Why DUMPING KANG for Dr. Doom Is a HUGE MISTAKE for the MCU
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The rumor mill is saying that Marvel Studios is planning to dump Kang the Conqueror and replace with a new Big Bad--Doctor Doom. And while we LOVE Dr. Doom here at the cn=hannel, we would rather see the Marvel Cinematic Universe play out the Multiverse Saga with its current, awesome big bad--Kang the Conqueror. In this video we routine how we hope the MCU introduces Doom, and resolves the Kang Saga once and for all.
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What do you know about the exclusive clause supposedly in Johnathan Majors contract?
@ScreenCrush I'm making a fan made version of Avengers the Kang dynasty
Awesome 💯 🏆
its easy for u to easy thats is the best time to just recast kang but the problem is there`s a clause in his contract that says that he is the only actor allowed to play any and all variants of Kang The Conqueror.
@@youssefmesrati340 Marvel Spotlight VICTOR Origin Of DOOM
Channels like this are actually more invested in Marvels success than Marvel themselves. We give them too much praise
Marvel flops and Disney is still worth billions but if marvel flops channels like these have to struggle for content. So yeah, they are majorly more invested than Disney is overall.
Especially New Rockstars
@@wearle87true, but marvel ain’t going anywhere, at the very least we might see all mcu content release strictly on Disney + in thr future if theaters continue to struggle.
@@wearle87they have no trouble making content about the flops. Which reenforces the point the comment you tried to undercut is making. The nerds who make these videos care more about the marvel stories more than most of the people involved in making those stories into movies and t.v. shows. Does screen crush make more money when they are talking about projects people enjoy? Probably, but that doesn't change the fact these nerds starting making these videos because they have a lot of passion and knowledge of marvel comics. They are operating a successful channel because of their knowledge and passion. I would be willing to bet if these needs weren't running this channel, they would still want marvel to put out quality content, because they want to see good stories.
This part
Kang falling into the engine could have been how he developed timeslipping and in Kang Dynasty we see him timeslip around the multiverse affecting things.
Maybe but no one has told me how Loki timeslips in the first place. No one knows.
@@Eireternal the theory provided by this channel was that because he was sent through the time door by Sylvie using He Who Remain's technology, that that caused the timeslipping. But it wasn't confirmed in the show itself so still just a theory
@@kittyunderwood8918and that's just a theory... A FILM THEORY!!
None of the slipping made sense. Remember he was time slipping and could see himself in the past or future? Then next thing he is time slipping to the past into his same body so there isn’t two of him in one place. No one paid attention to that. They should have gave some explanation to that. I understand that if he went back in time to try to fix things over and over for centuries you can’t have 100, 000 lokis on screen, but explain it, sheesh
@@WawaMarvelbut they do explain it. When he did not have control over it, he slipped around randomly. When he gains control, thats exactly what he does: controlled slipping. He literally slips into his younger self.
Doom should’ve been introduced in Civil War, as Ross was addressing the Avengers about the Accords…he mentions that Sokovia has actually divided into two countries after AOU…the western part is still called Sokovia and is aligned with the US, hence the Accords but the eastern part is now Latveria and is ruled by one man…a call back to how eastern and western Germany divided after WW2…and from there we can see in the background Doom’s influence in gaining technology and weapons during Black Panther (vibranium) Ant Man and the Wasp (Pym particles) Black Widow (Taskmaster program) Captain America and the Winter Soldier (SS serum) then he could’ve had his own official intro, like Werewolf by Night…and feature a glimpse of the FF4 in it…now Doom is established and you can still have Kang as he has been in the MCU so far.
The MCU didn't have the rights to use Doom or the Fantastic 4 that early. They didn't get the rights till after End Game. Though that would have been cool.
This would help make sense of the hydra men from antman who left with the wannabe pym particles. Them working with Doom the whole time would have been a killer twist
That Loki ending definitely reignited my hope for MCU movies.
I think replacing Kang with doom based off of the failure of Quantumania is extremely idiotic. The main thing everyone praised was Kang & Jonathan Majors performance, and in Loki one of the best performances was from Kang. Kang isn’t the problem, it’s the direction that they’re taking him that is making him look less of a presence than what he actually is. If they could refocus and actually properly plan this out Kang could easily be seen as a major threat
Pretty sure it has to do with Major's case, which is set to end soon so its all just speculation.
@@IAmMightyMikeno that just gave people more fuel to want to get rid of kang. Antman 3 is when this really started
Kang has been a mess, he's not a threat and he's not a very compelling character to begin with. They should have always been building towards Doom because Secret Wars has always been about Doom, not Kang.
@@BaithNathat makes no sense. replace a 0-1 guy that you don't find interesting for a 0-3 guy that get screwed every time because we want him rushed in to “save the day” Everyone needs to stop being impatient and take their time and do something right for once .
Kang has been defeated. Twice now. We don't need a loser back -- it would simply destroy any reason for Loki Season 2 -- one of the best parts of phase 4 -- from even existing. Let's not retcon yet another freaking show's world building and character development.
In every film I’ve seen Doom was a joke. Just finish Kang and then bring Doom.
After the job they did in Loki’s season 2 with HWR they would be a fool to replace Kang . We just got a glimpse at his potential and it’s scary. You have to follow that through
Nah
I strongly disagree but maybe I missed something. What was scary or special about Kang in season 2 of Loki?? I was bored out of my mind watching that season.
I think he's talking about majors, specifically. Watch love craft country, you'll realized why majors' acting ability is so special. But yeah, apart from majors and hiddleston... this season wasn't reeeally all that, was good but alil over hyped.
It’s crazy how in Loki HWR is so amazing in both seasons. Then you see Ant Man… and you’re like wth am I watching. I think Fiege needs to go. Time for new blood
Unless.... they know something about Majors we don't. They cannot bank BILLIONS off someone that might be canceled. Everything I've read about it indicates he's innocent and it's a false accusation. Marvel obviously has more info than us. But at same time, there would have to be some irrefutable evidence bc Majors's accuser and any prosecutors are essentially going up against one of the most powerful corporations on Earth. Which actually convinces me a different direction. Even if he were guilty, and. Marvel knew that, they can probably make it go away for an 8-figure amount. Give her $30 million and she'll change her story. But it cannot get out that Marvel paid her off. So it's a huge risk they may just want to avoid
I hope they do that thing with Kang when he just pops up in a story, tries to approximate where in time he just landed, then leaves without much contribution to the story at hand
Kang and Doom should team up like they did in Infinity War mini series!
According to the Weekly Planet Podcast Johnathan Majors had a clause in his contract where only he could play Kang variants. He did this realizing the potential of the Multiverse, once all his legal stuff gets resolved either he will void a morals clause or he goes back or something else.
Grab that gem! Next week is Snake Eyes.
I think it sucks they are trying to cancel him over legal issues that haven’t even played out. I understand production must go on, but there have been so many actors that have continued to play staring roles while their legal teams resolved issues.
@@IsisRenee1 try using your brain and not trite cliches. They aren’t canceling him. He might get “cancelled” but marvel is protecting its IP not cancelling him
Nothing is confirmed. We don’t know that they’ll get rid of him yet. We have to wait and see.
Innocent until proven guilty & they’re treating him like he’s guilty already 👎🏼👎🏼👎🏼
You have some great ideas here. I also agree that ditching kang is the wrong way to go. Your arguments for keeping him are much more compelling than mine and i hope they do keep him and let doom be another big bad on his own.
I like Ryan's ideas for rehabilitating Kang. I agree that the "He who remains" Kang was the best. But I think his best point was that regardless of what's decided, there needs to be good writers. Maybe they could hire him as a consultant :-)
I totally agree. Some of these channels have great ideas that would be beneficial to both MCU and DCEU. And they probably wouldn't have to pay them nearly as much, just let the channel(s) have some exclusive content and bragging rights.
You think HWR is the best because of season 2. Was he the best when you thought he died in season 1. The Kang from Antman will return and you will see what his plans are. Then he will be the best. You only have seen 2 Kangs for goodness sake!! 2. Victor Timely doesn't count. Even though he was menacing when he dropped Ramona off the boat.
@@nothing-oj1sz What I liked most about He Who Remains is that in many ways, he could be seen as trying to do the right thing. Kang from Antman just seemed bad. Victor Timely never rose to the level of villain in my view. Anyway, I acknowledge it's possible they can find a better Kang, but of the 2 Kangs so far, he seemed by far the best to me.
HWR is pretty solid. Victor Timely performance was horrendous. I miss Thanos.
Unless Doom kills Kang, I can't think of another way a character as big as Kang just... disappears. I hope they do it right.
@@BeeruzChryslerI don't want him to but if he's going to go away "for good" then it should be a better "send off" yk
That would be kind of cool, ngl
Just show that Doom is researching the multiverse/timelines in every post credit scene until Secret Wars and that he's planning on taking the throne from Loki. Secret Wars 1 could be about Doom stomping all the multiversal heroes on his way to Loki. He would then dethrone Loki and destroy the timeline where the council of Kangs are hiding. Since all the Kangs are Johnathan Majors, they could say that Kang is a nexus being and the death of all of them causes massive amounts of incursions. Doom would use the loom throne to create battle world while Reed or Loki creates a lifeboat to save some of the multiversal heroes, setting up Secret Wars 2 and a phase of battle world movies. Secret Wars 2 would be about Reed/Loki and his team of heroes overthrowing Doom. Reed/Loki can create a singular timeline where the MCU can reboot with all of their characters and some of them could be returning actors while others could be new actors.
yea they need to do Doom right finally! I'm willing to wait
Time travel
I truly hope they don’t replace majors. He’s awesome and a great actor. I don’t want a new kang, your not wrong with your theories, but damn i hope that everything clears up cause hes great as kang.
100% agree
Same. I'll take a recast over getting rid of Kang all together, but I would hate to see Majors go. He just did such a great job as the character.
@MrBergste i agree with you 100 percent
Majors is arrested so Kang’s out of the picture.
@@ShockwaveFPSStudios According to recent reports, it's rumored that a recast isn't entirely out of the question, so I wouldn't say for sure that Kang is out of the picture just yet
The Multiverse is a franchise killer and Kang is integrated tightly with the Multiverse. Frankly, my favorite stories are when the stakes are a person, neighborhood or city (see Batman, Spider-Man, …). Comic books are a lot about the graphic images and benefit from wild images, but wild images in movies just break the immersion. When they are in the quantum realm I just find myself zoning out and losing the outlandish aspects of the plot. I look at the background for interesting images while losing the plot and stakes.
If the rumors about Majors's contract is true, recasting Kang would infringe on the agreement. His contract is said to include an exclusivity clause, meaning that any and all versions of Kang and his variants can only be portrayed by Johnathan Majors. A smart move by him, if it is true. It also makes the hasty switch to Dr. Doom understandable. I agree though that Marvel needs to commit to Kang to make this saga work. I think the key is He Who Remains and that the key power that can make him even more threatening is something we've already been introduced to in Loki Season 2: Time slipping. HWR knows about Time-Slipping and likely has mastered the ability. HWR likely has orchestrated Loki's ascension to the God of Stories so that Loki will hold things together for him while the Multiversal War reignites and he can go on to defeat his own variants without worrying to hold the multiverse together. Also, having Loki perched at the end of time holding the strands of time actively removes him from interfering in the multiversal war. This is because he can't just prune or let go of one branch to save countless others. He needs to hold them all or risk having countless others escape his grasp. Loki's new glorious purpose is to allow the multiverse to exist, not prune or interfere. That's the new role the TVA has in this continuation.
remember in Loki Seas 1 when HWR said “I knew everything up until this point”? the question is did Loki make the audible to blow up the loom before or after that moment? (This is in response to your pitch of HWR planning Loki blowing up the loom)
Recasting Kang is dumbest thing ever. He's not even guilty. Is Marvel scared of cancel culture? lol
@@rezaimran98 soooooo did u see the news huh
I really hope they don’t waste doom right now. They need him to be around for a whole saga at least
This unlike most bad guys in the MCU I want them to fight doom in more than one film. And not a two part film like they did Thanos I count that as one movie.
Doom should have came before Thanos or Kang. In Secret Wars he fights Thanos who is already killed off in the MCU so none of this seems like its going to work out right but I guess the can just pull the multiverse card or reincarnation card like they keep doing over and over.
Dr. Doom needs his own series like LOki so we can get up to speed when he appears in a movie, we don't have to go over who/what/why
Removing kang because of quantumia would be like removing Gorr because of Love and Thunder. Kang wasn’t the problem in that movie
Agreed
They are not replacing Kang. They are replacing Jonathan Majors. Should just recast instead
Facts
@razi1992 they're not recasting and just as much as yall don't want iron man recasted, kang shouldn't be either.
Gorr was never being built up as the next Thanos tho.
I feel like giving the “original” Kang the power of the Beyonder in Kang Dynasty and having his appearance be a massive event only for that power to be stolen by Doom in Secret Wars Part 1 is a way to get the best of both worlds.
Kang is a master of time, there's no way doom will be able to steal his tech
I originally predicted that Doom would be introduced as a Kang variant during Loki, even thinking that Victor Timely would become Victor Von Doom. This can still be done to an extent, and would probably be the best way to introduce him at this point.
I think he was also referred to as a doctor at some point. Considering that "Timely" is clearly a stage name, his actual last name isn't revealed. I assumed given all of this, that they were setting Victor Timely up to become Dr. Doom.
In the Secret Wars (comic) Doom specifically mentions Kang is a future version(variant) of himself. I could see them using that to transition from Kang to Doom.
It would be funny if they put that thing down flipped it and reversed it. I'd love to see an evil louder, more arrogant Doom just zapping a Kang variant and laughing as they dust away mocking Vader's "Luke i am your father"
@@nailinthefashionno it wouldn't that sounds cringe af
@@michaelallen555 "Kang... I AM YOUR FATHER.... OF YOUR FATHER'S FATHER'S FATHER BUT LIKE IN THE FUTURE OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.....!!!" Let the cringe rain from above. He should be extremely delusional but factually correct
@@nailinthefashionthat sounds horrible. But just the story of thing Disney Marvel is doing.
@@RevengeOfThaNerd that's awesome! I love that you hate it, since not everything is for everyone. I'm sure I wouldn't laugh at all your jokes either, so thanks for sharing your perspective! I hope you don't hate my films when I inevitably direct for them 😭👋🏾
Keep Kang, make everything better. He's not the problem.
the editing of this episode is really amazing! great work, ScreenCrush team!
yup they should definitely keep Kang… I am still a bit taken aback that it’s even a possibility that they could change the main villain at this point after all this build up with Kang
To be fair to Kang - those weren't just 'ants' - they had highly evolved technology, each bigger in size compared to Kang and they vastly outnumbered him.
Oh yeah dude, there’s a huge difference between ants and ants trying to murder you. I kinda felt like he needed to be WAY more beat up/cut all things considered
Kang was able to shoot Lazer beems from his hands , he had telekinesis (moving things with his mind) ,how do ants defeat that guy, even if those ants were worthy of lifting Mjolnir. They are still ants.
@@tshepomodau1345Sure he can lift ants but can he lift a thousand ants at once? Just the sheer number of them would overwhelm any hero or villain. Ants don’t mess around when it comes to breeding an army.
@@tshepomodau1345 Yes, animal wise - they are ants and Kang is a human. By this logic Kang shouldn't be able to beat x1 Thor or Loki because Thor and Loki are gods and well - Kang is just human. But no-one says that, right? Kang isn't just 'human' like you and me. My point is that those aren't the same kinds of 'ants' you'll find in your garden. I agree - Kang had super advance tech, but so did each ant - and there were millions of them!! Each with super advanced tech. Maybe he could beat one, but he was totally outnumbered.
Socialist ants..😂
I wonder how long we can stretch this topic over the course of the next 2 years 🤔
😂😂
Probably as long as Majors' court dates keep getting pushed back 🙃
I mean I didn't mind Kang losing in Quantumania, I wasn't aware of Kang at first and I found it weird that he died, but when I did some research on Kang and read the necessary sources, I understood why Kang lost. Kang is a character who cannot be beaten by death as easily as any other human. He always has a way to come back stronger, more threatening, and smarter to beat his enemies. He is a master manipulator of time and he knows how to shape it to his own will. How do you kill someone who controls his life as well as Kang? I mean, we literally witnessed it in Loki Season 2 when HWR explained that he won't just let himself get killed that easily without a plan. Getting rid of Kang entirely ruins his character as a threat because he is supposed to get beaten to come back stronger until he becomes almost unstoppable. Kang NEEDS to stay!!!
THANK YOU! I've been thinking about Quantum Entanglement being the decisive factor between Kang's variants since Loki s1, and given the context Quantumania provided... Well, it might just as well be the key piece that puts all this chaos together (including irl issues, recasting and such). Also agreed 100%, Kang can't just be benched after these last 2 years. Specially when F4, A5 and Secret Wars are so close to each other in terms of release dates.
I don't think Kang should be recast (unless he is found guilty). I hope Marvel is writing the Kang Dynasty and Secret Wars now, doing principle filming, and then working backwards this way if Majors is needing to be recast then they would have done all the necessary work and filming they needed to complete the saga. Even without this issue with Majors after this phase they were not going to use Kang again.
I think the end of Loki perfectly sets up a return of Kang, that is actually orchestrated by Dr Doom. Since Loki is the God of Time/Stories, and he just ended a situation with Kang, he’s going to think the threat is Kang. That give Doom the space to manipulate things behind the scenes, and completely avoid Loki & the TVA who are focused on Kang.
very well balanced narrative.
My opinion is Kang is being dealt with by the TVA, right? There should be no way he'll ever be a problem again. Let Doctor Doom be the villain for phase 4 or 5, another big one for 5 or 6, and... So remember when I said the TVA had it handled? Yeah so that's out of hand now. Set him up as the next big bad to end a saga, they didn't cram Thanos as a primary villain in every other marvel film for a reason
Do not replace Majors. He's a great actor, and I've enjoyed him and his different portrayals of Kang thus far.
THIS is the way! Best video I've seen on Kant in months. You re-energized me on Marvel.
Those are great recast options. I would vote John David Washington. Kang hivemind is a great idea too.
I would vote John boyega even tho the star wars sequels were bad he did a good job of playing finn and I would like to see John boyega to play villain
Doom needs his own movie to introduce him. Give bits of the backstory in flashbacks, but have Dr. Doom protect Latveria from invaders but have him be ruthless in that defense. No mercy. It creates complexity to his character that makes him a relatable villain. Much like Magneto.
This was such a well thought out and thorough investigation on how they can fix this problem. I can’t believe how much it reminds me of my average, KZhead comments to any given video. It’s the same length I would write in the comments on a thrilling topic, like our paper clips, the correct shape. I couldn’t help but think how much a Kang mind jumping movie would remind me of Everything Everywhere All At Once
I do really like the idea of Kang taking over his variants. But, him hopping into other versions of himself also kind of already happened right? At least visually with Ultron? Idk if that's a good thing or a bad thing.
No Doom should not replace Kang. Doom should get his own story. Thanos too a long time to set up, and doing this would be a waste of building up Kang and weaken Doom.
Secret Wars has always been about Doom, not Kang. Kang has always been associated with timelines, not multiverses.
@@BaithNa Sure but switching to Doom would mean all of this time, and all of this build up would have been a waste. It would also appear, to those on the outside, that the loud minority on Twitter would have gotten their way (again). If you think the backlash over The Marvels is bad this would be worse in comparison. There is not enough time between now and Secret Wars / Kang Dynasty to establish Doom in the movies. Thanos was introduced in Avengers (2012) and hit the big screen in full 6 years later. Doom needs similar time of which there is not enough of.
Those monstrous accusations against JM, they impacted the character of Kang more adversely than Quantumania. Even if he's found not guilty... It's just a mess. Based on acting skills alone, he's good enough to save that character's arc. We'll see what happens.
I hate it too. It's really sad.
What are the accusations?
@@David.Andrew He was accused of domestic abuse, but it's looking like he may have been the one abused.
I want a Mexican guy for the recast.
This is all under the assumption that Doom wasn't the plan the whole time. When they announces Kang Dynasty followed by Secret Wars, i digured KD would end with Kang beating all the heroes only for Doom to swoop in and demolish Kang. What better way to show how dangerous he is than for him to just wipe the floor with someone who just beat all the Avengers.
Wow. The suggestion of having Doom replace Clea in Multiverse of Madness is such a huge improvement. Imagine if they did that and then had Doom appear in a post credit’s scene of Wakanda Forever. Then had Doom show up in Quantumania’s post credit scene alongside the Council of Kangs in the arena. Just having a through line would make people so much more excited for the MCU.
Why would they replace kang they should replace the writers and directors the actor did a good job he can't help that they can't write a good movie
The writers and directors of Quantumania were fired from any future Marvel projects but thay doesn't make Kang less of a joke or more of a threat.
I'm making a fan made version of kang dynasty but I think that the writers of kang dynasty should be the writers who wrote endgame
To be honest i wanted kang ,and dr doom teaming up together both of them causing damage to the avenger team!
that would be cool, they are supposed to be related too so....
Would they have a cool villain handshake and a fun dance sequence?
That would be cool but as much as I love marvel, they can't pull of multiple major villains at the same time. Not in the infinity saga and not now. Maybe in the future but I dont think that kang would last that long
What avenger team?
You fundamentally don’t understand Doom if you think that’s a possibility. Doom doesn’t need anyone’s help.
I don’t think the end of Loki cut out Kang. What Loki did was allow the multiverse to exist. Meaning hes allowed the Kang variants to exist, so if they stick with Kang then Avengers 5 will likely include the TVA coming in to help
The best I think they can do without replacing Kang is just to have the council go after Loki directly somehow and then they fight over who is going to rule over the multiverse but in their conflict causes the Multiverse to collapse and needing to be rebuilt in secret wars
I like your ideas and keeping Kang in it, even if it does sound a bit like Crisis on Infinite Earths. If you still have to recast Kang though for actor issues, then I go with Boyega. He could pass as a younger version of Kang or perhaps one of his variants who put his mind toward staying eternally young.
The thing about Boyega is he’s been a vocal critic of how the sequel trilogy handled Finn. So I don’t know if he'd want to work with Disney again.
Iron lad imagine
I think it's the writers and the directors problem in making the movies/story good. As much as I love Major's performance, the writers and directors ruined it. Re-writes and changing shit doesn't make it better not to mention what has been happening outside Marvel and that chick just ruining his image. I love his acting alot! I hope they keep him and give him great character development and have us, the fans, connect and be attached to him like we did in Loki Season 2!
Is Majors still acting Kang or is he still dealing with that assault or sex charge?
@@ayzeeBsex charge? Just making stuff up now.. smh
It’s the producers and hire ups directors have been fired for not going the way kevin wants things to go and then he makes the writers redo their work I wouldn’t blame the people who are getting exploited
This is how I think it should happen: Dr Doom was a brilliant scientist born into a wealthy family in latveria but after his mother and family died and his country went into poverty and ruins he created time travel technology and travelled throughout timelines meeting kang variants and in order to avoid being pruned by the tva he used kang variants as a decoy causing a war between them to distract the tva
Man, John Davis wachington option is freaking genius! Would be epic, thank u for making me imaginen that
I agree, Doom is miles ahead of Kang in popularity. However, my real concern is that they will bungle Doom like they have the the last few times they have tried to do him. Every cinematic Doom has fallen on his face and burned. Nothing against the actors that have portrayed him, but NONE have had the gravitas, one would need to play Victor Von Doom. So I hope they get this one right but I'm not holding my breath on this one. Ryan, Thank you very much for an excellent video and much respect for the time and energy you put in to these. I feel the passion you have for them and I'm here for it. Peace
I like this story. There's no one capable of replacing Majors however.
Simply awesome Work Ryan and Team!
Saying Marvel’s problems all lie within the writing hits the nail on the head. It doesn’t matter which way they go, the writing has to be on point. Disney screwed it up with their greed and allowing anyone with a little bit of talent do what they wanted instead of sticking to the storyline. Now we have a ton of characters that showed up and disappeared. That’s one of the most frustrating things for me.
the difference between ALL other superhero movies and shows and Marvel movies up until tthe last few years is the great writing and stories. without that, everything is basically SharkNado or whatever is on Sci-Fi channel
I’ve only known Doom from the old F4 movies (As I’m not that well into comic lore yet) an based on those, I would wait an finish Kang. As a non comic book reader tbh I just didn’t find both iterations of Doom not interesting. If all my friends who read comics are right an Doom is as awesome as he is I’d rather marvel take the time need with Doom and just finish Kang.
they could add an extra phase to fit some more storybuilding
I concur with your take on the debacle an "afterthought" doom would likely be. Another issue is your TLDR because it's imprecise and regardless if they shoehorn or carefully introduce doom, they need to distill a precise character from the many imprecise or out right poor depictions and TLDRs. One way might be for SC to examine a good depiction in video to highlight the things that work vs past failures. Private war of dr doom ep of avengers EMH might be a good contender for a short, easy to grasp, solid depiction and a breakdown of why might speak to the "scanned the wiki" problems of the past we hope they avoid in the future
Your videos offer very solid ideas and is creatively interesting. I don’t understand how you can come up with such an amazing interesting story arc for Kang and you have high paid creators/executives that come up with any man defeating Kang solo.
I really think there is plenty of time to introduce Doctor Doom. Just introduce him in Thunderbolts. I do also, however think that Kang is baked into the story but he hasn’t necessarily set himself up to be the ultimate villain and can easily be moved to a “dragon” role. ;”Dragon” is essentially a villain in a story who does a lot of the leg work. Think Darth Vader in Star Wars.
Explain how you would introduce Doom in Thunderbolts. I can't wait to hear this
@@mrnegativepredictsthefuture I don’t know necessarily what the plot of Captain America 4 will be, but it rumored to be a globe trotting political thriller where everyone fights over adamantium. The Thunderbolts is supposed to be a follow up to that story. I assume Wakanda as well as every other major nation will have a vested interest in who ends up with this metal. This is a good opportunity to introduce Latveria into that conflict. Have Doctor Doom be a master manipulator in Thunderbolts who is maybe even pulling the strings of the events of Cap4 the whole time (potentially even having a hand in the creation of Red Hulk). There could even be a scene where the Thunderbolts go to Latveria and get their asses handed to them by Doom. I think Sentry(The Void) is supposed to be the final “villain” of the Thunderbolts, but Doom could definitely be a key player in the story. After that, it’s just a matter of placing him in influential roles in different movies (Doctor Strange3, FF, Armor Wars) and allow him to take center stage in Secret Wars. Then after Secret Wars, keep Doom around. Don’t kill him off.
😂 we was already hyped for kang putting doom in as replacement is already too late
The studio need to watch this particular video of yours.
Your pitch at the end is amazing 19:14
Great job as usual. All I can say is that I truly hope the writers and exects at MCU are listening to you and take note of your thoughts! 🙏🏾
i really hope they keep going with kang. it would make me pretty sad if they try and pivot at this point.
Keep up the good work. I heard in other YT Videos that Kang can not be replaced due to his contract in whitch it said that only he can play kang. Like i said... i only heared in it a different video, not sure about the truth. :D Love your videos. I hope they keep Majors, i liked him as a villain and would love to see more.
Goodness, it's just every single time when Screencrush makes a video explaining marvel movies, it's just so perfect.
I 100% agree with the recasting options, they HAVE options very good ones
You wouldn't want iron man recast so kang shouldn't be either.
I’m very worried this is going to be a Johnny Depp situation and they boot him just because. Also idk why everyone was so disappointed with antman 3 clearly this isn’t the “big fight “ with Kang and I’m sure getting “defeated” is just leading up to some way for him to come back
It's not everyone it's a certain demographic and we all know what demographic that is.
So you introduce the next main villain by having him be defeated by a side character
@ScreenCrush remember in Loki Seas 1 when HWR said “I knew everything up until this point”? the question is did Loki make the audible to blow up the loom before or after that moment? (This is in response to your pitch of HWR planning Loki blowing up the loom)
Kang is the "Descenedant" of Reed Richards but Victor Timely is from the past (year 1868 as a child shown on Loki 2) and is older than Reed given the MCU timeline. So how is that he is still the descendant?
He was easily the best part of Antman 3. And his He who Remains and Victor Timely was awesome.
Agreed the way he plays each character is phenomenal- I will genuinely be disappointed and blue balled If they take him out
Kang should have gotten an origin movie. Cast a great actor and give dr doom his own origin movie
ahhhh I love starting my day with these incredible ideas
The essence of Kang's power was two fold. He's from the "future"; he knows everything about the heroes and already has counters for everything. Second, he can't be defeated because he always travels through time with endless variants and do overs.
But he couldn't tell the difference between Antman and Thor and he's died in every appearance he's made so none of that applies to the MCU Kang.
@@BaithNa"Died" no. Defeated, maybe. We saw in Loki that he "let Sylvie kill him" since he had contingencies. He's seen it all. He's got that Admiral Thrawn vibe in that he'll allow a "defeat" so that he can set up his next strategy. And him not recognizing Scott seemed like a flex: He's killed so many Avengers in his lifetime that he can't tell them apart.
They can't replace Kang they already called avengers 5 the kangs dynasty hence the name "Kang". And besides he's already been introduced in ant man 3 and in the Loki series so they mind as well continue Kangs storyline until secret wars
They've changed the names of movies plenty of times before so they can change this too.
@@BaithNa true but it's to late to replace Kang like I said they already Introduce Kang in Ant man 3 and in the Loki series
@@TheDragonTrainer1019I think kang has potential kang dynasty should be kang's last appearance so in secret wars dr doom is the main villain I'm working on a fan made version or avengers the kang dynasty and kang will die at the end and in the mid credits we will see Dr doom
@@youssefmesrati340 wooooo I like that Kang is killed by doom smart dude. But what about the beyonder?, he's a varient of Kang, isn't he going to be the main villian of secret wars?
@@TheDragonTrainer1019 wait wait hold on dude I never said he was killed by doom I said he will get killed by the avengers then in the mid credits scenes we will see Dr doom on a Thorne smiling evily and do u want hear more of my ideas
This whole video is brilliant & I LOVE your ideas for SAVING KANG to stay the Big Bad of the Multiverse Saga leading into DOOM/F4/Mutants etc.
Two long ass ads then KZhead adds an unskipable add is exhausting
You're putting way more thought into The Multiverse Saga than Marvel did lol If She Hulk can twerk, then switching Kang for Doom is fine.
Marvel should fully commit to this version of Kang. Have Kang assume the entire role of Doom in the lead-up to Secret Wars. The Kang variant we see in Quantumania becomes he who remains. They are the same variant at different times in their narrative. Kang the conqueror wasn't killed he was cast into the void at the end of time. From here he is outside the normal flow of tie and evades other Kangs and Loki. It is there that he meets and tames Alioth. He will use Alioth to wage a revenge campaign against other variants. He hopscotch reality recovering weapons from various heroes and adding to his arsenal- stealing the ten rings, the quantum bands, and celestial tech, Tiamat’s body becomes the citadel at the end of time.ect. Kang or his variants should connect to every hero. Immortus fights Thor and Hercules, Scarlet Centurion fights Shang Chi, Iron Lad forms the Young Avengers, and Rama Tut Fights the Fantastic Four. He who remains’ threat grows every time he is successful in reclaiming his power. Each variant he who remains defeats he absorbs their essence and power. Slowly he eliminates all rivals. Each time he does so he creates an incursion and destroys the reality of the Kang he killed in the process. Like Doom in the secret wars, Kang gathers survivors of these realities to work as his black swan harbingers. The Black swans fight against Dr. Strange, Clea, and their black priests. Eventually, Kang should weaponize Loki the way Doom weaponized Molecules man in the comics so he can absorb every remaining Kang’s essence. Doing so triggers the end of everything and the battle world is crafted from the remains. He who remains or his variants would appear in Deadpool 3, Thor 5, Eternals 2, Shang Chi 2, Dr. Strange 3, and Young Avengers. His influence should also be felt in the Sony movies more subtly by working with the villains of those movies. Doing this might risk overexposure but the scale of the threat is emphasized.
Dude you put so much thought and creative efforts into this than mcu writers ever will. Hope they watch this video and learn
All I know is this, Dr. Doom needs to be done right on the big screen. If there ever was a time to do right by the character it's now. With that being said, LFG!
It recently came up that she was the one that was hitting him and the lawsuit was also filed. I think he’s going to stay.
That's not true because Majors' countersuit against his accuser was immediately thrown out because he didn't have any evidence of her doing anything wrong.
@@BaithNawhat about the testimony from the Uber driver who witness the event?
@@BaithNathe lawsuit was thrown out because the prosecutor can only prosecute one person and after making a big case of it he has to bring major to trial dismiss the rest.
I saw last week that Marvel's going to replace Kang and then not even 24 hours later a reliable scooper that apparently has a lot of credibility called Daniel rpk says they aren't replacing him I'm not going to believe anything unless it comes from Marvel themselves in the coming months.
One of the biggest easter egg that none of these channels talk about is the conversation Loki and He Who Remains had about "Losing". Loki said something along the lines of always Losing and He Who Remains said he knows about losing...
one very important thing to keep in mind is not to trust those rumors, they may be true but pretty much every day we're getting new info, the other day they said they were replacing him, next one said that they weren't replacing him but recasting him, and then the next one said that they definetely weren't recasting him so all we can do is wait to see what happens, with that said, I hope eventually dr doom comes to the mcu
Should Marvel Dump Kang?
Yes.
Yes.
Hell naw
Ofc No
@@JustJessee Why so they can rush Dr. Doom and make a big mess of that too?
Embracing the multiverse's narrative potential by recasting Kang and introducing him as a distinct variant could be a masterstroke by Marvel Studios. This new Kang could be portrayed as a formidable adversary, surpassing even the threat posed by the Council of Kangs we encountered in Quantumania. A scene depicting this new variant and his legion of counterparts obliterating the Council of Kangs would effectively establish this iteration as an even more menacing force. This narrative shift would also provide further context for the 'original' Kangs' efforts to prevent their counterparts from breaching the multiverse. The line "They are starting to touch the multiverse" could allude to the impending arrival of these alternate Kangs in the primary MCU timeline.
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Thank you for the Displate discount! Buying for the first time, really looking forward to them! 🥰 I hope Marvel keeps Kang and Doom shouldn't be overly involved as an antagonist for Secret Wars because it would be premature. We'd need to get to know him A LOT more first and he doesn't appear to be a major character for Fantastic Four...
I think you can introduce Doctor Doom pretty quickly because Thanos was absolutely fantastic in every way and we only saw him for a very little bit before infinity war and I think many of us, I never read Comics at all, fell in love with the character and understood how awesome he was before even 15 minutes into that movie
Imagine having a good villain that they give a bad story for, and then blame the bad story for why ppl may not like the character. Everyone loves Kang and want to see him in the story going forward. Yea Majors isn't looking so good because of a court case, but even still the character has massive support.
What if they try to claim that Doom is a Variant of Kang? They could try to just duck tape Doom to Kang to try and pretend he was there the whole time and label him as like a rogue variant similar to Sylvie. I’m not saying this is a good idea but it could be a what if scenario.
SC please do a Foundation series breakdowns, feel like youd love the show and its a perfect show for you to break apart and analyze.
Hey Ryan, You're awesome here, I love your videos. But really, I think you have a new career as a screenwriter!
Drop Kang. The entire phase 4 needs to be thrown out. Loki defeated He Who Remains, and the TVA defeated his variants. We don't need to fix the multiverse saga, we need to dump it. It's a messy, poor phase with horrible writing.
We need to severely reduce the amount of MCU content falling out, and get the story back under a consolidated vision. If you want these movies to be connected, then the writing needs to be consistent! CONSISTENCY PLEASE. Stop rushing out half-baked shows and movies, and start releasing 2-3 movies a year again. Add 1/2 shows a year at most. Slow. Down. The. Content.
The writers have felt like horrible fan writers, all disconnected and cringy. Stop making this feel like a comic book. Make it feel like a real world. Stop with the cringy 'accurate' costumes that look stupid AF. Those kang variants were ridiculous. The MCU flourished by grounding the stories in reality, NOT by embracing the comical.
Wandavision being completely ignored in MoM, Quantumania not being an ant-man movie, secret invasion being made on a budget of $12, captain america and the winter soldier being re-written in half a week after covid started instead of entirely rethought out. The Marvels being... The Marvels... Where is Shang Chi? Where is Spider-man? There is just too many characters and not enough thought about how things are supposed to connect.
I like your idea of how to make Kang better, but I honestly prefer Kang the Conqueror being a past version of He Who Remains
I was thinking ever since the end of Loki... What if? There was a God Emperor Loki?
I totally agree. Great work!
Doom needs his own movie to justify his appearance before the F4 and to set up a real threat that makes Kang look like child's play
PLEASE MARVEL. DON’T GET RID OF KANG. He’s the best character you have done in a long time, and the signal thing that’s keeping me excited for the MCU.
Kang has been killed in every appearance he's made and his technology was destroyed by a stampede of dog sized ants. He's not a good character, he's a joke and always has been in the comics too.
@@BaithNathose ants were smarter than you and Scott lang lol why do people just ignore how strong a bus sized ant with technology thousands a years ahead of earth. Yes it was a little silly but that's antman movies
@@BaithNa you realize any one of those ants was probably stronger then captain America right? And he escaped from to proceed to beat Scott to a pulp.
@@BaithNa so because you don’t like Kang anymore and believe that they’ve messed him up, you want to replace him with someone they messed up at every turn?….. that is not smart at all
He's already lost twice though. Why bring him back? The TVA won't let him return.
I want a poster of my face with the caption “I’m the Loki variant for the 420 Universe” with some killer unique horns on.
11:50 add Tchalla in there too, Reed and Tchalla are brothers and Doom stole all the Vibrainum from Wakanda in Doomwar
I just did a rewatch of some post Endgame movies and noticed that characters use the words universes, multiverse, realities and realms. I just got confused since the characters keep interchanging these words as the MCU universe, so to understand these I watched some videos explaining the MCU multiverse. So here is how I understand how the MCU universe works 1. the sacred timeline (616) is called a universe but also can be called a multiverse since the sacred timeline has its own pocket universe, realms and dimensions (so we can call it Multiverse 616 or universe 616). 2. The branch timeline seen in Loki season 1 and 2 is mainly taking place in the universe 616 or multiverse 616 and also when He who remains explained that he ended the multiversal war but also stated he the word isolated then in Loki season 2 he who remains said that his variants were already out their (Note: This was before the loom was destroyed) so from what I'm getting at is that he who remains didn't won a war but hid Universe 616 from other universes. This also explains in What if season 1 why Ultron infinity can use the stones powers because Ultron was never travelling to another universe but travelling through branch timelines only designed to 616. (Note: He who remains and Kang also show a visual of a stack circle or black hole which corresponds to a alternate universe not a branches timeline.) 3. Remember in MoM Chavez can punch a hole to alternate universes well what Chavez did is very unique to her because she is the only person to have a natural ability to travel across an alternate universe. which makes her power even more impressive. 4. So to be called an alternate universe or multiverse it has to have a different point of origin. So the ending of Season 2 Loki where Loki is only saving the universe or multiverse of 616 so this doesn't include an alternate universe or multiverse like 838 or another. This is how I understand how the MCU works. correct me if I'm wrong.