Lawyer & Doctor React to Grey's Anatomy Malpractice ft. Doctor Mike
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If the sponge is lit, you must acquit 🧠🧽 🔥
I just came over from your vid love your channel
Yes haha
Mhm, loll
Haha nice
more! do scrubs! i want you and eagle to sing over the rainbow duet! :D
"Then why do they keep talking about the sponge?!" "I don't think... he's a good lawyer." I'm crying.
That timing on that delivery was so perfect lmao
It killed me!
he wasn't even being mean. that's the worst thing you could say without being mean. the guy just SUCKS
"What happened to the post-op sponge?!" "I guess we'll never know..." Post-op sponge currently in the Bahamas after getting away with murder.
the sponge is actually the main character in the show "How to get away with murder".
With it's secret bank account in the Caymans
I heard the post-op sponge is the head writer for Greys Anatomy.
😅😆🤣😂🤣😅😆🤣
That's the real scandal.
LegalEagle: Lots of negligence, which I love to see. Doctor Mike: Lots of negligence, which I hate to see.
Doctor: Crap! Crap! Crap! Lawyer: Dollar signs! Dollar signs! Dollar signs!
@@Blasted2Oblivionyou literally just copied the part 1 video
xD
@@Blasted2Oblivionand that is why lawyers are the worst humans on earth
@@helv2000 Bro what
The fact that all these legal mistakes in the script could've been fixed by a first year law student says a lot about the writers not giving a shit about their show.
Or someone who watched Legal Eagle. Even I was yelling "objection" and "you can't just walk into the well of the court and talk to the jury".
@@taylorgoff2099 The bailiff *will* tackle you 😉
Maybe I'll go to law school and practice as a tv consultant 🤔
There's a lot of medical mistakes on this show. A medical show. Would you expect different with a law based storyline? Aha.
@@ButtonsCasey It’s unfortunate. I suppose that fans of the show generally don’t care too much about medical accuracy, but my sister took some medical classes in high school because she was a fan of the show and wanted to know if medicine was her field, and ended up realizing how inaccurate the show was.
And now that sponge is driving off into the sunset having just committed the perfect crime and never getting caught.
This literally reminds me of the early days of oral implantology, we were working on patients back then with an implant designed by LEADER (well over two decades ago, very ancient design compared to their current implants) and we used them on probably over 100 patients before we realized that there was something wrong with the implant, cases of the patient suffering from sub-gingival infections, spontaneous implant failures well before their expected end-of-life operation, etc. and we later decided to compile all of our cases (while protecting patient confidentiality) to submit our findings to the manufacturer as well as the international dental community (which back then was quite difficult) and later on the phenomena was called peri-implantitis. LEADER had to recall their implants and thanks to our contract with them we were able to pay reparations to our patients and offer implant removal +bonegraft restoration to them without bringing us into bankruptcy. we continued to work with them for a few more years after that when they released better and safer implants, but also started to use other brands from nobel biocare, alphabio, straumann, dentsply sirona, zimmer biomet, q-trinon, hi-ossen, neobiotech, etc to diversify our portfolio.
Smart. Maybe the cast of how to get away with murder should take notes.
🤣
legends say he settled in a place called bikini bottom and changed his name
@@sozetsukokai9327 i always knew spongebob squarepants was a made up name.
Seeing a doctor and a lawyer, often mortal enemies, come together to trash a TV series, brings a tear to my eye.
It's a pretty bad sign when a TV show can be totally trashed from two different professional angles
@@lukebuchwald9252 Writers: Allow us to introduce ourselves
Now imagine if you had an engineer there, the trifecta is complete
and now imagine if there was a plumber there. no real reason, they're just there.
Why are a doctor and a lawyer often mortal enemies? Their job isn't directly opposing each other, so I don't get it
“We’re ready for surgery” and “let’s dig in” should never go in the same sentence
well too bad mate, Ima bout to do it "We're ready for surgery. *reading* Heh.... Groin surgery... *normal volume* Alright everyone, let's dig in." In the worst possible way.
@@jeb156 ?
@@funkaddictions oh PLEASE, it's not like HELP is that far away from ME, maybe a block or 2.
Exactly!
I’m gonna take a wild guess and say you’ve never been anywhere near an operating room lmfao
Every time I've been in a hospital, I never slept. There were a plethora of people who came in every hour or less. The times I was in a teaching hospital, it seemed like there were a hundred people in my room all of the time. If I asked for a blanket, ten people wanted to know why I felt cold. It's impossible to be ignored long enough for someone's legs to turn black without anyone knowing about it Edit: Thanks for all of the likes! ❤️
Yeah, from what Dr. Mike described, it seems like no patient would get any sleep because there just seem to be constant checks and exams and questions. So, does not seem at all believable that any symptom could get that bad before it was noticed.
@Kiara Animefan I didn't mean to come across as if I don't appreciate being checked on. I just pointed out how impossible it would be for hospital staff to miss this sort of issue based on my experiences. It's annoying, but necessary.
My mom had to be kept in the hospital for a DVT. I visited her on her fourth or fifth day (the day she was to be discharged), and only was there for a few hours. In the span of that time about 3 different health workers came in and introduced themselves to check on her and make sure she was good to leave. She literally was healthy enough to go and they still wanted to make sure she was good. I can't imagine how often they would check on someone with confirmed heart problems, an active infection, and a necrotic leg. It's ludicrous (and the reason I don't watch Grey's Anatomy).
Not at Darnell Army Medical Center. You could sit there for 30 minutes to an hour minimum, in the ER, before someone comes to check on you, usually longer. Smh
It depends on what you're in for as well. I've had a few open heart surgeries for congenital heart disease. When you first out of surgery and into the ICU there's practically always 1 if not 2 people tending to you, because if you're in the ICU you're probably in bad shape. But other parts of the hospitals watch you less frequently, but still definitely send people in to watch you.
"The *prosecution* rests" DJ: (Inhales half the air on planet Earth)
@Bhoomi naw, she's not guilty
@Bhoomi you can't get jailed in a civil case lol, only in a criminal case. the case here was a civil case to see if the doctor was liable for damages or not, so the only verdict could be "yes she is liable for damages" or "no she is not liable for damages"
10:25 In case anyone was wondering.
@@emyyyuu Basically they tried so hard to adhere to law trends in movies, forgetting that most of those are criminal cases in the first place 😂
@@emyyyuu Objection! You can get jailed *in* a civil case, although it's true that you can't get jailed *as a result of* a civil case. But if you're in a lawsuit and refuse to hand over information to opposing counsel, the judge can hold you in civil contempt and send you to jail until you comply.
This is just Dr Mike being completely lost for 20 minutes while Devon is outraged by every bit of legal jargon spoken
Honestly, Dr Mike is throwing around a lot more obscure knowledge than DJ is. The dual specialization thing is worse than the "prosecution rests" WTF: most people have a clear idea of the difference between a criminal trial and a civil lawsuit (Dr Mike certainly did), but figuring out why a vascular surgeon and an orthopedist are unlikely to be the same person is... Somewhat more esoteric.
@@o0alessandro0o Well if you just think about it with less big words, they are just completely different fields
@@sleeplessdistrict3897 That is as it may be, but "thinking about it with less big words" requires enough understanding of what each of those two specialists does to explain at least their general field using the aforementioned small words. Generally speaking, I don't think J. Random Passerby on the street can necessarily do that, at least not to such a degree that it would immediately appear unusual to them that it would be unlikely for a doctor to specialize in both. Hence my qualification on Doctor Mike's knowledge as "somewhat more esoteric".
@@o0alessandro0o Stop tryna sound smart lmfao. Just say you are a sour grape and get on with your miserable life lmfao
@@Blinkonceifyougay You kidding? That was a reasonable and well phrased viewpoint. I think he's right too, having heard both sides. If you don't understand the big words you won't be able to paraphrase into words that a layman can understand. If you don't have a reasonably clear idea of what an orthopedist or a vascular surgeon does, you won't be able to say that they are just completely different fields. I thought both experts handled this very well. I would like to see more of this.
“Objection: where is this going” is not recognized by the federal rules of the court. This series is great.
Honestly, it's a pretty common objection. It's basically an informal way of objecting to relevance. Most judges know the rules of evidence very well and don't need lawyers to cite them the exact rule. A lot of times the attorney only needs to say objection and the judge will say sustained because it's a pretty cut and dry violation of the evidence rules. I don't really have a problem with this objection. Arguably, it's kind of a speaking objection (which is an improper technique of making an objection and then using that opportunity to make some sort of argument or commentary about the question or testimony, sometimes as a means of telegraphing to the witness what to do next). I don't think this really gets into that territory. But Hollywood loves speaking objections in dramatic court room scenes. Basically, they love to take the closing argument and make it at all kinds of inappropriate times (eg, during the opening, during objections, while questioning the witness, or just randomly talking to the jury in the middle of the case for no reason). That is the stuff that really drives me up a wall. In terrible courtroom scenes, yes, I am that guy who is shouting out objections at the TV.
@@brendancurtin679 You sound fun to be with in courtroom dramas (I say this sincerely, because I do the same thing shouting objections to tropes and such, when it comes to my favored genres)
@@shilohmagic7173 haha. Well, thanks. Honestly, I usually bite my tongue most of the time. But if it's just my wife or parents or something, I don't. In those cases, I also don't bite my tongue about terrible screenwriting. My wife told me I've ruined crap TV shows for her. I don't think it was just me pointing about terrible, lazy writing in crap shows she tried to get me to watch with her so much as it was her really liking shows I got her to watch with me that had, IMO, very good writing. We would have to pause them every now and again (especially earlier episodes) for me to explain some things and also let her know what I'm thinking at that moment as to what might happen or why something might be important later, etc. I think that kind of helped her to appreciate some of the subtleties of good writing (and then notice the lack of it when she was watching some thrown-together, half-assed show on Netflix without me). And before anyone accuses me of being a mansplainer, my wife is from another country and english is not her first language. I miss way more stuff watching a show/movie in Spanish than she does in English, both because of the language and because of cultural stuff, too.
@@brendancurtin679 Very cool stuff!
What Dr. Mike says at 7:44 is so true. My grandma (from my mother's side) passed away due to medical negligence since two different doctors from two different facilities made mistakes, the first obviously didn't kill her but worsened her health condition, while the second one put her in a coma until she passed away on Christmas night 2018. The first doctor never said a thing to us, like, not even a word, so imagine how my mom felt knowing that she spent so much money, time, and effort to get a good doctor to help my grandma and that was all in vain. Instead, the second doctor apologized immediately and asked my mom to have her phone number so he could keep her updated, heck, he even confessed to us that he spent nights crying bc of how guilty he felt. We invited the second doctor to the funeral and we still have a good relationship with him. I personally hope that he has been able to forgive himself and that the mistake he made does not prevent him from continuing to save lives.
My paternal grandmother was killed by medical negligence. While she was hospitalized a pharmacy tech couldn't make out a prescription that had been written for her. As it was 1992 scripts were still handwritten. Rather than asking the prescribing doctor to clarify the tech took a guess what the scribble meant and guessed wrong. My grandmother was given heart medication she did not need. Instead of admitting that someone had made a mistake the hospital attempted a cover-up. My dad's younger brother hired a local attorney to represent the family, sued the living hell out of hospital and won.
Similar story here. My grandmother was having issues with a bloot clot and they wanted to take an x-ray, but she wouldn't fit in the horizontal machine, so they tried standing her up. She had a heart attack and died. (I think. It was something like it. I was six at the time and it's been a few years since I heard the story.) My parents said the doctors were crying when they came downstairs to apologize and my parents comforted THEM. Partly because my grandma was ready to go, but also because they were so apologetic and were willing to admit they were wrong.
I’m so sorry for you and your families loss. It warms my heart knowing you we able to forgive him, and still have a close relationship with him. Mistakes happen, but you can only learn by mistakes! ❤️
@@starsun6363 That’s not medical negligence
Sorry for your losses And being a doctor in that position must be so hard
Olympian: *career ruined, body permanently changed, lost limbs* LegalEagle: “dollar signs, dollar signs, Dollar signs”
Its a civil suit, money is the remedy. If it was a criminal case, the lawyer would be saying "prison prison prison". Doctor could lose her career, her legs can't be chopped off.
I mean, I'll never get the gold, but at least some good greens.
I think the term you're looking for is DOLLA DOLLA BILLZ Y'ALL!
@@yabadabadue7889 nah,the one shouting prison prison prison in a criminal case is the prosecutor,the lawyer will shout not guilty,acquitted,or something on the same line,while the public defender will scream LET ME OFF MY MISERY while being buried in a mountain of case files
@@yabadabadue7889 correction, her legs WON'T be chopped off, cause I'm pretty sure a good solid swing from something sharp and heavy will take them clean off
-“Can an apology actually heal our wounds” - “Not literally” Dead 💀😂😂😂😂
- "Dead" - not literally see what I did there 😏
@@Anna-fv9cz “See what I did there” Literally😏
So was trevors legs
*Doctor:* Sorry I accidentally cut your arm off. *Patient:* Oh that's okay, we all make mistakes! 😊
@@wherefancytakesme LMAOOO
I’m disabled and chronically ill, the amount of times I’ve been admitted to hospital is ridiculous, they NEVER leave you alone for even an hour
I had a small operation they were checking almost every 15-20 min
idk, I spent 4 days in the hospital a few years ago for an unknown infection in my legs and I was left alone for hours at a time. I was only checked on when my I.V. needed to be checked or I was brought to a different wing to have more tests ran. There was always nurses and doctors out in the hall, if my rooms door got left open and I didn't get up to close it myself I could hear people going up and down the halls, but they rarely bothered me unless my I.V. beeped or I actually called them in.
Can u please tell me which state u live in so I can move there. When I was in NC I got left alone with what turned out to be kidney stones for so many hours that my bf had to leave me there alone, screaming, to go to work (they were not good doctors, he was not a good bf, lol). I'm talking full volume screaming like I was giving birth, nary a nurse in sight.
@@solitarelee6200 I’m from Victoria in Australia
this confuses me. i'm disabled, i have a severe progressive disease. they do leave you alone here. they only wake you when necessary.
Remember - the PATIENT specifically asked for that brand of hip replacement and was set on that brand alone! He went into surgery knowing full and well that his surgeon had never done that exact procedure before. Post-surgical complications are very real.
💯
“I don’t think he’s a very good lawyer.” Sums up this entire thing lol.
@Doctor Mike huh i think thats the first time i saw a fake doctor mike, usually bot accounts pick someone more famous to pretend to be. You sure your not Justin Beiber or John F. Kennedy?
@@thelaw690 lol
awww the fake dr. mikes comments got reported and removed :O
I don't think it's a very good serie
The sponge was a misdirect; it's meant to distract the audience. It's like how in the forensic classic series, CSI, they will show multiple possible suspects to keep the viewers asking "whodunnit???". In this case, the sponge acted as a false suspect so that the "big reveal" (that the hip itself was defective) became much more weighty.
the red herring.
Basically, just MORE bad writing.
It makes sense that's what the writers wanted to do. But it's so forced and badly written, the result doesn't make any sense whatsoever. The jumbled up order of scenes is another red herring then about the bad writing. If the episode went in a chronological order, then it would be clear as a day that it makes zero sense for anyone to talk about the sponge in court when all of them knew that it was the faulty hip before the trial even started.
@@andrasszabo1570 Arguably leaving in the sponge could be part of a pattern of incompetence but yeah no, it really doesn't make sense.
Such a silly plot gimmick lol
"I don't think he's a good lawyer" 16:24 this part cracked me up so much
Agreed
Same 😂😂😂
I laughed when Dr. Mike right after that put his hands to his face, laughed and was like “That’s such a problem!”
As a law student, I cracked up when he said 'prosecution rests' in a civil suit😂😂😂😂
The lawyer got confused, he was in the wrong court room 😖😂🤧
So much facepalm.
@@Sergote12 To be fair, him being extremely confused would explain a lot.
Very unrelated, but I love your pfp (directioners for life ♡)
Does anyone get to know what the verdict was after a settlement is reached other than the judge? Edit: In real life.
My mom 2 years back, had 2 stints put near her heart, a week later she had a heart attack. She is fine but the Dr. can to her in tears talking how he made a mistake and should've put in 4. She said well, looks like you need to put in 2 more, huh? Him apologizing like that made a huge difference.
Your mom has a good sense of humor.
The more I grow the more I realized the sooner you admit to your humanity, the quicker others are reminded of theirs.
@@akkiko amen to that!
Thats great and all, but the cardiologist was probably correct. Unless a patient is having an active STEMI and the coronary stenosis are not amenable to CABG, it is inadvisable to be placing so many stents. If the Pt has diffuse triple vessel disease, the most proximal lesions are PCI'd and the Pt. referred for CABG. If the LAD/RCA has diffuse disease with both proximal and distal lesions, there is far higher risk of restenosis, coronary artery dissection and metal burden from placing multiple stents. Most commonly, patients will have the primary culprit (e.g., the most proximal, fractional flow reducing lesion) PCI'd and the distal lesions left alone so it can be reviewed during multidisciplinary meetings with CTS. Sometimes this goes wrong and the Pt. can form a thrombosis (partly because of the PCI and previous turbulence caused by the MI which promotes clot formation on the disease) on the distal lesions and have an inferior STEMI, but this is hard to predict and it is not advisable to just be placing stents on every stenosis you can see.
@@lachyt5247I don't understand what any of that means but the point remains that showing humility and apologizing to patients if you made a mistake, or even if you don't apologize just explain where you could've gone wrong or where you misjudged and the reasons you had to misjudge, goes a long way. Of course it's not possible to predict everything or predict how a situation will devolve or evolve, etc, but talking about that honestly with patients after they've experienced negative side effects due to your care will lessen negative feelings and will help them tremendously.
I love how often they switch between “this is the most negligent doctor ever, I would be a billionaire if I was a lawyer” and “she didn’t do anything wrong though???”
You know it's bad when both the doctor and the lawyer are just shaking their heads and sighing.
Yes! I remember starting this show back in HS, it seemed super interesting. But, now that I am a med student, I literally can't watch this show. You can't even imagine the number of times I saw illogical things in Grey's anatomy (I mean, illogical things when it comes to medicine). So yeah, after seeing how a Doctor and a Lawyer reacted, I am pretty sure I wasn't wrong when I thought that it's really bad, haha.
@@nargiza4281 --- the further you go in your medical training --- the more you realize that medical shows are pure fantasy!
@@tommitchell4570 yup, agreed, haha
@@tommitchell4570 Except, from what I've been told at least, Scrubs which just blows my mind.
@@tommitchell4570 That is true for nearly every profession
If I knew that lawyers and doctors get this handsome I would've listened to my parents.
Why do you sound soo thirsty ??
It’s truly not fair that these men are this good looking and so intelligent. You’re supposed to get one or the other not both… Talk about charmed existence
@@lukebuchwald9252 He wasn't, he was remarking that if he had listened to his parents and went into medicine or law school, he'd turn out handsome as well. Reading comprehension is a skill you've yet to master.
I studied extremely hard and got sufficient grades that I was head hunted by top universities to enter both their legal AND their medical programs. The trouble is, once they saw me on day one they realised I was not handsome enough. I'm now a garbage man.
@@Sassy-pants68 never compare yourself to others as hard as that is
Doctor: “…I guess I’m just gonna keep on getting sued because that’s who I am.” Hospital: *begins firing process*
"I don't think he's a good lawyer." I love that this is what most of these reactions boil down to, but for some reason hearing him say it bluntly is still hilarious.
You should never do professions just for the dollah bills
Getting medical and legal knowledge at the same time? Sounds like a great way to start the day
Love getting pounded from both sides by some medical and legal knowledge
Good lord, what a way to put it 😂
Legal knowlegde not legal advise
My friend's uncle is a doctor and a lawyer. So Dr. Lawyer
Or end the day, as I watch this at 2am
Now this is a dynamic duo
Agreed
Its a....deadly alliance...😂
What the hell?! Stop watching the same videos! It´s illegal to have the same taste in tubers! xD
@@tominieminen66 you watch trash taste, don't you?
@@CHEFPKR Trash man, trash taste ;D I think I've seen you elsewhere as well, other than your channel of course! xD As you somewhat like food, I'll give a snack tip; non-sweet peanut butter, with carrot and pear "sticks" It's easy to eat too much of the butter so keep an eye on how much you have eaten, change into quark after eating enough butter. Easy, healthy and fast snack Edit: I don't know if quark is the accurate translation but in Finnish it's called "maitorahka"
The intent of the story appears to be that this poor doctor was unfairly put into a difficult situation and treated unfairly for it… But the actual story is that the hospital and doctors totally were negligent and should have been found liable. No, the doctor didn’t _cause_ the infection, but they failed to do proper post op care or treat the infection properly, resulting in the amputation, which could have been avoided.
There's so much negligence in the post op care. How was the infection allowed to spiral so badly that it led to endocarditis and sepsis and embolisms that led to him losing both his legs? Screw the sponge and the surgery, there's so many issues that frankly the hospital and doctors are negligently responsible for.
All of this to say the doctor herself is not responsible. She is not the person for post op care
Basically, the hospital should be getting sued to hell and back, but this suit was filed for the wrong reasons.
@@qelizabeth_i_5013 The named consultant for the patient (who is likely to be the operating surgeon) definitely has overall responsibility for post-op care. They should oversea it and direct it. Other people can be negligent within that team, but they should pick up on that and correct it. Taking on that responsibility is why senior doctors get paid so much- the buck stops with them.
@@partlycloudy7707 Admittedly, infectious endocarditis caused by Pseudomonas spreading through the bloodstream from an implant is bloody rare and extremely unlucky to progress this quickly. This may not have been an avoidable amputation even with prompt and correct care with such an uncommonly aggressive infection. But everything else is barn-door negligence by someone (this can be in part or in full the patient if they have neglected to follow proper post-op care), and as a result it cannot be said that the care did not impact the end result.
8:27 This becoming common practice genuinely saved my life. If my mother had danced around the question like she probably thought in the back of her mind she should have, I would be gone. Instead, she asked, and it led to me getting genuine help. Y’ALL. ASK 👏 YOUR 👏 KIDS 👏 ABOUT 👏 MENTAL 👏 HEALTH
Why did you want to die
@@PRubin-rh4sr You should never ask people that question unless you know them well. The reasons why someone might want to commit suicide are incredibly personal.
@@ruralmetalhead ok dont answer then.
@@PRubin-rh4srit's not usually a simple answer. When you have an illness, it messes with your thinking. You could have everything in the world going for you, but your brain chemistry makes you feel like you're worthless and will never feel better. People often just want the pain and anguish to stop and see no other way. That's why good help is crucial. And it's true that you shouldn't ask someone this question. Much too invasive. It is ok, however, to all a general question about what people who contemplate or attempt suicide deal with. Don't forget that some people deal with severe depression for many years. It's not like they have had a bad week.
@@Tracymmothe final symptom of depression tbh. And I hate that for the world and unfortunately myself.
Things no one can locate anymore: 1) The lamb sauce 2) One sock from every other pair I own 3) Sponge
Well they're all in some patients leg. Now to find the patient.
@@malarie-susangold9259 the patient is running lose in the hospital 👀
@@DoramiSun well just let them tire themselves out, knock them out with anesthesia and then remove the items.
their sanity..
4) Cotton eyed joe
dude if you combine their faces i’m almost positive patrick dempsey’s face will somehow emerge
I can't unsee it...
... Young Patrick Dempsey, or old Patrick Dempsey?
I was thinking this the whole time. Doctor Mike actually looks a ton like Derek, all by himself
Holy shit!😳🤯
@@ElizabethAlleman middle aged patrick dempsey?
I practice in Chicago, this script is a joke. The "prosecution rests" was particularly egregious. The idea that she would have gotten off is dubious at best.
I mean, with the sponge being on the floor, if they admitted his x rays showing no sponge, admitted the information that the hip was recalled but the doctor was not properly notified, point out the patient suggested the hip and not the doctor herself, it seems she could almost completely shift the blame to the manufacturer.
I feel fof the olimpic guy, everyone who works for him do a shitty job: the medics, the nurses, the lawyer. the guy just can't get a break!
@@dinamosflams He wanted a procedure he did not medically need, he wanted that new and unknown as to long-term effects device, he wanted this procedure to solve his faulty movement that no one can garantee will actually do so, he wanted his body healed by a certain date, and he wanted it all ASAP. The Olympic guy wanted what he wanted regardless of the consequences. Well, he got consequences... bad ones, unfortunately... and the manufacturer delivering a faulty device despite knowing it was faulty is certainly the major party at fault, though, the Olympic guy shares some of that fault, too. She did very little wrong, if anything at all, once all the facts were known... and overall did many, many things right. Yet, she suffered mental and emotional distress for it all, anyway... and had her name dragged through the mud for it. 🙂
@@dinamosflams his lawyer in reality would of lost his case for him , he was badgering his own client and the defendant and as Devin said what questions did he ask ??
@@aferrelll except that apparently no one noticed his legs turn gangrenous until they were basically falling off which shouldn’t happen and if they notice that early enough they would be able to prevent or alteast keep the damage from getting worse which would have meant he would be able to snowboard again
Ha ha. I was a lawyer for 10 years and now I've been an ICU nurse for 6 years. I enjoyed this. Nowadays, I neither enjoy legal dramas nor medical dramas. Which encompasses most things on TV 😖
what an incredible career!! idek what to say that’s honestly so amazing
That is true, the only one (speaking as medical science student) is E.R. and Scrubs for junior Medical doctors (minus the sex.)
Wow. Amazing. Became a lawyer and now a nurse?
what about better call saul
My Cousin Vinny!
I think I speak for the entire world of Dr. Mike subscribers when I say PLEASE MAKE THIS A SERIES.
YES YES YESSS
Why only dr mike subscribers. Why not stop after entire world :P
HELL YES. This is a match made in heaven. Though how many cases are there for them to review?
I fourth this
@@JackCarver_Reporting_in Law & Order alone has a lot of medical cases.
This collab absolutely HAS to occur again. I will hear no objection. The best part is when you gasped at the writers not doing their research at all to know that a plaintiff's lawyer doesn't say "the prosecution rests". 🤣
Yes… They should do the plane crash episode! Who was really responsible, the negligence, the settlement all that jazz
Yeah, this is one of their best episodes for each. It's awesome seeing two highly knowledgeable professionals in different fields, each having a degree of charisma, collab for a video where there's plenty of opportunity to display their unique knowledge. A+
Agreed! There's so much media out there that deals with medical and legal stuff, this collab should totally be a regular occurrence. So educational and entertaining, def a win/win
@@Ladililn **Dr. Mike and LegalEagle move to live in the same city**
There's a King of the Hill episode that does involve medical and legal scenes (the one where Hank accidentally cuts Dale's finger and ends up going to court for that).
They need to do some House MD eps together. Ik mike has done some for House on his own, but there’s some good court malpractice cases on the show too that would be interesting to hear a lawyer side.
the sponge is a red herring in script writing, to keep you on edge on whether Dr Torres is actually liable
"The prosecution rests, your Honor." "Uh... Counselor? Are you sure you're in the right courtroom?" "Yes, your Honor." "... This is _civil_ court. There is no prosecutor here, counselor." "That's not what the jury thinks." "Should I send you back to law school, counselor?" "Not as long as the writers are illiterate about the law."
You've just been promoted to staff writer for "Grey's Anatomy". Congratulations.
He did say that he only went to biology college and failed tho
Reminds me of Catch Me If You Can: "... Your Honor, ladies and gentlemen of the jury, this is irrefutable evidence that the defendant is, in fact, lying." "Mr. Connors, this is a preliminary hearing. There is no defendant. There is no jury. It's just me. Son, what in the hell is wrong with you?!"
😂
If you both were to hold greys characters accountable to their actions, in a single episode everyone would be fired for medical malpractice 🤣🤣🤣
It would be hilarious to see. 🤣🤣😄
Even the lawyers. Especially the lawyers!
Since GA is a very girly show, I wish they took it one step further and have most problems be solved by the power of love or friendship.
@@PoochieCollins It would become a Saturday morning cartoon 🦄😆
Regarding apologies when docs mess up, my anecdotal evidence is one of my docs did not inform me of a diagnosis which had a pretty major impact. I really struggled with what to do about the whole thing. I ended up talking to him directly and his apology was so heart felt - you could tell he was embarrassed, upset at himself, and more. I believed him and continued being a patient with him because of his honesty and openness about what went wrong and how he corrected it. He performed surgery on me, and it went superbly. You can barely see the scar at this point, too. Other scars from previous docs did not heal nearly as well as this one. Not sure if he just took his time or what, but the whole thing was fantastic in the end.
yeah, that's a really good additional point. We have such a strange fetish in our society with harsh, immediate punishments. Everyone loves to talk about someone should be fired for that thing they did. But in reality, a lot of times, that person just learned a big lesson the hard way. Usually, they're not going to make that mistake again. And they're probably going to put in more work and more effort to make it right than anyone else. I mean, you have to get a sense of the person. If they are generally incompetent or extremely unmotivated, then you should probably find someone else. But at that point, that's the real reason you're letting them go. It's not a punishment for a big mistake. It's because you can't count on them to do the job.
"Why would they talk about the sponge still?" "I don't think he is a good lawyer" 😂😂
I feel automatically smarter after watching these two?
Maybe work on your punctuation lmao!
I feel dumber. By a lot. Not because I didn't learn anything, but because realizing how little I know
yes
Objection, not a question
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Surely if the hip was recalled, the manufacturer should have traced all orders that went out and informed the buyers of the recall.
in the episode it really is her fault. They sent her the data but never fully approved it and later sent her a letter a few months before the surgery stating that the clinical trial was being suspended due to a new infection occurring, (the same infection that led to the amputation). The letter was sent to her but she never opened it
this is all revealed at the end of the episode when she goes home after winning the case and finds the letter stating the trial was being canceled
@@anthonychaidez103 That still puts the manufacturer at fault, not her. The two experts in the video already touched on this point. Either they erroneously sent out a faulty joint (implausible considering the circumstances), or she received it before the recall and they were negligent in properly contacting the hospital. One letter is not sufficient.
@@anthonychaidez103 they're still at fault though cause all they did was send a letter. ONE letter at that. If something major like this was being recalled the manufacturer would have known where they sent them and should have contacted the hospital to let them know first then they could tell her. One single letter saying oh you know that hip you're about to use nah dont do that is not sufficient and would be considered negligent on their part
@@anthonychaidez103 dude, a letter??? What is this, victorian ages? How would anyone know where that letter ended up anyway?? Even when they shut down services when u don't pay ur bills they have to make sure u get the court's order, personally, literally in ur hands, then shut it off. And we're talking about a recalled implant... You would call the doctor, call the hospital, u'd find any way to make sure u reach her... If all they did was send a paper letter that's where those $$$$$ would be for sure...
I love that LegalEagle gasped SOOO much at the "prosecution rests" part, like it was the greatest sin in lawyering XDD
I love it when channels come together.
*Dr.Mike:* “Hey Legal Eagle, if someone gets a heart attack at this collab am I liable? *Legal Eagle:* “No.”
Lol
Fully expecting "It depends..."
Chest Compressions Chest Compressions Chest Compressions
@@Taurusus It always depends
You forgot to add "this is not a legal advice and this doesn't create an attorney-client relationship."
Maybe the real sponge, was the friendship we forge with other people all along.
Elaine Benes would agree.
@@slake9727 love it!
That' s deep.
_now this is heartwarming_
or maybe it was just the malpractice we forged along the way :)
Grey’s Anatomy script: “Can an apology actually heal our wounds?” Legal Eagle: “Well, not literally.” This man DEFINITELY has the mind of a lawyer 😂😂😂
I love these two together. Separately they're great but together, I love their chemistry, they bounce off each other so well
"I don't think he's a good lawyer" - sums up the whole thing!
Bad lawyer, bad doctor and they won somehow.
Came here to say this.
Well the other lawyer thought they were prosecuting a criminal case so I'm not sure either lawyers were better than Lionel Hutz.
"That's why you're the judge, and I'm the law-talkin' guy."
Wait a minute. The joint was recalled from the manufacturer. If that happened, the hospital should have received a letter (due to records of sale) about the recall. The hospital then would have removed the joint from its supply and notified all staff in the orthopedic department. Therefore, the joint would not have been available to use.
What if the recall happened during the time of his surgery? IDK.. the episode was hard to follow. I couldn't tell when they sent her the letter of recall... but definitely seems the manufacturer would be at fault here too
They cover that.
@Bhoomi No she didnt commit a crime
@Bhoomi This was a civil case meaning that no one was going to go to jail. The only thing at stake was money
I didn't know the context of this when I read this, so I thought you were talking about pot....
It was interesting that med students are uncomfortable asking about suicide. I’ve been going to therapy and getting psychiatric help for so long it’s normal for me to sit down and answer questions like that. I guess it can be weird to people who aren’t use to it.
as a therapie veteran myself I can only agree to that. I have to admit though, that after a while I came to know the possible answers and more important the reactions of different kind of people to those answers. And sometimes, when a person rubbed me the wrong way, I liked to mess with their heads.
Same. I'm so used to those questions. I think I know the list of psych questions by heart.
Y'all I loved this! Our Legal Eagle's utter frustration with the plaintiff's lawyer at 4:55 to 5:30 was palpable ("Object!"), and I couldn't help but sympathize while I laughed. And that gasp at 10:24 was absolutely fabulous. Devin owned this one... right up to the end, when Dr. Mike swooped in to slam dunk Grey's with the (absolutely correct) grade. Good show, guys!
Im not sure you're legally allowed to have this much jawline in one video
HAHAHA
fr like we have a chiseled jawline on the left and beefy man candy on the right
don't forget the insanely luscious hair
you could literally do surgery with them
Noice 😎
"Can an apology actually heal our wounds?" I mean...not unless the apology is written in penicillin.
Hehe
Hahaha!
I’m allergic to penicillin soo it definitely won’t heal my wounds
Actually I'm allergic to penicillin. Negative heals for me.
@@kennethboozer6148 Dude same!
04:54 I'm sure your client, former world-class snowboarder who's lost both his legs, really wants to hear about how you're thinking of taking up snowboarding 🙃
It's funny to me that I found LegalEagle by literally searching "dr mike but for law" and now they are collabing
😂
Any other "Dr. Mike but for ..." that you have found?
@@kg4wwn Dr Mike but for vaginas and you'll come up with Dr Mama Jones
Honestly their channels are exactly the same except with different topics.
It's the chiseled jawbone and BDE
Mike: So, why do they keep talking about the sponge if it was never in the patient? Devin: I don't think he's a good lawyer. I don't know why but that is the most real and hilarious thing said in this video!
yesss 😂😂
And also the part “it’s big swing and a miss” 😂
He's a bad fake lawyer lmao
Is it pathetic that I didn't know Legal Eagle's name after I've been watching him for at least a year? Yikes me 😬
@@alioh7615 : I can't remember him calling himself by his real name, so it's fair. I still don't know it. It'd be like if Dr. Mike always started his videos identifying himself as, "McStuffins," or whatever his fan girls call him, LOL.
I find it hard to believe that they would not have even discussed the possibility of amputation. When my husband had heart surgery they went through every single thing that could happen and we even had to take classes on heart transplantation and machines he might need to be on. Thankfully he never needed those things but still, they would go above and beyond to try to prepare you for anything.
I remember I was present for a vascular surgery where they were trying a new stent, there was literally a representative of the company there observing the whole thing and talking to the surgeons taking their notes on the product. I would assume that's pretty standard practice because it makes sense so the idea she just got her hands on this new hip replacement and no one did any follow up with her seems pretty ridiculous.
When he said "people settling on the courtroom steps" I thought they just beat the shit out of each other after the trial LMAO
Is that trial by combat?
That's how they do it in yakuza movies.
@@Pfromm007 MORTAL KOMBAT!
@@ohwowitsthatguy9154 fatality
Not seldom the case in Ankh-Morpork. Sometimes 'auxiliary lawyers' get brought in to help with the settling, which is to say that they help redistribute whatever dust is found on the court steps and ensure a nice even spread amond the tiles, your honour. Or so they would say on the next day of court sessions when the second case of Smaltwig v Roundrok were in full swing.
"What happened to the post-op sponge?" One of the most unanswered questions in medical history-
well according to Dr Mike it was the magic sponge it entered in from one side curved downward came out in an opposite direction maybe went back in and went out the other end 😅
Plot twist: it never existed
@@PACKERMAN2077 Ah yes.. the magic one sponge theory 🧐🤔
@@dalpz205 hit one of the other doctors as well... That's why he wasn't in the courtroom for questioning he is still in critical condition.
Intelligent men educating each other on their respective specialties is my new kink
What I got, that I think they may have missed, was that the letter wasn’t from the manufacturer. The letter was from another medical institution conducting a medical trial in the procedure. So there may not be a manufacturer recall, but these other doctors discovered the problem and stopped using the hip.
Is anyone going to tell them about Meredith and the insurance fraud in Season 16? 😬😂🤣🤣🤣
There was also a little legal trouble after Alex attacked Deluca then there was the big custody battle between Callie and Arizona that involved a lawyer and court hearing
Yes! I'd love to see their takes on it! Good one!
part 2
Omg yes
@@BeckyGreene1979 Riiiight?! Thank you!!
This show/episode not only hurts doctors and lawyers, but also decent writers who spend insane amount of researching to write accurately.
when I worked for visa signature I was told to never say I apologize but to say I am sorry instead, as I apologize is an admittance of us having responsibility, while I am sorry does not put that burden on us as we can be sorry about the situation they are in.
"She did hours of research" But somehow missed that the artificial hip was recalled due to infections exactly like the patient's.
I remember the recall happened after the surgery.
@@kennethhwang3425 If she'd done any research, she would have seen case studies of the peterson hip. If there was enough cases of this infection to warrant a recall, she would have seen it in her research, even before the recall was sent.
In the episode, she placed all her shit in the drawer and the recall one fell.
I don’t even think it was an actual recall at that point, or at least not actually stated that it was recalled, just that the clinical trial was stopped due to numerous infectious caused by the hip.
@@erica863 I thought the whole point of a recall was that they actually got the products back that they already sold not just from a warehouse/manufacturer level but from all the customers? Surely if they know someone's going. to get this thing in them they should contact the patient (if they have that info), and the hospital not just the doctor.
Guys there's another malpractice case that's even more baffling than this one...it's season 16 episode 8 where a panelist literally dies in the middle of the medical board hearing..you both should definitely check that out!
That wasn't exactly malpractice, that was the medical board reviewing on whether or not she got to keep her medical license. The Dr who was also the same Dr that neglected to save Derek's life by ordering a CT started seizing during the hearing and died later on the operating table.......I've watched grey's anatomy too many times lol
@@katie85705 I love how grey says get him a CT
What I find baffling is that show has 16 seasons.
@@hellterminator now onto season 18 bahahaha
@@hellterminator 17 now
5:25 Fun fact: In my country it's actually a recognized objection to respect the judge's time, if sustained, the party has to explain their intention.
Would love to see another collab from you two. Two of my favorite informative channels. Thank you for all the good information and the entertaining way you present it.
I can't with these two. They're handsome, well-dressed, has respectable day jobs, knowledgeable, and they fricking care about society. So much accomplishment you can't help but admire them.
💯
You sound awfully thirsty
@@lukebuchwald9252 Who wouldn't be?
Yeah, they are like a twin brothers.
I genuinely don’t know if being handsome is an accomplishment 🤔 but they are definitely quite impressive and knowledgeable
Dr Mike’s Channel (A medical one): Blurs out infection site scene. Legal Eagles Channel (A law one): Shows infection site in graphic detail. Lol
Please tell me Dr. Mike understood why leaving a sponge would cause an infection before it seemed to dawn on him here.
@@dalpz205 I have no medical training, but I would imagine a surgical sponge would be sterilized because if not it could cause an infection even when used properly. It could host existing bacteria in the body if left behind, but more likely it would not become infected, just get attacked by the immune system as a foreign object. The hip replacement should also have been properly sterilized, so I'm not sure why either would be the first suspected cause of infection when it could have come from any material that came into contact with his incisions until they healed. Infection control in hospitals is a high priority and the hospital would have been investigating to find out what he got infected by. Nurses are not allowed to have fake nails at the hospital I work for because they discovered that bacteria could stay on them and infect patients.
@@dalpz205 sponge absorbs fluids. Fluids don't go anywhere. Fluids rot and then boom infection
@@9ZweihandeR9 Makes sense. I used to work in corporate health insurance and watched too many medical shows where a foreign object in the body is bad because the body will see as a foreign object because nothing is 100% sterile. I am not a trained doctor either but you reminded me that with the hip replacement being a foreign object they might already be giving immune suppressant drugs to accept the joint which would also help with the sponge not being a problem. Not 100% on that tho.
@@dannuman6510 That's the first thing I thought. I was just curious why it wasn't Dr. Mike's first thought. He was actually asking something to effect of why would they think it's the sponge and it caught me off guard. Isn't Dr. Mike a medical doctor and knows about foreign objects? So that's why I was asking.
This was really really fun to watch. Colabs like this should happen more often! Excellent job from both and just you are both such great content creators and fun characters to watch
Plot twist: the sponge bursts into the courtroom at the last second as a surprise witness
"Objection! Where is this going?" is such a trope.
Is that not recognized as just another way of saying "irrelevant"?
I'll allow it
But watch yourself.
@@unclecreepy4185 mccoy
Thats some pheonix wright shit
Grey's Anatomy's legal consultant's experience was watching one episode of Daredevil while stoned.
That definitely explains all of those times the plaintiff went sideways and talked about personal experiences rather than ask questions-
I feel like that would give you a better grasp of the process than this episode has.
They played Ace Attorney a few years ago and just rolled from there.
I honestly loved watching the two of you rip this apart (metaphorically speaking of course).
I love it! I love watching both of your channels. Seeing you two together was awesome. You have made my day!
DM: Why do they keep talking about the sponge if it was never in the patient? LE: I don't think he's a good lawyer. 😂😂
😂😂😂
F- to pay respects to the sponge. Poor thing's name got dragged through a lot of dirt (pun intended)...
@@nesab2671 I laughed so hard! Thank you 🤗
Some say he is there to this day
R.I.P. sponge
I really thought I remembered it being under someone’s shoe? Maybe that was another episode?
Call him by his name: Bob.
This was a brilliant set of videos. This was such an indepth video and i loved the team-up for the vids. I live in a country where you cant really sue people, and i have no idea what happens with malpractice lawsuits (ill ask my pathologist tomorrow at work). even i could pick up on some of these mistakes of this episode, especially from the perspective of a lawyer. Its so interesting to watch both professions talk about whats going wrong
One of the tricky things about being a doctor is excepting that you are human and are bound to make mistakes. But that doesn't mean when you make mistakes you won't feel guilty and blame yourself. When you make a mistake, no matter how big, you will live with it for the rest of your life. In a medical situation where someone passed away, think of how awful the surgeon/doctor would feel and how they would live knowing that their one mistake cost someone else their life. It takes a lot of bravery and courage to admit you were wrong and apologize. On another note, I loved the video, and listening to you both trying to explain things in terms each other would understand!!
“Can an apology heal our wounds?” LE: “Not literally...” Objection! Legal Eagle is not a medical expert!
Maybe apologies can be distilled into an essential oil. They fix all your problems!
Over ruled, as that is not an expert opinion.
@@M0rbidCuriositea ah yes, my favorite essential oil, ✨distilled apologies✨
@@M0rbidCuriositea that was too funny
Overruled, it is plainly obvious to any reasonable person that apologies can't literally heal wounds.
I love seeing these two being interested in the other side and asking each other questions the other knows the answers to. I certainly learned a few things from this. Their review of the episode was great, the actual episode though, not so great.
Yeah, it's really cool seeing two experts in unique fields collab like this.
I mean it kinda helps them both in their fields.
Mike seems bored and sad because the lawyer keeps pausing
@@reality6880 I think he was sad because he was super confused about how they were portraying the medical side of things. I'm sure as a doctor this episode hurt to watch.
Yep! Ur getting both medical and lawfull education
I’ve both been binge watching both of these guys videos recently, and then I find this. Amazing.
from doctor mike and this episode was really good. its really nice to see experts sharing their opinion pointing out mistakes and how inaccurate drama shows are. for people like me who is not expert its nice and easy to follow explanation
I would love for this to become a regular collabo. Legal medical dramas are the best.
I second
@@amadarobles6415 I third😅
Yes!
100%!!
I'd love to see you team up with Cinema Therapy. A lawyer, a therapist, & a filmmaker might be too many people, but it would be awesome to see a long form reaction from you all.
This is the best idea I’ve heard all year
Wonder what the topic would be
Lawyer, therapist and filmmaker 🤔 maybe thriller like the criminal has mental problem and went to do serial killings
That would be so cool! I love their channel !
Oh my God I would die happy if the three of them reacted to My Cousin Vinny!
Loved this collaboration! Thanks so much!
Really loved this episode, thanks for all the legal explanations in addition of the medical stuff !
Would love to see a reaction to the Grey’s Anatomy episode “Mama Tried” about a custody battle of this doctor and her ex wife over their child.
YESSS I was literally thinking this as I’m watching this video
Oh definitely. I need to see that.
Yes please!
Yeesss!!!
Yesss that need to happen.
The cutest thing about this video is the fact that a doctor and a lawyer the smartest ppl I can think of are so cute a surprised and willing to appreciate each other and how smart the other person is
Especially because doctors and lawyers are normally mortal enemies.
@@EndlessSummer888 let’s be honest, lawyers are the natural enemy of all non-lawyers. 😁
@@johnpatz8395 Except when you need one
@@andrewforys to defend yourself from another lawyer.
@@johnpatz8395 from another person who hired that lawyer
14:35 “An orthopedic and vascular surgeon? I’ve never heard of it.” My dad is an orthopedic hand surgeon and does a ton of microvascular work. I’m not sure if he also qualifies as a microvascular surgeon, not quite sure how that works. Microvascular work is very important in hand surgery from what he’s told me. I understand microvascular surgery is different from vascular surgery, but they seem similar.
I’m going to be needing you two to collaborate ALL THE TIME. Loved you two together!!
I'd just LOVE to be a juror, spend days listening in a court, try to understand the case, deliberate for hours, to be told five minutes before reaching a verdict "That's OK, you won't be needed after all, they made a deal".
I was just thinking that. When Devin said that, all I could think was "holy shit! those jurors must have been pissed!". So many hours that they had to take off from work, or to do anything else all gone. I'd never want to be a juror again, and you can bet for sure that if I get called for another similar case I am going to be biased as hell.
@@YingofDarkness It is endlessly weird to me that you can have jury duty on all sorts of cases, especially civil ones.
@@ameliecarre4783 It's your right to a trial by a jury of your peers, at least in the United States in both criminal cases and civil cases where the value at stake is over $20.
@@galaxyanimal Oh yes I know it's a right. A constitutional one, I believe ? I just don't see the actual point, except for lawyers because it's easier for them to influence inexperienced, emotionally driven jurors (who think of themselves as very objective and rational) rather than a judge or a legal professional. But if it's a right for anyone to have a jury of peers anytime there's a petty disagreement over something, that means it's also a duty for everyone to be available to be a juror to sort out a stranger's problems. I'm not sure it's a duty every American citizen relishes or looks forward to.
@@ameliecarre4783 Yes, it's a constitutional right. For criminal trials it's in the constitution itself and the sixth amendment, and for civil cases with a liability greater than 20 dollars it's in the seventh.
The quality of hair between these two is more than enough for a subscribe
For reals 🤣🤣🤣🤣
Please do more, this chemistry is awesome, i really love it, Thanks both for the videos!