Huge India-China power gap impacts ties & why Tibet is heart of the matter: Bajpai & Mahbubani
#IndiaChina #LadakhFaceoff #ThePrintDebate
In this episode of #ThePrintDebates, ThePrint’s Senior Consulting Editor Jyoti Malhotra speaks to Prof Kanti Bajpai of the Lew Kuan Yew School of Public Policy at the National University of Singapore on his book, ‘India Versus China,’ published by Juggernaut Books & Prof Kishore Mahbubani, Distinguished Fellow & China scholar at the Asia Research Institute, National University of Singapore
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Kishors talks like a paid agent of China. He never criticizes China.
@@vasukinagabhushan Given His Experiences And Exposure At UN He Knows President Djeng Before The. Indians Know Who Djeng Is.
India has no intelligent policy. They behave like a child throwing tantrum. Setting up a dedicated channel WION to smear China, speaking in a racist language. The world says covid 19 , but they still say Wuhan virus. China does not pay attention to India.
audio hope can be improve . sound very far and mufffle
@@vasukinagabhushan "paid" ?????? hahahahahaha......... you want to get "paid" also to improve your living standard in india ????? hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaa
Kishor is so patient. I can’t have a conversation with those who are still children in their minds while their real ages maybe 70 years old.
Big baby
Old babies to be precised.
@@andrewlim7751 To be very precise, *_senile babies_*_ !_
He is Sindhi who are known for their good "business Acumen" sincere and reliable ( ability to judge well)
Only those who have sided US with a view to get some leverage from them are babies.
This lady is expressing her biased opinions instead of conducting a discussion.
The most disgusting host ever.
Yes, I fully agree with you.
@Rick Chung You are the bloody cheapskate pathological liar
She should've given kishore a chance to respond to the last point made by the other guy.
Someone ought to ask that lady about *The Statue of Unity in Gujarat* ---- Someone ought to ask her where that tallest statue in the world, and *The Pride of India* is made. In India, or in China ?
The Chinese state medias did not polluted their own citizen to hate India or Indians. However, there is vast different in India. Many state media and private media are corrupted and received huge sum of funding from 5 eyes if they criticize and demonize China. That's a big differences.
totally agreed, I have not seen or heard any hatred news from the chinese government or even among chinese people to spread words of hatred but everytime when I enter youtube I see these endless India media expressing all these hatred and blame on the china.
Wrong self serving assumption from get go... Very first reaction by Chinese media was there was 1. Silence and denial 2. When death of Indian soldiers started coming in reports, there was arrogant chest thumping about how PLA soldiers killed Indians without any loss. 3. When this narrative started to underline the fact that aggressors and attackers were PLA and defenders were Indians, quickly tried to change stance that PLA had casualties but it is not being disclosed to curb anger of Chinese population. Flip-flops were on Chinese narrative, whereas India's narrative remained same through out. 20 soldiers were killed under pre-planned attack to take revenge of Dhoklam stad-off (and as one conspiracy theory goes - to match PLA Chairman Xi's birthday).
@@swash5 Chinese government never said no Chinese solders died during the conflict. They were silent about that until later. You can't just fabricate info to suit your arguments.
@@diyerwoo2899 Please do check time-line and news on CGTN everyday post clash. Not even imposing to do check on Global Times..
@@swash5 can you post your source china officially said there were no Chinese solders died? The burden of proofe is on you because you made that statement.
In China, almost no one talks about competing with India, but the opposite often happens in India where media and talk shows are full of beating China in every field. What is the problem?
@Real Napster : Actually what you said could be easily applied to India. India is too arrogant to admit that India needs to make changes and catch up.
India is its own worse enemy. The moderator and Prof Bajpal exactly the problem Prof Mahbubani is highlighting. Inability to adopt the helicopter view, bog down by Polemics and minute, small minded, unable to tear away from little issues. China has worked out issues as Prof Mahbubani has mentioned with far more acrimonious 'enemies' and settled its land border issues with 13 of its 14 neighbors... That it is unable to work out its land border with India more reflects the psychosis of India in carrying a chip on its shoulder when viewing itself against the greater success of China. This is the problem. India has got to get over its ego. Instead of seeing the positives that can come with a better relationship with China, it tries to be too clever and attempts to play a game joining the Quad. And neither of these two seem to grasp the wisdom of Prof Mahbubani. Yet again, India will prefer to pretend they are the injured party and believe it is clever enough to ride the tiger with the US and get a better deal out of China. Trying to be too clever is its down fall. The answers to the border problem are there for India to grasp. Instead it invents imaginary problems like Tibet which has nothing to do with India. Absurd and obtuse thinking. And they then wonder why China does not give them the respect they crave. LOL. All due respect to India, I hope some wiser heads are on the helm.
Pretty right remarks. After all, kishore as an Indian grew up in a Chinese society, and he know too well about the Chinese and the Indian mentality. Listen to his wisdom.
There are everyday headlines about China threatening India, Japan, Malaysia, Thailand, Taiwan etc. over territorial issues!!!
@@babureddy6478 and who stands to gain from hate mongering in India? One clue: it ain’t Indians. I hope India learns from history. I hope India can one day rise up and reclaim her former glory. Indian civilisation predates the global north. India needs to stop “being played” as yet another pawn.
Very well worded, djinn Man. All critical and unbiased thinkers would agree with you.
@@titot2370 it’s almost as if BABU never listen the interview ? Precisely Kishore assessment focus on the big strategic plays versus tactical non sense.
The “moderator” is in reality an instigator, inciting anti-China emotions among some Indian citizens.
She's merely reflecting common view of Indian people. Go look up Pew report on India's perception of China. You're too ignorant.
She is already consider as moderate If you watch Wion then you will know
Kishore mentioned he wants Indians to bide their time, the lady twisted it as ignoring Chinese actions. I think Kishore means the Indian government should rationally access the situation and discuss with China on their differences, not whipping up nationalist fervor and jeopardizing the national interests in favor of their own political ambitions.
Hey, that is her job. Her job as a white person is to make sure the hate is there between the two biggest nation in the world. Can you imagine what will happen if China and India work together? Where will that leave the rest?🤣
The interviewer is as subtle as a slege hammer, when it comes to impartiality.
Judging by the comments, Kishore is right Indians are emotional. Indians are obsessed with China. But the feelings are not mutual. And a classic case is the lady moderator. Her border obsession is getting old. Modi stated China did not cross the border. Get over it!
See how the host nods when kanti speaks and how she roll her eyes and shakes her head when kishore speaks.. her choice was obvious..
If you compare the intellectual level between an oversea Indian from a tiny nation of Singapore to an Indian from a nation of 1.4b Indians, you can see why India is such a pariah nation.
Bastard you are the pariah from Singapore.
If you view "Gravitas", it's much worse,the kind of emotional,shallow n unthinking people
@@shobaramankutty7003. 'I always cheer up immensely if an attack is particularly wounding because I think, well, if they attack one personally, it means they have not a single political argument left.' - Margaret Thatcher
@@shobaramankutty7003 . How sure are you that the Asian is from Singapore. Exactly how an Indian thinks. No proof or evidence. Says whatever comes to mind
Intellectual level of US is well proven war of afganistan, Vietnam war where they bombed village of women n children, Hiroshima Nagasaki all of this r witness of intellectual level of US individuals.
The Indian professor talked about respect, respect is earned. China went through the century of humiliation. What did China ? She quietly worked hard, relentlessly to improve her people to be what she is today. Yet the West doesn't respect her. Does she complained nonstop of being looked down ?
@@pravinmeher2036 All great power are bullies, you are claiming that people don't respect great powers? you are claiming that people didn't respect the roman, Mongol, British and American empire ? what kinda opinion is this your making
@curiousK that is becaucse you and the West blame China for the pandemic, the true cuplit could be the USA, wait and see
@curiousK just because they did an excellent job in containing the Covid while your country didn't doesn't make them a bully.. DON'T BLAME OTHERS for your own government's INCOMPETENCE.
@curiousK NO SANE psychologically stable people will kick people deliberately UNLESS they are looking for a fight. Just like Modi claimed the border conflict DIDN'T happen in Indian soil and the merging of Delta and Delta plus (India) variant WAS ALWAYS SOMEONE Else's FAULT. Btw I watch WION, they keep implanting that TWISTED mindset into their own people.
@curiousK who in their right mind will kick people deliberately? Play the infamous "weapons of mass destruction" again? No respect will be given to Blamers, sissies, snowflakes and cry babies. The way Modi kisses Trump's ass made me and my Indian friends cringed.
I love this man (Mahbubani). His mind is brilliant.
Both are sharp as a diamond and wise old owls
There is a huge intellectual gap between Kishore and the other two.
China is busy improving and advancing themselves, they are not interested in comparing with others. The problem is others felt threatened by this
Improving and advancing by destroying other countries..see what Chinese government has done to my country..Srilanka !!
ha ha ha ha! If exploiting poor countries by immersing them in a debt trap and grab their land, ports, and properties is "improving" then yes you are definitely improving. But your leadership tends to forget that this is 21st century, the only tactics to subjugate poorer countries through exploitation will not succeed. The rest of the civilized world unite to teach you uncouth brutes a perfect lesson and eventually either you will reform yourself or will be back to your 19th century opium days.
@@sriniwaasramachandra6173 So your country is distroying by China?
@Ellen Fang Hey Robot! Breaking news for you, all the rise that China has seen has only been because of the USA and western countries. So keep your stupid advice to yourself Robot. If these countries had not invested heavily in China, you would have been still enjoying your "glorious" opium days. Do not worry, with your overconfident and stupid Joker Jinping at the helm, within next 10 years, you will be back to your happy opium days.
@Ellen Fang You are seeing me everywhere thats because you are doing the job you are hired for, monitoring posts and all. But I wonder if robots like you are paid by the communist party or not?
This Indian professor is a very good example of representing the mindset of whole Indian population, as Professor Kishore points out, Indians are very emotional, Kishore is actually being nice to Indians, what he truly means is that Indians are very shallow, acting impulsively. This Indian professor may speak very good English, but he had never grasped the concept of geopolitics. Geopolitics is all about setting a goal, developing strategies, laying out roadmaps, forming partnerships, it's all about gaining something and achieving your goals, that's what Prof Kishore is emphasing, but does India have real goals? NO. All this Indian Professor talks about are perceptions, respect and disputes...very shallow and emotional. What do Indians want from India-China relationship? To humilate and embrass China, to counter China's rise, or to support separating Tibet from China? Indians successfully achieved the first goal, but for the latter 2, Indian will never achieve them. Prof Kishore clearly pointed out which is true: Indians are again making strategic mistakes today by siding with USA to counter China. I can rest assure now, 21st century belongs to China only, no India. Why? I think you know.
Watching too much South Indian movies may be the cause why indians are emotional.
If you think 21 st century belongs to China only, good luck to you. Let China alone Lord over 21st Century. India is contended with what it has and will achieve what it wants regardless of China. In actuality it's the Chinese CCP which is the root cause of problems everywhere. It's Chinese attitude towards India which is why Chinese get treated the way they are treated now. Historically since 1947 it was India which reached out with good intentions to China but the Chinese leadership since then have blundered in their approach to India. Now you'll have a formidable issue with India for the near foreseeable future and you can't ignore it. Deal with it with more arrogance and try to bully it and be ready to pay the price. For CCP & China it is always going to be a lose lose proposition.
@RM Except India non of those 13 countries have any chance against China. The rest of the 12 countries are so tiny that some don't even have an army so, I don't even count them.
@Zen Perri: I couldn't have written it any better. I do know something rather provocative, it is the oversized ego most Indians have. That makes it doubly hard to find enough level headed & even tempered Indian diplomats to sit across the table facing members of the Chinese foreign service, who in contrast, are largely a calm & calculative lot.
Yes, agree with you !
Jyoti is unbelievable & she is a consulting editor? Dear Lord! God help India!
why do you find her incapable?
@@zeus-io3hn She has that little- minded of Indian emotions which loosing her upper level of professionalism. A fine line she has to learn 🤠
China and Chinese never look down on indian. It’s only the Western media that creates this notion.
I'm overseas Chinese, they actually look down on indians, it's a fact! 😁
@Real Napster The nickname of indians in s.e. Asia is "keling", that was from British colonial days when the Indians were brought in as slaves where the british chaining them up to prevent them from running away, and when they walk generating "keling keling keling" sound.
@Real Napster And indians are proud of it! 😘😘😘
@Real Napster The Chinese felt disgraceful of being forced to RENT out a few ports to the world powers. The Indians feel proud even till date of being a colonial state of the British. Enough said, what do you think the chinese opinions on you? 🥱🥱🥱
@@andrewlim7751 are you on CIA payroll or NED - National endowment for Democracy? Are they still hiring?
Indians under British rule were stationed in China as policemen. While Chinese historically have never put boots on the ground in India.
Historically, the British had used the Indians as laborers, security, and military personnel. Many Indians were sent to HongKong, Burma, Singapore, Malaysia and China as policemen and soldiers fighting on behalf of their British mssters. This created a sense of superiority, chutzpah and arrogance over their own Asian brothers and sisters. Though not as blatant as the Japanese imperialists, generations of the Indian elite, educated and raised in the shadow of the British Empure, transformed themselves into their former masters and acted aggressively against their neighbors. When faced with pushback, they failed to comprehend this important part of India’s past. It is a pity that while in the grasp of the claws of the Eagle, it is not free to benefit itself from the growth and development in the rest of Asia.
@@happygp698 Every Empire does that. Indian superiority feelings has nothing to do with British Raj but Indian ancient history.
@@johnbuffaloiam9741 Time will judge
Slave soldiers of British to be precised. 😁
India conquered china for 20 centuries culturally. You don't know history either
Kishore is talking to the wall. Indian culture is too emotional, too instinctive, too egoistic and too prideful. Just look at the comment section and we can see how the Indians refuse to even think through what Kishore is saying. Despite saying numerous times that in geopolitics, decision makers have to be cold, calculative and cunning, just look at the reaction from the other Professor when Kishore is saying that India may choose the wrong side again. Kishore is not saying China is going to win. Kishore is simply saying, "there is this big rivalry going on between these two powers and it's still hard to know who will win. Why not we leverage this situation to reap immense benefits from both sides and if either side wins, it would not affect me at all" but the other Professor immediately takes it that Kishore is saying China will win.
I'd like to respond to your comment by saying that before, during and after the cold war, India did choose a side. Was it beneficial to India? It's debatable. But if you closely notice what India is doing now, diplomatically India is not looking to take a particular side, but rather finding what's beneficial for it and shaking hands with everyone who extends a hand. For eg., India joined Quad and is also a member of BRICS. India rejected RCEP, but still plays influential part in the ASEAN partnership. India is in good terms with the US and Russia. Same can be said about India's partnership with Japan, South Korea and the EU. India even hosted Xi Jinping before it all turned sore. Gone are the days when India would react emotionally. India is far more reassured in its tone, self-confident in its actions and calculated in its strategy. China is licking its wounds because of their miscalculation not India.
@@reach2prasanna The main geopolitical contest today is that between China and the US and every action that India has taken has been to signal to China that it is against it. India is taking part in every anti-China initiative started by the US. Is that being smart? That is the question that Kishore is trying to put in your minds. You are not even talking about the correct topic!
@@sleepyhead6468 fully with you on we Indians being too emotional and unpragmatic ... China vs India is a false question to begin with. In fact it is China that is giving us more geopolitical importance than we deserve ... But, excuse me, hearing your ex-diplomat's bizarre arguments again and again makes me emotional :-)... (In other videos) he so happily equates Capitol hill riots with Hong Kong riots, and here look at his argument referring Japan...Jesus Christ... and he says he doesn't know what was behind recent border conflict.! Btw, can you please do us shallow Indians a favour by enlightening why we came to this point of making all these anti-China moves?
@Vinamra Singhai You're getting emotional again. If you look objectively at the situation, both sides have their own view on the matter. If you think emotionally, you will only see that "China is threatening India with war". But if you look at the matter objectively, you will find that China has almost no major military assets situated in the Western regions but have concentrated everything in its Eastern coastal areas as that is where the US is parking their aircraft carriers and conducting war games right in China's backyard in the South China Sea. On the other hand, China is demilitarising its border with India. Even today, both sides have agreed to not arm the border patrols with guns because China also knows that India is not its true enemy. However, India joining the Quad, India banning Chinese firms such as Huawei and TikTok and a few others, Indian media going ham on China, senior Indian politicians and military generals publicly voicing their anti-China sentiments, all these are signaling to China that India has chosen its side. In fact, these actions are basically knee-jerk overreactions to the border incident. Just look at how other countries have managed to deal with China such as Vietnam, Philippines, South Korea. They have numerous skirmishes too but they still managed to work well with China. Geopolitics is not about emotional knee jerk reactions. This is what Kishore is trying to get at but you guys are too emotional to understand it.
@@9thcrow When Kishore is saying that he doesn't have all the facts of the border conflict, he is being smart and truthful. Both sides are claiming their own version of events. Who is to say who is right? China views the line of control to be different to India's view. Of course Kishore is not going to say who is right or wrong here when everything is still up for debate. That is the problem. You expect him to say China is wrong and you are right. But if you are an objective third party, you will see that it's almost impossible to say who is right or wrong. That is what he meant by taking the helicopter view of matters. Don't look at matters only in your perspectives. Look at it as though you are uninvolved and not one of the parties in this argument then you can make wiser and more rational decisions. As for how the border disputes even came to be, you can thank the British for that. The territories now disputed used to be under the Qing empire. The British colonised India and invaded these territories, taking it away from China. When they left, India became a unified nation and retains its claim over these territories. China naturally would say that these territories being stolen from them by imperialists, should belong to them instead. That's the source of the border dispute.
China mentality is "we are strong when the world also perceive us as strong', whereas India mentality is "we are strong if we think we are strong"
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@@anshuraj4277 yeah, everything that is against your will is CCP bot.
@@SW-fy8pq Hey...CCP Bosses are afraid of free thought hence KZhead is banned in that genocidal country
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There's a Chinese saying that we learn in school 你敬我一尺，我敬你一丈。 You give me a foot of respect, I will accord you 10 feet of respect. 你犯我一尺，我回你一丈。 You transgress against me by a foot, I will return you in kind with 10. In general, if you play nice with Chinese, they will be obliged to treat you 10 times better.
Looking at how you treated Pakistan, I am sure you gave 0.5 feet of respect at the cost of 10 feet of Pakistani affection, trust and submission.
@@prashanthb6521 By "you", I presume you meant China or mainland Chinese, of which I am none. I am not familiar with Pakistani or its politics. How is its relations with China so far?
@Real Napster Really? Are Chinese people suffering like Indians are now? Who is to free who?
Yeah, we supported China to become UNSC permanent member, but now China vetoes against India becoming a UNSC permanent member when all other member agrees. China does not want a multi polar world in future, they want China v/s US. US is already doomed so China will be only one in top.
@@poushalinag7942 Thanks for pointing this out. Led me to do some reading on my own and realised that India refused a seat as UNSC permanent member, deferring it to China in 1950 and 1955, despite US and Russia's prodding. Have not seen anything on this matter from China's end except one article that mentions China's wish for a package solution to reforming UNSC. Cannot really comment on China's vetoing at the moment, but notes that it does not reflect well on China's treatment on India. It does suggest as you stated, that China would seem to want to be the only one on top. One thing though, I do not fully agree with your point on China vs US mentality. What China has been saying and doing with respect to US is, let's do business, have mutual respect and strive for mutual win. What US has been saying and doing with respect to China in recent years is, China is threatening our national security, China must be curtailed, it must be stopped from growing, To that end, US started using the Five-Eyes alliance against China and tried to pressure various other countries in its unlawful ways to impede China's growth. So how exactly is China threatening US' national security? Simply put, China's economical rise + US' own incompetence is putting US in the sideline in the global world stage. Not some actual intelligence, military, terrorist or political threat that one would think of when national security is usually used. And certainly not what Trump charged Huawei's 5G technology of with unfounded trumped up claims. Will read up more on China's veto and comment further if anything pops up. Again, thanks for the insight.
China doesnot look down on India, they have not become a superpower by looking down at others, they visualise for the next hundreds of years, analysing strength and weaknesses of every nation, but many Indians are...
I cannot understand why India always think China looks down on India. If India do well, China will benefit too. China is not the west. The west get rich when others are weak. China gets strong when other country is stronger
Precisely
@@blardymunggas6884 Indians believe China is like the West, a type of West. China benefits by looting others while India cares for every body and wants everyone to grow with it. This is how Indians think and will probably think for a long time.
@@mudra5114 u must be joking...
@@mudra5114 joke of the century i guess.
Only If India listens to Prof, Mahbubani's thoughts, India will rise with her neighbor beautifully without a quarrel.
How? Lets take the example of Pakistan. Pakistan and China say their friendship is "deeper than the Ocean, higher than the mountains". They call themselves the "iron brothers". It was Pakistan that brought the USA and China together in 1975. Where is Pakistan today, and where is China today? They share a land border. Why didn't China help Pakistan?
Impossible Dream as long as India Refuses to Worship Buddha. Just like Israel and Jesus who said that No Prophet is accepted in his Hometown. Hinduism purely for Indians and Judaism for Jews. Buddhaism for Eastern Gentles and Christianity for Western Gentles. Buddhism and Confucius' Ethics merged beautifully = Communism with Chinese Characteristics = Booming Success.
@@moneyking2540 😂😂 Hindus in India DO worship the Buddha. But what does it habe to do with Buddhism? your comment is very confusing.
@@user_ar6332 But Buddha is Not the Almighty God of India. Just like Jesus is Not the Almighty God of Israel.
@@user_ar6332 perhaps you need to google CPEC what China has been doing in Pakistan
This Prof Kanti contradicts himself when he seems annoyed that China elites do not see India as a great power and he reasoned later that there is a massive power gap between China and India, hence China is not very accommodative towards India. Prof Kanti like many Indians had the delusion of India as a great power today which clearly was detached from reality. Would US or any other Western countries be accommodative towards India because India IS a great power ? The answer to the last question would determine once and for all whether India is a great power today. As they said, respect is earned, not forced.
A form of inferiority complex, Indiians are crying for other powers not to look down on them, in fact no any country looked down on them. It just that no one considered India as a power.
@Srinivasan Vijayakumaran , there were a lot of mistakes by your PM cost millions of lives. No matter how many voices out there he just ignored it. Freedom of speech just useless in your country. In contrast, China president did the best job he can, lift 800 millions out of poverty, no complains.
Marcon today come India only to sell nucleus against china Don.t fear china never like to close the water pipe flow into india this water need in Mongolia desert
Kanti’s view in so called China internal “problems “ is totally illusional and may represent that of some Indian elites - this further trigger Indians to make wrong choices… China will continue to grow despite whatever India chooses..
China did and still does have many serious internal problems, different in different periods. What Kanti got wrong is the Fact CCP and Chinese people have demonstrated in the past they could overcome these Problems and be extremely successful.
The main problem of India is, it has border issue with every of its neighbouring countries. Why? Because its territorial map is drawn by colonial power british. And the problem is the neighbouring countries are not aware of the british version of map so donot agree with what India Claims.
China has lots of disputes as well. kzhead.info/sun/ebZwh8uDpXSKfH0/bejne.html
@@zahirulhossain1130 yes it has but it focuses on mutual cooperation rather than differences. China doesnot consider India as enemy, because the real historical enemy of China is the west n Japan. Indian historical enemy is also the west not China. Difference is India still have love to its colonial master while china is now stronger than its colonial masters.
@Zahirul Hossain China borders 14 neighbors, only 2 dispute unresolved: India and Bhutan. SCS isn't a sovereign dispute, the tiny islands are uninhabited, but claimed many countries, China is just one of them. Caspian Report isn't a credible channel.
@@BruceWayne-qe7bs nehru and jinnah were friends? Which nehru Jawarlal or motilal?
It's not about the British. Only borders dictated by geography can be defended. That's in international law. The High Points are the natural borders. India is protected by geography and the High Points, winter and water. China lies open and exposed. That's why Shih Huang Ti built the Great Wall of China from east to west in the north. The border between territories that China occupies and India, although not demarcated here and there, are dictated naturally by the High Points. China insists on unilaterally demarcating the border with India. It ignores the High Points and tries to seize land in the low lands. India can always go behind Chinese positions and occupy the High Points even in winter. Eventually, the Chinese go home. Indian troops, unlike the PLA, are highly trained. It has training modules from the British Empire, the Moghul Empire, Alexander the Great and the Greek Empire and the Roman Empire.
If you want to gain respect from other people, then earn it, not ask for it.
And by siding with the Colonial powers, the US, India will get little respect. It remains the decrepit elephant on its knees before its colonial masters.
US Demanded it with Guns on your head. You gotta give him.
@@BruceWayne-qe7bs china betrayed india? That is interesting complaints. China supports india in many areas too. Even now, China does not think India is an enemy. It's india who join anti-china group. Just look at India’s media. How much hatreds they spread. Look at WION
Respect is earned, not given as charity
@@justwonder6344 this fellow is spewing nonsense...
Prof Bajpai, correction on size of Tibet, total area is 1.228 million sq km, versus 9.597 million sq km for China, and that means Tibet is only 12.8% of China, and not 40% as claimed by you. Even a much bigger Xinjiang is only 17.3% of China.
Good to point out to that professor. When he mentioned 40%, I was also taken aback.
The professor used his fingers to measure the size of Xinjiang on the map?
@@davidchin35 Not fair to the professor, he only mentioned the size of Tibet to be 40% of China, he didn't mention the size of Xinjiang.
He's talking about "greater Tibet", which may include Xi'an because the Tibetan actually sacked Chang'an back in the 7th centry.
@@huojiaquan Based on your stupid claim, then Mongolia can claim almost the whole of Asia and Eastern Europe during the peak of the Mongol Empire in the 12th century. Italy can claim the whole of Southern Europe, the UK, and Northern Africa during the peak of the Roman Empire. Greece can claim the land conquered by Alexander the Great from Turkey all the way to India. The modern country boundaries must be based on after WWII and the formation of the United Nations.
With good will every difficulty is solvable, without goodwill every solution has a problem - a quote from Kishore
I rarely hear Chinese talk about India but constantly hear Indian talks about China and compares with China, how come?
Chinese official media barely report nothing about India. And it is why Indians complains mostly Global Times(major business of overseas news and reviews), rather on other Chinese media.
In this comment section I see more non Indians (most of them I think are chinese) giving advise to indians then indians complaining about Chinese lmfao
@@pinkyfinger9851 I noticed that as well. LOL!
@@pinkyfinger9851 In the video above that female host is so biased against China she ought to disqualify herself in the first place. The ex-foreign minister of Singapore was excellent in emphasizing the importance of cooperation in between India and China but then all he got in return is bout after bout of how China has mistreated India, the racism towards the Indians from China and _blah blah blah_ ad nauseum ---- the whole scene can only be described with the word -----> *Pathetic* ! On the issue regarding Chinese look down on the Indians, take one example, there is an Indian youtuber name Manu. The guy speaks awesome Mandarin and he often puts up videos on what's going on in India. During the pandemic he drove around town giving away food to the needy, sometimes at the tune of 700 meal packs (actually, it should be 1400 packs as his 'meal packs' came with food, and a separate pack of milk) and many Chinese audience actually donate money to him to fund his charity works. If the Chinese really look down on the Indians why do the Chinese donate their hard earned money to an Indian to feed Indian people in India ? I mean, look at the rhetoric of how Chinese despise Indians and then look at what the Chinese *DO* when they see that India needs help. Then you look at the nation to nation level ---- look at how Modi treats China, look at how he banned the Chinese apps, look at the non-stop anti-Chinese campaign he has launched in India, look at all the mistreatment of the ethnic Chinese living inside India, how they have been summary persecuted, locked up with trumped up charges, and so on, and when the pandemic hits India, when the Indians are dying in tens and hundreds of thousands, when Indians can't breathe, China sent thousands and thousands of Oxygen generators to India. And then the Indians complained that the Chinese charged them for the Oxygen generators ! Look at the way Indians do, versus what the Chinese do, it doesn't take a genius to see which side is beyond redemption.
Jealousy
India’s democracy is in name only. It copied its colonial master, Great Britain’s system without strong institutions and a well educated citizenry. It still has the cast system, and very toxic religious infights (hindus and muslims). India’s GDP was the same as China’s in the 80s. Now China’s GDP is many times larger than India. Market economy works better in China than in India’s. Chinese people are very pragmatic. Deng Xiaoping didn’t want to fight with CCP’s ideologues on the theory of what socialism was so he made up a new name for it “socialism with Chinese characteristics”, which alowed him to experiment with market economy (against ‘correct’ socialist theory) in Shengzen and some other coastal cities. He also said, “who cares what color a cat has, black or white, as long as it catches mice, it’s a good cat”. Even now, the “socialism with Chinese characteristics” has been enshrined in the CCP’s framework. This is why China have been developing so fast. It also drew a lesson from USSR’s demise. Russia’s economy has crumbled and all the formal republics became independent. If it were not for its military power and nuclear arsenal, Russia would be less relevant on the world stage.
well said
china is a doll house and its economy already crashed 2 years ago............its not a market economy as everything is under the thumb of the communist party........by the way china does not have a billion people but in reality under 500 million thanks to mao's depopulation and deng's one child policy............china lost 46 million from its workforce in the past decade alone..........also the current maps of countries are wrong as they have inflated the size of so called first world countries vis a vis developing countries to show severe overpopulation in 3rd world.............china is actually not larger than india [verified from detailed analysis of satellite photo maps where i discovered distortions and editing to fit the current purported size and layout of countries...india is bigger than what is shown in maps and china lot smaller barring maybe the western areas bordering india.......its almost shocking how they have been able to do it with such precision and skill]
@@svariar "crashed" ??????? hahahahaha........... the ONLY reason for india Pariahs to EXIST is to serve its britishit colonist queen !!! the hell country was "crashed" completely by the britishit colonist after its pull out in 50s !!!! india Pariahs population expanded like uncontrolled
@@svariar rats making it MORE POOR than ever !!!!!! hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha
@@WindChaseRT l
Staying away from USA and democracy is the ticket to save India. Find own path and social structure that answer India needs!!! Peace!!
Indian Prime Minister says China has not crossed the border, Prime Minister's office: he's right.
China has resolved its land borders with all its neighbours except India while India has land border disputes with Pakistan, Nepal and China. Is this not the failure of our Diplomacy?
Stupid question. Do not talk rubbish without knowing facts
Because these nations are sold already
South china sea ?
@@satchitanand8606 He said land borders.
@@satchitanand8606 they’ll resolve eventually. The only two counties will remain is India and Japan. There’s no coincidence.
I’m an Malaysian Chinese, and like all Chinese true out the world, the only thing we care and do is to put food on the table and give our family the best. We work day and night pay our taxes and only want the best for all human being in this world and if the rest of the world does prosper so will we, but greedy politicians only want to create hated among deferent countries in order to benefit from it, just pray that God will one day give those greedy politicians what they deserved.
So true
As an average Indian we do not have any negative opinion about Chinese people. Yes we are at some level envious but we don't hate Chinese people. Politicians may have their agenda. But Chinese people like Indian are an ancient civilization. Love from INDIA.
@@asthasingh2899 Unfortunately there are so many anti China commenters in youtube. I am not from India or China. But my impression is that so many Indian commenters are just obsessed by China.
@@keffinsg it is, indian(not all) hate china because of politician and media who has only shown that the other side bad.Especially modis followers.
Indians don't have anything against Chinese citizens. It is your belligerent regime that we are against to.
Kishore, as usual is so respectable! A total contrast to Bajpai!
As a Singaporean, he has to play nice with everyone. Singapore is too small and a very dependent country to offend anyone. All Singapore ministers are trained to do that as well.
I have viewed many interviews of Mr. Mahbani, he is amazingly smart, clear, balanced and intelligent. The common pity for all the interviews is that the interviewer or moderator are unprepared and in some cases, unqualified to interview such a great mind!
Ancient chinese scholar said, “So long as a man of virtue always does things conscientiously without making mistakes and treats people respectfully and appropriately, then all the people within the Four Seas will be his brothers. Why should he then worry about having no brothers?”
While the most emotional reaction all through in India is from the media, the lady host included.
Hahaha, not really the public is blind with rage.... No political party can make any deals with China for atleast 5 years.
@GOOSEBUMPS well, Maybe China should close down global times first, if it wants to be friendly with any country. 😒😒
@GOOSEBUMPS no, they will not be banned and we dont want to get more friendly to China.
@@worldwatcher9671 which enlightened Country do you come from?
@GOOSEBUMPS hahaha ... yes，Sir
Actually Prof Kishore’s message is very clear ans straight forward “If your opponent is too strong, just keep quiet and dun complaint, work harder, full stop”
Mr Mahbubani has a very practical, sensible, constructive and mature opinion.
Prof Mahbubani takes the available facts, then draws his conclusion. The other guy has a pre-formed opinion, then selects facts to reinforce his view. Very sad.
Agreed. I have not seen an INDIAN with an unbiased view of the world. They can never find a difference between the fact and the opinion. Sad but true.
@@KD-xq5co lol what are load of bull. No person in the world is unbiased
Self deceiving, very typical of indians
True indeed. At 10.40 the SC Editor pre-conceived statement of China intruded India, putting to Prof Mahbubani for his opinion but wisely he did not follow through stating he did not have the true facts. It's so common from most of the western press-forming their own statement rather then having opinion from the invited guests
@@KD-xq5co One's upbringings/surroundings often determines one's world view. In this sense, Prof. Mahbubani is not an Indian Indian. He is an Singaporean of Indian descent, one who grew up with Singaporean Chinese, and Singaporean Malays (Muslims). Therefore, he has an intrinsic understandings, of all three (very different) people/cultures, only available to someone who lived it, and not just read or studied about it.
I'm a Chinese. China wants to be friends with India. We don't want India to slander China with the United States, or initiate disputes at the border. In the epidemic situation, other countries' material assistance to India is not as much as China's, but we don't get a word of thanks
My foot. China wants to be friends with India when it is stealing land from India by occupying and setting settlements on Indian soil. Bullshit
@@shobaramankutty7003 That's a lie, my friend. If you want to know the truth, you are welcome to visit China
I salute Prof Mahbubani for is very tactful and fair reactions and statements. Even the host is very biaised.
The point made about being emotional, the time when Xi and Modi met looked like a shift, but later a trip to the US and Trump steered the path which for Modi seems a turbo booster from a salesman President. Relations then trickled down. The debate mentions India's inferior power to China. What makes India think, they have the standing of an equal with regards the US? Sit side by side with Superpower don't make you one. Do they share India's aspirations of being an equal? China is not a superpower and has a long journey ahead. Lifting the people out of poverty is just step 1. They have to prosper and their citizens will demand more from their economic miracle. China will have to keep innovating and expanding. The majority of Chinese can't be bothered about Indians. Most have plates to fill with food while a minority may be snobbish to sow hatred. India must not wait for West's help on development to be on equal footing with China. The inferior complex will disappear once partnership is established. I'm not advocating war, so pardon me here. Even if India gain control of Tibet, there is no legal claim even at UN. With Tibet out of the equation, the LOC is the main agenda dominating India/China division. Does India have the notion that China want to be an occupying force on Indian territories. If so, then fight for a few more decades or century. Otherwise diplomatically settle and move on. During ancient time's trade and travel, China India never had sovereignty war. What made India so sensitive? The strategic heights of Tibet is adequate if China harbours ill will towards India. India repeatedly reject China's vaccine overtures at the height of it's pandemic. Biden has agreed with the vaccine IP protocols but when? Recently the EU also denied Indian AZ travel privilege. Shows the hypocrisy and the leverage they will use to gain the advantage.Will not highlight other unpleasant India/West grievance. India is a member of NAM which isn't any smaller than the UN. NAM's failings in the past, doesn't mean it is irrelevant. India should strengthen NAM and leverage on it's strategic advantage in the Indian Ocean. Just NAM principles is good enough. Distance itself is a good bargain chip. Neighbors are not by choice and for centuries will be. Respond to neighbour's (not only China but all surrounding countries) gestures. My country's boundary are clear cut with all neighbours, so defence needs are minimized. India can emulate China to lift another billion out of poverty. Together with ASEAN can generate tremendous growth and culminate in the Asian Age. Why play a gatekeeper's role when the potential looks limitless?
This is a wise and well thought out article!
some historical facts are missing here between India china tibet, maybe you don't know or won't tell
@@avishkumar8231 If you want historical facts, it goes back a long time. Perhaps a more prominent period is Princess Wencheng of the Tang Dynasty marriage ties. You can goggle this. Tibet/India relations is more confined to the spread of Buddhism. Tibet came under Qing Dynasty rule later on. Many conflicts took place when Qing Dynasty fell and Republican China emerged and complications of the Communist Civil War. You can easily search for this info of that period. A very poor China then, but India has no stakes in an independent Tibet when China took over. Read this clearly stated document and these are by Western writers on the Tibetan Autonomous Region. India still has to consult the British although they were already an Independent nation in 1947. PRC only came into existence in 1949. www.google.com/amp/s/m.thewire.in/article/external/india-has-no-tibetan-card-to-play-heres-why/amp Maps en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/McMahon_Line www.google.com/amp/s/www.foreignaffairs.com/articles/tibet/1953-04-01/india-and-tibetan-tragedy%3famp en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/India%E2%80%93Tibet_relations#:~:text=The%20Government%20of%20India%2C%20soon,as%20a%20part%20of%20China. With regards India's borders, you have to search how the British carved out your country in their divide and rule policy. Read this. www.nationalgeographic.org/article/durand-line/ Read this. thediplomat.com/2017/08/70-years-of-the-radcliffe-line-understanding-the-story-of-indian-partition/ The influence of the West is overwhelming and India never benefitted from imperial colonial rule. China were also humiliated by the Western powers. Uncle Sam and Uncle Jack are always suspect personalities in the eyes of Chinese people. I believe, some historical happenings are realistically presented. You and India have to forge your own national destiny.
@@williemyapfc8905 😴
My India friends, it is time to think and act independently, not just be played by the Bad US.
@sneksnekitsasnek is that hard to understand the word "independently" ??
@sneksnekitsasnek lol.
@sneksnekitsasnek Honestly, played by Good China is better than played by the Bad US. Stop the emotional, research, think. China & India were friend thousand years, China Buddhism were originated form India.
Its actully india who plays the us not the other way around
@@kushagrapal8689 they play each others... that's not a good sign and basically they don't trust each other.
Mr proffesor Kishore Mahbubani you are always 👍👍👍👏👏👏
Prof Kishore is so incisive and to the point. He is right and brings out the only way ahead that is to sit down and redraw our boundary. Any conflict situation can only be in interest of others . Our membership of QUAD is clearly inexicable shot in the foot. We keep chosing the losing side fearful of standing up and facing issues to resolve them autonomously . Indian Military Veterans
This is my first time to hear from Dr. Kishore Mahbubani, he surprises me with his superior wisdom and knowledge! Extremely smart!
I am Chinese from the mainland. In my professional life, I have many Indian friends and I really enjoy working with them. I feel most of them are smart, friendly and professional. For me, it’s real painful to see the tragedy of confrontation between India & China. We both have the longest civilizations on this planet, we should be able to find a better way to treat each other. At least we are not enemies!!
其实只有边界问题，其它都不是会引起战争的问题。
@@slomo4672 同意✅
As Kishore suggested, straight talk between India and China on respective national interests. Hope they will find ways to accommodate each other.
@@BruceWayne-qe7bs then why started the war?
@@BruceWayne-qe7bs Don't you think, after division of Pakistan from Hindustan, division of Bangladesh from Hindustan etc. India(Nehru) was more interested in pro-claiming lands that belong to somebody. For example Goa etc Also, during those year's when Himalayan population probably, today known as Arunachalees. Were not part of India or China. But Britishers occupied the land(NE) from China, Myanmar etc. Then, China and Myanmar was too poor to locate and serve it's population, especially border population ( ethnic population) after British rule. Would say India(Nehru) was too cunning to claim the land from Innocents. War's started.. Time will come for Arunachal Pradesh too. A war will take place.
This moderator Malhotra made unjustified and loaded questions to disinform. On LAC: Modi at June 20 All-Party Meeting 1:25pm: "No Indian territory occupied by anyone"; Shiv Aroor INDIA TODAY June21 - "India troop initiated both conflicts n happened on China side LAC"
Can't expect any positive comments from person working for The Print which is extremely anti China.
If India always performs emotionally, how could other countries give the respect to it?
You can't pick on global Times cartons whilst ignoring Wion news on China.
Prof Kishore is such a brilliant and wise intellectual. Always capable to put things in the right prepective👍
there is no future and hope in china anymore. it is not a bad thing . lay flat is great in china.
India is still a poor developing country, but it has started to behave like superpower USA already.
huh , India is the poor with having 5th largest economy of the world .now don't go for comparing bet India & china. India has faced a lot in 70 years , fought 6 wars in 70 years & brits left us as a poor nation . completely destruction happened were in India .now India is standing on own foot gradually and transformed into the 5th largest economy as a poor country
@Real Napster Yes, India is richer than China & US.
@Real Napster Yes, China is also very poor. There is no doubt that China is also a developing country
The distrustful relationship between these 2 great nations is not because China doesn't respect India or China looks down on India. This distrust comes from India having that wrong perception that China looks down on India. There ought to be a mutual understanding and respect, and mutual cooperation will benefit both countries.
Wake up and smell the coffee China does look down upon India
We Chinese are practical people, we treat anyone equally according to their action instead of words or history. What could you expect from us if every step(action) you take against us?
Have u ever thought from an Indians perspective when u supported Pakistanis against Indians ehh!! Historically Indians have been very welcoming to foreigners even many Chinese who live in India peacefully. We are a peace loving nation and we didn’t ally with anyone during the cold war and hence we were named the third world 🌎. But u have accept ur governments expansionist policies that’s driving all the hatred towards the Chinese people
@@scube2250 Who start all of these? It’s because Nehru pushed “Marching forward “ military policy on boarder to China first, he thought India could take advantage of China at that time when two super powers both US and USSR were having very bad relationship with China and expressing the support of India. Just like The Galwan River conflict this time, Modi thought against that India could take advantage of China when US is carrying out Indo-pacific strategy against China, remember US president D. Trump just had a visit to India not long ago before the conflict; plus Modi thought He could take advantage of China when China were still struggling with the Covid crisis in Wuhan Hubei.This show India didn’t learn from the history and making the same mistake again and again.
@@yangfelix7021 oh really!!! U think after inviting mao to india and signing the friendship deal with Nehru and the one China one rule policy Nehru pushed the chinese??? Lol mate don’t show me ur nationalist mindset, everyone knows why China attacked India after Dalai Lama seeked refuge in india after Mao took Tibet from them. It was never Ladakh but about tibet and Dalai Lama. Everyone knows about Mao’s five finger regions and that’s why they are still pursuing their expansionist policy based on some old archaic kingdoms lol. The world knows it and if u think am wrong just wait and see what happens in the future with China under CCP. They have already taken some parts of turkmenistan, srilanka and Bhutan. It’s just some time before they try to reclaim everything with debt trap, just wait and see lol
@@yangfelix7021 u speak of Nehru lol 😂 the same guy who gave away coco island to Myanmar as a friendship gesture and divided india to india and Pakistan lol. In 1972 Nehru had to approach UN to stop the chinese invasion or they might have taken the whole of Jammu and Kashmir with rest of north India lmao 😂. 2021 China reminds of 1940s Germany 🇩🇪, it’s gonna be an interesting decade
@@scube2250 ok, let’s face the reality and work out our better future together , because for boarder disputes, there is no right or wrong, but different perspectives. Mahabubani is the one who has wisdom and very practical person, and he give all his points for the common good of both India and China. I do think China can accept his solution on this boarder issue, but I doubt if Modi could accept it. If not, the boarder stand off will last for a period of time, basically, I cannot see that’s a big issue, because China doesn’t have the motivation to invade India, India also doesn’t have the motivation for invading China.
the lack of ability to see the big picture and self awareness is the fundemental problem for India
Yet India have the largest pool of talents, extremely brilliant minds globally. Asians have surpassed their Caucasians counterparts in USA for average income. They clear it by earning on average $20k more than non Hispanic Caucasians. If you further break down the Asian group, Indians are clearly #1 and $20k clear of second place Chinese. No doubt that is through hard work and strong family support. However I do believe some of that wealth was boosted from taking money out from India and China through some shady deals and circumstances lol
When compared to china🇨🇳 indian Democratic system palys a role in weakning india🇮🇳 against china. Like 5 year tenure for government and different state elections,so leader has to take some short term strategy's for saving his face...which will further weakens Nations position in long term especially against a super power like china🇨🇳 with Great Economy&Stable leadership. I wish our nation🇮🇳 and china🇨🇳 able to move forward together.
Narendra Modi is the first Indian leader who has successfully pushed back China. Now China is scared of Modi .
@@hirakchatterjee5240 no wonder Modi lost in Bengal. Stupid people like you are blindly supporting him...
@@hirakchatterjee5240 Modi has pushed back China but Modi has pushed back India to the middle ages. There is more poverty in India now than was there 10 years ago.
You are absolutely right. Democracy has failed many countries. Its short term governance does not promote long term planning like poverty eradication and infrastructure development. With such short term rule, politicians are always politicking (helping themselves) instead of helping the people like what we see in US politics. China, hate the CCP all you want, do not have such problems. But the CCP today is different from the communist we used to know. China has gone from communism to socialism to what is today a social-capitalism with Chinese characteristics. It has continuously reformed itself. Tell me one country that reforms itself as much as China. Has US or India reformed itself in the last few decades? Reform or Change is difficult...and China has gone thru many. Without change China would not be what it is today.
@@theasian9324 You are spot on. China is able to plan and administer its plan for several decades. I had been to China so many times and we are nowhere near it. In India, the GDP may increase but the poverty will also increase. The govt will never look at wealth inequality and distribution. What we need is a govt and administration like in China.
Enjoyed the insightful conversation. Appreciated Jyoti Malbotra's last question. Can not agree more with Prof Kishore Mahbubani, if standing up independently and living up to its words, India would be trustworthy in Chinese's eyes. Unfortunately, India has chosen to side with US, the obvious stronger side in Prof Kanti Bajpai's eyes, to "detain China", so I guess it's only natural that China does not see India as a friend. Should India be respected as an enemy? Maybe not either, for according to Prof Bajpai, India needs a "super power" to support it just to stay beside China. It does not take a doctor's degree to see that India had never been respected by the west, but it takes an honest and courageous heart to admit it.
the moment Dalai Lama took and lived on money from CIA in the 1960s, he lost all legitimacy as a purely spiritual or religious leader in Tibet. the guest speaker was just too polite to point it out
China gobbled Tibet and kicked out Dalai Lama. The whole world knows that. No Chinese leader can ever come close to respect which Dalai Lama has in the world.
@@ksharma6909 the world doesn't know he took money from the CIA which also trained locals to kill and die for him, therefore the respect he has is worthless
@@zhiqiangtang2963 you can live in your make believe world. Rest of the world can differentiate between a monk, a businessman and the system of autocracy.
@@ksharma6909 I have been scrutinizing my source of information from who had been making me believe for a decade and therefore now I know what information to trust. But it seems that who made you believe what you believe also blinded you and told you that others are brainwashed and not as informed. I suggest you be more open-minded and start the quest, you will discover a whole new world. Condescending to others is the least of the consequence you are suffering, what's worse is that you will be prone to support violence as you hold that bag of hatred in you.
@@zhiqiangtang2963 There are no information barriers in India. I have access to all TV channels of world, any book or any other source of information on net like any normal citizen of India, So my comment was based on what I saw and heard from various sources over a period of years. You may consider it brainwashing. Thanks for that. Please don't answer to my comment. I have a fair guess as to what may be your source of information. To know the truth it is better to travel the world and meet humanity face to face because a look in the eyes reveals more about people than many pages written in their glory.
How Indians seeing themselves in the mirror is very different from how their neighbors seeing them.
Ditto for the Chinese
Same can be said about them..
@@ktandon03 Agreed. India has been doing great, no need to change.
Same goes for China...they must introspect why world is uniting against them...
@@satyadhoundiyal As a Chinese myself, fake news, lies and war propaganda don't bother me much. People can say what ever they like, especially those who envy....
Good on Print to invite prof. Mahbubani for this overdue debate - he is one capable outspoken voice that can cut sharply through this muddy clutter.
Prof. Mehbubani is a Lobbyist for China. As such he cannot be unbiased. He is paid to defend the Chinese view point.
I don’t completely disagree either, he maintains diplomatic silence on several issues conspicuously…
Paid clowns to support the kiasu culture and the CCP
@@shobaramankutty7003 some just can't tolerant any level headed views that may not be regarded as pro-India, even from an Indian descendant like Dr. Mahbubani. those people will always resort to name calling. Are you kidding me that Dr. Mahbubani prefers China to dominate/destroy India? Some of you guys are filled with hate.
Bringing useless biased CCP BOUGHT OVER CHARACTERS TO SPEAK IN INDIAN MEDIA AGAINST INDIA.
The host need to get her facts right before posing questions. It’s a massive turn off for people who are seeking truth. China has already won the Cold War India and The collective West is simply reacting to it.
Prof Mahbubani seemed frustrated. He wanted India to do well but they are not moving in that direction.
there is no future and hope in china anymore. it is not a bad thing . lay flat is great in china.
Mr Mahbubani stated the event and the drive. The (event) is the staggering progress of China’s success within the last 40 years. India simply could not stand the heat from a neighbor who has a similar population but why didn't India achieve that, this has (driven) India into jealousy and hatred. Prof Kanti Bajpai quotes “Finding a balancing partner” to do what? If you are talking about military means, please note this: from 40 years up until now, China did not fire a single bullet. Western killed millions in 40 years. A single blow to Iraq murdered 460,000 innocent men, women, and children! This is a heinous crime against humanity in history! What human rights are they talking about? So India wants a murderer to be a partner? Chinese are not an aggressive nation, never was and never will be. When Biden, Trump or Boris pat on Modi’s shoulder reminds me how the Brits divided Pakistani & Indian, they were once living under one roof in harmony like brothers & sisters, until the British stirred them up to fight each other. Same thing applies when N Korea fought the south. The N Vietnam and south were instigated by Americans. The shoulder patting is sending you to graveyard Modi! The titles (India vs China) of your book may not be appropriate. I can assure you that the Chinese have never hated the Indian, period!
I don't think you have been to any Chinese Social media like weibo or Zhuhu. They are very racist against Indians and some even want to kill 100 Indians for every Chinese soldier killed in Ladakh. They always call us Ah san and say very racist things about us. You are not in touch with the Chinese reality unfortunately.
@@bajvisajahl1726 You are living in your hate fantacy
@@bajvisajahl1726 You are correct that I do not use too much social media, I have not been to those you’ve mentioned. I can understand there may be some clashes between the Indians vs Chinese in recent times. The sentiments, I believe, were triggered by the border issues on both side and I believe that was provoked it by Indian side (but don’t quote me on that.) The most notable issue is when the Covid was completely out of control in India and China was willing to lend a helping hand BUT, it has rejected by Modi’s gov! Citizens are dying in huge numbers and why did Modi reject the offer? China was started to put all differences aside, but to rescue human life’s first. I strongly believe the hatred sentiments have a lot to do with the above aspects. But these things will cool down in time.
@@reflexsamurai958 I think it is Fake news that India rejected the help given by China. I remember as early as May China had started taking flight charges for Indian Medical firms buying raw materials from China. I think the statement was made only for publicity. If China really wanted to help it should have directly talked to the government but they give public statement to show humiliation. You see it's all politics.
yeah, not sure why Indians hate Chinese, I mean I work with a lot of Indians since I'm in IT, I think most of them are cool and nice people, I have nothing against them. And I don't think China at this moment is interested in picking a fight with India, there is an aggressive America at front door, no reason to fight with anyone else, so if there is a confrontation btw IN and CN, I'm pretty sure it's started by India, maybe India wants to take advantage of the situation? that's the only logical explanation I can think of.
Dear Prof Kishore Mahbubani, you are hero to build a better world, for US-China, and India-China, Sigapore-China, appriciated for your great effort to contribute with your wise and kindness
Kishore is usual never mentions the horrendous human rights record of the CCP. Human rights is a core issue. It's not how much money one makes.
@@everythingandmore5537 "Human rights is a core issue" ????? hahahahahahaha.............. Yup !!!! "Human rights is a core issue" for Hell india !!!! Around the globe ONLY india divided its people into diff classes instead of born Equal - the basic " CORE Human Right" !!!!! hahahahahahahha...... it's totally a tragedy to be born in india particularly as a Pariahs !!!!!! Hahahahahahahaahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahhaa
@@everythingandmore5537 india is doomed to be the LOSER and NEVER can Compete with CHINA as longs as the BASIC "Human Rights core issue" of Pariahs Exists !!!!!! hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahah
@@WindChaseRT People change with time through democrasy and human rights. Chinese civilisation promoted human rights. However Mao felt that human rights was not important. So the CCP followed his path and china became a human rights abuses of all time.
@@everythingandmore5537 "demorcrasy" ????? hahahahaha........ hell inida has evil "democrasy" BUT CHINA has democraCy !!!! Hahahahahahahahahahhahaa .... "change with time" ????? BUT india NEVER WANT to "change with time" VIA its Ugly "democrasy and human rights" RECORDS !!!! "human rights" is NEVER been "important" in Modi's govt thats why it want to KEEP Pariahs FOREVER in hell india !!!! hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahha
Very Deep and critical discussion by the panel, really appreciated the insights and analysis of the larger and the bigger picture that is developing in the 21st Century. As an immediate neighbor to India, I believe, that the world war is gonna be played out on the Global stage in the Asian Continent, and like what happened in the last World War, America came out on top - Because the Global Super Powers of that time, fought between themselves the bloodiest of Wars i.e. Mighty British Empire (Economic & Military Might) and Germany (Economic & Military Might). But they both killed each others, laying dead on the battle field and simply leaving open the battle field for the 3rd Developing World Power i.e. America to lay the claims to their Victory for itself and then for the remainder of the century (cause UK broke its back and Germany ended up divided). NOW..... America simply wants the REPEAT of THAT Same Play BUT with a TWIST! .......... Practically, America should be the ONE to Directly fight / face-off the Chinese this time (as did the British empire did to Germans) BUT !!! As the ground realities DONT Allow a Positive Victory as a Result for the Americans for another Major Direct Conflict with a Serious Major Power & EUROPE is now the "OLD Ragged Man" without any stomach for any future Wars!! --- Hence They Want to Muster Up the Indians to do their Front Assault / Face-off with the Chinese and let these two dogs fight off and eat each others face off as a result, while the Americans will only "Support" Indians to do their dirty biddings. As a RESULT of this, India gets decimated (as No war has EVER produced a wealthier winner!!!) and China becomes also decimated in the process!............. SOOOO! the Analysis of these Mr. Kishore is POINT-ON watch where you step on your Neighbors feet !!! cause ultimately they are YOUR Neighbor ! (And the West is NOT!) Recent World developments such as "QUAD" and putting up Indians CEO's in Major world companies and Supporting BJP in India (an Ultra-Hindu Nationalist Party) ...... All of these American props plays right into the hands of Americans to Prop-Up Indians (in Indian minds about their ultra leadership skills and importance in the World!!!) to prepare Indians as the American jockeys for the Next American Dirty & Bloodiest Race! against the Chinese. decimating both India and China in the process and leaving America un-touched while it was passing through its old age and testing times itself at home!
It seems like this lady's job is primarily to produce content and say things that Indians WANT to be true.
Dr Kishore Mahbubani is brilliant and peagmatic.He has given very constructive views regarding the two countries's relation.That's why Singapore developed and is a prosperous country.
the heart of the matter is, prc is directed to raise the living standard of the nation, india is run to benefit politicians. there are many reasons why india has lagged behind prc, but that is the most obvious.
I think you've hit the nail on the head.
@Real Napster CPC makes up 7-8% of the entire Chinese population. Almost in every family, there are CPC members. It's not like it's an exclusive VIP group, and corruption was a thing of the past (pre-2013).
@@yl7806 corruption is never a thing of the past. prc has big problems, which they are not addressing. not yet, not visibly. but i generally support them, in their struggle with usa - some devils much worse than others.
A Chinese friend once told me (a Singaporean), that in China, considerations and decisions are made in terms of 100s of years, not some 3-5 years plan, or 10 for that matter.
@Real Napster China beat corruption by Xi already, when will India have your wise man to beat your corruption?
I’m saying this as a Chinese living in the mainland. Practically speaking, the planning horizon is more like 5 to 10 years for socioeconomic development and maybe at most a few decades for some really grandiose long term goal. I don’t think this is necessarily a longer term mindset than western governments, as there are so many great US and European statesmen whose legacy from decades or hundreds of years ago can still be felt today. And the left-right swinging western systems seem to have worked well until recently. The only thing that’s perhaps relatively longer term in the Chinese mindset is history, with official records date back to Confucius’s time about 800 BC. Almost 3000 years’ recorded history is full of lessons of how dynasties rose and fell, one after another. And we can sense that today’s Chinese government understand those lessons deeply.
As usual Kishore Mahbubani outsmart these two ignorants , it seem like an university Prof. lecturing a street scavenger !
The moderator & Prof Kanti sounded way out of depth compared to Kishore's level-headed reasonings.
there is no future and hope in china anymore. it is not a bad thing . lay flat is great in china.
@@privateconfidential7056 😂 Yea, you can believe in that. Soon you will find China will be greater
@@keyboardmanyoutube3189 - don't speak so soon . ha ha ha , see what will happen in another 2 years if china still around.
@@privateconfidential7056 Tell you a truth: the US would not card bout China if China had no hope in the future. The US only cares about the ones who will potentially surpass it. That is why the US doesn't care about India now.
Kishore thinks like a Chinese and Kanti thinks like an Indian.
Well said, you know why Kishore had been playing and working with Chinese people since he was very young. Don't you think he understands the Chinese people's Psyche very well more than possibly 99% of Indians in India? Rule 101: To deal/combat/debate, etc with the other party firstly you must understand them.
@@yttean98 Kishore is just saying things that don't offend the majority in Singapore! Nothing much else! Indians are NOT dummies to be needing advice from him. If China can think that it is super-duper power capable of taking on a real military and tech superpower like the US, then it is well within reality for India to think that it can handle the paper dragon that is China!
@@jarjarbinks3193 The Chinese did take on the militarily superior US in Korea and beat them.
@@justify3733 Typical BS! China used its poor peasants like cannon fodder. China lost several thousands of its soldiers in that war, many times the US casualties. The US would have finished off China if it had opted to go nuclear. The fact was the US had no stomach for a bigger fight after WW2! Without US help in WW2, China would still be a Japanese colony!
@@jarjarbinks3193 I am not talking about superpower, if China thinks highly of itself there would be a war at Ladalh already, you can guess who would win. If Kishore is saying is more than not offending Singaporeans it goes beyond that if he does believe what he thinks why says it in the first place. The main difference between Indians and Chinese the latter is too pragmatic for your likings. They are focus on outcomes whereas the Indians are focus on winning like the Americans.
The Western world has been participating in a game of strength rankings, and everyone competes with each other to get the top spots on this list. The root of the problem is that China is not interested in this list at all. Unfortunately, Western countries always draw China into this competition and use various evil methods against China. So we just want to say: Please leave me alone for a while.
Mahbubani is so smart, great respect. He is no doubt smarter than the other guest！
The huge gap in analytical skills, diplomatic craftsmanship is so in this discussion.
There is s saying. "He eats more salt than she eats rice".
The way India portray themselves is not the type of a progresive country...& a very long way to be a super power country
That is the story of Central Asia, unjust wars have destroyed, separated Asia, with the exception of Israel, but India is still powerful. All the teachers of all the faiths are from Asia. This is how planet Earth was colonized. Asia is Egypt, Arabs, Israel, Persia, India and it is Ancient India that is related to all. The teachers were the superpowers, there is no others. Britain left India poor and her lands, power divided but India did "set the sun" on the so called Empire. India has never been conquered, invaded but never conquered. Afghanistan, Pakistan and parts of Iran was India, also known as Asia Minor and it was Buddhist India that ruled, it was Islam that invaded India not a separate race. African slavery was also brought into India by the Kings of Asia and later the Portuguese, same as in America, South America, etc and slavery has hurt all civilizations. The civilization that actually understands India is the civilization that will take mankind into the next step in evolution.
@@sungalaxy7073 Well said.
India is the last corner of true secularism ,democracy and cradle of pristine culture. We are happy to stay that way.
@@babureddy6478 Said by a indian ,to the india ,from the india🤣🤣🤣
@@simonpoon5972 yeah we know that but whats your point?
I'd like to point out how the professors rather talk about the urine in the last supper artwork instead of India's portrayal kneeling while the other countries have a sit. Indians forget that both India and China are great civilisations for thousands of years that got robbed and destroyed by western colonial countries. The choice in picking the urine instead of kneeling shows that most Indians rather look up to and support their colonial masters that caused the Bengal famine instead of a peer victim that's standing up for itself to fight against imperialism. Kishore is right that China is willing to give respect to any country regardless of size (ask any African nation) when trying to cooperate but if India chooses to side with imperialists to destroy China, especially with border issues created by UK (India's former colonial master), China will not back down on fighting back.
@Gaffadi. Well said!
The presenter claimed Dalai Lama a spiritual leader 🤣🤣🤣🤮 Didn’t he owned Tibetan slaves and kept them nothing as animal.
Yes Dalia Lama was the richest slave owner in Tibet. It was CPC who abolished serfdom in Tibet.
@@michaelteng6076 thanks so much. Dalai Lama so called spiritual leader is devoid of anything good, empty vessel. Thanks to CPC, Tibetans are free people. 🙏🙏🙏🐝
Dalia Lama and those that escaped to India were the richest serf owners in Tibet. After their escape, China redistributed land to the serfs.
Let me try to answer the question: the system China has currently ensures a stable internal environment so the country can focus on Developing on all sectors. Is this really that hard to see?
No joke: china even has one of the worst airforces along with paxstan google it
@@grimsobad8545 Yes I hope so but yet those opposed still can't let China off their hook.
@Real Napster Being ignorance is fine but did not propagate the lies. It will only stamp ur pains inside you. The Chinese live with everything the CPC provided to them. You cant even live so luxuriously like them what else to compare. They enjoyed all the infrastructures available, bullet trains, AI, 5G, Fintech, Surveillance System, EV, Internet City n etc while you just can dream on now. Ask ur Govt when u going to hv a bullet train on ur land? You can just the pain with envy n nothing else. Ur nation still so backward yet you can brag here. Look at the mirror n see how far u are backward n being left out. Wake up n fight for ur rights. Ur standard of living still so poor. Do not hv to sooth urself by thinking of the Chinese plight. They live better than you 10times. They had what they need now while you still lying on urself n cursing ur nation for neglecting all of you.
No. They know everything very well. They just dont wanna adimit it
@paper plane And China has already collapsed by the crack down from the CCP, so you dont have to bother CCP now, then you are living in a happy life in heaven world.
I see Kishore, I watch
Which country did not look down on India ? Check the media in all Western countries, you can read the West's disparagement, denunciation and condescending attitude towards India, especially lately with the Covid crisis.
Yes but China funds terrorists groups in India, west does not
Are u anti India?
Mahbubani is a great wise person! especially compared with the others two!
India have a wrong perception of themselves. ........"Your beauty does not belong to you until the opinion of others say so" Look at recent event, India thought they are USA's "BEST" friend....correct, but what happen when the pandemic hit India. Did USA offer them help? NO, is AMERICA FIRST! Please wake up. Know who is your friend or foe... If your can't differentiate that, then you are at.............end
Modi is an American adoring puppy.
Dr Mahbubani is brilliant and pragmatic diplomat. I am his fan. He is Piller of Singapore development.
Mr.Bani is a man with principle.No lies but the truth.
India and Indians are emotional! That is a sentiment I have observed in SEA.
Even online in their comments I noticed this alot
Everyday,from morning till the night,the radio and tv program talk bad about China.Even WION bring up negative news about China.What did you guy expect from China.Respect China,China has different cultures than India.Both should respect each other.
India has a choice not to choose side. Just be itself and wisely diplomatically sail between the the two great powers.
@@worldwatcher9671 What a joke. All Chinese commentators always say things without facts just like rhetoric. Indians are arrogant or don't have correct facts well you are not even presenting any facts just making statements based in your racial identity which is a shame.
Just like Nehru did it with NAM. But if Modi does that how can he abuse Nehru for every fault of his own.
@@bajvisajahl1726 you just proved world watcher's point
No nation on earth allow foreign interest group to operate their propaganda machine to antagonize it's neighbor except india. Look at WION group and what they have done to india china relationship.
@@elppadiordnakerhs2867 show me facts. Don't tell me all this nonsense.
I salute Prof Mahbhubani for making so much effort in debating with a people that suffers from inferiority complex, has Stockholm syndrome and yet also has an ego bigger than the entire cosmos. Respect to you sir. I won't waste my time with them though.
Inferiority complex is inherent to the faith or lack of thereof in Hinduism. People with Inferiority complex make up things and needlessly attack others.
Kanti is right. The root cause of the border issues is not the disagreement of who the small peices of land belongs to. It stems from India's betrayal of China vis-à-vis Tibet. Nehru had met with Zhou Enlai in the mid-50s when both were just freed from the shackles of colonialism & imperialism, and Nehru iterated that India sees Tibet as a sovereign part of China. The un-demarcated border starts to become an issue when India not only gave permanent refuge to the Dalai when he escaped from Tibet. India also allowed the setting up of the Tibetan gov't-in-exile in India itself in Dharamsala. And worst yet, it allowed and hosted rebel Tibetan separatist and CIA operatives to use India as a base to destabilize China. That's when China escalated the border issue which resulted in the 1962 War, and also to take Pakistan's side in the Indo-Pakistan dispute. What had made India to make these choices ??? And today India is at it again by joining the Quad, participating in naval exercise in the SCS. What kind of a message is India trying to send to China other than saying, I want to be your enemy. Like australia, if India wants to make China it's enemy, China is more than happy to oblige if it has this huge power gap over India. It appears to me, India is just jealous that China is outperforming it in the economic and social development field hence is doing everything it can to smear and annoy China. It is also actively participating in any actions by the West to contain China. And India expects China to be friendly to her ????
@Jyoti (editor): the indian attitude toward china has to change. During covid the people of north east india who have more pronounced east asian features were subjected to both verbal and physical abuse. During the galwan conflict not a single indian living/working in china was subjected to racial abuse.
No matter how much it is talked about, it’s useless. There is a democratic country that can’t do well in internal affairs and caring for the people. The society is still generally poor. There is another country that implements a socialist system, but it continues to improve the living environment and take care of the people. The country is getting better and better, what do you think? Neighbors should get along with each other so that they can take care of each other, instead of hostile to your neighbors with friends on the other side of the Pacific...
Give us your most beautiful women. Then we will own your grandchildren.
What socialist system 😂😂. China is full of capitalism don’t deceive others everyone knows what China is .
A very good interview showing why India failed over the years.
China never look down on any country. Infact they help country in Eastern Bloc with Infra Structure to build their economy. Indian Govt., Modhi feel inferiority to Xi & accusing China for looking down on India. India relationship with any country is unpredictable and instable, what do you respect from this outcome???
One thing I know is that Indian and the USA are obsessed with what China is doing. Whereas china’s obsession is on improving itself.
Thanks Prof Mahbubani, you are an optimist and I support the fact that it is a choice if we are friends or foes. My wish is India and China should be friends and let the spirit of Bodhidharma to foster this relationship.
[ India and China should be friends ] this will scare the shit out of U5A for sure.
This video is very enlightening , points made were absolute truth. Need more diplomacy than emotional stuff. Equal strategic partners - i guess no objection from China (even more interested) , if we overpower and/or attempt to destabilize them with other foreign alliances, there is a problem and they bluntly put a statement ‘you are 1/5th of our strengths’. Wish and hope things will sort out sooner than later.
Enlightening. My foot
True. When two great nations with 40% of human populations work together no one can stop them. Unfortunately The Hawk wont let that happens.
Shoba: Enlightening doesn't work when head is full of holy cowdung!
Very constructive debate I appreciate Professor Mahbubani and Bajpai. This kind of debate should be frequently organized at this point of time. We all should discourage the way how WION channel along with the western media spread lies or propaganda against china