Astrology in the early Islamicate World
We continue our exploration of the Occult Sciences by taking a look at some of the earliest theories and practices surrounding astrology in the Islamicate World.
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Hi, Could you make a video about the Astrolabe and its Great développement during the Islamic Golden Age and its widespread use in Europe while the Age of Discovery ❤️❤️
Thank you very much! A book that I would recommend concerning the esoteric science of Astronomy is a book by Shaykh Ahmad al-Alawi (born 1869) titled Miftah Al-Shuhud Fi Mazahir Al-Wujud (Key to Contemplation in the Appearances of Creation), although there isn't an English version yet. A French version is titled Cle de la contemplation.
Recently, I've developed an interest in early Islamic history, I'm so happy to have stumbled upon this video. It gave me a new perspective, thanks!
It is believed that Murad III the sultan of the Othman empire built the largest observatory in the medieval time in 1577. He wanted this observatory to rival the one built in Samarkand in the beginning of the 15th century. This was at a time when Europe had no idea what real astronomy is. When the observatory was completed, a comet appeared in the sky and Murad III asked the scientists working in the observatory to tell him what they can make of this comet. Apparently the people of that time still didn’t know the difference between Astrology and Astronomy. The scientists didn’t know what to answer the sultan and replied to him that the Ottoman Empire is going to be prosperous and that they will invade Persia. Few months later, a plague hit the Ottoman Empire and many people died. The sultan was so furious about their prognostication and ordered the demolition of the observatory and the end of the astronomical discoveries in the Muslim world. In the mean time, the construction of another observatory in Denmark was completed which the scientist Kepler used to make important discoveries and a century later it helped Newton to come up with his universal law of gravity which set the stage centuries later for the start of the Industrial Age and the scientific revolution in the west. The bottom line is that it only requires one authoritarian closed minded decision to change the course of history and decide the fate of a nation.
Very interesting!
Murad III did actually conquer western Persia
that's why Prophet Muhammad pbuh told us no one knows of the unseen and that means nobody can't.so better not be involved with predicting unless for things like the weather
@@pjq420 HE LEARNED FROM SCHOOL OF TEHUTI AND TOLD YALL GABRIEL
@@kamitecnative3286 I supposed to believe you?
_I don't believe in astrology because I'm Sagittarius; we are skeptical_ Arthur C. Clarke
Great presentation Filp! It is extraordinary how deeply ingrained and long lived Astrology has been, also how porous the ancient world was with these ideas travelling far and wide with ease, leaving an indelible mark wherever they go, even if the sources were often forgotten and mysterious.
It's really curious to know how much contemporary astrology has become different from ancient astrology, so I'm glad this is going to be a collaboration, even more so, comparing Middle East and West. Now when one considers the similarities between traditions, it's easy to assume they had a common origin. Yet it's hard to imagine how 'original' astrology could combine elements from European, Indian, Arabic and Chinese astrology O_o
Well as the hermetics say as above so below. The fact that you can see yourself in the rest of the universe is a natural law. So it's no wonder many different society's gleamed the same knowledge. Everyone can see the sky.
And don't forget ancient Greek or Hellenistic Astrology! The ancient Greeks had one of the most advanced and sophisticated systems of astrology ever known. Thanks to things like Project Hindsight, Hellenistic Astrology is now experiencing a rebirth.
I think any talk of an "original" anything is always going to be a problem.
@@naiman4535 The Indians/Hindus have a KILLER astrological system. Extremely sophistical, older & arguably more accurate than the current Western/Tropical astrology we have today. The Greeks are awesome! But there are older & even more complex calculations for astrology than those birthed in western culture- Chinese astrology, Egyptian astrology & Vedic astrology (Jyotishya) are all wonderful non-western examples. I’ve learned so much from other cultures, so I just want to shout them out as well!
@@KayxzTarot The ancient Greeks ARE Western culture - they were the root of it. When you talk about Hindu Vedic Astrology being more accurate, you are probably referring to their use of the stellar / night sky based sidereal zodiac, which is based on the fixed stars and constellations, versus the solar based tropical zodiac of Western Astrology. Well, the ancient Greeks used the tropical zodiac, and even though many have considered that a mistake they made way back in the Hellenistic era, when the two zodiacs were still basically in sync, Steven Schmidt, the founder of Project Hindsight, and a key translator of the old Greek texts, says that they were fully aware of the two zodiacs, and consciously chose the tropical. There are astrologers who use both the sidereal as well as the tropical zodiacs; they say that the sidereal zodiac is better for event prediction, whereas the solar based tropical zodiac is better for the delineation of the individual soul and Spirit - which the Sun is our greatest celestial symbol of. With the sidereal zodiac being more lunar / stellar / night sky based, it is a more Yin frame of reference, whereas the solar based tropical zodiac is a more Yang frame of reference.
I can’t tell you how much I appreciate your effort to pronounce the Arabic Names as it is. In this genre specifically (English speaking channels) you’re the first creator that I noticed in all your videos, you don’t mispronounce the Arabic Names to sound familiar for the majority of your targeted audience. I once kindly tried to explain the linguistic significance of Arabic, our own language to a huge American creator and he got insecure, his mispronunciations are like intentional devaluation against the beautiful Arabic culture... Thank you so much luv
Agreed!! 👏🏽👏🏽👏🏽
Another very interesting video from Let's Talk Religion. Thank you for doing videos on how complex Islamic civilization has been and made contributions to philosophy, science, and culture in ways many may not be aware of.
That’s bullshit, there’s no such thing as Islamic civilisation because Islam was originated in a largely uncivilised environment, where there were only camels, tents and sand. So how come people from such place claim to “civilise the rest of humanity”? In Egypt the public instruction of the youth was well underway way long before even Judaism, not to mention how Persia, Syria and North Africa were rich in culture, order and fascinating things along with coexistence from members of all faiths, before those hot tempered, radical desert men came and violently plundered it and enforced upon them the fascist Arabic religion. Philosophy was seen as hereditary and banned, science was also highly restricted except for few things after several centuries of expansion. Perhaps as a result of being in touch for people like Spaniards and Persians who were undoubtedly of higher culture. Most of the scientific achievements were done by Christian scholars, as well as architecture, which was either a direct rip off of Byzantium style or conquered peoples monasteries and churches turned into mosques by one sweep. Islam creates nothing but backwardness, violence and hatred. Did they really need to go all the way to Christian Spain or Persia to display Islamic culture rather than their native land?…
@@darkness595 unfortunately you're ignorant of facts. Go read a book about this subject please.
Arabic contributions. Islam contributed very little.
@@chrystalblue7170 Islam was the inspiration behind the civilization medieval Arabs were inspired by. Arab culture was remarkably transformed after Islamization. Please do your research. This channel is in fact a good resource for you to learn from.
@@darkness595 unfortunately you r in darkness 😅😅😅😅
Filip, I just wanted to say that the work that you create is essentially art. It is thoughtprovoking, intruiging, educational, inspiring, and most of all made with a true passion. I thank you, and recognise you. Know that the work that you create touches people. Again, thank you.
Okay 👀 looking forward to this as always 🙏🏼 💯
Very eye opening topic , your channel is underrated
as always such informative video thank you for your hard work
Wow, i learned so much about Astrology in general as well here. You always delive such great contents
Thank you for this collaboration, Filip. I find your video extremely interesting and informative!
Thank you Angela! It is a pleasure to collaborate with you!
But Why one-eyed Egyptian pyramid on one $ USA❓There also written "in god we trust" so they believe in one-eyed antichrist❓Left-eyed antichrist symbol❓To open this 3rd eye, irani Shia sufi Monsor Hallaj also used to worship jin satan like the Kabbalah Jews, Christian saints, Buddhists monks, hindu pandits, roman, Greeks etc. Illuminati, freemasons who are always busy to open the 3rd eye to reach the highest level of spirituality to possess the supernatural powers. that's why these blasphemous words “anal haq (I’m truth/god) and prostrate to me” were coming out from the mouth of mansur hallaj Sufi. But our prophet (ﷺ) warned about the one-eyed antichrist (dajjal) who will be blind in right eye. And this Left-eyed antichrist will also claim to be the beggten son of God or God and savior for each sects of religions to deceive them. The antichrist will lead the infidels and the world with mighty evil powers (false miracles). May Almighty ALLAH protect us from this antichrist (dajjalik) fitna. Aameen
Nicely put together 👍🏼
Thank you so much! I've been an Astrologer for the last 37 years and never have seen so much info together about Islamic Astrology. Super rich! Thanks! Love all your videos. Looking forward for more material on Shaivism. Abhinava Gupta himself deserves an episode!
sorry to say astrology is pointless and pseudoscience
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Tell that to Isaac Newton!!! KKKK
@@SaturnWisdom what? you need some proof to believe in a concept. Astrology is not real and has no affect on our daily lives.
I note that the same debates took place in Christendom about the role of the stars , namely do they compel or merely act as guides? Also, many Western astrologers and apologists for magic made a distinction between natural and demonic magic, with astrology being classed as belonging to the former category. Very illuminating talk.
Fascinating information - thank you 🙏🏽
how come this isn't on Spotify? love your work man!!!
Highly informative video! Thank you
I always thought it was funny how astrology (roughly the "logic of the stars") took the name that modern astronomy would have liked to apply to itself, but because that naming convention was already so thoroughly entrenched, they had to settle for the "naming of stars".
Thank you for sharing this old but gold knowledge..
I find your videos very calming and comforting
I'm glad!
At 4:53 pronounced (Ahkam) not (Akham) means judgments Amazing video 🌹 Thank you 🙏🏻
Informative - as usual just another great upload. We do not know: before making this video, if you have studied one interesting Arabic book written by Al-Khatib al-Baghdadi (1002-1071 CE) "Al-Qoul Fi Ilm an-Najoom القول في علم النجوم". Al-Khatib al-Baghdadi is one of the top Scholars, and one of the most prolific writers of Islamic History.
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You make things very simple. Everything you explain seems simple to me. 🎖
Great video. Great Graphics and visuals. The best explanation of animal sacrifice I have heard. Thanks. I already follow Angela.
Thank you!
Thx for this very informative video
Thank you for sharing!!!
Thanks for enlightening us
Beautiful images.
@ 6:39 There's actually a story about that during a rebellion against Abu Ja'afar al-Mansur. This rebellion flared up in the Hejaz and Basra, and he was worried he'd lose. That was until an Astrologer told him that the leader of the revolt wouldn't last 70 days. @10:53 And for those military history buffs out there: his description and specification of swords in use in his period informed Arab sword classifications for the next several centuries.
No doubt, another interesting and informative lecture. Thumbs Up
it is highly possible that these rays mentioned by al kindi are what is known now as gravity power or magnetic fields. and this is amazing how he understood it only through his observations
As Sindh was under the actual rule of the Khalif Mansur (AD 753-774), there came embassies from that part of India to Bagdad and among them scholars, who brought with them two books. With the help of these Pandits Alfazari, perhaps also Yaqūb ibn Tāriq, translated them. Both works have been largely used, and have exercised a great influence. It was on this occasion that the Arabs first became acquainted with a scientific system of astronomy. They learned from Brahmagupta earlier than Ptolemy.
A book that I would recommend concerning the esoteric science of Astronomy is the book Shaykh Ahmad al-Alawi (born 1869) titled Miftah Al-Shuhud Fi Mazahir Al-Wujud (Key to Contemplation in the Appearances of Creation), although there isn't an English version yet. A French version is titled Cle de la contemplation.
Very interesting. The theories of astrology that I am more familiar with, in Indian astrology, are phrased in terms of the subtle gravity of celestial bodies, gravity operating on the astral plane more than the physical plane. In Jyotiṣa, the planets are “grahas” or seizers, forces which can grab ahold of and influence earth-dwelling consciousnesses, e.g. by causing particular karmic patterns to surface.
This is such a fascinating series, looking forward to more videos on the Islamicate Occult!
Exiting topic. I love the history of Astrology and the early Islamic era was a very important period
I love watching your videos they are the thing that gets me up in the morning and spark interest in learning. Thank you for another great video.💛
Oh my darling, can not wait!
✨🌟✨ enjoyed watching this
The Veda's(Vedic's) had astrology first, they even traveled the world to share their knowledge, they knew of many things before us, including complex math, the vagas nerve which we only recently discovered is real, yoga, life force energy, chakras, and many many more things. Also there has been proof that a story of shiva having monkeys build a path of stones to an island for his is real, they recently found the path and island and the story of how it was built matches the construction, very interesting.
Please show the proof of monkeys doing the building. Thanks.
@@rehan3600 uhm, well this was thousands and thousands of years ago so it’s not like there videos of monkeys building it, however there are the remains on the buildings they made, there’s a documentary on KZhead I can’t remember the name but it’s about old ruins and civilizations, they show ruins from mostly Asia. You can try and find it yourself I’m not gunna put my energy into it, cause that’s not my job.
@@animemicheal So you are both disingenuous and lazy got it. At least prepare for your argument before you make one.
Hello Brother i think you were talking about Ramayan. And that bridge is called RAM SETU. You can google about it for further details.
@@animemichealhey make an Ai video 😂 any one will believe. It's the story of Ram from ramayana book
Astronomy compels the Soul to look upwards and leads us from this world to another. Plato
great video Sir. thank you very much !
It will be much appreciated if you could gain and share knowledge about Druze first community formation and the linkage with the communities where they adopted their philosophy from
There is a (shorter) video on the Druze on the channel!
I love this channel ❤
Thank you for that in was asking myself why no one make it clear... about astrology in Islam and its important, we all one in different Forms and that's amazing ❤️
The Quran and hadith are clear regarding astrology and all forms of fortune telling. It is all haraam and believing in any of it takes you out of the fold of islam.
It's a happy day whenever you upload, brother!
Been waiting a long time for this video !! Astrology, numerology and occult sciences are fascinating during that time !!
true
I agree!
Re: ~3:15 All schools of thought within Islam, as far as I know, agree that certain religious obligations require precise calculations which rely on the heavenly bodies' positions and timing (like the start/end of Ramadan, identifying the qibla, etc.). So I find it ironic that certain schools would refuse to look more deeply into the movements and meanings of heavenly bodies (going beyond pragmatic purposes.) Might not one want to investigate why these specific positions of planets and stars mark such and such ritual? The way I see it, agreeing that all exists and persists through God's will-including oneself, other beings, and all else-implies an interconnectedness between and significance to every utterance in existence. Observing our relationship to surrounding celestial bodies is not so different from observing our relationship to our earthly ecosystems. Though I certainly would be weary of people claiming to have more insight than they might actually have.
What I believe as a muslim is that we humans know too little. There are greater complexities to this universe than we can ever even imagine to comprehend. And the lengths that we HAVE reached, i.e. through astrology and other studies, are not meant to make us want to indulge our curiosities further. What I have been told always, as a muslim, is that we must not go into the sphere of knowledge so deeply that it takes us away from God. Because being close to God, to us, is the goal at the end of the day. Not to say that 'Knowledge' is a bad thing. Thats certainly not the case. The first word in the Quran translates to 'READ'. What I am saying is that even though there are powers in these celestial bodies, we should not go to them for help or study them to the degree that it takes us away from God. To the extent that instead of asking God for help, we wholeheartedly rely on these celestial bodies. Yes we can study and observe them. But we must be wary of the fact that we're humans and we get easily enchanted by such intriguing topics. We love to "see" and "experience" miracles rather than have patience and resolute that God does not need to show us miracles every day for us to believe in him. Thats why going deeper into astrology is probably a bad thing for muslims. It holds the possibility of taking us away from worshipping God, and relying on these bodies to fulfill our need for experiencing miracles. Allah swt knows best, and He knows what is beneficial for us and what is not. Moreover, if muslims studied astrology to the extent that the west has done, it would have terrible implications for the muslim world. I personally believe that humans are a curious species that always look for reason and logic behind things they don't understand. To such a degree that when we do understand it to our best capability, its still not enough. The real truth is that we'll never know the full-picture. Only God knows that. So why not just rely on Him, who actually made those celestial bodies. Relying on Him will give us greater power than relying on astrology. Anyways, hope that made sense! Have a great day/evening :)
I love your work ! Will you still be making videos on the Picatrix and on alchemy in the Islamicate world? Thanks
Beautiful art work
I agree! Some of the art from that period is amazing!
These are facinating videos, one and all...I read an English translation of Parashara, ancient Indian astrologer; he suggested planets (grahas in Sanskrit, meaning "gripper") are not directing human affairs, but harbingers... he compared to palmistry, planetary positions in time are like lines on your hand, predictive of what fate holds- but lines aren't causes. Maharishi Mahesh Yogi explained Vedic Jyotish like reading one's DNA, genome- proteins aren't direct causation, more correlation w/ predictive value. He ascribed to time cycles of human knowledge, yugas, and suggested Jyotish practiced in 20th c (and 21st) is relatively useless, incorrect since Sanskrit writing are only descriptions oral traditions of knowledge, with out the true prescriptive power of chanted Vedic knowledge... anyway, many thanks!!!
really interesting video!
Dr. Justin Sledge from Esoterica has previously done a very nice video about this as well.
Hi, can you please let me know what is the picture (source) that is on minute 14:47? It’s very beautiful. Thanks so much for the content !!
Thank you too much for talking about topics like this and why not you making an other episode about the revolution in islamic astronomy like tusi couple or urdi lemma or astronomer like Qushajy or ibn shatir or al khafri and the decline of Aristote physics and ptolomy astronomy vision
Interesting, thanks!
The concept of Stellar rays / radiation is the same in African Sciences (namely the Ifa and buKongo faiths which form the basis of most African and Diaspora belief systems). I recently distributed wealth to friends and subscribers by harnessing the Urids meteor shower (17 - 22 December) which coincided with the Summer Solstice (22 December) in the southern hemisphere. This was after charging the written names of the individuals under several moon cycles and focusing the intent to flow to them. People will say it's "magic" but there really is no such thing. When you understand how everything is connected and how the elements, human vibration and natural vibration influence it, you understand how to make the energy of the Universe work to your will. Great video, keep up the good work 🪬
what is your process of charging them
Your talk about astronomy reminds me of specific sunnah ( sunnah means: following the prophet path ) which is fasting in “ayyam al bi’edh” (the white days) every month when the moon is full, it’s three days in the month, 14, 15, 16…it depends on the month, That’s because the tides of the seas coincide with the movement of the moon. The matter applies to human blood as well . Therefore, our religion legislated for us to fast in those days, and it is not obligatory it is sunnah as I said, The one who does not do it is not sinful, but the one who did it will be rewarded.
Islamicate astrological philosophy is so interesting. Thank you for this video. I can't wait to go watch Angela's companion video. For English speakers who are interested, Esme L. K. Partridge wrote an excellent commentary on Al-Kindi's 'On Rays' called Al-Kindi's Theory of the Magical Arts. It's a fascinating read and a great introduction to his philosophy. You should be able to find it online for free.
this was Great!
Astrology is not permissible in Islam but it has been practiced in the early days and even today in some regions. So that was a very interesting topic. Glad you made a video on the subject ❤💯
At it's core, I think all monotheistic religions doesn't encourage Astrology because it is more divisive than it is uniting. it's almost like both evil and good prayers wished upon a person born in a certain birthdate that successfully manages to be in all corners of life even how you should career. The doctrine it provides is as dangerous if not more dangerous than forms of religious extremism. It's a label, a judgement wished upon someone with all it's good and bad labels
@@sanskuy5472 divisive?? Which religions are more divisive than Christianity and Islam?? Get tf out of here with this bs
@@aranielleb7718 u dont know. The book Gives advice about how you should behave your neigbours from other relion. if some people don't apply this. don't throw sh*t on the religion. Have you ever look european muslims, center asia muslims? Religion born somewhere and grow other somewhere. Look all religion.
@@aranielleb7718 such an inciteful, well thought, instructive, indepth and gentle response to someone else's opinion 😆😆😆😆! Here's a hearty "fy" to you!!!
the Quran is nothing but astrology .......
I like your videos. Can you please add subtitles also .
Very interesting 👌
Great video! Will you make a video on Christianity in the Arab world?
So Tropical Astrology (which is what is practiced here in the West) ... or Sidereal/Vedic Astrology? Tropical Astrology follow the Traditional placement of the planets, while Sidereal works with the actual placement of the planets. ... It was also interesting to hear you mention Harran, which I've been reading up on recently. At one time citizenry from there made pilgrimages to the Pyramids; and, also, Abram was supposedly kicked out of Harran for going around breaking up statues. Very interesting.
Please, What books have you been viewing those pictures from??
Hej, ville bara säga att dina videos är väldigt givande. Hög kvalitet, går in djupt. Intressanta ämnen!
I was watching a vid once where the speaker mentioned that astrology was not banned because it was some sort of novelty..astrology was heavily weaved into the culture in some regards &just around at that time. and then there was a switch in acceptance where they banned the use of astrology. They were knee deep!! Also islamicate (medieval) astrology is truly where its at 🙏🏼
Thanks Paloma. Are you from California? I think I know you. Lol
Paloma if you ever find the video can you please share me a link to it? Thank you
I see it as it's Allah's bread crumbs. As in its a way we can have communication through astrology so we can have better understanding of ourselves as humans.
Like this phrase ; god has created intricate patterns inside and outside us.
I've seen similar charts in Timbuktu's manuscripts.
Wonderful!
Ilm Ahkam an Nujum, not Akham an Nujum. Great video and very informative!
Could you please do a video about Assyrian astrology/ religion (since I think they were some of the first people to use astrology) and how you can see tracks of it in eastern Christianity (most assyrians are Christian’s today) and it’s tracks in western astrology as well !
Super Hyped for this one :D
Would love to hear more about Samaritanism if you haven't covered it. I see you've done most Abrahamic religions.
4:52 not "Akham" but "Ahkam" أحكام but otherwise your Arabic pronunciation is better than I'm used to hearing from English speakers
A fascinating précis! Thank you 🌙☀️ 🌍 💫
I think it would help us better understand "rays" from other planets as "wavelengths" the planets emit.
As a Scorpio, I love this video
Amazing exactly what I was curious about
Benjamin Dykes has done a great job translating arabic texts from abu ma'shar and sahl ibn bishr. I would really like to see more contents about these figures and don't forget jabir ibn hayyan. Thank you so much, great job!
thank u sooo much, im so happy to have found u
The rays theory is interesting and I don't even claim it's false but it would be really interesting to see a scientific replicable procedure of producing and using these rays with e.g. animal sacrifice since the amount of animals in meat industry is so large that it's no problem doing 1000 sacrifices and seeing the results in hard data, if it indeed works. If however it doesn't produce any clear result it sounds more like an interesting story around a non-effective method than an actual valid explanation. Sound valid and being valid have little to do with each other sometimes.
😊...Great video, Filip! Thank you! What a pity that they abolished astrology...I am fascinated with Jyotish. My whole life, karma and dharma is so well explained in my Vedic chart.
What is the books of Al-Kindi that discuss about astrology?
Tiny correction: it's "Ahkam" not akham. Plural of Hukm. أحكام
I only watch your videos as your way of speaking is so calming Filip
What is your source for Ibn Taymiyyah saying that Astrology is a pseudo-science. I know that he forbade its study on the basis that it may be considered as polytheism. I am looking for a source where he says its a pseudo science.
Oh Id like to know as well
Outstanding medieval Islamic art for the visuals.
Having studied astrology, I've come to see it as a precursor to physics, an early understanding of the invisible powers of heavenly bodies and their effects on Earth.
Well alchemy was the precursor to chemistry
It seems like there's a basis to prove astrology using the current version of physics by matching the frequencies. Like Kepler and the Pythagorean school
@@grantaum9677 I concur. Given what we know of radiation, magnetism, gravity etc via physics, one would think that discovering correlations between astrological energy forms and forces and astronomical bodies would be highly achievable with our modern technology, tools and understanding. Of course astrological source material matters in terms of comparison for reference. I'm more familiar with 'The Seven Rays of Power', personally, having studied South Asian, and Indian philosophical origins in addition to Islamic, 19th century occult and more modern 20th century Western influences. The Seven Rays has thus far seemed to be most accurate in my experience.
@@merlinx8703 A wonderful illustration of my thoughts exactly. Past philosophers and alchemists were perhaps more in tune with the truth than we give them credit for. Perhaps they understood intuitively and through observation that the unseen forces we can scientifically prove today not only existed but influenced life on Earth. A thorough examination of this topic would thrill me to pieces.
Can you make a video about the Murji’ah?
Don't need a video - they are everywhere.
I’m a star worshiper 💫 I love my astrolabe too 🌟
It was always told to us that before the Prophet (pbuh) that the stars could indeed foretell an important event or something but after our Prophet was born Allah made sure that it wasn't possible anymore because the unbelievers would claim that the foretelling of our Prophet was the result of reading the stars. However there is a book from a one of thee most popular Turkish sufi sheik Ibrahim Hakki titled Marifetname where he wrote how to read the stars.
User1 No that is incorrect the stars could never foretell the future. It was the jinn who were able to go up to the sky and were able to listen in on the angels discussing the affairs of the people of the earth. But then when Allah sent the prophet peace be upon him. Allah placed stern guards with in the lowest heaven to guard it in order to prevent the jinn from ascending and listening to the angels. This was done to protect the revelation of the Quran from being heard by the jinn and then being passed on to the fortune tellers. There is no proof from islam which states that stars can predict the future. The stars can not predict the future The prophet peace be upon him clearly stated it is haram to predict the future and any one who does this or has it done for him exits the fold of islam. Abu Dawud in his Sunan with a sahih isnad from Ibn 'Abbas (may Allah be pleased with him), that the Messenger of Allah (peace and blessings of Allah be upon him) said: “Whoever learns anything of astrology has learned a branch of witchcraft (al-sihr)…” Al-Bazzar narrated with a sound chain of transmission from ‘Imran ibn Husayn that the Messenger of Allah (peace and blessings of Allah be upon him) said: “He is not one of us who practises augury or has it done for him, who tells fortunes or has his fortune told, or who practises witchcraft or has that done for him .Allah says (interpretation of the meaning); “Say: ‘None in the heavens and the earth knows the Ghayb (Unseen) except Allah…’” [al-Naml 27:65]
@@MohammedKhan-gn1qv Surah Al Buruj By the sky containing great stars Saheeh International Wassamai thati alburooj Transliteration 2 وَٱلۡيَوۡمِ ٱلۡمَوۡعُودِ ٢ And [by] the promised Day Saheeh International Walyawmi almawAAood Transliteration 3 وَشَاهِدٖ وَمَشۡهُودٖ ٣ And [by] the witness and what is witnessed, Saheeh International Washahidin wamashhood Transliteration Witness is exactly what astrology calls it Natal promise Constellations Allah's oaths are for pondering
Does the hings in the Picatrix Book really work? I don´t belive in such things...... :O
Easy answer: No... like magic and tarot cards, if it were real everybody would be doing it ... can you imagine the societal chaos?
Can you make a podcast with Jeffrey Armstrong ❤️❤️he is also a astrologer ❤️
Púca is also the Irish word for ghost 😊
Thank you 🙏 once again thid melting pot is alchemy in my head ☺️ thank you for the experience. 🌀