6 Historical Figures That May Not Have Existed | Answers With Joe
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Ancient history is as much myth as it is history. So it's sometimes hard to know who from our history was real or just a mythical character in stories. Here's a few that are worth taking a look at.
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I'm just glad our local hero, Robin Hood, wasn't included. He absolutely, certainly, 100%, unambiguously, manifestly, unquestionably, irrefutably, assuredly, undeniably existed. Probably.
Yes I've seen the animated documentary! Never knew he was a fox.
@@JamesHarshaw and Kevin Costner
Never knew Alan Rickman was so old till I saw that documentary
Facts....Maybe
@@Stevie-J Robin Hood is definitely better than Jesus. Not only would Robin Hood have been nice enough to cure everybody of leprosy if he could, not just the occasional random folk who happened to get within groping distance of his cloak, but he'd also beat Jesus handily in an archery competition.
"KZheadr claims I don't exist, instantly regrets it." -Sun Tzu, Art of War
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@@Stevie-J ok and, who asked? The joke of the comment was a parody of dhar mann. No need to get political. Yeah, I bet it's all true what you said. But save it for a more relevant comment alright?
@@Stevie-J You are presenting your political opinion and then stating that you aren't being political. "This is a test to see if "political" simply means "something that vexes me" to you." This is a fallacious pile of trash.
@@Stevie-J I'm not someone who can't listen to politics, I like talking politics. But I made a decision ages ago to not keep talking politics when it's unrelated to the convo. Regardless of what you could've said, political or not, religious or not, in relation to anything else other than the actual comment I would've said the same thing about it being irrelevant and no point of it being in this thread. Even if you said something that aligns with any of my opinions, same point, irrelevant.
"When the jokes supposed to be in the comments sections but it turns out, its you!" -Sun Achoo, Art of War
"Gilgamesh ruled for 126 years..." I believe that 'years' were measured by growing seasons which, could be 3-6 months in length; depending upon location and prevalent crops being grown. It is not unfeasible for him to rule for 126 'seasons' or approximately 42 years. Living long enough to rule for close to 40 years would have been super-human in those times!
Didn’t Noah apparently live to 600 or so. Same thing, years weren’t as we know them now
@@raceyrache8463 In the Bible the number 40 is real popular .... Wandering in the desert for 40 years Rained for 40 days and 40 nights Some person [can't remember who] tied his ass [donkey] to a tree and walked for 40 miles I asked a friend of mine who is a priest [I'm atheist] about this and he said it was how they expressed the concept of a long time or distance.
@@raceyrache8463 using the same growing seasons system 600 years is still unfeasibly long
@@AFmedic reminds me of how the number ten thousand is a Taoistic expression for a very vast amount of something, kinda like using the word eons in English, it’s not meant to be literal but taken as meaning a long amount of time
@@Dell-ol6hb I thought the bible was non-fiction. Must be fact. 🤣🤣🤣
An ancient Greek man brings his torn pants to his tailor. Tailor says "Euripedes?" The man replies "yeah, Eumenidese?"
Smile of the fuckin' day. Lol *Hands off a black king chess piece*
👏 👏 👏
You lose a point for making me choke on my coffee. Officially changing your name to "Frosted Flakes" because that was Grrrrrrrreat!
what
Not bad
Historians of the future: "Wow, this Chuck Norris guy..."
Sadly I can see this happening.
Damn this Keanu Reeves fella
@@Reneux - The way people love Keanu on the internet already, if they remember him in a thousand years he'll be on par with Jesus. I mean, he is a great guy though.
@@0mn1vore he looks like him already.
@@lucianoag999 - Except he's white.
The fact that Santa always attaches a gift receipt to his presents is an unequivocal proof for his existence.
Well we know that St Nicholas was a real historical figure. And there's a legend about him punching Arius in the face at the council of Nicaea. Imagine getting punched in the face by Santa.
Hahahaha
@@StephensCrazyHour You're about to feel a whole lot more than my naughty list *pulls back long robe sleeve*
In my family, you go from being on Santa's list to becoming one of his helpers. I believe in Santa. I've worked for the guy for years.
santa was first created for comsumerism. pretty sure he first appeared on coca cola.
When I was a teenager working at a cafe an elderly gentleman saw my name tag & said " ah Helen, the face that launched a thousand ships". Being a naive teenager I didn't know the myth & thought he was implying that I had a big nose that could launch boats.
There's a famous basketball player that was nicknamed Hakeem the dream. I had never heard of him so when the other kids would call me The dream or [my name] the dream I couldn't tell if they were making fun of me because I fell asleep in class or I was really popular because dudes I had never met knew my name. It was a couple years later I learned my name was similar to this players name and it had nothing to do with me being popular.
I used to think it meant you could smash champagne bottles against it.
Oh no LOL
"People die when they are killed." - Sun Tzu
"Unless..." - Abraham van Helsing
"Pee is stored in the balls." - Sun Tzu
"If these niggas on the internet don't stop misquoting me, I'm gonna bust they ass" -- Sun Tzu
"Your words will disappear." Suntzu Stark
"The sun shines when it is day" Sun Tzu
"Never let the enemy know your real name" - Sun Tzu
That’s a quote that was plagiarized from Harvey Finkelstein.
@@danielschaeffer1294 I thought that was "Laces OUT"... my bad... that was Ray Finkle
@@markzambelli ROFLMAO!!!!! I wonder how many of those reading your comment had no clue who Ray Finkle is/was until they Googled it? Another lesson learned is, when on a date, make sure there is NO "big ole Mr. Kannish."
@@AFmedic 🤣🤣🤣
There is a popular theory, of which I am an adherent, that Sun Tzu was a fictional nom-de-plume made up by a bunch of generals of the era who got together to write a definitive text on warfare. None of them wanted their own names associated with the textbook because they didn't want their employers giving them a hard time. (Sun Tzu is particularly critical of Kings and Princes who think they know how to fight a war.) This explains a lot of things about the text, including how it's a bit repetitious about certain subjects, as well as the fact that some of the chapters have distinctly different writing styles.
“The Wheel of Time turns, and Ages come and pass, leaving memories that become legend. Legend fades to myth, and even myth is long forgotten when the Age that gave it birth comes again.
I thought the exact same thing.
I almost thought that's where he was going.
Same, I got excited for the quote
RIP Robert Jordan
and Chuc Norris is still a badass...
"All of us become stories in the end. Make it a good one."
"Someday a lot of authors who aren't you" will be telling your life story... "Give them some good source material" Excellent suggestion, Joe!
@@pulaski1 No - just the interesting stuff ;-)
@@AndyMcKell-Author What if there _isn't_ any interesting stuff? 😠
Either write something worth reading, or do something worth writing
@First Name Pepys. :)
A thousand years from now people will speak of the great Ask Joe, an amalgam of stories describing an online genius who educated the world during very dark times.
I wouldnt be shocked if in ten thousand years they talk about the great einstein who invented science and lifted all of humanity from mud huts into a technological age.
@@DrinkyMcBeer I just look forward to the day when if the answer to ANY question is "god" you're laugh at, as you should be.
Fact: There is a non zero chance that at one point, the photoshopped picture of Hitler shaking hands with an Alien was sent by a satellite dish while missing it's target satellite, which given the nigh impossibility of pointing something in the exact same direction in space twice, also means that this picture is the one proof of human existence in that entire general direction of space.
I like your optimism. Personally, I’m not convinced we make it 100 more years.
@@altortugas5979 Give it 30 years.. doubt this clown circus will last that long
I've been a carpenter for about 30 years, and during that time I have consistently written my name followed by "king of" whatever state I was in at the time on small objects and put them in foundations, sidewalks, and driveways. I've written it on framing studs, roof sheathing, and the backs of drywall sheets. I've also written horrible things about my best friend in the previously mentioned fashion. I hope that one day there's a KZhead video questioning the validity of my kingship as well as the heinous sexual exploits of my buddy Scott and various farm animals.
Omg that is evil and amazing!!
Chad af
Hey joe! Just want to say thank you! I’ve been a watcher for about a year or so now, but the last week or so I’ve gone down the rabbit hole and you’re my main Channel lately. People don’t realize the value in learning and you make it such a a fun time every time. Just want to say thanks for the knowledge!!!
Joe Scott doesn’t exist, he is a manifestation of our collective curiosity.
@Quality Playlists We can make religion out of it
@@angelikaskoroszyn8495 and be exempt from taxes!
15:22 this was deep
Learn more about that, on curiositystream!
King Arthur, funny how he's now portrayed as English but actually fought against the Anglo-Saxons, who at a later date were then defeated by the Norman's and became England. While the original Britons who Arthur was the king of were squeezed further and further west now being the country of Wales.
England existed as a political entity long before the Normans. With them it was more of a change in management.
@@bigjo66 Not to mention that DNA studies point to a large degree of genetic continuity in early Britain.
Independent Tribal areas to Roman's to Britons to Saxons to saxon/Norse back to Saxon to Frenchified Norsemen To Welsh. That's roughly 1500 years Ending in 1487
@@bigjo66 Not long before the Norman, it was on the century before they arrived. Till then England was a patchwork of smaller kingdoms. It makes no sense to seperate out anyone on these islands now. If you're from any part of them you'll have ancestors who were from every part of them, fighting on all side in every inter-British Isles war. There are no distinct peoples anymore.
@@bigjo66 England as we know it has been, undoubtedly, established by the Norman kings.
Holy cow!!! You just ran through all those names in Greek mythology, Chinese, Scandinavian, etc....like you were saying Bill and Bob! That was amazing! AMAZING!!!
Sun Tzu actually have an actual name, it's called Sun Wu. During that era, it is polite to call respectable people [family name] - Tzu. This is true for other great masters such as Kong Tzu, the person who started confucius. It may have been true that the art of war was redacted several times after Sun Tzu's death, but that person most likely existed.
Idk abt the other stuff, but I’m pretty sure kong tzu is just “master Kong”
Trinity: "Dodge this!" Joe dodges the bullet. True story.
The character could have btw...
Trinity?
@@BitcoinMotorist Trinity is a main character from the film Matrix. There is a famous scene where she says "Dodge this!" and holds a gun.
"The Trinity": Dodge This Was Christ a man, a God, or both?
@@BitcoinMotorist the agent she says that line too.
From what I understand researching the mythology of Gemini, there were two eggs. One which sired Zeus's children, Pollux and Helen, while the other egg sired the children of Leda's mortal husband, Castor and Clytemnestra. Also Zeus's advances we're less than appreciated by Leda, if you know what I'm sayin.
"Some day your life wil be nothing but a story. A story told by a lot of authors that aren't you, so give them some good source material" - Joe Scott. That's powerful dude. Thank you.
I always find myself being entertained by you even though I don't know exactly why. Great video!
When you said castor and Pollux I thought “like in face/off” which made me laugh out loud with your next sentence.
yes!!! exactly my reaction!!
Problem is, Castor and Pollux weren't the ones that traded faces. Castor traded his face, but not for Pollux.
The rifftrax of face off is amazing
Every time I hear these names I think of Face/off
It's refresing to hear someone talking evenly about mythology and calling it mythology. Good for you!
What are you talking about? Mythology doesn’t mean fake. It means mythological, and that means possibly historically based but the important things are the lessons taken by the society that mythologized them
I for one enjoyed this comment.
@@davidnotonstinnett very specifically I am talking about treating mythology as a fact, which is a feature prominent in religious thinking. Even those who are critical of Christianity in the west tend to give undue deference to Christian mythology out of personal belief, or fear of censure.
@Make McCarthyism Great Again uh oh, he's losing the fascists.
@@CapnSnackbeard and I’m criticizing your point as coming from a place of bias against these stories. Your lack of belief doesn’t prove falsehood any more than a belief proves truth. What matters is what is, and specifically when it comes to your example of Judeo-Christian mythography, usually the myths have some element of truth but are exaggerated, which is the case with most mythology. It’s weird to single out one myth group.
Regarding Jesus... it's rather coincidental that pictures and stories about him closely resemble Dionysus - a Greek God with white skin and blond(ish) hair who was also crucified only to rise again three days later. Dionysus was heavily worshiped throughout the Middle East (because the Mediterranean - Jerusalem is a scant 780 miles from Athens in virtually a straight line across the sea), and the Christians are well known for "appropriating" other mythologies to fit their own mythos (see Christmas and/or Easter).
@nadia poole -- The "historical" evidence you cite has been proven by multiple historians to be a fake. The fact of the matter is, out of dozens upon dozens of historical writers alive during Jesus's alleged life, NOT ONE of them ever mentioned him. You'd think a guy performing miracles and eventually brought before Roman justice only to magically disappear after three days in a crypt... would get at least a small mention by at least one or two of them. But we got nothing. kzhead.info/sun/ldGjgZVtbWinn2g/bejne.html
I just googled this and can't find any 3 day risen myth associated with Dionysus. I also can't find any mention of him being crucified so....i dont think this holds any water. Jesus has been pretty well verified as being a real person. But jesus was very clearly not white. There's basically zero chance he was anything but a brown/black skinned jew from the middle east, which makes western christrianity hilarious.
Yeah, when I took a class on King Arthur, the professor said he was based on a real man who United local clans, but beyond that, it was all embellishments that came much later.
“Technoblade will never die” -Sun tzu, the art of war
2:30 I could not let this go because this statement here sounds sooooo familiar. The Wheel of Time turns, and Ages come and pass, leaving memories that become legend. Legend fades to myth, and even myth is long forgotten when the Age that gave it birth comes again. Credit: Wheel of Time
Yeah, I was hoping that he was going to make it into a reference considering how close that statement was, and how this video lines up so well with one of the themes of the books (that being the passage of time and distance changing how history is remembered).
@@Triumph263 I totally agree that it would have made a fun Easter egg reference for those who know. Especially with the show coming out and all.
Thanks for the goosbumps.
So glad I wasn't the only person to think this as the video started 😂
Could be worse. It's been said that you die twice. The first time when your physical body dies and the second, the last time someone mentions your name.
Another entertaining video. Thanks Joe! I look forward to this every Monday 😀
"Any doh" deserves an Emmy 👏👏
What’s weird is that I literally *just* finished reading an online article about a new version of the “Merlin/Arthur” story that was found in some page fragments in an old book in a Bristol, England library.
Interesting fact Arthur and Merlin's legends were only combined by Geoffrey of Monmouth and were originally separate. I think
2:40 that was a very good opportunity for a Lord of the Rings reference... "And some things that should not have been forgotten were lost. History became legend. Legend became myth."
I serched for this coment too damn long;)
Usually when a youtuber pulls off some random acting bit like the intro was, it is cringy as heck. But you managed to pull it off very well, zero cringe, A+ acting. Legit lowkey impressed
The bill and Ted reference made me smile, thank you Joe
"What's the best place on your body to have a rash?" - Sun Tzu: The Art of War
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"Sometimes it takes a real man to be best girl" -sun tzu: the art of traps
@@similar_username loolol
Definitely some food for thought. Thanks, Joe.
Dude y’all are class act ….. really amazing work and Humble practice
"Author and historian Daisy Dunn" You forgot "...and Doppleganger to Nicole Kidman"
Lol. I just posted the same thing.
RIGHT?
5:48 I thought that she looked familiar somehow!
She's cuter than Nicole.
We could use a lot more Kidman doppelgängers!
All these people "lived" so long ago that whether they are real or not is not as important as the good story, and lessons, they give us today.
Indeed
Yeah but it’s interesting to know if they were or not
Joe. Giving exposure to subjects largely outside of the public consciousness!. Thank you both!
"Technoblade never dies" -Sun Tzu, Art of War
Alestorm is 100 times better than Hootsforce -Sun Tzu, Art of War
It’s just great to see the great Jason, his writing shows up all over the videos 😍
I love watching Charlie Day talk about Homer Simpson
Hi Joe. I came across your foreign mysterious deaths and disappearance video from April 13th of 2020. I just want to thank you for showcasing that and getting the word out there about my people's problems I'm Lakota from South Dakota and I live in Utah, USA. Murdered and missing indigenous women goes widely ignored. I'm just thankful that you actually gave an honest view on it and told facts and did not lie thank you.
The opening was hilarious 😂
I remember the Mythical Creatures video from the summer! Breaking walls down Joe, Amazing content as always.
"She probably didn't hatch out of an egg, for example..." 💀😆🤣
I am totally stealing that quote.... giving you credit of course.... " Someday your life will be nothing but a story.... so give them good source material." LOVE IT!
What about Tim Dodd? Does he really exist? Did Joe just build him from a kit so his own beard would appear magnificent in comparison? Will future historians recognize him as a real person or simply an avatar created to distract us
Okay, the "milli-Helen" metric made me laugh out loud -- which was kinda embarrassing, considering I'm watching this from work while waiting for a meeting to start. 😄 Oh, and an enthusiastic thumbs-up for the photo of Daisy! Woot! (What's her milli-Helen rating?)
Calling from that photo, I'd rate her at at least 550 to 600 MH. But rating women based on their appearance alone kind of got out of style over the last few decades. Luckily, Daisy's also a great author and columnist. Always a good read.
@@lonestarr1490 While rating a woman *only* on her physical appearance does do her a disservice, in the long run, we're still wired by about 2 million years of evolution to appreciate the aesthetics of beauty. We are visual creatures, and physical attraction gets our attention. That's not a *bad* thing, so long as that's not the ONLY thing. :)
Love this channel and love you Joe!! (And the people behind the scenes: ))
Ik a 126 years is still insane but I’ve often wondered if healthy people back then would’ve lived longer than us because of the quality of the plants and animals they ate, and the air they breathed
Yeah, the answer is no.
Lmaoooo
@@AD-df5tm why is the answer no? Just because you say so? The only reason the average life expectancy was so low is because how many babies died.
When you are weak, make your enemy think you are strong. When you are strong, make your enemy think you are weak. Sun Tzu is well worth a read even if he may or may not be real actuallyz
What do you do when you're at medium strength?
@First Name Most of what he says is common sense; but sometimes it is worth going through a list of things that should be common sense to realise there are a few things you hadn't considered, or things you hadn't thought of like that before.
"Attack where your enemy is not." Well that just makes sense. WW1 Generals: Over the top, lads! Don't mind the machine guns, barbed wire, or unexploded artillery munitions.
@@christopherwebb3517 Make your enemy believe that you are elsewhere.
@@christopherwebb3517 Consider what terrain you are on.
Hopefully Mr Kipling is included, he off exceedingly good cakes...
"Deepcake"? 😉 (I thought that was exceedingly good)
Sun Tzu: Genius behind Wu-Chu wars. Homer Simpson: Genius behind the Woo Hoo wars.
Dangit Joe, the Tardis isn't a phone booth, it's a police call box.
hey, Joe can you talk about the shipping containers shortage? btw love your vids thankyou for making them!
Would love that
@@DyslexicMitochondria yup
All the missing 40' Cans are in Western Australia. I know this to be almost 100% not a myth. Tens of thousands of them
Great idea, include the history as well, a great story about US ingenuity, and of course litigation.
PERFECT idea for a Monday topic! Glad you brought up the shortage.
"Dodging that bullet"...yeah, good luck.
"Someday, your life will be nothing but a story" not even that for the far far far majority of people. You'll pretty much be immediately forgotten, like all the rest.
Working on "good source material" is a great goal! Really puts life into perspective.
Pre-Moses biblican figures are never really believed excepy by literalists, but it is worth knowing that Moses also definitely did not exist. Nothing about that story matches the excellent historical records kept by the Egyptians. There was no single large migration as depicted at all.
There's the possibility the Egyptians saw it as weakness to their power and decided to not write about it to retain their reputation a bit.
@@SeanSMST Not likely. We have pretty good records of events the Egyptians tried to erase from history, like the Cult of the Sun and various other scandals among pharos. Historically, cultures that kept good records have not been as good at destroying them. That's why we know so much about the holocaust, despite the many records destroyed by the Nazis. Plus, it doesn't fit with any of the other archeological evidence, beyond records of the event itself.
@@Sam_on_KZhead I said the possibility thinking it would have been like China is currently, but I understand that even still there were good records. I have the feeling Moses was real, just his story was either mixed with other stories or some fictitious events, just like it seems for Jesus. It's likely Jesus existed and was a preacher, but fanatic believers passed in rumors and stories of what he had done. We'll never know for sure though, which regardless of religious opinion I think is a shame.
Regarding Moses, I once read a (non-fiction) book on him that proposed that Moses did exist (several historical Egyptian rulers that were ousted would be likely candidates - e.g. Akhenaten, or Smenkhare, or Neferneferuaten, or one of the pharaohs of the Hyksos 15th dynasty, or the Semitic 14th) BUT there was no large migration at all (their rule of thumb on Genesis/Exodus numbers was 'scratch off one zero or even two' so there were not 40 000 men with him, but 4000). Speaking of pre-Moses figures, another explanation for the implausibly long lifespans was that they were months that a clerical error made years (so Methuselah lived 70-ish years, still a lot for the ancient period)
@@SeanSMST There is quite a bit of debate about Jesus being real as well. It seems like an overwhelming consensus because most people count religious scholars. But among scholars who don't have a religious conviction about it, it is hotly debated. There is SOME evidence he was real, but that evidence is much weaker than you'd expect. As for Moses, anything recognizable as a basis for that story is very unlikely to be true. There is no evidence for a mass migration, for large numbers of Jewish slaves in Egypt, for anyone in a family from Egyptian leadership bearing any resemblance to Moses, or the catastrophes described by the plagues. There is some speculation that it could have been partially inspired by a real volcanic eruption, but that is a far cry from evidence of any individual resembling Moses.
Love the content joe :)
This is the best intro to a history video I've ever seen.
Wait a second, did you just subtlety imply that most organized religion is mythology? Well played Joe, well played
A lot of mythology is religion, so . . .
The word MOST let hi off the hook. He should have said ALL
Joe, you make things that take a LONG time to do, though you make it look EASY.
Well, I know King Arthur existed -- I've seen the Monty Python documentary, and they would never exaggerate anything just for its comedic value.
How do you know he's a king then? He hasn't got shït all over him.
Monte Python's recount of the duel between Arthur and the Black Knight was accurate. George Lucas' version at the end of Revenge of the Sith was typical Hollywood embellishment.
Listen: Strange women lying in ponds distributing swords is no basis for a system of government. Supreme executive power derives from a mandate from the masses, not from some farcical aquatic ceremony.
Thank you for sharing informative and entertaining content. Your channel is one of the most intelligent on you tube.
This is the first time anything anyone makes sense or notices the same with many people and different places Worship. No one else has the merit but you. So good on you.
Joe is posting consistently again! Makes me want to cry because I was in the car with family and they were talking about tesla. I wasn't up to date because there's no not OLF and it tears me up inside!
I know three nerds on a KZhead channel shouldn’t be my sole source of info but I do feel significantly less informed than I did when those three were together…
Maybe we should petition tim dodd be set to the iss and require to start olf again
if you want to know more to talk about Tesla check out Adam Something's channel. Great and funny content.
Last I checked there was exactly zero contemporary accounts of Buddha or Jesus. Everything we know of them, including from archaeology, is from well after their supposed lifetimes.
@Justin Time Maybe I tuned out for a moment but the conclusion he gave didn't match those details.
@To Release is To Resolve I did. Learn to read.
I'll never stop saying it as I have many times before that Joe Scott is and will always forever be by far my absolute favorite KZheadr
Jean-Luc Godard asked, What if the Odyssey and the Iliad weren't written by Homer, but actually written by a different Greek author who coincidentally also happened to be named Homer
I can’t believe you didn’t mention how until recently we weren’t even sure Troy was a real place.
Actually, that part may have been slightly embellished by Schliemann to make his discovery seem greater.
That has nothing to do with the title.
Joe wearing bearded NH t-shirt in his call made me smile. i wonder about the story behind that one?
That is not NH. NH doesn't have a flat top. I'm 99% sure its Idaho
Joe was so excited for doing a mythical creatures video lmao, he was so interested
I heard that the story of King Arthur was actually a metaphor of ancient britan's gradual transformation from the stone age to the iron age. That is, the "sword in the stone" is a metaphor for ore extraction which transformed ancient societies.
The sword removed from the stone is much older. In Greek myth, Theseus removed a sword from under a stone and thus became king. In Norse myth, the father of Siegfried did the same.
You forgot to mention Elvis. JK. The intro was hilarious! Reminds me of me. Im glad you brought up Jesus. Be brave. Good episode. Thanks for the info.
Ah, yes. Starting with the King of Heroes. As you should, obviously
7:22 Face/Off joke. Love it! Castor Troy would be proud.
Saw the title and was like “Oh, God…” Literally
12:40 - "He doesn't seem to show up in any of the documents from that time period." There were almost no documents from that time period. That's why it's called "The Dark Ages".
"There were almost no documents from that time period." There actually were documents in that time, plenty of them. How do I know this, you ask? What we in the Western world refer to as "the Dark Ages" was also known as the Golden Age of Science for many Eastern (and largely Muslim-led) nations. Of course, those people and their histories are often forgotten because the goings-on of non-Western places and their people, as well as followers of non-Judeo-Christian religions, are of course less important and treated as such by historians.
@@erichanson3369 I was talking specifically about Great Britain.
@@DarthMerlin Ah--Well, in that case, you are of course exactly correct.
Modern historians no longer use the term Dark Ages. I'm looking forward to reading a book I've requested from my local library system: The Light Ages: The Surprising Story of Medieval Science by Seb Falk. And that's specifically about European History. Published in November, 2020.
the "dark ages" are grossly overstated and most historians no longer use that phrase. The podcast "Our Fake History" has at least one episode on this topic. It might be a two parter.
The whole idea of Helen of Troy’s beauty as the impetus for launching 1000 ships is a perfect example of how oral stories grown and change through the internet retelling the oral tradition. Initially, there were probably only a few ships, those relevant to Mycenae and to Troy. However, as a story was told through the generations, people wanted their cities and towns to become involved in the story as well. Thus, five ships became, 10 ships became 20 ships, and 20 ships became 1000 ships as storytellers expanded the take by adding their own cities. Incidentally, Dactylic hexameter, which is the rhyme scheme of both “Thr Iliad” and “The Odyssey”, was used to help remember the poem. Familiar and predictable rhyme schemes help to commit such long poems to memory.
If you do a part two to this I would suggest William Shakespeare, another who some say might be a combination of many people similar to King Arthur.
The amount of times dude interrupted the other dude is pretty astounding. He barely even got 2 words out.
You tackled the Jesus minefield really well! Kudos!
Easy cause there isn’t any evidence outside of the Bible that is contemporary.
Why enter the Jesus minefield when you can step right into the Moses (who definitively did not exist and very likely is just a mishmash of older myths) minefield.
@@blakelandry I believe that there is.
@@lilwerner1518 Tacitus was born 25 years after the supposed death of Jesus. Doesnt quite make that contemporary, or first hand eye witness account.
@@blakelandry - I think the best theory going is that Jesus was a case of a pre-exisiting mythical figure being placed into a historical time as if the stories were referring to a single, real person. It's a version of euhemerism.
Actually, the version I know of the very effed up birth of Leda's children is that Helen and Pollux came from the same egg, as they were both Zeus' children, while Castor shared the same egg with Clitemnestra (Agamemnon's future wife, mother to both Orestes and Iphygenya), both of them being the children of Leda's husband, the king of Sparta (whose name I can never remember, I think it was Electrion or something like that). Helen appears in another legend, when she's abducted by Theseus (the guy who slayed the Minotaur) when she was 15, to be his wife, with her brothers waging war on Athens to get her back. This is presumed to be the origin myth or the age-old hatred between Sparta and Athens. Sidenote, couple this with the story of how Theseus seduced and later abandoned Ariadnae, Minos' daughter, and...you know why Theseus is the most effed up of the Ancient Greek heroes and why most everyone hated Athens back then :)).
This is hands down the nerdiest comment I've ever read.
@@birdflipper Yes, I'm a huge Greek mythology nerd, I gotta admit it.
@@madsgrams2069 Everything I know about Greek mythology I learned from you and Joe. ;)
“Don’t be real” -Sun Tzu, Art of War
should do a video about Alan Smithee, what books got big, which ones didn't, who was found out and why? lots of fun questions and you'd be recommending good books (hopefully)
Just fallen in love for an historian... Whoa, that Daisy... :D
Ding dong!
Yea, she's smoking hot.
Wow.. just looked her up and spent 20 minutes watching her talk about romans and poetry… lol 😍
For a really deep dive into the historical Arthur read "The Keys to Avalon" by Steve Blake and Scott Lloyd. It may have a bit of a Welsh nationalist agenda behind it but is very convincing in its reasonably tentative conclusions.
@@Stevie-J Fortunately we can make a computer read a book to us
@@IllMind3d Okay but can it get me to Hawaii?
@@slyseal2091 I did think about this, and I would say no, however on a technicality you may be able to use a computer to do so, but it would obviously involve known and common forms of transport
If the required deep diving suite, and a way to generate oxygen is invented.. it might be possible to walk to Hawaii in the future... or you could wait until the Sun enters it's red giant phase.. Then it'll be dry enough.
Well, I'm going to read it.
Wilhelm Tell, or William in English, is apparently an all together fictional character loosely based on a Danish viking. Pity for all the people in Switzerland who for centuries regarded him as a folk hero.
Never stop doing this, your a YT staple
Was that a Wheel of Time reference at 2:30?
My friends often relate things we did in our youth that I remember quite differently, and that's just 50 years ago. At the end of the day individuals are quite irrelevant, it's the dynamic and intention of our species that is important. We need to recognise this.
@Justin Time Normally with Alcohol or religion involved.......
*My friends often relate things we did in our youth that I remember quite differently, and that's just 50 years ago* IKR? And people say we can rely on oral tradition. 😆😅🤣 Correct info can't even get transmitted during the current generation
I was about to call you out with this rubbish as at 9:50 my Wu-Wu alarm went mental... glad it was a false alarm.🤣
gotta love the phrase "served king Lu Hu of Wu during the Wu-Chu wars"
5 minutes in with fingers crossed for Jesus Crossed
Ha Ha, I see what you did there. Careful you might get crucified for that 😁😆😆
Same!