Fire in downtown Iowa City, Iowa
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Fire in downtown Iowa City, across from The University of Iowa, March 5th, 2019.
Got it from a source that Hodges Contribution was warming an LP tank when some glue ignited. You can see and hear what sounds like a LP tank exploding at 1:05
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Okay - a steady hand on the camera, NO STUPID MUSIC ADDED, no asinine selfies, no dingbat screaming "oh my GOD, oh my GOD" and NO talking just to hear yourself talk - KUDOS - THUMBS UP
I second this! I was watching this thinking “thanks for not talking and giving a commentary”!
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Amen to that.
Sounds just like the idiots on a cruise ship shooting video of people late to return to the ship and get left behind. All you hear is "Oh My God ... Oh My God ... "Oh My God ... Oh My God .. "Oh My God ... Oh My God ..What morons.
Yes, except for the fact that there was not a single drip of water sprayed from the tower onto the fire till 5:42. The fire fighters in the bucket just seem to enjow the show. In Europe, that's unthinkable. Under any circumstance. Period.
I am a firefighter - retired - New York State certified interior structural firefighter and trainer - before retiring I was Captain of a tower ladder like that one - I wasn't there and don't know the whole picture - but it does seem they were rather slow in establishing their water supply. The tower (really a quint) (you can tell its a Pierce from the bucket) had to have been there for at least a minute or two before the video started since they were already jacked and the tower starting up. It was clearly an exterior attack on the way in, so they should have established water supply first. Tower's no good without water. So why didn't they drop one man and their 5" at the nearest hydrant on their path in - with the Pierce you can wrap the hydrant and it will pull out the back. Driver pulls up, puts both the pump and aerial in gear, sets the chocks, then gets the 5" onto the inlet and tells the hydrant guy to open it up. Gets the water supply established. One of the tower guys sets the jacks and gets the tower ready. My guess is they could have had wet stuff on the red stuff about three or four minutes faster - and you could see how quickly that fire spread. Done it enough times myself to know.
I'm glad you said something, I'm not a firefighter, don't know much about it, but was curious why it seemed to take so long to get going. Either way, it's very brave what you all do!
I am a firefighter in the Midwest. I realize everything thing you said makes sense but, we typically (other Midwest cities included) do not have the staffing level on a truck company like The FDNY has. Those firefighters taking the hydrant might be the engine crews. Helping a two person truck company.
@@TT-nx1wh that's understandable I'm on a 2 man engine. I was trying to figure out why engines didnt forward lay in. It looks like 2 were just sitting idle. Looks are decieving especially on KZhead because we only see a tenth of what is going on. Regardless of anything that was quite a fire.
UK firefighter..we would of had a jet on that within 35 seconds of arrival ..it even high pressure hosereel in even less time..than supplemented from either a second pump or a hydrant ..
@@kevinhancock8157 serious question? Do you mean a jet as in airplane? And what would a high pressure hose reel have done to that amount of fire?
Wow that is drastically unacceptable water supply management.
GREAT video to show what cheap building products are used today. New home catches fire, it is fully involved in 5 minutes.
Ok, so the SAME material won't burn once it is built? Good grief. I guess all these new homes that people LIVE in and go from a small fire to fully involved in 5 minutes are because someone forgot a few nails you would say they were still under construction.
@Klaa2 lmfao
@@trvman1 You got 50 million dollars to build an apartment complex out of steel and concrete? oh sorry the price just went up to 200 million dollars looks like you are out of luck and now bankrupt.
I am a professional firefighter for 21 years now and this was frustrating to watch.
amen ive got 18 years in it piss meoff to watch this video
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VERY frustrating to watch!! Per 1: "the firefighters are here" Per 2: "what are they doing?" Per 1: "watching it burn it looks like!"
They had to pass a hydrant coming in. Stop and make a forward lay. No reason to drag LDH a block down the street in a large city. It took far too long to get water on this fire.
I was thinking the same thing. By the time they got water on it the whole top floor was pretty much going.
Basement savers
Crazy...even 3 engines sitting behind the platform and none of them hit hydrants as well....lots of room for improvement, and to put up the bucket with no water wasn't very smart either.
@@steveleslie9022 Have to agree with all these comments , one of the pumpers should have laid a supply line to the aerial , Firefighter 32 years Retd.
Exactly what I was thinking too. By the time they find a hydrant, the fire will have burnt itself out! For a city area I'm surprised there aren't more hydrants per block.
Thank you for non-vertical video
No doubt!
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You should be supported to take lessons on how to use a video camera...
I guess for the extra challenge they wait 6 minutes before applying water to the fire?
LOL Best comment. :)
Just wanted to give the Fire a good head start
I watch these videos and never cease to be amazed how long it takes to put water on fire.
At about 8 minute mark second fire truck first washes ambulance off before tackling 🔥.
And people wonder why paramedics like myself have a love/hate relationship with the FD :)
Actually if you watch again, there's no-one on the ladder. Nozzle and ladder operated by remote control. The nozzle was probably in it's travel position and just so happen to be pointing toward the ambulance.
@@railwayman100 Perhaps. I think the main issue is, that ladder truck was moving into position about the 1:00, 3 other fire vehicles were already on scene at the start of the video. Yet some how it took almost 7 minutes for the first aerial to get water established, and another minute to get the second one. If they had water established around the 2 minute mark, nobody would have cared that the ambulance got washed first.
@@phalcon23 but you always need to clean your rig before heading out. You can't fight fire with a dirty rig.
È una cosa vergognosa! Questi firemans sono degli incapaci
As a retired police officer I would like to commend the traffic guys with excellent cone placement.
lol
😂😝🤣
LOL, the only guy on scene to do the job right!
Yeah.
That was Classic 🤣
The USA need better water systems in place, 5 minutes before they started using water what a joke.
Slowest fire department in the USA? Iowa City should be embarrassed by that performance. The videographer, on the other hand, did a terrific job. Great video!
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Seems like they are trained to protect the corners first as they are the most structurally integral. Interesting to watch, a rare viewpoint.
That said, video ended too soon! I was invested!
@@robotslug Battery had died but they got it under control fairly quickly. Good job ICFD.
EO forgot to unpin the stick out of rescue mode and make sure the nozzle was out of default stow position. Oof. It always seems to go that way when folks are filming too.
Almost every fire truck in the Netherlands has 1000 gallons of water on board, so the can start putting out the fire the moment they arrive. no time wasted.
BN///// All those engines just sitting around have at least 500 gal tanks. Maybe they were all waiting for the chief to arrive
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Guy#1: Are you a professional fire fighter? Guy#2: No. But I did stay at a Holiday Inn Express last night.
Once the firefighters got the water running it didn't take long to begin tamping down the 40-foot tall flames. But, I was amused that the ladder truck on the right, when they got water to the ladder it began to spray water (at 7:40) off to the right and began drowning an Ambulance. Things like that happen I guess... LOL I'm glad the Crane Operator was able to climb down before he was injured up in his elevated crane workplace perch. And it appears that all the other builders got out as well. The filming of this video was generally an excellent shot. Thanks for sharing...
Great filming. didn't move left right up down left right up down just stayed on the main content kept it in focus great job
Where did you see this video from?
@@CheapShot just scrolling down through the videos after I opened up KZhead and one of them was yours. great job again thank you did they find out what caused the fire my guess is someone you was using a torch and a worker caught it on fire by mistake
@@CheapShot Your video also showed up on my "suggested" feed.
@@tomwilliam5118 Thanks. It just did an uptick in views so I was curious. It was posted a lot to fire fighting forums, which is why I didn't sell it to any news sites or anything.
@@AlleyKatt Thanks. It just did an uptick in views so I was curious. It was posted a lot to fire fighting forums, which is why I didn't sell it to any news sites or anything.
Hasn't this fire department ever heard of engine's supporting ariels with a water supply??? This definitely was not Iowa City F. D. finest hour???
It might just be me but firefighting seems like the most inefficient emergency service. Their response time to a fire is great but once they're on-site it takes *forever* to actually get water on flame. I've noticed this in a number of firefighting videos. There has got to be a better way.
If the engines lead with the LDH from the hydrant to the fire bldg.,you could have had 3 deck guns on the fire bldg. in abt 2.5 mins.Streching the LDH a blk down from the tower to a hydrant takes too long.The T L bucket should have 2 moniters-one with a stacked tip,one with a variable tip nozzle.The video was great-no moving of the camara-a very good overall view of the fire scene.Good job.
terry martin @Rob McMaster are you a firefighter saving lives running into burning buildings or do you sit on your couch and tell firefighters how to do there job they know what they’re doing I’m a firefighter myself they knew what they were doing. Answer me so I know you read this message.
Zachary Gotterbarn There is no need to hand lay LDH with 2 pumpers behind the aerial. It’s called a reverse lay. And it places a pumper on the water source. In line pumping of LDH is not a good idea. It took entirely too long to apply water!!!
Steven Phillips Departments may not operate like you want them to but they are the ones saving lives and fighting fires and not sitting on a couch complaining I’m a firefighter myself they knew what they were doing. END OF DISCUSSION.
Zachary Gotterbarn You are speaking to a 41 year career firefighter. I retired from one of the largest departments in the south. I served 21 years as a Battalion Chief. Our department is an ISO Class 1. That is not good fire-ground operation. I don’t really care what you think. It’s fact. Check NFPA 1710 and see what the rule of thumb is for successful initial attack. Waiting five minutes to apply water is not saving lives. You apparently are a very sick person. It has nothing to do with my opinion it is what is considered the fire service best practices which by the way are developed by successful departments. You obviously don’t have a clue about how real fire departments work.
Steven Phillips I’m tired of fighting I don’t don’t want to be mad because I have family over I won’t be commenting on videos you commented on anymore that’s for sure. Good night
Ladder 1 should have laid line from hydrant facing opposite direction connected to engine 1 getting both deck guns up and running, while ladder two should supply engine 2 and 3 while their deck guns would work. Engine 3 should have laid 2 inch to hose gun and suppressed on the farthest part of the building protecting other buildings from embers. Medic 1 should be stationed in the middle on the left part of screen
In NYC we use a water relay to keep the momentum of pressure. A long stretch like that is water losing a lot of pressure every 10 feet. I realize resources are limited and you have to do what you got to do, but that was some water delay. Having said that, it’s not the brothers fault where the fire is bigger than the city. These guys are dealing with a building boom and understaffed.
I'm no expert by any means or even a novice, but that looked like everyone was bumbling around and took 9 years for the water.
Just curious. There were three pumpers without any hose lines deployed parked just to the rear of the first in tower truck . According to Google Earth there was a plug about 100 feet behind those pumpers (at Dubuque Street). Why didn't one of the pumpers catch that plug and lay a supply line into the tower? That would have saved the time consuming task of having to hand jack a supply line from the tower to a plug about a block away.
Amen!!!! I've jacked a lot of 5" in my career,...always easier to let the rig move it.
Are these paid guys?
@@trentphillips9238 paid or volunteer, both are required to go through the same training and be ready for these types of situations. But to answer your question I believe they are paid.
Was wondering that too, figured it would have been easier to move the truck closer or let the engine crews help, but maybe they were doing other things. Probably just wanted the ladders to do most of the water work.
Just terrible.
I am a retired Firefighter and am surprized that the first thing i noticed was that steel crane sticking up that could fail at those temps as the fire grew!
Hey, where are you seeing this video from?
I was thinking about the entire building collapsing with the fire load.
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Coupla observations. You had 3 engines there with tanks full of water. Hit it with the deck gun and keep the fire in check. 1500 gallons minimum can do a lot. Second, you have to attack the fire at its lowest point. Lower that bucket and put the stream in the would be windows and knock that fire before moving up. I get it. It's under construction, and is gonna be torn down, but they could have saved themselves some time with some better tactics.
My dad was in the fire and he was putting the fire out
I noticed that too! When they finally got water to the tower ladder, they were spraying high and to the far side of the structure. Made no sense to me at all.
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For those not familiar with orientation of the fire location, in Iowa City, that is on Burlington Ave, at the College Street intersection. That is at the Hieronymus Square condo development diagonally across the street from the parking ramp to the Old Capital Mall, looking to the southeast. The photographer is on the parking ramp. Lots has changed in IC, but you can see the old Bell (Qwest) Telephone switching building in the background... down the street.
That was some great footage. BTW I also like watching water travel down the supply hose.
Modern construction at its best
I have no experience fighting fires. I was in a house that caught fire once and was gutted but that makes me no expert. I'm just an armchair quarterback like everyone else here. I would think in a situation like this that your first couple priorities would be to rescue anyone who's lives are in danger and to contain the fire so it does not spread to other buildings. It seems this was achieved and from that criteria it seems they succeeded. I'm sure another item of big importance is to get the fire put out as quick as possible to minimize damage to the structure but by the time the fire department is called and can arrive a structure is usually already in trouble. I have no doubt the fire fighters and police and first responders did the best they could with what they had. I would thank them for risking their lives to help others rather than ridicule. Certainly like every large event they will go back and look at what went well and what did not. Even the best of entities always work to get better and that's how they do it. But I'd rather be the armchair quarterback that thanks them for their service and risk they take rather than ridicule them.
WOW!! Almost 6 minutes into the video before water was applied, and they have 3 pump trucks behind the tower ladder truck. But instead run to a hydrant a block away. I'm glad no one was inside burning to death.
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8 minutes and 40 sec. to get water on the fire / WOW
First off, this is ONE ANGLE from a fixed location of a large fire scene. You CANNOT SEE OR KNOW what other things are taking place that the camera does not show!! You were NOT there, you DO NOT have the full picture, you DO NOT hear the radio traffic to get an idea of what else was going on at the time before the towers put water on. Second, if you do a little bit of research, there WAS a lot going on BEFORE the towers flowed water: From another post: " Chris Arch 3 days ago @Rob McMaster within two minutes of receiving the call there were firemen rushing inside the building, applying water, and evacuating construction workers. This was not evident to the roof top cameras nor the Monday morning quarterbacks. There were multiple factors the public were not aware of but the assistant chief has now made known in a Press Citizen interview including the concern for the construction crane and operator, evacuating a daycare that was next door, carrying 5" supply lines nearly 150 yards (hundreds of pounds), weather conditions (It was extremely windy and cold.), and coordinating with the police to keep the public safe and out of the way of the response. I don't know what department you work for, but these men did an incredible job, especially in light of the conditions. Our community is very proud of the efforts of everyone who was involved including ICFD, ICPD, and the Johnson County Ambulance. " For those who can't read, here is the big point right here, again: "within two minutes of receiving the call there were firemen rushing inside the building, *applying water*, and evacuating construction workers." You can't blindly lob in water with a tower or deck gun while firefighters and victims are still inside the structure!! It irritates me that so many non-firefighters (and some who are and should know better) come on these videos on KZhead and make stupid comments without any FACTS to back up what they say.
@@mxslick50 I agree with you that we are getting only one viewpoint and angle. We cannot hear the radio traffic and are not aware of any problems they may be having. That being said, when the camera angles down and shows one firefighter trying to drag a 5" line over to a hydrant and what appears to be at least three engines with personnel from which at least one other firefighter should be able to assist. There is absolutely no evidence that water was being applied within two minutes. I am not a firefighter, but I do have eyes and it looks to me that the management of personnel was seriously lacking. The conditions may have had a bearing on the situation, but not to the point of taking as long as it did to get water on the fire.
@@markenda1 The evidence was here (buried in comments), and if you do a bit of digging on the internet you can find the same info: From another post: " Chris Arch 3 days ago @Rob McMaster within two minutes of receiving the call there were firemen rushing inside the building, applying water, and evacuating construction workers. This was not evident to the roof top cameras nor the Monday morning quarterbacks. There were multiple factors the public were not aware of but the assistant chief has now made known in a Press Citizen interview including the concern for the construction crane and operator, evacuating a daycare that was next door, carrying 5" supply lines nearly 150 yards (hundreds of pounds), weather conditions (It was extremely windy and cold.), and coordinating with the police to keep the public safe and out of the way of the response. I don't know what department you work for, but these men did an incredible job, especially in light of the conditions. Our community is very proud of the efforts of everyone who was involved including ICFD, ICPD, and the Johnson County Ambulance. " Again, the statement "There is absolutely no evidence that water was being applied within two minutes." is just based on this one view. I agree that a LOT of the BS in the comments on this video could have been avoided if the uploader had included that info in the description, or pinned Chris' comment, or maybe linked to the Press Citizen interview. (But then again, the main types of people making those comments are no content, no subscriber trolls who would never read the description or a pinned comment anyway...) You said: "I am not a firefighter, but I do have eyes and it looks to me that the management of personnel was seriously lacking. The conditions may have had a bearing on the situation, but not to the point of taking as long as it did to get water on the fire." Read the above. If crews or victims are INSIDE a burning structure, you CANNOT blast water from OUTSIDE! You will steam broil whoever is in there, and those tower's water jets can easily tear apart the flimsy unfinished construction. A dead or injured firefighter cannot help put the fire out. And until you become a firefighter or at least train, you may have eyes, but not the background or experience to criticize either the time or management efforts. I have been training for the last several months to get the Volunteer Dept. in my tiny town revived...it has been a steep learning curve and I have a long way to go. My first training has been, you guessed it, fire scene command and evaluation. Now this is something I agree with you on 100%: "That being said, when the camera angles down and shows one firefighter trying to drag a 5" line over to a hydrant and what appears to be at least three engines with personnel from which at least one other firefighter should be able to assist." The lack of foresight for "laying in" as it is called, was a big mistake. it could have, and should have, been done by dropping at the hydrant and driving into position, rather than manually. Lacking the radio traffic, the personnel assisting can go either way. But even if the others all had assignments, I agree at least one could have safely diverted long enough to help out with that 5" line. But I wasn't here, and not in command, so.... I appreciate that you are responding intelligently and with respect.
@@mxslick50 I agree but its youtube so u know , all these assholes that watch videos from their couch know better ,lol ,this statement should be on every fire video explaining to the idiots making comments that show they don't know the real deal, what goes on the fire ground is always a complex call, until u walked a mile in there shoes , I suggest u shut the F*** up, ty , oh yeah I been a firefighter for 42 years , both paid and volunteer
@@markenda1let me put it this way as nicely as I can , fighting the fire is never the first priority , RESCUE of all personnel is , so if there searching the building looking for people , u cant spare people just for a hose pull as u see it , and u never put water on a building with big guns till its all clear
Nobody hits a hydrant on the way in? WTF!
If you were paying attention they had to run a long hose and on cold days it's harder to hook up moron
Plus I don't see you in the video helping so zip it
Tagging a hydrant with a truck is always a good idea.
K Duncan it’s a quint, not uncommon for us to lay in with our truck, only downside is that it’s a royal pain to re-pack. Also didn’t help that neither engine, nor truck, appears to have passed at least the hydrant they are using.
That's b.s we lay in on all structure 🔥
It's crazy how I never noticed that. I remember that building being in construction for awhile and am just now finding out that it was on fire two years ago
Same here
Same here
Wow a lot of fire hope there were no injuries, and thank you to all firefighters everywhere for protecting the citizens of your coverage area. Great video work
We had a similar downtown-building under-construction fire in Raleigh (NC) about this time last year or so. Several videos of it on YT.
In Europe fire trucks always have tanks full of water so when they arrive on site, they can pour water immediately. From what I see in US it works in different way...
No doubt it was very windy that day. Fire loves the extra oxygen that high winds bring. Does not help that the building was under construction before the gyprock was slapped on.
I've noticed in most of the videos I've watched about fire fighting, there seems to be no sense of urgency in getting water on the fire
I second that. It also takes too long to arrive at the fire area.
I was thinking the same
im sure your local fire department is accepting new volunteers
I watched Russian Firefighters. Those guys don't mess around. They get to the scene and get right to work.
Same here. If it was my house... What is taking you guys so long to get on the fire!!!!!!
Well well, doesn't matter how good and modern are your tools if nobody's can manage them efficiently.
10 minutes and they STILL do not have the aerial truck getting water.Unbelievable! Have they ever done this before?
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Why there is no fire truck directly with a water tank to start watering the time to connect to the water network ????
Huh?
How long do they need to get water on the hose?
Was Hodges Const. also involved in the Old Capitol construction fire?
This will set Iowa City back another 100 years.
Just speculating, but maybe the 4:00 hydrant wasn't their first choice, and they couldn't access another one due to snow and ice? The one at the foot of the building is almost buried.
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Regardless of the "what if's", all could have been prevented by proper use of external heating devices, use of a dedicated "fire watch" person with appropriate dry chemical extinguisher, etc blah blah blah. No i'm not a "fire fighter" per se but over two decades of OS&H on major construciton sites to include Gov't Aerospace, Fossil fuel Power generation, Nuclear Construction and Power Generation as well as on the Med/Fire response teams kind of gives me a "had proper precautions" been taken none of this would have been a talking point. Many thanks to all Emergency Services folks out there. You do make a difference, especially VFD's
@Bill Williams , conventional wisdom would think that but one must remember "how" insurance companies MAKE money. They make their additional fees by processing claims so it's a fine line between what should be and what is.
When this video first started it was manageable, and there were several pumpers on scene doing nothing. If the trucks had used their deck guns to empty their tanks onto it they might have smothered it, or at least, hugely delayed its expansion before it could grow.
Back when I was a hose jockey and later an engineer, we trained constantly. Watching this video, my observations is this department does not.
How come I have a feeling this fire could have been put out before it got to this point if the people that caused it has bothered to have a couple of fire extinguishers on hand.
Or even just be more careful with their torch, etc...
Glue fires are hard to put out
Construction loan is paid off now...
Especially when the firefighters are doing their impression of the Keystone cops.
@@iamobserving9917 Are you a firefighter? If not, you don't have a clue. Go back to whacking off to anime in mommy's basement.
That went so fast, welcome to the joys of new construction
2 things; if this building was such a firebomb when half built, would it have still been so flammable when complete and occupied? I'm no firefighter, but I wonder if there's a blazing building and people are known to still be inside, would playing a mist of water, rather than a jet, over the front of the building help suppress a fire, rather like a sprinkler system, until all people inside had left?
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How come the 3 engine companies didn’t lay a hose and water relay to the truck company? This will be a training film.
A "How NOT to" training film.
ffjsb - Exactly ! Thx u
Agreed, That was a major mistake in this one.
I don't know, I'm not a fire fighter but it always seems like it takes forever to get these guys water and the rest of the guys are just walking around so confused! Love all your service and bravery for sure! Thanks to the firefighters!!!👍🙏
If they had gotten the water on 5 minutes earlier, there would be minimal damage. Seems there is a lot of room for improvement in fire fighting.
Why this is always SO slow in US ? Here in finland it is like 30sec when the first unit is on scene and it is full of water
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Ive had some Fire training . They taught us to stop at hydrant tie down then truck moves forward to scene ? The dude dragging the 5 inch is a no no oops ? Any ways every scene is different too.
Huge waste of time. Why didn't 1 of the engine companies drop ldh from ladder truck to the hydrant, would of saved 3 to 4 minutes at least.
In the Navy we always had a fire watch with some poor junior sap with nozzle at the ready when any hot work was being done. Yet these construction outfits don't seem to do it, because I see a lot of these under construction fires that seem to be avoidable. These guys must post a bond because I can't see an insurance company wanting to payout due to a lack of safeguards
A hose, an extinguisher? SOMETHING!
Race to the bottom mentality. It's cheaper to buy insurance than to pay someone minimum wage to do a fire watch. The only time I have ever seen a fire watch on a construction project was at refineries.
Hot work on major building sites and construction facilities is permitted in the UK and all staff need a permit following a training induction. The 4 main factors are. No storage of flammables, other than those in direct use in the work area. Ventilation to prevent buildup of solvent fumes. Both flammable and toxic. Extinguishers and Everyone taught how to use them. Hot work ceases 30 minutes (sometimes one hour) before the shift ends and workers leave the area.
My neighbors house caught on fire. When the fire dept showed up it was smoking from the roof. When they put water on it the house had burned so much it had collapsed. We all still talk about how they showed up with millions in equipment but took 10-15 minutes to simply put the wet stuff on the red stuff.
Just imagine that happening when its built and hundreds living in it ....wooden structures are match boxes waiting for an ignition source....
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Very poor performance here. 6 mins on vid, and certainly more before vid. That's 8-10 mins before they got water to aerial. Why didn't they scope the hydrants on run in and approach and/or drop a man/hose. Those minutes could have made a huge difference for the initial external attack and the amount of the structure they can save.
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Fireman 1 " bring us up so we can watch it burn" Fireman 2 Did you bring Popcorn?" Fireman 1 "Do you think we should put some water on now??" Fireman 2 "Oh no, it's much too soon!"
Lol 😂😂😂
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Not knowing all the facts and just observing I can’t imagine even the firefighters thought this was timely delivery of water.
I used to live in Iowa City. The main fire station is only three or four blocks from this fire.
Oh I believe that too and they took the slowest
A large building under construction is a fire hazard. The response was, as usual, underwhelming. They were lucky the place didn't burn to the ground.
I am with the volunteer fire brigade in Germany and have experienced a fire of these dimensions. I don't need that again.
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This is a fantastic video. The guy said just enough to explain what was going on. Pleasant voice, and I appreciate the fact he too noticed it was taking a bit long to get the water going. I did notice the kink in the hose. And I would like to know why the guy standing next to the hose couldn't help out! He instead ran to the side. I don't know a lot about how firefighters work, I am sure they have to wait for the ok before they do anything. Shaking my head.
The second ladder truck is STILL not up or sending water?
I have to say, the cops did a pretty good job trying to prevent idiots from getting in the way. While initial placement of their vehicles wasn't the best, I did see they moved as soon as possible for the firefighters. On the other side, what the hell was the fire commander doing with his truck on the far left?
5 minutes & 43 seconds before any water was put on that fire. I wonder how much of that building could have been saved if they had started hosing it down right away.
They had an interior crew working well before the start of the video doing search and rescue and laying water. (Those crews entered from the far side of the building, not visible in this video.) You CANNOT throw water from outside with an interior crew working, you will seriously injure or kill them and any victims. Once the all-clear was given, the towers fired up. Yes there were some mistakes in this operation clearly visible in this video, but please do some research before jumping to conclusions.
@@mxslick50 Bullshit, there's no interior crew working that fire, there aren't even any lines off the other trucks!
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Do I see 5 inch from a hydrant dierectly to a tower ladder?
Wow! Did you climb up the parking garage after the fire started, or were you already up there? It’s a great view. I only saw it from Voxman, so I never got to see this angle, only the flames out of the top. Yeebers
A good example of why new stickbuild wooden construction should be banned outright.
John Falkenstine. So we should go back to using straw?
Steven Bender. No, what the REST(!) of the world (NOT including your neighbor and own kind, Canada) uses: stone, cement, concrete, brick, stucco...
Kevin Well said.
Kevin A very intelligent answer. Thank you.
Gott ist Geil The US has a lot of earthquake zones and brick-building is pretty much banned in those places.
:33 ......2 engine companies on the scene right behind the tower and neither of them layed a supply line? WTF? Please tell me I missed something there?
You missed a LOT. First off, this is ONE ANGLE from a fixed location of a large fire scene. You CANNOT SEE OR KNOW what other things are taking place that the camera does not show!! You were NOT there, you DO NOT have the full picture, you DO NOT hear the radio traffic to get an idea of what else was going on at the time before the towers put water on. Second, if you do a little bit of research, there WAS a lot going on BEFORE the towers flowed water: From another post: " Chris Arch 3 days ago @Rob McMaster within two minutes of receiving the call there were firemen rushing inside the building, applying water, and evacuating construction workers. This was not evident to the roof top cameras nor the Monday morning quarterbacks. There were multiple factors the public were not aware of but the assistant chief has now made known in a Press Citizen interview including the concern for the construction crane and operator, evacuating a daycare that was next door, carrying 5" supply lines nearly 150 yards (hundreds of pounds), weather conditions (It was extremely windy and cold.), and coordinating with the police to keep the public safe and out of the way of the response. I don't know what department you work for, but these men did an incredible job, especially in light of the conditions. Our community is very proud of the efforts of everyone who was involved including ICFD, ICPD, and the Johnson County Ambulance. " For those who can't read, here is the big point right here, again: "within two minutes of receiving the call there were firemen rushing inside the building, *applying water*, and evacuating construction workers." You can't blindly lob in water with a tower or deck gun while firefighters and victims are still inside the structure!! It irritates me that so many non-firefighters (and some who are and should know better) come on these videos on KZhead and make stupid comments without any FACTS to back up what they say.
The Bman, they couldnt have blindly lobbed water in because they didn’t have any. There is zero excuse for an engine company to not have a water supply. No doubt the smoke column was visable from quite a distance. Every engine should have drop a feed at a hydrant.
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Do fire trucks in the US not have an internal buffer of water? In the Netherlands (and probably other European countries) all fire trucks have an internal buffer enough for like 15 minutes.
Looks like they had tower failure with the rotation?
Today is a sad day for career departments I don't understand why the engine did not take the hydrant. Second switch the stick from rescue to attack mode. If fire and ems is separate in Iowa, these crews need some time off the job for remediation.
vuk 911 are you a firefighter saving lives running into burning buildings or do you sit on your couch and tell firefighters how to do there job they know what they’re doing I’m a firefighter myself they knew what they were doing. Answer me so I know you read this message.
@@zacharyanonymous5170 Hmmm ... you had your hat handed to you under one thread already. If you can't learn from what you watch, good and bad, and imitate the first while hopefully helping to improve everyone's results for the future from the second, then just thank the video poster and firefighters and move on. I'm coming from airport experience, and while the equipment capabilities are significantly different as is the approach, there are too many of these on YT where the size-up and action plan implementation is agonizing to watch. Imagine risk appraisal and actuarial staff at an insurer watching the opening minutes go by here.
@@zacharyanonymous5170 There is many ways to do things. I can sit back and pick off the video all day but I wasn't there so I don't know what exactly went down on the fire ground. This video should be used for training and fixing the mistakes that were made. The hydrant should have been taken a lot sooner if the call came in as a working fire. Spraying from rescue mode instead of the attack mode we can both agree that was screwed up. And yes I have been blasted by the Ariel due to $hitty engineers not knowing were to point the nozzle.
@@vuk9118 I agree with most of what you said. But were you aware of this when commenting? From another post: " Chris Arch 3 days ago @Rob McMaster within two minutes of receiving the call there were firemen rushing inside the building, applying water, and evacuating construction workers. This was not evident to the roof top cameras nor the Monday morning quarterbacks. There were multiple factors the public were not aware of but the assistant chief has now made known in a Press Citizen interview including the concern for the construction crane and operator, evacuating a daycare that was next door, carrying 5" supply lines nearly 150 yards (hundreds of pounds), weather conditions (It was extremely windy and cold.), and coordinating with the police to keep the public safe and out of the way of the response. I don't know what department you work for, but these men did an incredible job, especially in light of the conditions. Our community is very proud of the efforts of everyone who was involved including ICFD, ICPD, and the Johnson County Ambulance. "
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Send these boys back to training 🙈
That was a nice stop these light weight buildings are like match books and go up like a bon fire
i just don't understand they have all the greatest equipment, yet it takes so long for them to get water on the fire, could someone please explain to me
Nice video! But I give up what was the THREE ENGNES COMPANY'S DOING ? No hose on the ground or water flowing most engines carry 4 to 5 hundred gallons of water. Small city didn't anyone know a head where plugs where ? But they knock it down fast . Good job ! Doug in Dallas TX.
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May as well let it burn out now.
Just curious why did they hit the hydrant all the way down the street and the ladder truck on the corner hit that one and they Aerial wasn’t up yet. I am thinking the first truck in should have took that hydrant because their aerial was up and waiting for water.
Anyone know where the water faucet is???
It took too long from the time the quint set up to get a stream going. I hope they had an extensive review of the several things done wrong.
Watch the 2nd ladder truck. Too many times, fire crews forget to switch the nozzle position prior to extending the ladder. I've done it myself, and its embarrassing when you have to shut it down, retract the ladder, change the position of the nozzle, & start over.
They were just giving the medic unit a carwash. Very thoughtful of them.
would they have to demolish this site or could they still keep building after some salvaging?
They're continuing to build
By the time they get water on the fire the place burns down to the ground how slow can it get
If this is how quickly a timber framed building burns whilst under construction it makes you wonder how quickly a completed ( and occupied) building would burn. Must ask why it took almost six minutes from arrival to get some water on it. It was lost then !
In theory, it would have a sprinkler system by the time it was completed and occupied, so a fire like this wouldn't happen. But there are other videos like this - only much, much worse - of similar-sized wooden buildings burning completely while they were under construction.
Why didn’t they lay hydrants on the way in ?
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What in the blue hell took so long to get water going,i know it's not your fault but theirs omg that took forever. I seen a lot of these by far they was the slowest. Great camera work 👍👌👍
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I'm not a fire fighter and thank goodness for All of you but why do take so long to get the wet stuff on the red stuff
7:44 Nice and shiny ambulance.
Ladder on D C corner set up for rescue mode. Should think about that before starting aerial water ops.
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how long to hook up the hose
I understand the protocol but always wonder why a tanker or pumper truck isn't the first one on the scene with water or foam until the main force get's there.
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Gotta love how FD takes their sweet ass time putting water on it.
It is amazing! Smoke and flames showing, two platform trucks, three visible engine comptants, couple of men in yellow bunkers, and they forgot how to hit a hydrant. For those who do not know about hydrants they are painted different colors, you find them about 50 feet apart, and they are used as a supply of water. Sarcasm a service provided for all.
Are you a firefighter? Where you at the scene? Do you know what was going on at the start of this video on the sides you can't see from the ONE viewpoint? Since you are a no original content troll, I doubt you can answer any of that. Keep your worthless commentary to yourself.
Gas seems to be making the fire worse. Is that gas from the mains supply, or hot gases from the polythene?
The investigation found that the fire started in a third-floor room on the north side of the building. Fire Marshal Brian Greer says the room had a temporary 10′ by 10′ tent structure used as a warming area for combustible subfloor adhesives. The tent housed several cases of the adhesives and a liquid propane-fueled radiant heater. The heater was fueled by a liquid propane tank outside the tent. The heater came in contact with the combustibles in the tent and started a fire. Flames grew and the liquid propane tank started to vent, providing more fuel until it exploded. Strong winds then carried through the structure rapidly. It is estimated that the initial loss is $1,000,000. The investigation is ongoing at this time.
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