense. Even stranger considering this is a DP case. Makes no sense. Somethins up!
💯 @@pennygallinger8615
Right with you
You made a lot of sense. The one thing that I don't agree with is the stalker. It doesn't make sense that the only person she would mention this to is a random guy she doesn't know at a smoke shop. A stalker has never been confirmed.
That's true, it hasn't been confirmed
@@LanaMarie Bill Thompson in the hearing today said the stalking rumor was false information.
@@marcbee1234Yes. I listened to the hearing today. I said BK *may* have been that stalker in my theory, but it could have been someone else entirely. Which I think is more likely anyway, I suspect it was someone who knew KG and her friend group.
@@LanaMarie I've been trying to figure out the thud heard on neighbors cam at 4:17am, any thoughts? Well done by the way!
Bill T in court said there was NO stalker. the last court case.
I wonder WHY she went home fir a few weeks n was hesitant to go bk
Me too and her parents know this information but don’t say anything but I get it they are kept quiet by lawyers
I still think the frat party fight could have really been a big issue and targeted Eathan. They could have been drunk and high and angry and wanted to go finish him off but ended up doing a lot more. It's the only one that makes the most sense to me without getting into some INSANE theories
The only thing that makes sense is the surviving roomies thought it was frat guys rough housing or playing a prank .
I absolutely agree! I think, there were severe struggles before that escalated at that party. Maddie and Xana got to be Involuntary witnesses later or they might have tried to interfer.
@@suzannek3493that doesn’t make sense, because 1 of the girls stepped out and saw a shady character leaving the house, and didn’t do anything until 8 hours later Something ain’t right about that
I’m leaning towards the frat party and or Linda lane with Ethan n Xana being targeted and then Linda lane with Maddie and Kaylee being targeted by similar suspects / friends of… with that said, the only thing I feel confident in saying is that there are criminals getting away with murder at the moment… Thank you for sharing this whole thing is beyond disgusting and tragic.
Yeah, you could be right. So, sad that those Frats boys, could just kill them the way they did. What I remember from months ago, Ethan owed some money to somebody. Not sure...I could be wrong. But, didn't ALL of the victims sold drugs? The 4 was living a very risky life.
I genuinely admire the way you utilize a methodical thought process and the way you explain how you arrived at your position at the moment on a specific element of the case; and then provide a brief rational of what moved from an alternative theory. I can also appreciate that you leave the findings open as further information is discovered. And Boy oh boy.. new details have surfaced that will have everyone chartering, as recent as today.🤷♀️ Looking forward to Part 5 of your 4 part series!🙆♀️ 💎🕊🙋♀️
L8ke the prosecution stating Kohberger was not stalking the women of 1122 ?!
@@tonystevenson26 Yeah that's definitely one of them. There is dozens of arguable points that were brought to light during the last hearing. Thompson telling the media that the PCA when it is released contains all the information they have based on facts. And encouraging the media to get it out there fast to everyone and anyone interested in the case. The hearing itself was a violation of the anti dissemination order. And Thompson did what he does. Spewed More Bullshit Narative
I honestly don’t think this was BK I have thought this from the beginning. I find it INSANE that they did nothing with the dna on the glove
How bout that jacket LE found , picked something out of the pocket, and threw back down on the ground ?!.
Hey! I want to give some of my opinions about this case... Firstly, it was an Saturday dawn, and college students, especially those living alone in a college town, are used to partying on weekends. That being said, I think DM may have gone out to party that night, and therefore, I consider the possibility of her being under the influence of some (synthetic) drug that may have made her feel insecure and unwilling to socialize, in case there was a party at the house. This fact could also justify her opening the door three times. When you're under the influence in this way, things get confusing, and it's normal to take nonsensical actions. If that's the case, there would be no reason to include this information about her being on drugs in the PCA. It's a fact that only the police and involved law enforcement need to know. After all, this truly damages a person's image, who's still alive and has a whole life ahead. I don't think it makes sense for the perpetrator to be watching from the cars in the parking lot. Because Maddie and Kaylee didn't leave with their cars that night, we know they went out to a bar to drink and returned home with app driver. In other words, their cars were parked in front of the house throughout the night. I think the only thing that makes sense is Maddie being the target. If you consider that she was the target, the perpetrator wouldn't even need to know the interior of the house to know where her room was, as she had a large, pink "M" decoration on her window, which was fully visible. He went straight to the third floor, ignored DM's room, and in my opinion, he went straight to Maddie's room. I think if Kaylee were the target, the killer would hardly enter Maddie's room because from the parking lot behind the house, you could clearly see the "M" in her window. The perpetrator knows the name of his target, and wouldn't want to waste time searching for the right room; any clue, like an "M" in the window, would deter him from entering that room or help him go straight to the target. And also, according to the information from the Gonçalves family, Kaylee was trapped and fought for her life, so which makes us to think Maddie was the first and was probably asleep while being stabbed, and Kaylee woke up with all the movement and found herself in a situation with no escape. I agree with what you said about the possibility of DM yelling for silence and drawing the perpetrator's attention to the second floor, and coupled with the information we have that Xana and Ethan were awake eating doordash and proprably with the lights on, I believe that they really were in the wrong place at the wrong time. Finally, I also have a huge doubt about whether it was just one person who committed this crime or more. I believe it only makes sense for there to have been more than one perpetrator if there were indeed more than one target. According to the information since the beginning of the case, and law enforcement stating that there it was a targeted crime, I think I can consider more towards the fact that it was only one person with one target, and things just got out of control. I also have a doubt whether BK was the perpetrator, especially since it has already been made clear that there is no evidence connecting him to the victims, in the hearings that have already taken place. And sorry for the long text, I'm really interested in discussing this crime. I appreciate your video and content!
After the audio I don't think the crime took place in that house. Two crimes.
Glad I found you. I enjoyed this. Thx. ❤
Excellent points! I found you in my suggestions now im your newest sub. Looking forward to doing your ID4 playlist.
Very smart assumptions that I’ve not heard before! I like your independent thought processes as theory’s go and they make more sense than I’ve heard.
Love your logic. Thank you.
I appreciate this so much. Your interpretation is EXACTLY mine!!! I am not a huge true crime junkie- but I’ve been addicted to this case since day 1. Too many missing parts and too much common sense dismissed. Will be watching your videos going forward.
Same lol went down the rabbit hole for weeks
We have been told that this was a "party house," and we have seen videos of parties there regularly -- whether or not any of the lease holders were present. As such, I find it hard to believe that there wasn't party at the house on this particular night, a Saturday night following a big game that afternoon. Although we're supposed to believe that the house was quiet, and that all the residents and Ethan were either sleeping or on their way to bed, I suspect that a typical group of partiers were on premise, and that this group, all of whom were known to the occupants, planned and executed this crime.
Payne stated there were " others' there"
I wonder did Kaylee's MOM/DAD or even Sister visited Kaylee's rental? Seems to me, Kaylee's Sister or brother know anything about Moscow?
Yes it was a party house that's why I think it was Frats.... Brian was older why would he be there....Brian is Innocent.... It's a cover up for the school..
First time watching your channel. I like that you use common sense. Your theories are intelligent and your research is good. Look forward to watching more of your channel.
To this day, no one has ever said where DM was that night and who with!!!!
Yea..and why is that..I wonder...and why there is no more info from her after she seen him leave up to the 911 call...what was she doing all that time
Remember there were four people running from the house at 3:15. I believe those four are the killers coming from the house. I believe these killings were done by kids that went to the university. It could have been about drugs or maybe something else. The something else could be about Hudson Lindow who was in the frat and Ethan knew Hudson. Could Hudson have been murdered and Ethan knew about it. If so I then believe Ethan told the girls so all four of them then knew of the murder of Hudson.
Exactly💯 LE should want to know who all unknown male DNA found within the murder scene belongs to!
Yeah, no family tree IGG built for them...
DM TOOK PLEASURE DOING HER PART
If they diddnt tore the house down, we wouldve known and see how Dylan was standing behind the door and how far she couldve seen. And we couldve had a feel about the other rooms in relation to where she was.. how thin the walls were... and it was old flooring..
The jury could have
You don't go into shock phase unless you see something scary it was a party house you don't freeze unless you have a reason too
I think the door dash was a way fir them to get into the room they knew the door lock had been changed the week before only one WAY to get the mouse out of the room DOOR DASH
@becagardner7594 I believe they where already dead and the doordash scenario is a red herring to make people believe they where still alive
The telling Adam thing doesn't make sense because of js saying they are going to get you. Surely he wouldn't say that if the conversation was about jd
Debunked, he didnt say that
@@susaninthehizzy what did he say then? Is that entire recording also debunked? Speaking of debunking videos, why weren't LE using their cameras , and why weren't LE interrogating "suspects in person, if even that ? debunk the PCA with Payne, Green, Lie, I mean Fry and FBI involved.
17:53 to 18:07 - precisely … I keep coming back to what you said there no matter what mine or anyone’s theory is… Thank you for sharing your thoughts and theory… It’s all we got as there are so many possibilities….but then there are just some that I am very confident aren’t the case..
Is this entire video on high-speed or is there something wrong with my phone? I can barely keep up with you and you have a beautiful voice when it's not on high speed 🤷 edit: it was my phone 😂
Bryan k innocent frats needs to be looked at
Yes that's what I think too....Brian is Innocent...
Especially RHO.
Thank you for not claiming a bunch of conspiracy theories without evidence as many other channels have done.
After the party (and the fight) everybody knew Ethan would be going back to the house with Xana....I believe Dylan and Bethany were either not in the house or warned something would happen. IMO Ethan was the target or one of the targets. And I believe Ethan and Xana died first - due to severe fights in the frat.
Agreed
I definitely agree those girls were gone...b4 it started or during...I have been saying this for awhile...they came back with friends in the morning like nothing happened-maybe they didn't know a murder scene would happen at the house but they excused themselves from the house for a reason...DM whole report is a hoax
I'm beginning to gravitate towards the realization that a complete stranger would not go up to the 3rd floor without being seen and would not start the crime on the 3rd floor when there was no direct exterior exit from that level -- except for, potentially, a window. But LE doesn't report that the suspect exited via a 3rd floor window; rather, they say he started on the 3rd floor and came back downstairs. The idea of a solo stranger starting on the 3rd floor and then coming downstairs where people were obviously awake and alert makes no sense. It is my opinion that at least 1 household member had to have ben involved.
I agree, i think it was someone familiar with at least the house, if not the residents too
LE hasn’t said what floor the crime started on.
@@LanaMarieRemember, Kaylees mom said early on in one of the first interviews that she thought the perps were someone the girls knew?
Start, end, in between, @@Missbehavin_NekaB, it doesn't much matter where the crime started. Given the number of people (asleep and awake) in the house at the time, going up onto the isolated third floor with no convenient escape would have been unwise and ultra-challenging for a complete stranger. (Though there was that weird LA body cam footage of a police officer commenting on the fact that there were no exterior stairs to the third floor -- odd.)
@@LanaMarieZana & Ethan were attacked first.
I agree with everything you said. BTW, where's your accent from? German?
hi! thanks for your comment. there might be some traces of geman there, i do use it daily for my job, but my native language is slovenian :)
Another great vid! I really enjoy your perspective and am eager to hear your thoughts about the hearing that just wrapped up today. Prosecution admits that BK was NOT stalking the victims!
Nancy Grace, Jenny Cioffindufer and Bangfield got it rubbed in their faces. Ha .
New 1 by me that the thing Adam was told was KG wanted to get back with JD even though she was moving with their dog to TX! LOL And, before that, she was gonna hike Europe!!!! Makes no sense
Finally, some common sense theory. Thank You
Good Analyses
They knew Ethan was there. They were all in there talking before it got heated again. Then the hostile confrontation got deadly quick.
I think the target was someone upstairs and 1 victim became 2 victims having slept in the same bedroom. Then, the suspect encountered Ethan or Xana upon exit, who he chased back to their room to make it 3 and then 4 victims. After that, the suspects primary objective was to leave fast, not noticing or caring to pursue Dylan
Cause surviving roomates involved
Lana, your English is very good!! 😊
Her accent though, I wonder where's she's from....
I think one or both know something bc who did they call and who went over the house? What were they doing the 8 hrs? Instead of calling 911, the students from the campus knew about the MURDERS before the cops were called. I do believe BK was involved with someone else. BK is able to be strength but remember, when he got arrested, he did mention who else got arrested? However, the frat brothers should be looked into. Maybe someone was Stalking the girls. Kaylee was the one with more injuries she fault back, and the kill looked like it was personal and passion . Let see what happens! Bk knows a lot of the criminal justice system. Let's look at his reaction after the murders. Did he do something similar before? There was a case a year earlier and the same date.
I think the Private driver who drove Kaylee & Maddie home is highly suspicious!
Xana's father said that Ethan and Xana were living together and Ethan and Xana's friend mentioned how he was so exited to move back with them (meaning at the sigma Chi) so that indicates that Ethan was unofficially living with Xana
thanks for letting me know! do you happen to have a link to the source of that info? i'd love to look into this
I’ve came to a conclusion that the kay bar knife was in possession of Maddie and that she had it with her the whole night while she was wearing the big black coat. I think she knew something was coming, but her plan backfired, and that knife was used against her when she took it out to defend herself, that’s why the sheet was left over
Do you think this from the video of the black coat by the fire hydrant and the vudeo that ahows the cop grab a weapon from ubder it and take it with him and throw down the black coat back down
Very very interesting...I could see this happening
The Frat did it!!! Showalter knows!!!
Yes I agree 💯
I have an old friend who looks REMARKABLY like this girl. I mean it blew my mind to the point that I had to watch many videos before I could get past it. Even a cheek mark, but my friend would be in her mid 40's. I believe in doppelgangers now. fully and totally. I have to get some old video and upload it. would amaze balls lol.
13:50 for some reason you've failed to mention how, in this clip Jack stated 'They're going to get you for this maddie". Which would clearly prove the goncalves are wrong as usual
thanks for the comment! that's because i cannot find the clip where these words are audible. i've heard people mentioning this, but i cannot find the video / primary source. if you have the link to it, please send it to me.
@@LanaMarieI know, nobody can produce that
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I like your theory of the stalker. Everything you say makes a lot of sense. I think there are many stones left unturned. There is something questionable about this case.
Where is your accent from?
All 4 victims are all in pictures that they took that day or day before, could a person that gets dumped see all the pictures and read how much they loved one another and how happy they all were together. Then to find out later that night his ex is surprisingly back in Moscow with a brand new rover she planned on driving to Texas with her and ex boyfriends dog, everyone having good times taking pictures and such without the person that used to be a fifth in pictures and etc.. where he used to be, Kaylee was not supposed to be back in town at 1122 king and as a result she coincidentally has fallen victim due to overkill in her wounds that would indicate a crime of passion and erasing the 4 smiling victims in good times photos points to ....? In my opinion more than one person did this and I also believe one of them had a Rambo machete weapon that can stab like a knife but also slash, carve, and tear with the saw like features on the top of blade, weapon like this would not even have to be sharp, hard to really say as this case has so many rabbit holes that could fit in narrative that it makes peoples heads spin for sure, one thing it all adds up to corruption in hiding , protecting, and even flat out lying by LE, PROSECUTION, AND JUDGE and it's appalling just how much control the university of Idaho has on Moscow idaho
IF it was a planned attack with one target, WHY not wait to get that target ALONE? This is so weird.
Dylan did not call out, until the time of Xana and Ethen were being murdered.
But what did “ they’re going to get you for that “ or something along those lines JS told Maddie on the video mean? Why would he say that?
can you link me a video of that cctv footage where those words are said by JS? I've looked at a couple of different videos of those same few seconds when the three are caught on cctv, but on none of them i could hear JS say that. i know this info is circulating around, but i frankly don't know where people heard it. if you have it, feel free to send it to me.
Debunked
You have to consider the Linda Lane footage, Maddies coat, the arrest of all of those arrested in connection with the higher level drug trafficking person from Boise. Several or many others knowledgeable/participating. The possibility that some victims were brought there.
Lana, I think that your idea of the two on the third floor being the targets, and the two on the second floor my have surprised the killer as he was leaving. The killer my naver have known that Mortenson and Funke were there at all.
I believe this was all drug related. Remember Dylan had asked Kayleeto come back that weekend. That’s just to crazy to think Kaylee was asked to come back and that’s when the killings happened. I think Maddie and Kaylee were the target. It’s all to do with the drugs Maddie had thrown away. I really think there is a large amount of kids who knows who did this but are afraid to tell. I hope one kid comes thru and tells the cops who was the killer or killers. I would not be surprised there isn’t a few cops were some what involved in this.
I always found it strange too that Dylan asked her to come back and accompany her to her sorority event. Why wouldn’t Dylan have her boyfriend take her? Then people have also said Dylan wasn’t that close to Maddie and Kaylie so why would she ask her to be her date?
Where did Ethans brother and sister stay the night? I noticed their cars parked at 1122 location..
Feel free to check out my part 1, i discussed everything about the cars and their owners there :)
DM is involved and being protected by LE IMO. Ethan was definitely one of the targets the red jeep was shared by ethan and hunter the range rover was kaylees not ethans sisters. The frats are involved and kaylee nay have been in the wrong place at the wrong time.
@@Cold_Hard_Truthprosecution can not afford for Funkes exculpatory evidence being revealed
I will not sit here and pretend to know things I dont, or know secrets no one else knows. What I will tell you is most people look at evidence according to their own personal experiences, which leads to perception. With that said I am a Armed Body Guard for the Federal Reserve. I interact with federal agents/ undercover agents on a daily, weekly basis. Working only with the evidence in the public I see something very troublesome. My theory will not name names due to the fact people are innocent until proven guilty, therefor I will not pollute the way people think. When investigators look at a crime they must know at least 3 of many things. What happened before they were murdered, what happened the night they were murdered, and what happened after they were murdered. These 3 things are very telling to solving a crime. So here is what we know. Before: 2 men move from the same state to Moscow, Idaho "area". 1 of the men, whom is a student, applies for the police department, the other would die due to homicide by SWAT after making several cryptic post. Before: 2 of the victims moms were arrested on drug charges, according to the fines it seems they were into something significant. During: 2 surviving members give illogical statements After: LE seals the house and declares it a crime scene. LE DURING investigation, before any suspects are caught allows LE, family members to remove items from the house After: Some people looked at would later move to different countries immediately after the crime. After: Someone is arrested, police would later announce they find several IDs on the person of interest/ suspect (undercover agents have what? Several IDs) After: LE tears down the crime scene, before trial is set to start Theory: The two who moved from the different state were working undercover. 1 applies for LE to move in undercover to investigate LE ie: undercover internal affairs. 1 of the men would later be killed because he knows to much. 1 of the victims LinkedIn account was deleted, 1 of the other victims was her best friend. Would not surprise me at all if LE found some type connection, even if small, between 1 of the men and the two girls who were best friends. Why? Because 2 of the men and 1 of the girls was working with, notice I didn't say FOR but WITH a certain alphabet. Here is the big AFTER. Shortly after the murder the DOJ would announce on national TV they made one of the biggest drug bust in history of the DOJ. All the way thru the artery belt of America. All 4 of the victims and victims parents had ties to these counties/ states where the DOJ would later make a drug ring arrest. Remember: this is not speculation but rather facts. If I am a investigator looking at a birds eye view of all this, and know how things operate. This is what I would speculate happened. There is way more evidence that leads me to this conclusion, I cut it short for time purposes. Thank you for allowing me a platform! Edited for spelling mistakes!
This makes more logical sense and why can’t prosecutors see this?
My mind still goes bk to a drug and money heist gone wrong W/a lot of players involved and a jealous of a rogue boyfriend ……………………🤔
I don't think a 28 year old phd student is going to let his mind indulge in a 21 year old. He might know something about that night, but I don't think he was involved in the actual crimes.
Because older guys have never become "indulged" with a younger, attractive girl. 😂 Get real. Happens every day.
@@mamarealtalk5850 you have to go case by case. You can't judge one bad apple by the whole bunch. What I have seen and learned about Kohberger this obsession theory doesn't add up. There were no connections. The man was in a PhD program and only had been in that area for a few months. The obsession theory was thrown in there to further prove their argument. He was too busy with his work and studies to be chasing after girls. History shows he had plenty of girls to be flirting with him. The guy was no lame duck. He was highly self disciplined.
@@mamarealtalk5850 in this particular case it doesn't add up.
Then why all the calls to the boy? Like for help? Maybe Xana was the target and Ethan was collateral damage. The girls upstairs heard and get murdered. Dog being in different room is weird too. Or the upstairs gal was the target and they killed more people to throw off track of it being boyfriend
There was ethan and xana target from frats and kaylee n maddie a few who did them etha n xana after 2:20 am and maddie n kaylee @3:20-3:30 4-5 clean-up
My theory is that LE were involved. Its not uncommon in these small cities for LE to look the other way in drug deals. Their pay isn't great and can be dangerous so making a bit of money on the side just by not interfering in the local drug activity. LE apparently made numerous trips to the King Rd house and it was a known drug house in the community. LE at no time seems interested in entering the house or be inquisitive about drug use or even undérage drinking just "noise. ". Most LE given the chance would ask could they enter to ascertain the situation never happened with these cios as it appeared as if they were guarding or watching the house. LE used the stopping of the three boys as a distraction from what would be going on in the house. People would avoid the ateya seeing the cops stopping individuals that didn't appear to be drinking but did so anyway. Who else could subdue six people without any of the six including the victims themselved not to call 911. Why call the cops if they were already there. The phrase, "I am here to help you" is a common cop phrase used to garner trust and to elicit a confession from a suspect. I think Kaylee heard noise from her own room went downstairs to investigate and LE told her "I am here to help" so trusting LE she went to Maddie's room woke her up and started to call Jack. She gets concerned when she hears Xana scream and goes back down stairs leaving Maddie to continue to call Jack. At that point she realized she was in danger and was chased back upstairs to Maddies room and the killer (s) pushed their way in. The girls had no place to run. A two year LE rookie with no murder investigation promoted over a ten year veteran to oversee the case mainly to plant evidence and to steer the narrative in the direction they wanted far away from their own involvement. The motive was to hush up a snitch, Xanas mother and to cover up their own involvement.
You need to realize DM lied in order to avoid speding time and energy analyzinng her lies. You also need to realize that not even the times of the deaths of the victims is established by the medical examiner, because of the 8+ hour delay before calling the cops. In otherwords, the cops base the time of the murders on DM's statements. This causes you to assume, among other things, that the victims were all killed at the same time. And, of course, by one (1) person. This, thus, causes a casual observer to reasonably conclude that the defendant, Kohberger, is an UberMensch. A inordinately powerful, strong, muscular, athletic man who is capable of killing two pairs of victims in two rooms one after the other, leave no DNA, and then get in his car without any of the victim's DNA on hiim. That's exactly what the PCA and subsequent government information says happened. And the there's the sheath, which Blaker and the cop who wrote the PCA never saw when first viewing the crime scene, etc., etc.
Who was this date she had?
@@Cold_Hard_Truthgreat advice ol Rosie had...hey kiddo, go waste money on 10 kegs, so we can come back to another loud party 🥳 🍺 🍻
I think when Maddie said she told Adam everything I think it was about drugs and that she supposedly flushed everything. And that's why they were murdered, because of the money that the perpetrators would be out. So I think it was drug-related. That's why hoodie guy said they're going to get you for that
I don't buy the G's cover story for Jack D. Her mother called her a brat in an interview for breaking up with Jack D. There were videos early on posted that showed Jack D engaging in bizarre social media behavior towards his ex, but those videos were taken down after Kohberger was arrested. Drip Drop did a good job on them.
If it was a stalker how did he get into the house? I think it was soomeone who knew the inside of the house.
Going into a house full of 6 or more-possibly others but bk tight lipped for normal reasons-dm thought too extras inside without apprehension to start
One person with that large of knife in close quarters is EXTREMELY DEADLY. They didn’t stand a chance. More perps=more chances for DNA and other evidence left. It’s him on the videos. It’s his DNA on the button on the sheath beneath her body. He could have EASILY done this in that amount of time. He was trying to be fast. This was part fantasy. He wanted to use the knife as an extension of himself. Crazy ego.
If everyone was asleep or incapacitated from drinking maybe one person can do this but I don’t think so from what I have learned from research
If the victims did together something and it bothered the criminal ? It’s a possibility.
Pass me the salt! (Touch DNA) - I think it was someone from WSU other than BK
Excellent theory. Why wasn't this stalker exposed & followed up. Stalkers are usually weirdos & get angry & dangerous when rebuffed! The stalker was not Bryan K.
i agree, especially considering what thompson said at the hearing today. but that doesn't mean someone else couldn't have stalked them. again, not even necessarily in a traditional, creepy, peeping tom kind of way. this could have been someone who knew the victims, was maybe even at one of their parties once or twice, got fixated on one of them, and there you have it.
Yes, I think it was the frat boys, who had been arguing with Ethan and Xana, Seething anger combined with Steroid use could have caused this. The school wanted a patsie not from the area, wanted to divert attention from the school.
Agreed and would explain the roommates not calling the cops for 8 hrs . And the immediate clearing them all before 24 hrs as not persons of interest
BK was part time security guard for 5 years. Was BK trained to use /access a taser stun device. Medical report may explain two weapons involved. We wait .... Theory is taser, taser, thud , .....Silenced . BK was schooled how to hide forensic evidence and aware of steps taken in the LE investigation. The likely link will be the number plates on suspect vehicle1 , 2013 plates on a 2015 model to deter LE may be part of the plan. We wait and see ...
U cldnt hide all that evidence guy, get a clue..
@@stevestevenson289 correct, which is why much evidence was discovered. Get real.
What about the guys saying “they’re going to get you for this”
IF it was one killer, even with Adrenalin he/she was probably extremely tired or even exhausted.
And the red jeep belonged to E.
I've thought he was guilty two years now idk what I think
I have heard, using guns was going to be to loud, and quickly draw attention. According to the plan.., allegedly?
Ema and her equally horrifyingly looking boyfriend has been said they were seen at 1122 prior and with Maddie being first supposedly and flushing stuff then the sigma chi angle now this seems all three had a a motive none that involve bk
Retaliation or rugs
Did you tell the Peoples here, that you are Bryan Kohberges new Girlfriend? Did you? Did you tell them, that you visit him and you both are going to get married? DID YOU???????
That don't make any scence,if that's all Maddie said to Adam then why would JS say there gonna get you for that? Hell No!!
That's fair, it's possible that there was more to it. But i do have one question - where did you hear JS say "they're gonna get you for that"? I know this info is floating around but when i was looking at the cctv footage, i can't hear him say that anywhere, on any video. If you happen to have a link to a video where he says that, I'd love to see it.
KG did not want to get back with jd. she was moving to tx, and going hiking in europe... with WHO?... and she made an ad for someone to share an apartment with her in tx when she got back... who was going to take her dog for all that time? mom? why not jack? he did not know she was leaving? i heard he was with another girl that night and done with kg.?. why did js walk them to grub truck? why did js warn the girls of danger for their loose lips? jd did not take them anywhere, nor returned calls... he was done. she wanted jd to take dog while she was on her trip? why wasn't mm going with her? where was mm going to live? work? how come kg new boyfriend told the frats that kg was a b...h? what did kg do or say to him to cause that? how could kg pay cash for her bid on the cop auctioned car? how can kg afford a trip and move .? big expenses at a college students worst money time of all time? or am i wrong? aaaaannnnddd why was bk girlfriend with dm that night at 1122... did bk drop her off or did she drive his car... does she have a car? what does her car look like? why won't anyone talk about bk's asian girlfriend? was she just a friend or a girlfriend? she is the one he bought a burger for at the drive through that the employees talked about. and his neighbor also asked why no one brings her up for conversation in this... because of her rich dad? why were her and dm wearing matching black dresses that night? did they find the person that unalived the missing girl kg found... but was offed that next week? no info about any of that either? i do not think her parents know anything about their kids. it appeared they had to finish the ball game instead of rushing to the crime scene!? or did they rush right over? mrs said they sat around waiting for a phone call from cops??? am i wrong about that?
@LanaMarie JS DID say that exact statement to Maddie after she told KG that “I told Adam everything.” Early on when that CCTV video came out there were 1-3 ppl who were ‘sound/audio engineers’ and filtered the video but more do the audio and what was exactly said. One podcaster or engineer had VERY professional & expensive equipment he/they used and it was up/online/KZhead for not very long…JS clearly says that to Maddie/KG and neither girl said anything back to him--silence. I’ve ALWAYS felt like whatever she told Adam (they knew he’d tell his roommate, JD, ASAP)…they were very worried about for some ODD reason. KG was on her cellphone at the Grub Truck the entire time like texting someone…then snapped a pic…KG was indeed “concerned” about something after Corner Club then more so after MM told her what she told Adam. Then those calls that early morning from both phones he didn’t answer. But I DID hear this audio VERY CLEARLY myself and JS DID say someone was going to get them for “that”…100% FACT 🎯…liked your show and thoughts…stay the course and keep it up!! ATL, GA in the house
@@LanaMarie Not long ago it was played on MSM besides a ton of utubers,I think News Nation,maybe,Everywhere!
I’ve since tried to locate the super filtered audio/cctv video myself but it was taken down maybe a month (max 2 months) after it was put up and clear what he said to them. Mine isn’t hearsay but I actually saw/heard it…the rougher ones before someone who knew what they were doing got ahold of it I heard those too. I think it has something to do with the case is why it has been taken down. I’ve been following intensely since it happened as well. I’d like to know Who cleared every person…When and Which ppl were cleared-again by whom…How so fast?? Also, of course WE don’t know nearly everything as far as evidence goes at all. And we won’t know till the trial. I’ll lastly (for now) say this…I don’t care, BUT NO reason could be given if I or my son/daughter was innocent of this/a crime like this and just sit around in jail for 2-4 years without raising SO MUCH “HAIL” even the president would know of me and my innocent self/son/daughter. He has ZERO ALIBI and is screwed is THE ONLY reason he’s still just “stuck” & ultimately pucked 🎯. Ppl overlook this daily…if it were them and 100% innocent…they’re just going to sit back at the prime of their life in a Latah County jail?? Heck NO--I’d be making the news daily and my attorney would KNOW AIT COULD NOT HAVE BEEN ME cause I was here-SEE!!! But no he just sits around…why?? Oh wait, waiting to be found ‘not guilty’ in maybe 2 years…then write a book and file an ungodly lawsuit for millions 🤷🏼🤷🏼that makes zero sense and most all know it. This cat is already doing his life sentence…just not on The Green Mile quite yet. Guilty as sin but YES-the state must prove it to 12 likeminded untainted (thanks AT 🙄) jurors in due time. Far as I care take forever as he’s in zero rush to be found guilty and on DRow…he has NO ALIBI…yet, other “Lana’s” love that Idaho just changed its ‘conjugal’ visits law to allow for them-she loves Proberger and wants to bring him vegan food from BK to BK, lol. They’ve NOT changed their law on it but she’s convinced he’s 100% innocent…and must’ve had a life changing event with 1 bad PoPo as she’s in a rage against them…judges too as she got wiped clean in her own court case…the lady judge shut her down like James Brown, 😂. Point being-I enjoy THIS LANA much more…you’re sensible and thought provoking! Not just raging against PoPo and Proberger. We are a Republic-innocent until proven guilty is our system…no problem here! As he just sits his “innocent” with a huge alibi arse in the Latah Cty Jail 😂 I’m lol @ BK…my ❤goes out to the families 🙏🏼. Thanks, Lana 🤙🏻
Facts are important. Opinions, not so much.
He lived there, everynight. Lol Xanas dad says she got to know what it was like to live with a boy.
His Jeep was there. Thats not Hunters Jeep.
Why cant we say the word "murdered"? Why is everyone saying "unalived"?
youtube doesn't like it so you'll find that a lot of creators are self-censoring themselves. same with the words d*ath, p*rn, r*pe, etc. it's stupid, but we have to play by the rules
One person could do it. They were drunk and not expecting anything to happen.
The jeep was shared between the siblings
Why four killed and not 6, because 4 killers had something against 4 victims not 6
I think whoever did this was angry and it was personal!! The stab wounds on Kaylee alone tells you this person felt hatred toward her!! Using a knife would be less noise than a firearm knowing other people were in the house that they wouldn't' question the noise being it's a partyhouse!! Whoever it was knew Ethan attacked him first slit his throat and sliced his thighs to disable him while he took care of Xana. After Xana I believe he (they) went up stairs to Kaylee's room.she wasn't there so he went to Maddie's room attacked her while kaylee tried to stop the attack he then turned on her!! Went back down stairs to leave didn't expect Xana to still be alive that's when he said "I'm here to help" so she wouldn't scream. He left in a hurry without further attacks he weren't expecting!! Whoever it was lived near by I don't think it was Brian Koehberger because he is obsessive compulsive he was in the area surveiling the house. It's possible he knew something was going down that night he kept driving by the house because it was quiet no party going on he kept returning to maybe see someone he knew. Whoever did it knew how to navigate the house and disappear without drawing attention. Not saying it couldn't be Brian Koehberger the fact he's vegan and his dislike of meat to me doesn't fit the crime. He obviously has seen graphic photos of crime scenes in his studies is why perhaps he's vegan!! He's an oddball but that alone does not make him the perpetrator. Just sayin
Sigma Chi fraternity involved. Kaylee was not the target! Ethan and Maddie were the target. Xana was collateral damage.
Xana was on tiktok at 4:12am, could she do that & eat DoorDash at same time??
Lol yes girls are good at multitasking
This is my theory: BK started using drugs again & DM was his dealer so that explains the 12 times by the house. Around Halloween, MM flushed all the drugs down the toilet during her falling out with DM. DM explained to BK she couldn't sell him his fix as her roommate had flushed it. Enraged, he targeted MM, but KG was also in the bed or walked down the hall, so she was collateral damage. That made so much noise that XK & EC came out to see what was going on as BK was coming downstairs so more collateral damage. DM may or may not have let him in & may or may not have recognized BK. I heard when DM & BF were shown pix of BK, they said they knew him, but he didn't go by the name Bryan (not wanting to lose his job/PhD) but that he did come by in his white car. Didn't say WHY he came by (drugs). The pca said DM didn't say she recognized the killer. That is not the same as saying she said she didn't recognize him! DM probably knew the crime was drug related & felt indirectly responsible since she was the drug dealer so that's why she never called 911 & still wants nothing to do with this case.
He wasn't 12 times by the house look into phone pings ,they cover a huge radius,your phone will attach to the nearest mast which can be up to 20 miles away if the one closest to you is congested !
Very interesting...that could possibly had happened
I believe Bryan K. is absolutely innocent!
@@ricolauren2560 and so do i
Omg. You are spot on, I believe, about Dylan calling out and maybe Bryan came down assuming it was coming from Xana and Ethan's room. Omg. Poor Dylan. I dont think she had a clue of the severity of the situation until it was too late.
I'm sorry, but let me understand. So, you're saying, that DM is completely not involved with this? DM was on the 2nd Floor, where Ethan & Xana was. Then, just above was Maddie & Kaylee's rooms on the 3Rd floor. IF it went the way the Police said. There's NO way DM didn't hear what was happening. Xana's cries. Lots of fighting going on.
They all were probably still drunk, too.
So DM says maybe she was part of it
Im sure Jack knew she was home?hummm
BK is as innocent as OJ was.
Family only thinking what they want to think,. Kolburger not guilty