$1 part takes out an engine. Foreign Debris destroys detroit diesel 6v92TA blower
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I had no reason to try and run the engine after the sound was described to me. Time to just tear into the detroit diesel 6v92TA and find out what happened. This was drove in to the shop by the way.
A simple piece of FOD caused such damage. How did a hose clamp get into a blower is the real question?
I maintained several bus repair facilities during my career. We discovered that brake clean alcohol spray creates a serious explosion risk when it gets into solvent washstands. We had to institute a campaign to train all the mechanics to allow the brake clean alcohol to hit the floor and evaporate. Then you just mop up the small amounts of oil that remain on the floor. When the alcohol spray mixes with the mineral spirit based wash fluid, the flash point of the fluid drops to dangerously low temperatures. One of our mechanics was significantly injured when the fluid exploded in his face.
Quote from wikipedia: Acetone: At temperatures greater than acetone's flash point of −20 °C (−4 °F), air mixtures of between 2.5% and 12.8% acetone, by volume, may explode or cause a flash fire. It auto-ignites at 465 °C (869 °F).[19] Auto-ignition temperature depends upon experimental conditions, such as exposure time, and thus can be quoted as high as 535 °C.[81] The flame temperature of pure acetone is 1980 °C.
That’s good information. I’ve been spraying parts off with brake cleaner for years into a solvent tank for decades and never gave it much of a thought.
this should prolly be pinned
Scott, it's not carnage it's busnage! The blower merely took it's name to heart and blew!
oh snap....lol!
...lol.
My Dad was a Detroit Diesel Mechanic back in the 70s he would sure liked your channel if he were still with us
My father's last job was at Detroit diesel he's past many years ago
I'm glad to see that you used a more economical way of cleaning that oil cooler! Instead of Brake Cleaner.
Shoutout to The Bus Grease Monkeys and to the owner of this engine for fixing this Classic engine and getting it back on the road in a classic bus. I’m loving it.
Most expensive worm clamp I’ve ever seen…
My uncle Derek would have loved your channel. I think of him every time while watching your videos. Uncle Derek ran a bus company man and boy, he worked under those buses in the pit, rain or shine, summer or winter his whole life. He's passed on now to the great bus terminal in the skies. I know he will be in good company up there with all the other bus driving mechanics, swapping secrets of invented tools and talking about long journeys on open roads. rip Derek .
Love your channel and how you care for these big vehicles and their power plants and their various support components. I wish I could have had a mentor like you. I notice you look happy and sound happy. I don't know what your secret is but I wish I could go about my day being half as happy as you are. Anyways, I've learned a lot from many of your videos and I do appreciate how you us never-seize whenever you can on fasteners. I think I am the only one at the dealership who uses it on customers' cars.
That supercharger sure was a total mess 😮😮…thanks for sharing 👏🏻👏🏻
Thank goodness for the intercooler. Without that catching the debris the whole engine would have been trash!
Scott, I meant to comment about the snow removal effort on the new 40X40 shelter. It looks as if Johnathan was using z 12' extendable painting stick. My suggestion is to use toilet plunger heads rather than rag tied over the end. Both the round and cup types have acme (square) threads as do the painting sticcks.
As a suggestion. When you next need to order any engine degreaser. Try. TFR. Traffic film remover. Used in the vehicle trade as a general car body detergent. But if you double the strength ratio of the cleaner in a spray bottle. It should work good. Worth a try on cost.
You didn’t make the little tractor scream but you sure made it moan. Steve
The big question is how did a hose clamp get in-between the blower and turbo?
One thing for certain, it didn't go through the turbo. No way, no how.
You've heard about surgeons leaving clamps in patients during procedures. There you go....
The same goober that used all the permatex?
Bearing race for the destroyed bearing ?
Been watching for awhile and still can't get over how big some of those engines are. They could be used as power plants for an entire mill or machine shop at the start of the industrial revolution. They look like a Fairbanks-Morse PowerPoint. Great content.
They sure could! But i can't help but think that in the 1850s, people would've outright refused to trust such a screaming, 2000rpm'ing thing, instead going for the trusty thump-woosh of an old steam engine purely out of gut feel. I reckon they'd run away the second it ramps up to full power. Not knowing that those detroit diesels will last them for decades while screaming along.
That engines in good hands 🙌
Beautiful welding and a very nice piece of equipment.
This is such a great and interesting channel to watch.
Wow Scott and crew this will be one of the out of frame rebuild documentation that's freaking awesome. This is rare .please document any machine shop work. Tia my bad if you're not yanking the block
That Vice looks Great after the cleaning also !!!
Had a blower grenade on a brand new 16V-92 TA one time. Only about 2 hours on that engine. Both rotors and gears completely trashed. Warranty covered it all.
Hooly crap that is one hell of a expensive mess. Major crunch!😢😢😢😢
The M-113 had a six cylinder V6:Detroit Diesel that was a durable lil beast. Especially in the infantry units.
Holy moly busman.. thats a lot of schrapnel in there.. lol. Great vid.. ✌️❤️😁
I can not foretell the future, but I see a forklift in your future!
I see a telehandler
That blower reminds me of the old saying about "throwing a wrench into the machinery." What a mess!
I be never seen one of those motors out of a bus. Gigantic!!😮
A little bit of JBWeld on it and it will be fine
Checking out that front tire squish when moving that engine! Looks like you were getting pretty close to the max load rating on those meats, m8. Glad it all worked out. 😊
I was watching to see if the tire would come off the bead when he turned while standing still.
zowie howie, that is a lot of metal, the last time I saw that much meta in a housing it was a diff, a very broken diff.
Yeah wow, this is a good one! Those blowers are pretty interesting. If you had a wall of shame for big parts it would be good to leave that thing as it is (seal in the leaks) and put it on the wall on a lazy susan so you can hear the parts inside.
Brave little tractor! 👍😁
Does the helper have a clothing allowance in his compensation? 😂
Adam @ Rare Classic Cars and Automotive History gave you guys a nice shout-out !
Ah....so that's the intercooler on those detroit engines....VERY cool!
Wow…I knew engines were large but didn’t realize how large. Using the tractor for scale you really see the size of it.
Compared to a car engine, yes. But as industrial diesel engines, they aren’t that big. I’ve worked on 16 cylinder generator and locomotive engines, that are almost as big as a whole bus.
Welding steel to aluminum?
Dry ice blasting is an amazing cleaning process. Your most economical option is to find someone who cleans restaurant vent hoods and have them come to you. Or you could rent a machine but you also need a towable compressor because they consume massive amounts of air.
Still have to manage the petroleum products taken off the blasted parts though and that is no simple task !
That bus needed some serious help. At least you guys are the ones taking care of it.
I guess I lose it when I see work that is clearly amateurish when either someone should NOT be working on a bus or a professional who is CRAVEN in their crooked negligence. I'm always happy Scott and crew make it right.
Poor old bus!
keep the clips coming
Well at least there’s no milkshake. 🤷♂️
center the motor as close to the tractor as possible not at the end of the forks. You will be able to pick up a lot more weight
Agree in principle; That would require an additional cradle made for the job though. Notice that there was a chain right at the bend of the forks.
Them front tires though. yeesh.
Yeah it looks like a 24"ish CG in front of the fork frame, which is already a mile in front of the front axle. If he can route the chains so as to use the fork frame as the pick point and the CG of the engine weight was under it, that would doubleish the lift capacity.
@@BassheadGTP The weight on the front tires is quite a bit more than you would think. As it is the fulcrum point, the weight is the combination of the engine weight, and the weight from the rear of the tractor necessary to counterbalance that engine weight. As weight is added to the forks, weight will come off the rear axle and move onto the front. Guesstimating, but a 5000lb engine+trans 6ft forward of the front axle would put 30,000 ft-lbs load on axle. If it was moved back to 4ft, it would be 20,000ft-lbs.
That Detroit was suspended on four chains and one set was all the way back on the forks and the others were at the end as you saw. I don't think the center of mass could've been moved back any further. Fortunately, BGM got moved into the shop successfully.
That was driven there😮😬😳
Only part of the hose clamp is in the blower, so where's the rest of it gone? (Hopefully it did a clean escape and didn't damage anything else during its break for freedom)
I think that blower would even be rejected as a boat anchor. 🚢
What bus did that engine come out of? A+ effort on Jonathon! - Mr. Right Hand man!!!
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That blower really grenaded itself. Yes where did that hose clamp come from. Inquiring minds want to know LOL.
It always makes me sad to see the results of some previous hack mechanics work. Amazing how far this bus engine actually got before grenading.
You could weld hooks for chains on the fork carriage as close to the pivot pins as possible. Less leverage on the forks, tractor can lift that engine and trans in the future.
Purpose or accident, must have been a heck of a racket.
Take a look at bolt-on wheel weights for the rear tractor wheels. Not only are secure (at slow speeds) but also help with balance since it moves some of the rear weight outwards.
wow thats toast, at least no rusted bolts like the other v92 well oiled !
Scott They make some inexpensive ultrasonic cleaners that would handle the cooler.
I would send after coolers/ inner coolers out to the local radiator repair shop they would hot tank and pressure test them. They will develop pinholes and then flood an engine with coolant.
So much carnage from ingesting a hose clamp.
I don't think it ingested the hose clamp. There's no way it could have got past the turbo so it had to have been assembled with the hose clamp between the turbo and the blower.
That thumbnail 👌
a engine coating company called line to line, dose a coating mostly on race engine pistons ,would it work on blower lobes and blower housings ?
I've always wondered if those tiny aftercoolers do much.
I had not seen the intercooler unit out of a 92 series before.
*aftercooler, and there's not much to see. I doubt they lower the temp much.
You find any quarters in there
HI SCOTT QUESTION WHO IS THE YOUNG MAN WORKING WITH YOU?
I hope that wasn't some of the recall jack stands from Harbor Freight...
Watching the junk piled on the box blade and lifting that engine at first looked like a, "Hey, y'all. Hold ma beer an watch dis!".
Hey it’s not junk it’s scrap metal used parts ;) and with out it the back wheels would be up in the air
Has the Tyler absence been addressed yet? Love your vids Scott but it worries me.
Isn’t that a series 71 water pump? I thought all 92 series used O-ring covers.
What a mess the outside but especially the inside 😮😮
Goodbye blower, that really sucks.
Its a nightmare cleaning parts on old engines
When you aren't under big time-pressure and have the right gear (brushes, solvents, rags, etc) I find it quite zen-like, very satisfying and rewarding when a good job is done. And everyone knows a motor runs better after getting some cleanup love on the outside...😂
The jack may hold the weight but will the checkerplate and wheels?
Gas thermocouple magnet?
ouch!
If the clip end had been sucked in it would be embedded in the aluminium rotor or have past through as the engine had been running like this, it looks like the bearing has failed first, how the clip end has got in there I dont know unless someone else has had the turbo off.
7:04 please weld angle iron to the dollies to make a square frame 🙏
Dose blower have to be gage for clearance maybe add shims?
Shows how close the tolerances are between the lobes that it would break parts when something shows up to the party uninvited.
With all damage how did it drive in
Put some air in them front tractor tires, dont want to split the sidewalls. Having the inflow cooler out i would have just sunk it in the parts washer overnight, pressure washed the outside and flush the inside out. Inspect the inside of the cylinders with bore scope i have a feeling something had to make it through.
The tires are filled to their max recommended psi
Just a wee bit crunchy!!!
With that much carnage through the blower I would have scoped the cylinders Just in case
You guys need to get a soda blaster for cleaning. Safe for the environment.
We have one it makes a huge mess and all the oil still ends up somewhere
Surprised the jack stand didn't lift up on one side with the weld.
ikr? If I did that with my luck it would be a pretzel at the end 😅
Do you think that 30 minutes in an ultrasonic cleaner would have worked great on that intercooler?
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So team when are we going shopping for a forklift truck, heavens knows you could do with one.
Just bump the hydraulic pressure up a little bit on the tractor and it will lift it no problem, it should have a pretty big safety margin and if anything breaks that what a warranty is for.
Hope the rest of the engine hasn't sufferred from the metal that will have come out of the blower.
Oh my God would you look at all of those part numbers inside of that blower
What happened to the big guy with the Dodge?
I think he went back to Indianapolis for a career change.
@@marinablueGS Maybe he was tired of all of the back breaking work, as is involved with heavy machinery. To be honest he always looked to have a frown, or like me, may have the unfortunate affliction of "RBF."
How the heck did that happen, any ideas ?
Hey didn't you power wash the grease off before you took it inside.
And where does all that dirt and grease go when you wash it off?
Hope you didn’t do my mistake of forgetting to oil the vice after using to hold something I washed. Hehe. It went almost solid over night. WD-40 to the rescue
Its officially blown
Could have got a few more inches height with some air pressure in the tires
A Hotsy water water preasure washer would make short work of grease.
Like he said, all that grease goes somewhere. I suppose he doesn't want to turn Bus Grease Mountain into a super fund site.
How much can weight can Jonathan bicep curl? He popped that blower off the engine like it candyfloss 😂💪
I don’t think I could bring myself to trust that aftercooler.
Just a question... why work on something so dirty?? The shop I worked I washed everything b4 we touched it. Much nicer for 20 to 30 minutes work. Paul
Your shop either polluted the shit out of the environment or they had a very expensive oil trap recovery system installed. I don’t have that and don’t want all that grease and oil on my property
a little air in them tires might just help a bit lol
They are set to max psi. That engine is very heavy
I see the failed hose clamp screw at 14:49
There was one laying there but we find those often. It looked old and crispy like it had been there a long while.