Islamist threats, Enoch Powell & the end of England | Historian Robert Tombs interview
Amidst the recurring threats posed by Islamist extremists against MPs, rapidly changing demographics, and the overshadowing influence of foreign wars in Gaza and the middle east on English elections, can England survive as a nation? To answer, Steven Edginton is joined by the historian and author of The English and Their History, Robert Tombs.
“It's not the case since the 17th century that quite small religious minorities have been able to exert a pretty startling political impact. You might think of Guy Fawkes, and the Gunpowder Plotters or you might think of the Puritans and the origins of the Civil War against Charles I. But, we did think, I suppose, that religion, or at least religious extremism had left our politics really, in the 17th century.”
“This was rather like the violence that led up to the Great Reform Bill, in the early 1830s, when you did have major public unrest, rioting, the burning down of the Palace of the Bishop of Bristol. A general sense of the country was on the verge of revolution, and the direct threat of revolutionary violence did really cow Parliament into accepting that it would adopt reform. The House of Lords was the one that stood out against it, but they too were eventually cowed, not so much by popular violence, though that might have happened eventually, but by the King, William IV, deciding that he would, if necessary, create peers to overthrow their majority.”
“This combination of what you might call legitimate protest, though, on a scale that we rarely see so repetitively, and I think in some ways the repetition of it is what makes the impact, mixed with a penumbra of extremism which could include violence, against individual MPs or against Parliament, or indeed, of course, it could lead to terrorist action of the sort we've been warned about as a growing danger. So I think this is a rather different phenomenon from that of the Suffragettes, the Chartists, and it goes back, I think I might say we probably haven't seen quite this since the 17th century.”
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Enoch Powell was only wrong on one thing. He didn't think that we would be foolish enough to import Islam.
True, but, in general terms, he covered this when he talked about the moves emerging to prevent integration in UK life: "now we are seeing a growth of positive forces acting against integration, of vested interests in the preservation and sharpening of racial and religious differences..." and then goes on to quote John Stonehouse's speech which uses Sikhs as an example, but we see the exact same thing with Islam in the UK. He would be shocked by the identity politics we see now.
5000 are indigenous buddy lol have fun exporting the strongest most true faith in the universe buddy lol
@@lfg6520there really isn’t anything funny about what’s coming.
oh dear enlighten me please... we're quivering@@shelleyscloud3651
And he underestimated how quickly the change would take place
He totally underestimates the islamist threat.
Secularized Western civilization is struggling to understand religious people. 'Fanatic' religious individuals are not necessarily villains; rather, they are often misunderstood. While for some, it may seem acceptable to allow abortion, for others, it is deemed necessary to try to compel individuals to save their souls for eternity.
@@croatianhistoryandidentity8261 The problem with making abortion socially acceptable and legal, is that more moral decline follows: trans-agenda, gender-confusion, use of hate speech laws against persons addressing others with wrong pronoun.
Me and enock didn't
Most westerners underestimate the threat of islam, primarily because of ignorance and deception. The deception is to call islam a religion when it is a political ideology and ignorance of the qran and hadiths, and the personal life of bro mo.
💯correct…Islam needs stopping otherwise they will slaughter all British…non Muslims.
What I find most concerning is that Islamic "extremists" have the tacit support of so-called moderate Muslims. Self criticism is highly discouraged in this culture.
"so-called"...well said
Correct
Absolutely
And supported by the communists ,socialists,and the Hard Left as well as some Mouldy old Disgruntled Socialists
@Joseph-ax999 - Not the mention the tacit support of Labour and the so-called progressive left!
Watched Enochs speech as a little girl. I instinctively knew he was right even then. Now look at the state of our beautiful country. I am so ashamed of Blair and what he has done to this country. I could weep.
BlaIr must be brought to justice. He should spend the rest of his life in prison.
The determination to destroy the nation was clearly enshrined in law in 1948. Blair (and the others) merely continued the destruction. No British leader has moved to stop it.
Under the last Labour government immigration averaged 250,000 a year. Last year it was 750,000 under Sunak. So it's not just Blair. The Tories have become even worse.
80 80% of the country is still white British, so don't start weeping yet.
@@jonathanshone5517if not now, when? When it's already too late? Enoch Powell was much derided for suggesting that there was even just one woman in Britain who lived as the last White person on their street. Imagine if he had used that speech to predict just over 50 years after he made that speech, the capital city would be majority non-British. They would have called him a lunatic, but yet he would have been correct.
I'm afraid this speaker is massively under-playing the problem. When I was younger, I would go to a nearby city and see a handful of ethnic minorities but never hear foreign languages spoken. I would never have heard people calling for Jihad on the streets of London for example. When I recently went to that same city for the first time in 20 years, I realised I was the only Caucasian person in the whole street. This was a very large main city centre street at night and there were no other native British people. I don't mind the idea of migration at all as long as it is controlled and as long as it is made clear to everyone who comes that they are expected to learn our language, norms and be subject to our laws. There are laws against calling for violence against Jews here but we seem not to enforce them out of fear of the religious group chanting for it. Enoch Powell might well have made it difficult to discuss migration sensibly but he wasn't wrong. He was just 40 years early. There will be blood in the streets. It's only a matter of time unless we can come to some kind of understanding. In a country where it is impossible to criticise Islam, I don't see how.
Enoch didn't make it hard to discuss migration sensibly, it was the hysterical response in the media to his speech that did that.
i agree. He appears to be pandering, and scared of saying the wrong thing.
@@tonycatman he fears what Enoch described in his most famous speech as "the chorus of execration"
It took the spanish 500 years of war and an inquisition to rid the iberian peninsula of mohammadanism.
The problem's no worse than it's ever been at any point in history. This idea that Britain has been some aryan uniculture is for the birds.
Islam is still living in the 17th Century
7th.
@@mikemines2931 Totally agree, the Islamic doctrine is a belief from thousands of years ago.
That Modern eh? 🤣
Islam isn't compatible with western countries . Even the Dali Lama has said Europe is the wrong destination for Muslims I agree with him
thats too modern. 4th Century is way precise.
Everything Powell said has come true...
And then some....
He said in 1886 the rivers would red with blood, he was. VERY WRONG
@@AllanHinde-mb2pr 1986....it was metaphorical - he was right - read the full script
Pity it took so long for some of us to realise that!
@@AllanHinde-mb2pr1968
A lifetime of studying and writing history and he can`t see what is right in front of his face in terms of the threat of Muslims in England and Europe in general.
No insight really
Tiptoeing around the problem. He writes very well about the EU and Brexit. On this he is much less convincing.
I think he sees it very well however as many other intellectuals and academics he cannot say it out loud
He's blinded by his interest in remaining a member of "polite society." He would not be the first to stop clapping after one of Comrade Stalin's great speeches.
A life of public subventions ?
The problem is the large scale introduction of an incompatible culture. Previous waves of recent immigration have been from broadly similar cultures (Christian) so assimilation has happened fairly smoothly and quickly. With Islam we have radically different values (consider women's rights or religious tolerance) - will integration happen or is a conflict inevitable? World history suggests cultural conflicts rarely resolve peacefully.
Integration has not occurred whether Christian or otherwise.
@@mrspoon6742 True, some cultures can simply coexist, mostly without problems.
We need a repatriation manifesto from a government. Sick of feeling home sick and I never left.
@@mrspoon6742 It has in Bradford. Jew's, Christians, Hindu, Sikh, Afro Caribbean all get on with each other, socialize, go to the pub, work with each other etc. That was until the Islamist's turned up in greater numbers & ethnically cleansed certain area's, many moved to different area's of the country through fear. I had personal friend Jew's & Afro Caribbean's who moved to Leeds & Sikh's who moved to Leicester. Bradford is now left with area's where Muslims live & Non Muslims live in other area's. There is the odd younger Muslim who do try to integrate but they are abused by their own community for doing so. They are normally non practicing Muslims who are forced to hide their westernization when their families & older relatives are around.
isl*m has never integrated anywhere in the world
What kind of historian is unable to be truthful and admit that Enoch Powell was right, on a far greater scale than he could have imagined ?
Is it a suprise these days? Everyone cowering in a dark corner afraid to say what needs to be said.
I think Enoch Powell saw clearly what would happen.
Maybe he wants to protect us from the reality of how bad things are, but we all can see it.
But the sheer scale of immigration is of utterly different orders now. I read that in terms of the Jewish immigration in Victorian times it totalled under 200,000 people over many decades. Yet now we have net immigration of 600-700,000 people EACH YEAR. In my home city we now have one MPs constituency that at the last Census was only 17% white English and in the city as a whole the native English are now below half of the population. Such change cannot be absorbed.
It’s more relevant to quote gross inward migration numbers since that is the subject. Everyone blithely talks of net migration which is misleading and loose talk. The migration numbers in are over ONE million per annum now. These fleeing are most likely the rich and well off and are being replaced by the other end of the spectrum. This should help to focus the brain, if nothing else can. The incoming will not be buying the homes of the departed rich. The rich were likely using private healthcare services, those coming in are heaping on to the waiting NHS’s lists. This will exacerbate in coming 15 years. It will not be a pretty sight. No, Farrago has not the slightest idea what to do about it? Nor does Suella. They have not even understand only deportation to 1945 status quo ante will return old Britain. This is the scale of the problem. By all means vote Reform but don’t descend into utter fantasyland and expect things to change. Happy Weekend.
@user-bs3f. It won’t be absorbed.The white indigenous people will no longer inhabit they will have no option but to move elsewhere. Lee Anderson is being vilified for his opinion on London and Muslims. Who’s ears and eyes are shut tight ?
It is possible that different people can integrate into the country. But it's the scale of the immigration and that many are coming from Islamic countries that have as we see on our streets each week have become a 5th column. THEY are not integrating but live in whole towns that are all Muslim. We see it in Bradford, and they have a huge influence in the city. The police are afraid of them and its plain for all to see. London is lost to the foreign nationals that have come in and their loyal to their own communities but not to Britan. How many of them sign up for the Police or the Army? It's come back to bite us and it has gone worse.
Pity The US and Canada where 1 % of the population invades us every year.
There were only max 40,000 Hugenots and they came over 20 to 40 years. We get 40k a year just on small boats! It we stopped The Spanish Armada these days then we would be called 'xenophobic' 😂
Who would have thought that a religion in which women are oppressed and sidelined, homosexuality is a sin, apostasy is a sin, and free speech is repressed would be a source of problems in the UK? I just love watching everyone pretending that they are incapable of playing join the dots.
Couldn’t agree more , it’s always amusing to me to watch these intellectuals doing their mental gymnastics and trying desperately to avoid stating the truth . They must shudder when remembering the fate of Mr.Starkey who dared state an obvious fact!
It always amazes me how out of touch our intellectual elite can be!
He is to some degree a coward. I don't blame him.
Agree 💯
Out of touch or viciously mendacious?
" a few radical types" he seems to say. He seems to forget that Bolsheviks were less than 7% of Russian population when they got into the Duma and took power months later...
He's the remainer elite mentality that didn't believe Brexit would happen and then the same establishment frustrated Brexit in Parliament and the Civil Service still do to this day. Open borders!
Enoch Powell was a prophet !!
Like Muhammad ! - :)
Around 22:30 Mr. Tombs compares I$lam uncontrolled flows with Irish and Italians of the past. They were Christian. I think he's got rose colored glasses, basically ignorant on the issue.
Or Mr Tombs is anti- Italian and Irish.
Enoch Powell comes to mind
Anyone else?
@@StarSprangledBanner Richard the Lionheart. Edward I Alfred the Great.
This is like the Trojan horse on steroids, except millions of Brits saw it coming a country mile off, yet politicians in their ivory towers just kept saying there's nothing to see here.
Brigadier Enoch Powell was a true visionary. Powell possessed the ability to see the eventual collapse of British society a collapse caused by mass immigration Powell was a huge intellect a man with abilities today's political pygmies can only dream about.
Society isn't collapsing because of mass immigration. People are suffering because of poverty. Nothing Powell said has come true.
Some interesting points. Would agree that a degree of integration is possible in some cases, but even if 100% integration of all immigrants were possible in 100% of all cases, the point is that there is far too much immigration in the first place and it needs to be stopped, and then a lot of people need to be sent back!
Forget it. The UK is the Titanic. Get out now. Can't recommend anywhere English speaking so I'd start learning a foreign language.
Willing to kick out the racists in favour of refugees
how many sink estates has this guest lived in. send him to blackburn for a few weeks.
What is a sink estate?
Yes, but that's a problem of economic decline. In parts of the country with more economic prosperity then people rub along better. The issue is how deprived some towns are, for white and non white people.
@@khar12d8 Bringing in ever more numbers from the poor and low IQ realms of the world will no doubt introduce prosperity into the depressed regions.
@@crikeymos22The equivalent to US "projects".
Well who's fault is it. The idiocy of Blair for example and the present migrant problems. Less factories less people.Its a worse country which is so overpopulated its a joke. Quality of life?Give me a break
Most Governments of any party have failed the British majority since the 50s.
The puppeteers are the guiding force. Blair is a non-entity.
The UK has 500 people per square kilometre , highest density in Europe.
@@spudwesththe Blair Institute is powerful, it is one of the big arms of the Uniparty
Mainland U K is the same size as Victoria, the smallest state of AUS.. Vic has one tenth the population of the U K ! That is; U K has more than ten times the population of our little state at the bottom. Tas has even less!
I am tremendously sad about the extreme dilution of the English culture. For me this country has bought us so very much for many centuries. On the balance of historical events and contextually British people are stoic, and good people
This bloke is not being honest. Enoch Powell knew exactly what he was talking about. Oh how he is covering himself backtracking.very crafty,.
The glairing difference between political and religious extremism of the passed is it wasn't imported unlike Islam , we have brought all this on ourselves by not fact checking what political Islam does to country's before letting down the drew bridge ..
So nice to see real journalism. I am super impressed with this series of interviews. It tackles tough topics with nuance and courage. I hope this fellow goes far.
His introduction to the interview with Rees-Mogg was great & the best example of how politicians should be treated.
Yes he's a clever dickie and knows how to give a balanced interview. They call him Steady Edgie in the trade.
I was born in Bath. My parents were Czech refugees from communism. For most of my life I have been told by some people (albeit a minority)to 'go back to where I came from', once they knew my name and ancestry. Whilst I have no problem feeling British, I am not and can never be 'English'.
I am 100% Irish ancestry but was born and brought up in Asia - Thailand, Singapore, Malasia, I will never be considered Asian by either Asians or Caucasians! Blood is blood and it goes both ways.
Come to Scotland. We tend to think quite differently.
@@alanbrown9178 I lived in Scotland from the age of 6 months and my sister was born there before my father was posted to Aden (he was in the RAF). I learned to speak English with a Scots accent, courtesy of my mother's cleaning lady, the lovely Jean Niblow
Assimilation is not the issue. This is about active hatred and terrorism.
English are a ,mixed race of Ancient Brtions, Celtic, Roman, Saxon, Angle, Jute Germanic, Viking, Norman French and so on.
Turns out to a rather cauwadish, warm rain of words... Same here in Germany. Was just curious to hear a talk from your country to that subject. All best British brothers and sisters. !
The guy lives in an ivory tower and does not live in Bethnal Green!
Guy seems out of touch. I suspect hes reading the Guardian on the sly
This man is a day dreamer.
Seems a nervous bugger on this subject.
The way I see it being English is ethnicity, being British is nationhood. So anyone living here permanently can be considered British whatever ethnicity. But English is DNA , like Scottish or Welsh who are also British
Exactly, i dont understand why some people struggle with this and dont understand the difference between nationality and ethnicity.
Same here. EXACTLY. Made me laugh when he said that 'unlike some nations Englishness has never been about ethnicity'. Utter BS. English meant and was white until very recent virtue signalling cowards started telling us otherwise. This is the road that led us to self-identities and having black Cleopatras, Hanniblals and Vikings on TV. Right, I'm off to Canada now to be an Inuit. Or maybe Nigeria. Quite fancy my chances as an Ibo.
English DNA? lol. More like Norse, German, Dane and Norman DNA. English is just a culture. And anyone can adopt a culture.
I am an Australian who came to England when 16 has lived & worked in London till retirement age. Last year I became a British citizen through the windrush scheme (one of the very few white people able to do so), so I now have dual nationality. I am happily British, but I cannot claim I am English, because I'm not, although I have Scotish & English ancestry.
True. Rudyard Kipling was born in India but wasn't Indian. Wellington was born in Ireland but wasn't Irish. Florence Nightingale was born in Italy but wasn't Italian.
Why do these discussions never mention Richard von Coudenhove-Kalergi and his 1925 book "Practical Idealism." In his book Coudenhove-Kalergi lays out his plan to create a new European racial/ethnic population using open borders and mixed marriages. He is recognized as a pioneer of European unification and the father of the EU.
Coudenhove Kalergi saw the rootlessness he felt as a means of breeding an easily controllable populace and incorporated this into elitist thinking. It's now being applied. Political Islam however is the unintended wildcard. Funding the Mujahedeen in Afghanistan and KSA funding Salafism their presence in Europe could be as detrimental to the so called elite as it is to the general population.
The problem Europe has now is the type of repression. Where has Islam ever given up its grasp on power once it has established that?
By force.
Reading 'The Story of Jihad' by Robert Spencer will tell exactly what we may look forward to in the next twenty years. The patern of behaviour is exactly the same whenever a hegira takes palce to a new country.
A throughly interesting interview very much enjoyed. Robert Tombs is wrong to say that we as English do not have a racial and National identity the Angles and Saxons were Northern Europeans the Vikings likewise, the Normans although settled in what is now France were Vikings of Northern European heritage. The influx of non Europeans mainly, most recently, from the Indian Sub Continent, East and West Africa overwhelmingly of the Muslim Faith. The most recent immigrants have not and do not integrate, dominate certain towns and cities and implement their own faith based laws and as such can never be confused for being English
He is fundamentally in error when he says 'anyone can be English'.
No, they definitely can't be considered English, but when it suits, they are definitely "British"
@@trevorjohnson2318 British itself can be considered a collection of related native ethnicities (Scottish, Welsh, Cornish, English, Manx, Irish).
Yes, and remember that it took Spain 600 years to get rid of the Moors!
@@FiveLiver if 'anyone can be English' then 'being English' means nothing!
We in Canada are suffering incredibly under Trudeau and his gang . Never before did we have people in tents! Our own people are forming “tent cities “or what we call “Trudeau cities“ We take in hundreds of thousands through a college-university visa racket. These people bring families and all end up staying.
Trudeau is close to the Agha Khan and has increased Muslim migration to dangerous levels under his influence.
What a silly comparison he is making between 1960s immigrants and the current. Whatever the western countries and Great Britain held dearly has been eroding.
Held dearly? What specifically?
Baptists didn't use violence. Please make that clear
This guy exudes weakness. Civnat delusion.
I greatly admire men like Robert Tombs, I have read many articles by him but this is the first time I have seen him speak. I would guess that he would be described elsewhere as pale, male and stale which shows how our culture is sinking. A civilised country would revere their elders for their knowledge and experience. Ours now gripes about white supremacy while overlooking the simple truth that it has been white men who have created the modern world. This is the legacy of our failing education system. When I was at school in the 1980s, teachers would spend more time telling us the evils of Keith Joseph than what we were supposed to be learning. Now it seems that the profession has moved on to our colonial sins and white privilege. I grieve for the country we have lost.
White men did not create the modern world😂😂😂😂😂😂
THIS GUY IS DELUSIONAL TO WHAT IS GOING ON IN THE REAL WORLD NOW..
Well after the Rochdale Bi Election. Powell got it so right. The UK Government has been too soft. We should have had integration to mix our cultures together. Not segregate. Sad day for Britain.
Oil and water will never mix, love. Next....
Notable the hiatus between the interviewer's tough tone of the questions clearly asked and the soft, almost soporific but skillfully crafted answers given, meant to appease and dull the nation's real pain to maintain its national identity and culture which is what is at stake.
This historian is a coward. He still can not bring himself that Briton is changing into an Islamic society, and in longbrun, British culture will disappear
British culture won't disappear. We're a secular and educated people. It's not like the Medieval era when illiterate peasants couldn't argue against religion. People aren't going to convert, or be converted to Islam anymore than people will become Hindus or born again Christians. Why are people so scared? I live in the UK. I know Muslims and non-Muslims, we all get on. Such hysterical bed-wetting by social cowards.
Ive enjoyed your talk. But i dont agree about identity. I think we shouid have one culture the British culture. Multiculturalism hasnt worked we have folk coming here living together who historically dont get on. We see the divisions and hate on our streets. I see a divided unhapoy country. Where the indigenous population are pushed aside. I don't think cultures who don't treat women well will ever integrate I admire your optimism but I think we are facing major issues.
Optimism or naievity?
if this is the level of conversation in the UK - nothing will change
doomed
Too much deportment, not enough deport.
I very much agree.
Get Starkey on!
Where is Starkey these days?
@@theoilandgasresourceportal2132 he's living in exile haha
@@HarryKay_ where?
Considering it’s supposedly only a minority of them that are extremists they are causing hell of alot of trouble and seem to be in many places at one time, not sure how that’s possible if there’s supposedly so few, very strange
That's because that claim is bogus. The majority of them are extremists and the ones who aren't fear to speak against them because the extremists will kill them.
ONE important aspect of the extremists, is they are usually organized and coordinated in several different aspects.. And all are very active. The elite leading the people, so to speak. And if necessary, they dont hesitate violence, or at the very least, threaths of violence. Open or subtle threats. While their opponents, the moderate ones voice of reason, are usually individuals without real coordination.
@@barneydenstad2148 Well said: people seem to forget that Communists were about 11% of the Russian population when they took over, and Bolshevik Communists even less...Yet, they were able to dominate the rest of the country and bring it down to ruins from which it hasn't got out in more than 100 years (and will probably still need 100 years more before that can happen).
@@ThenoobestgirlBang on!
I found info' saying that there are 5Million of the Blighters,Muslims that is, how close that figure is to reality ;I don't know,But if we don't get these people under control soon in the next 5 years, It's good bye Great Britain and Hello ISLAM!!!
Ironically Oxford University took down Tyndale's portrait, because he was deemed insignificant and replaced it with a less historically significant woman - .Naomi Wolf
Even if they'd put Virginia Wolfe's portrate up, it couldn't compare to the greatness of Tyndale's work and it's effect on our culture.
Watch immigration go up next year 😂
Just England? There are 3 other countries in the UK.
The other countries are tiny and completely irrelevant.
@@billybellend1155 Thanks for explaining so succinctly why Scotland should become Independent.
Agreed.
@@alanbrown9178 If only .......
Sadly so many of our young boys fathers and brothers lost their lives protecting this country during the WW2
Was all totally predictable from the start. Britain blindly walked towards a cliff. Now they've either got to fight to retain their culture or accept that they let it slip through their fingers.
We didn't walk the cliff's edge - we were pushed.
I really enjoyed his book but found the difference in attitude towards historical events compared with contemporary events quite jarring.
It requires those in authority to defend this country and uphold its integrity. They have been doing the exact opposite.
This old buffer is living in a very different country from the rest of us.hes hilarious.and completely out of touch with reality.
That's what money and privilege gives people
What evidence is there for Tombs's assertion that false narratives about immigrants are well-meaning?
The Vikings immigration was a few thousand people, the Normans conquered England with most historians agreeing that there only about three thousand knights . There can be no doubt that the current immigration wave is completely without precedent .
Huge treat? Religion of Peace!? Somebody’s ’s been lying to us!🤥
Indeed a classic interview and the analysis of this erudite and distinguished author is phenomenal. Only I wonder if his optimism of radical Islam is too romantic and in the liberal tradition of Grest Britain. Did he stay away from contemporary politics out of naivete, I wonder !!
Complacency
Rishi Sunak was born in England. That seems to be where his Englishness ends. His parents, not English. He chose to live in the US & he married an Indian. She, on legal documents has stated that she has no intention of settling (or paying tax) in the UK. I would be astonished if in 2 years from now, Sunak is not living in the US or in India. Sunak is importing vast numbers of Indian Hindu's (they vote Conservative). That is not in the UK interest. His first action was to do the Windsor Agreement which was not in the interest of the country he won't be living in. One of the first things he did was to go to the Indian sub continent & make positive sounds on the UK paying reparations.
Excuse me, but there would be no trouble If THEY WERE NOT HERE IN OUR COUNTRIES!!!
" Like the Roman I look ahead to this country with much foreboding and see the river Thames foaming with much blood." Uncle Enoch 1968.
Yaaaaaawn!🙄😵
Please get the quite correct, he never said the River Thames. He was quoting Virgil's Aeneid book 6, where the prophetess states "war, horrible war, and I see the Tiber foaming with much blood" The River Tiber, not Thames.
@@golfbulldog And why would he mention the Tiber if not to compare it to the Thames?
@@kreek22 because that is what the prophetess in the Aeneid said... had she said "wars, horrible wars, I see the mountain tops bestrewn with blood and corpses" he would have said that instead. He was using the image of a prophet foreseeing bad things rather than a riverine image per se.
@@golfbulldog No, it's because the misrepresentation is designed to foment unjustified hatred.
National cohesion is not a bad word. It pains me to see what is going on in Britain.
The British class system has gutted England from the inside.
Interesting point, because the interview doesn't mention class much.
Yawn.
It’s got nothing to do with class or the class system, which doesn’t affect opportunities at all like it used to
The only people who talk about the British class system are foreigners, usually from more class-ist societies. Lemme guess... Australian?
In the name of greed as always.
Where is the security check operating in immigration process
Massive tory spending cuts mean that such public services are safely in the bin.
Hand wringing inaction alone is in inverse proportion to the birth rate in Muslim households. Thankfully, I'll have been a long time upwards daisy pusher when talking isn't enough. I sincerely advise younger people to move to Australia, where they have politicians who actually have the backbone to act now, and have done so already.
This gentleman has his eyes closed
Hypocrisy and lies is the membership fee to academia.
Excellent discussion. I would have liked to hear recognition of the impact of the decline of the Christian religion, especially in the face of an aggressive rise of Islam. The elites have systematically attacked and marginalised our Judeo-Christian foundations. That way lies calamity
What is Judeo about Britain's foundations? Christianity is a repudiation of Judaism, the religion shed by Jesus and his disciples, all of whom were born Jews.
Nothing to do with 'elites', it's just that western europeans are educuted and cultured enough to turn away from such nonsense, freedom's a wonderful thing.
@@jonescrusher1 It's a case of the treason of the elites & the brainwashing of the masses. Many such cases.
@@kreek22 repuditation of rabbinic sect, not torah based judaism
@@fiditenemini2452 Before rabbinical Judaism there was Temple centered Judaism. Christianity repudiates both.
They are not entitled to do that in England.
He's looking at it from the historical perspective of English history. He needs to look at it from the perspective of the Indian subcontinent and the middle east.
He needs to study the Quran as do non Islamic decision makers/politicians to read certain immigrants' game.
The main reason that excites pro-Palestinian demonstrations is the antisemitism, the anti-Israeli feelings.
“People who want to make their view of Palestine” what?? There is nor has there ever been any such thing as ‘Palestine.’ Get your head out of the sand.
What an ostrich. Intergrated my foot. With all due respect what world does this gentleman live in? This is alarming. Wake up
I wonder if this chap was a tightrope walker in a previous incarnation? I feel the ground move as Enoch turns in his grave!
Why do our politicians and Home Office civil servants continually act to undermine the country?
its insulting to the irish who were ex-british !!! jesus britain is lost
It is hardly surprising that this is the state of our politics, where the families of the nations the comprise the UK are disregard for this foreign issue. The combination of the long established disproportionate influence of the Jewish population on British institutions with ther rapid mass importation of Muslims population to the point where there are more in the UK than the combined native populations of the Northern Irish, Welsh & Cornish; which equates to as many, or pehaps more than the native population of Scots. Who'd have thought the known mistakes of the times of the Dane geld & the Dane law would be knowingly repeated; this time, however, integration & assimilation are not possible for overwhelming majority given the disregard & disrespect for the native peoples.
In Canada I’m not a Canadian I’m told. I’m a settler on stolen land with my maternal family having been here for centuries.
"Immigration is as English as tea", he says. "It can be said we are a nation of immigrants", he argues next. He proceeds to mention the vikings.
This "historian" seems to minimise quite a lot of history . He blithely skips over many of the problems caused by the English government and religion themselves in the last few hundred years.
Integration hasn't occurred Commonwealth or not. This is more of the same. What an utter prat Tombs is. We're doomed if this is allowed to be the conversation. That said he sounds utterly irrelevant and a sad echo of the past, a liberal Colonel Blimp, so maybe this liberalism can bw brushed aside.
How is the Monarch non-ideological and non-religious?? It is purely Anglican Protestant.
Enjoyed the interview but his opinion on what we here in Ireland think about what we define as Irish is way off...
I do understand why a lot of ppl won’t fight for this country. Well why would they?
I am always amazed how some of these "experts" can know so little of the issue they are talking about. Scary to realize that immigration policies are based on nothing more than unchecked assumptions.
"young men" - more accurately fighting age men - a category that exists for a reason - it doesn't take many of them, if they are so determined, to take over a country.
By pretending that peoples who haven't always been here, have, we are creating a rod for our own backs much as happened in Israel with the Palestinian myth.
Interesting, but there is Englishness, Scottishness. etc and Britishness. British is inclusive. . The other definitions are ethnic. I am sure Mr Sunak wouldn't call himself English The vast majority of people coming to the Uk are coming for economic reasons ,not cultural or religious ones . The economic upgrade from South Asia and Africa for those coming here is enormous . They and relatives are fully aware of it . This concentrates the mind on money , not ethnicity or culture. However many are still intimately connected to their homelands and often draw the next generation from there. There are substantial groups who have next to no social, linguistic or cultural contact with the host population.
As a Continental myself, of the Iberian persuasion, I find it baffling that a spoof song called "Sunak, Sunak" hasn't yet be recorded, with a video where loads of prime ministers would be dancing in different coloured suits.
It is entirely disingenuous of the interviewer to compare the IRA mentioned at 4:08 to what is currently happening in the UK today in regards to Islamic radicalization . The IRA had never in it's history sought to bring down the UK establishment per se save for the Brirish occupation in the north of Ireland. The existence of the IRA was to solely dis-establish the UK's hold on what they rightfully and correctly deemed as historically Irish territory . Most of the English population polled over decades concurred with that claim contrary to the parliament of the UK. The radicalisation of Islam in the UK will conclude with an internal civil war within the UK, and that is the supposition being discussed here . Robert Tombs is correct in comparing the dangers of today's UK potential for civil war with the 17 century radicals of Guy Fawkes and Oliver Cromwell and their Catholic and Putitan militant radicals respectively. Radical Islam and their militant supporters have both openly declared their intentions to surplant the UK parliament and it's citizenry with their radical religious beliefs and tennets. This was never the case with the IRA. The claim for Irish independence never in it's historical struggle conceived or had as it's core tennet the idea of promoting a UK civil war, the take-over of a UK parliament, or radicalisation of its citizenry to a religious or political pursuasion, but merely for the withdraw of UK occupation of Irish territory. Their is no compromise with Guy Fawkes' ideology, Cromwell's ideology nor radical Islamic ideology. Their was compromise however with the IRA, and it's proof is in today's established and long reigning peace accords and government shared by both sides of the conflict that we enjoy today in the north of Ireland.
Anyone who watched Sunak's speech today can only come to one of two conclusions: a) He didn't want to sack Braverman and Anderson. b) Every word he said was a lie. Both can't be true.
Tombs is absurdly optimistic and somewhat misleading in comparing limited European immigration to mass third world migration.
This guy seems fairly out of touch
The Starkey effect!
Colonisation by Islam
What's he going on about Guy Fawkes and puritans for, he has to be politically correct
These politicians have not tried to help stop this issue happening. Now they want extra money for their protection
This is an apologist for the intolerant culture that's been allowed in. This is by design in all Western nations.