A Cessna 170/180 comparison. #pilot #cessna170 #cessna180 #stol @skywagonuniversity5023
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WOAH! The music, the drone works, the VFR day, when that 170B takes flight!!!
@Dougartus7 ай бұрын
Thanks! I listen to hours of music to find the "right" fit, so I appreciate when someone notices! - Don the Camera Guy.
@skywagonuniversity50237 ай бұрын
@@skywagonuniversity5023 So where can we find this music? Very striking, fit so well. You guys do a great job!
@stubryant91457 ай бұрын
I use several sources. Audiio.com and MotionArray.com are where I found these two songs. Select a duration of 2:30 and genre of Country. I'd tell you the names, but once I've used them, I forget them. - Don the Camera Guy
@skywagonuniversity50237 ай бұрын
@@skywagonuniversity5023 Appreciate the sources very much! Thank you!
@stubryant91456 ай бұрын
@@stubryant9145 For the 180, have a listen to Wild West Hero by Alex Craft. Don, you always have great tracks; thanks!
@ZaephyrsАй бұрын
I like the longer format especially when it's this good
@pi.actual7 ай бұрын
Thanks.
@skywagonuniversity50237 ай бұрын
Loved the belly shots during takeoff and landings! It's a great angle with the conventional gear. I especially like how you got just a bit of wing in with the fuselage and tail on the 170's roll. The footage was so good I didn't notice the lack of cabin footage until I read the comments.
@ZaephyrsАй бұрын
Thank you. The external cameras are great these days.
@skywagonuniversity5023Ай бұрын
Your the type of guy we can all learn something useful while listening to you. Most people only say something useful after a long while but you really offer up good informative stuff one after another. Thanks, I really enjoyed it!
@sonnyburnett87256 ай бұрын
I appreciate that!
@skywagonuniversity50236 ай бұрын
As an aviation crazed lad, I read “Week-end Pilot”, Frank K. Smith’s 1957 book on learning to fly. He bought a used Cessna 140 to learn in, and when he got his license he decided he needed a 4-seater. He thought he was going to buy a 170, but the salesman showed him a brand new 172. The paint job on the 180 in your video reminds me of Smith’s 140.
@ditto19587 ай бұрын
It's a good paint job on that 170.
@skywagonuniversity50237 ай бұрын
That 180 sure is beautiful. Nice keeping the tailwheel in the air as all instructions state. So many seem to try / love the 3 point.
@tonybilodeau63647 ай бұрын
Thanks 👍
@skywagonuniversity50237 ай бұрын
Wheel landings, no less. Clean tracking and energy, pitch, and altitude control. Great music. Skipper, it's plain to see that you know your way around a tailwheel plane. Nice job.
@jbj274067 ай бұрын
Much appreciated!
@skywagonuniversity50236 ай бұрын
That 170's paint job is awesome!!!
@FlyingNDriving7 ай бұрын
Nice comparison and lovely wheelies… Classic Cessna taildraggers are grace in motion.
@sonoftherepublic97927 ай бұрын
Thank you.
@skywagonuniversity50237 ай бұрын
The Zorro paint stripe on the 170 actually looks kinda cool...
@davidduganne59397 ай бұрын
Great video! Love the 170's/180's!
@ph59157 ай бұрын
Great video Mark. It was fascinating learning about these lovely old aircraft. Nice wheel landings too.
@Coops7776 ай бұрын
Glad you enjoyed it
@skywagonuniversity50236 ай бұрын
Love the technical details, and now with a "Senior Moment"
@cabdouch7 ай бұрын
I have all those all the time, we normally edit them out ha ha ha.
@skywagonuniversity50236 ай бұрын
FIRST! ...lol
@blancolirio7 ай бұрын
Ladies and Gentlemen, the Great Juan Brown!
@skywagonuniversity50237 ай бұрын
2nd! (3rd?)
@sheldonholy50477 ай бұрын
4th?! Now I feel like an important pilot.
@AnthonyMartinez7 ай бұрын
🎉😂
@orso29547 ай бұрын
Thanks Juan. You are our "viewer"
@skywagonuniversity50237 ай бұрын
Great review. I own and fly a 1955 C-180. Love that airplane. Does everything I need. I'll never buy another.
@healerf186 ай бұрын
It’s not lost in the ‘50s. Classics never get old.
@mikewaterfield35997 ай бұрын
Lost in the 50's tonight. Classic song.
@skywagonuniversity50237 ай бұрын
Another excellent video, Mark. Unfortunately, I feel short changed because you didn’t give any in-flight information.
@mikemc3306 ай бұрын
Wellll ... it really wasn't Mark's fault. We had two GoPro cameras in the cockpits, and they failed us. Again. We are working on a solution. - Don the Camera Guy.
@skywagonuniversity50236 ай бұрын
Yours must be the funnest job in the world!
@lylekliewer47877 ай бұрын
Thanks for this one! I’ve had at least one of these on my wishlist since I got my tailwheel endorsement, and this helps clear up some of the differences and options I’ve wondered about.
@AnthonyMartinez7 ай бұрын
It's really a difference in power and speed and engine size.
@skywagonuniversity50237 ай бұрын
I love leaving the bloopers in there 😀.
@golfbravowhiskey86696 ай бұрын
OK, less editing. I agree.
@skywagonuniversity50236 ай бұрын
Another fascinating video Mark👍✌️💜😊 Two lovely aeroplanes, cant recall when I last saw a 170 in blighty (if at all), I do like the C170's, my dad was a taildragger man, so its rubbed off, although Ive only flown landomatic types😀😀😀🙄 Will we get to see the interior and flights from inside too🤔🤞🤞🤞✌️👍💜😊
@musoseven82187 ай бұрын
We had some interior shots while flying but has all the cameras fail very very annoyingly.
@skywagonuniversity50236 ай бұрын
@@skywagonuniversity5023 Thanks Mark, no worries, still a great video👍😊✌️
@musoseven82186 ай бұрын
The door stewards for about$500 are worth every penny. The Canadian version as you called it doesn't protect the door from hitting the strut.
@jessesplan77596 ай бұрын
True. They are just a temporary thing.
@skywagonuniversity50236 ай бұрын
Love your videos. My wife said you are just like me, and airplane nerd. I take it as a compliment. We just sold our Mooney to build a kit plane but I have been watching a lot of tail dragger videos. I’ve been loving the idea of a Cessna 195 lately
@gmonnig7 ай бұрын
That is awesome!
@skywagonuniversity50237 ай бұрын
love your vids, so interesting and informative.
@brendanbarker20957 ай бұрын
Glad you like them!
@skywagonuniversity50237 ай бұрын
Another awesome video, Mark
@MichaelVanHeemst7 ай бұрын
Good video & loads of information. FYI: Cont. O-200 = 100 hp 🤠
@chriscard3424v6 ай бұрын
The 0-200 is 96 HP. That is why the 0-300 is only 145 or it would be 150 HP.
@skywagonuniversity50236 ай бұрын
excellent video, a shot of the cockpit of both aircraft on landing would have been tops. i was thinking of switching to a 180 from my 170a but as both are the same size internally ,i will keep my 170a
@davidnelson47077 ай бұрын
We have been plagued with GoPro failures, lately. We're working on a fix. - Don the Camera Guy.
@skywagonuniversity50237 ай бұрын
Superb video. Very instructive. Thank you for your work. Greetings from France. 🙂
@orso29547 ай бұрын
Merci, mon frère!
@skywagonuniversity50237 ай бұрын
Great video, Mark! Thank you! On a minor note, that’s a cool tail number: 126KT as in knots? 😊
@Alanc4192 ай бұрын
It's a good number but it was for K2 Aviation in Alaska. They had a sequence of KT numbers.
@skywagonuniversity50232 ай бұрын
Mark, don't forget the 10-deg turn to the left for noise abatement!
@jimpinkowski33946 ай бұрын
Youv'e been here.
@skywagonuniversity50236 ай бұрын
👍
@FlightSimDude6 ай бұрын
Do you smoke Cessna cigarettes…?? 😂😂 Once again Mark top notch video 👌
@woodwelder7 ай бұрын
Always
@skywagonuniversity50237 ай бұрын
@@skywagonuniversity5023 Have you done anything with your MG ? I recon put a Mazda MX -5 running gear in it ! Experimental ! Weekend job for a chap with your skills …. Gun stocks to barrel chairs … 🤔to good a rocket to be gathering dust 😬
@woodwelder7 ай бұрын
4:00 thanks for leaving that in :) 38 inches is amazingly narrow!
@flysport_tedder7 ай бұрын
You're welcome! I thought it was amusing (4:00). And, I know people whose waist is 38 inches. Put that way, not so narrow! - Don the Camera Guy.
@skywagonuniversity50237 ай бұрын
Love these videos! And tailwheel Cessna's - hard to beat. I did most of my tailwheel training in a 170. Then had to switch to an early 150TD conversion. Loved both, but the 150 forced me to "master" landing & taking off more quickly since this particular plane's feedback was quite a bit more lively. I could see myself with a O360 170 though. Much appeal there. Mark, (or anyone), what music was playing during the aerial scenes?
@stubryant91457 ай бұрын
The 170 is designed as a Taildragger. The later 150's are fun at Taildraggers but are a bit more of a handful.
@skywagonuniversity50237 ай бұрын
Fuel flows can be funny things. 170 and 185 flying to AK together. Both 9 GPH at same 170 cruise speed. A friend’s 185, IO-520 (300 HP) with GAMI’s on a recent trip from ANC to CXP. 11-12 GPH 10-11,500’. A friend’s 180 with IO-550N (310 HP) on a ferry to Florida. 11 GPH at 11,500’. My 185, IO-520 (350 HP LyCon) with GAMI’s and electronic ignition. 9.5-10 GPH at 11,500’. If equipped and operated properly and monitored with an EDM, fuel flows on big engines don’t have to be expensive. Controversial, perhaps, but entirely doable.😊😊😊 Edit: My iPad somehow snuck those emojis in, but the effect is proper, so…
@mannypuerta50867 ай бұрын
This is true. They do not always have to be run hard.
@skywagonuniversity50237 ай бұрын
On the 180, what is that circular "hatch" on the belly behind the cabin? Did it used to have a camera back there?
@ronboe63257 ай бұрын
I was going to ask Mark the same question. My 1954 180 doesn’t have it
@rmiller6407 ай бұрын
Might have been for aerial survey photography work. I did some in mid 80’s in 180/182’s
@alanbrassard59277 ай бұрын
Yes, that 180 has three camera holes in it's belly. They re covered when not in use with huge inspection panels. The cables go around them.
@skywagonuniversity50237 ай бұрын
Thank you once again for a great video! What is underneath the 180? Seems like a large circular patch and two hinges or something hanging from the side.
@georgemixelogj97496 ай бұрын
That 180 has three camera holes in it's belly. Remove those covers and you have a hole of your choice to take photos through.
@skywagonuniversity50236 ай бұрын
...aaand since you didn't show us the cockpits, we can only guess how it was back then in fifties. G1000 from factory, right? Besides, that seemingly rotating gimbalish round feature on the belly of 180, is that for aerial photography?
@alexeygusev6987 ай бұрын
We would have showed you inside but had multiple camera failures. Yes, the panel on the belly of the 180 is a camera hole.
@skywagonuniversity50237 ай бұрын
What is the black rectangular object or component of the leading edge of the left stab on the 180?
@theresacaron42387 ай бұрын
It's a Go Pro.
@skywagonuniversity50237 ай бұрын
Who does the music?
@keystoneken50323 ай бұрын
I have a subscription to Soundstripe. I find royalty free music there. I hope you liked it, 'cause I spend hours listening to garbage to find a gem. - Don the Camera Guy.
WOAH! The music, the drone works, the VFR day, when that 170B takes flight!!!
Thanks! I listen to hours of music to find the "right" fit, so I appreciate when someone notices! - Don the Camera Guy.
@@skywagonuniversity5023 So where can we find this music? Very striking, fit so well. You guys do a great job!
I use several sources. Audiio.com and MotionArray.com are where I found these two songs. Select a duration of 2:30 and genre of Country. I'd tell you the names, but once I've used them, I forget them. - Don the Camera Guy
@@skywagonuniversity5023 Appreciate the sources very much! Thank you!
@@stubryant9145 For the 180, have a listen to Wild West Hero by Alex Craft. Don, you always have great tracks; thanks!
I like the longer format especially when it's this good
Thanks.
Loved the belly shots during takeoff and landings! It's a great angle with the conventional gear. I especially like how you got just a bit of wing in with the fuselage and tail on the 170's roll. The footage was so good I didn't notice the lack of cabin footage until I read the comments.
Thank you. The external cameras are great these days.
Your the type of guy we can all learn something useful while listening to you. Most people only say something useful after a long while but you really offer up good informative stuff one after another. Thanks, I really enjoyed it!
I appreciate that!
As an aviation crazed lad, I read “Week-end Pilot”, Frank K. Smith’s 1957 book on learning to fly. He bought a used Cessna 140 to learn in, and when he got his license he decided he needed a 4-seater. He thought he was going to buy a 170, but the salesman showed him a brand new 172. The paint job on the 180 in your video reminds me of Smith’s 140.
It's a good paint job on that 170.
That 180 sure is beautiful. Nice keeping the tailwheel in the air as all instructions state. So many seem to try / love the 3 point.
Thanks 👍
Wheel landings, no less. Clean tracking and energy, pitch, and altitude control. Great music. Skipper, it's plain to see that you know your way around a tailwheel plane. Nice job.
Much appreciated!
That 170's paint job is awesome!!!
Nice comparison and lovely wheelies… Classic Cessna taildraggers are grace in motion.
Thank you.
The Zorro paint stripe on the 170 actually looks kinda cool...
Great video! Love the 170's/180's!
Great video Mark. It was fascinating learning about these lovely old aircraft. Nice wheel landings too.
Glad you enjoyed it
Love the technical details, and now with a "Senior Moment"
I have all those all the time, we normally edit them out ha ha ha.
FIRST! ...lol
Ladies and Gentlemen, the Great Juan Brown!
2nd! (3rd?)
4th?! Now I feel like an important pilot.
🎉😂
Thanks Juan. You are our "viewer"
Great review. I own and fly a 1955 C-180. Love that airplane. Does everything I need. I'll never buy another.
It’s not lost in the ‘50s. Classics never get old.
Lost in the 50's tonight. Classic song.
Another excellent video, Mark. Unfortunately, I feel short changed because you didn’t give any in-flight information.
Wellll ... it really wasn't Mark's fault. We had two GoPro cameras in the cockpits, and they failed us. Again. We are working on a solution. - Don the Camera Guy.
Yours must be the funnest job in the world!
Thanks for this one! I’ve had at least one of these on my wishlist since I got my tailwheel endorsement, and this helps clear up some of the differences and options I’ve wondered about.
It's really a difference in power and speed and engine size.
I love leaving the bloopers in there 😀.
OK, less editing. I agree.
Another fascinating video Mark👍✌️💜😊 Two lovely aeroplanes, cant recall when I last saw a 170 in blighty (if at all), I do like the C170's, my dad was a taildragger man, so its rubbed off, although Ive only flown landomatic types😀😀😀🙄 Will we get to see the interior and flights from inside too🤔🤞🤞🤞✌️👍💜😊
We had some interior shots while flying but has all the cameras fail very very annoyingly.
@@skywagonuniversity5023 Thanks Mark, no worries, still a great video👍😊✌️
The door stewards for about$500 are worth every penny. The Canadian version as you called it doesn't protect the door from hitting the strut.
True. They are just a temporary thing.
Love your videos. My wife said you are just like me, and airplane nerd. I take it as a compliment. We just sold our Mooney to build a kit plane but I have been watching a lot of tail dragger videos. I’ve been loving the idea of a Cessna 195 lately
That is awesome!
love your vids, so interesting and informative.
Glad you like them!
Another awesome video, Mark
Good video & loads of information. FYI: Cont. O-200 = 100 hp 🤠
The 0-200 is 96 HP. That is why the 0-300 is only 145 or it would be 150 HP.
excellent video, a shot of the cockpit of both aircraft on landing would have been tops. i was thinking of switching to a 180 from my 170a but as both are the same size internally ,i will keep my 170a
We have been plagued with GoPro failures, lately. We're working on a fix. - Don the Camera Guy.
Superb video. Very instructive. Thank you for your work. Greetings from France. 🙂
Merci, mon frère!
Great video, Mark! Thank you! On a minor note, that’s a cool tail number: 126KT as in knots? 😊
It's a good number but it was for K2 Aviation in Alaska. They had a sequence of KT numbers.
Mark, don't forget the 10-deg turn to the left for noise abatement!
Youv'e been here.
👍
Do you smoke Cessna cigarettes…?? 😂😂 Once again Mark top notch video 👌
Always
@@skywagonuniversity5023 Have you done anything with your MG ? I recon put a Mazda MX -5 running gear in it ! Experimental ! Weekend job for a chap with your skills …. Gun stocks to barrel chairs … 🤔to good a rocket to be gathering dust 😬
4:00 thanks for leaving that in :) 38 inches is amazingly narrow!
You're welcome! I thought it was amusing (4:00). And, I know people whose waist is 38 inches. Put that way, not so narrow! - Don the Camera Guy.
Love these videos! And tailwheel Cessna's - hard to beat. I did most of my tailwheel training in a 170. Then had to switch to an early 150TD conversion. Loved both, but the 150 forced me to "master" landing & taking off more quickly since this particular plane's feedback was quite a bit more lively. I could see myself with a O360 170 though. Much appeal there. Mark, (or anyone), what music was playing during the aerial scenes?
The 170 is designed as a Taildragger. The later 150's are fun at Taildraggers but are a bit more of a handful.
Fuel flows can be funny things. 170 and 185 flying to AK together. Both 9 GPH at same 170 cruise speed. A friend’s 185, IO-520 (300 HP) with GAMI’s on a recent trip from ANC to CXP. 11-12 GPH 10-11,500’. A friend’s 180 with IO-550N (310 HP) on a ferry to Florida. 11 GPH at 11,500’. My 185, IO-520 (350 HP LyCon) with GAMI’s and electronic ignition. 9.5-10 GPH at 11,500’. If equipped and operated properly and monitored with an EDM, fuel flows on big engines don’t have to be expensive. Controversial, perhaps, but entirely doable.😊😊😊 Edit: My iPad somehow snuck those emojis in, but the effect is proper, so…
This is true. They do not always have to be run hard.
On the 180, what is that circular "hatch" on the belly behind the cabin? Did it used to have a camera back there?
I was going to ask Mark the same question. My 1954 180 doesn’t have it
Might have been for aerial survey photography work. I did some in mid 80’s in 180/182’s
Yes, that 180 has three camera holes in it's belly. They re covered when not in use with huge inspection panels. The cables go around them.
Thank you once again for a great video! What is underneath the 180? Seems like a large circular patch and two hinges or something hanging from the side.
That 180 has three camera holes in it's belly. Remove those covers and you have a hole of your choice to take photos through.
...aaand since you didn't show us the cockpits, we can only guess how it was back then in fifties. G1000 from factory, right? Besides, that seemingly rotating gimbalish round feature on the belly of 180, is that for aerial photography?
We would have showed you inside but had multiple camera failures. Yes, the panel on the belly of the 180 is a camera hole.
What is the black rectangular object or component of the leading edge of the left stab on the 180?
It's a Go Pro.
Who does the music?
I have a subscription to Soundstripe. I find royalty free music there. I hope you liked it, 'cause I spend hours listening to garbage to find a gem. - Don the Camera Guy.