3.22.1 Meet the UI Team
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When half your u.i team wear glasses but can't make shit easy to read and legible lol!
@doctorno3912 there is a balance between having a UI with black font on white background and a holographic UI with ghosting text, ghosting icons, transparent back ground with lights shining through, moving elements. I cannot understand how anyone could think the first pass of the new UI was decent enough to put it onto the EPTU. CIG made some adjustments, but the new UI including the new star map is still not user friendly or decent.
I can't believe that a $700m dollar project doesn't have a ux designer overseeing this nonsense. Usability is King! eye Candy always comes second 🙄
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ok dev said he had a fine line to walk.. That tells me Chris wants it holographic and he does not care what we or anyone thinks . I have always said Chris is drunk off of our money. Chris is making drunken poor decisions. I think if Chris was removed from the the picture, this would be the best game ever.
@MultiFishslayer I am 99'% convinced it was Chris who wanted a holographic cool looking cinematic UI. The devs are just doing what Chris tells them to do. Chris only cares about eye candy, fluff, time sinks and cool cinematic. Chris never cares about functionality.
'Star Citizen' is basically 'Freelancer' all over again, before Microsoft stepped in and booted Chris off the project if I recall correctly. Back then he allegedly was spending resources (money and developer efforts) to fuel his perfectionist "my way or the high way" ideals for the game, before Microsoft had to step in cause the project just wouldn't wanna go anywhere with all of CRs busywork.
I think you are wrong about removing Chris. We have too many games that are "finished" in a corporate way. Yes it's messy but I'd rather get a half finished Monet then a finished school children's crayon drawing.
Im actually starting to become convinced that a lot of these decisions are being made by other people without Chris knowing, or caring.
"Meant to look like part of the Scene" - there is your reason right there, chris is making his movie and doesnt care if it needs to be usable.
but also imagine making a movie and you convey something through written text but it's hologrpahic and the audience can't read it, missing the whole plot lol
That's apparently Chris' "Make that pixel blue!" my-way-or-the-highway mentality. If only we had a publisher to breath down Chris' neck and tell him to get the F going.
"Line to tread." Yea, you want to keep your jobs.
Yep, as has been said before, Chris is making an interactive movie not a game. Explains everything that's wrong with SC.
i got a new word for their UI: diarrheatic
This kinda sh!t happens when, allegedly, everything has to go through and be signed off on by "the man himself" at the top, who from what we're being told apparently likes flashy visuals that may work in a movie environment for short scenes and all, but not when you have to constantly engage with said UI. Same goes for the new 'Distribution Centers' which seem to have no connectivity to any other infrastructure like cities and such. Imagine you were to put one of those big Amazon warehouses in the middle nowhere out in a jungle or desert......that's what those DCs look like to me. Makes exactly ZERO sense. But I digress... the UI, yes, it doesn't look good or "snappy", and I'm concerned that in due time we might have yet another rework, cue to Chris Roberts getting to play a few new game titles that "inspire" him to prompt the devs to rework it yet again to create even more busywork for them.
What are you talking about? Amazon puts most of its distribution centres out in the middle of nowhere so it's as far away from airports, worker housing, major roads, ports and other distracting infrastructure. (Meanwhile back in reality it's the opposite).
• New UI: 20% more diegetic!
As always seems to be the case, they talk alot, but very little actually get's done. 'It needs to look different than it did before, without actually improving anything, so we can pretend we're making progress, without making any progress.'
Inventory screens, looting screens and radial action wheels, are awfully counter immersive.. Players, through their character avatars, should be able to: - use analog controls, key bindings, macros, and even voice control commands, to interact with objects; - directly, physically interact with objects by means of "scrolling" (with the mouse wheel) their arms out, and reach out to the object (in specif points for specific actions), then click with mouse button to (per ex.) grab, then keep the mouse button pressed to hold the item on the hand, and then, either completely push back the arm to store the item, OR bring it close to their head to (per ex.) drink or eat it, OR move the hand around and inspect it, OR throw it away by swinging the mouse and releasing the mouse button, OR place the item back doing the inverse sequence of actions. - directly, physically move around, grab, handle and frisk loot recipients, click / grab objects in them, pull them out, and if the character has corresponding storage place, then it would be stored automatically; If not, then the item would remain on on the hand. And then the player would decide to either discard it, or discard a stored object and replace it for the new one, or any other option, as long as it is immersive, and there aren't any inventory windows.. - just use analog controls and macros and key bindings (or even voice control commands) to control their character, as they do to control a vehicle. People don't have screens popping up on vehicles to do basic tasks, do they?? When people go to an armory closet, they see little icons tht they can interact with, and they click on them and they grab the corresponding object, and they can then store it. Why can't you do the same with looting recipients?? Why?? Why?? (CIG must physicalize it's game as much as possible, and get rid of those pesky, unimmersive, retro gamee, consolee out of touch, out of universe UIs) - have an AR system that is able to automatically, and realistically, adjust and regulate the fonts for their color or chromatic effects through an adaptive, dynamic and in sync system; and the backgrounds for it's color / brightness / darkness / contrast, as when and where the background is darker/brighter/colored the font becomes brighter/darker/colored differently, gradually, and vice versa.
That ending was hilarious. It's kinda goofy in a charming sort of way.
Players for 10 years: Can we get a customizable UI? CIG: "We want the UI so great that you wont want to change it." Also CIG: Here's the PIE, Minimap, dynamic crosshair, mobiglas and Master Modes. Aren't all the tablet game like icons great? Players after playing 3.23 EPTU: "Yeah we definitely need a customizable UI. Its long overdue!"
I am looking into the tax incentives around pledging in comparison to sales in the UK. This could explain a lot when connecting the dots and why SC may never come out of Alpha.
There is no pledging. You are buying ingame items for a released game. thats it
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Yes I agree. Most of what I see in the game was not done from a functional but from a cool look standpoint. It is apparent that they are DEVS not engineers.
@timteeling7348 or the big man on top is only interested in eye candy, fluff, time sinks and cool cinematic looks, the big man on top never cares about functionality. My money is on Chris :)
I am product designer by profession (web not physical products) and you don't even need developers for this, you need ui/ux designers, that's it. The developers than implement the design and a product designer should see it's all to spec.
@@Camural Chris apparently prefering flashy visuals seems to indicate that he doesn't play his own damn game for prolongued periods of time, if at all....otherwise I'd bet my sweet salary the glaring issues that only the backers seem to be criticising would become apparent to Chris too.
when the cheapest HR available on their very first job ever (that is fulltime and paid, right after semi-formalized craft education) works in indentured subsidiarity to a snake oil genius with a proven track record of absolute pipeline incompetence.... .. which would be par for the course - but them so willingly shilling for work they should be embarassed about (even if they lack any wider education or experience with anything in the real world) makes them rather questionable as (work related) characters...
CIG is clueless
I dunno man just watching these devs read scripted lines and still not even have the confidence or body language showing you they actually believe in what they’re telling you just makes it hard to trust them anymore
It's a user interface. The ONLY thing that matters is readability. The fact that they think there's an acceptable amount of readability to sacrifice for coolness is the entire problem, because there isn't, that amount is zero percent. Proper UI design means you make it as cool looking as you can WITHOUT sacrificing ANY readability AT ALL. Those are your boundaries as a UI designer. CIG needs to either replace these guys with someone who understands that, or simply have CR issue a mandate to this effect. But that supposes that even CR understands this, and who knows if he does or not.
@austinm5630 what if the big man on top is only interested in eye candy, fluff, time sinks and cool cinematic looks and wants a cinematic cool UI like in Ironman? The big man on top never cares about functionality. My money is on Chris :)
"so we got to finde the balance.." goal is missed
Yep, as always!
I commented in the forums that its amazing to me they dont have an actual User Interface Designer working on the project. I know lots of big companies that will higher contractors to come in just to clean up their website and applications user interfaces to make them MORE USABLE... Again CIG is running backwards.
their voices say one thing, but their body language says they have no confidence in what they're saying.
At least they got scope glint!
Films and Games are both art.. They are not the same thing though. Chris is literally trying to create something that blends a playable cutscene.. with cutscenes. this company isn't developing a game, they are creating assets for a film.. with the primary focus on visuals. They keep rolling out 'devs' to explain what they are doing, and they all.. without fail.. talk in circles. it is a sad state of affairs, when you can count the number of constructive, honest, SC KZhead creators, on 1 finger. There are those who shill SC, those who hate SC, and then there is Camural! Respect dude o7
Yeah, we don't want the boxy default Unity UI but the thing we currently have in Star Citizen is way overdone with hard to read effects.
Der Guy in red looks like german minister of Health Karl Lauterbach.😂
Which is not very positive 😂😂
My money is on some folks with coke bottle bottoms for glasses, i.e. someone that can't tell the difference between good and bad UI due to horrid eyesight. Reminds me of the time Wargaming (the Company) thought monstrously nauseating motion blur was the next hot shit... when it wasn't.
They should just built it to Chris' spec, while making the underlying aystems as modder friendly as possible. Let Chris deliver his cinematic vision, and the community can mod it into usefulness later.
Functionality first, It's inexcusable how heavy armor has been clipping into the mobiglass for years now. It's far from cool. That said, a lot of the small changes made based on feedback during testing of 3.23 have been great.
even in the flight HUD markers are insanely big. but remember on consoles you sit far away from the screen so that probably why =( MM is the break-point for me, combat is just to slow, even pve combat got 100% more boring.
Idk what is it with the UI but everytime it receives an update they manage to make it worse
@I_Ronin_I exactly this. We all were looking forward to a new better UI. The current UI and star map are bad. However, now it turns out the new UI and new star map are even worse :).
We don't want it to look like a web interface, because in the future ui/ux is not important because idiocracy
@-Belshazzar- the scary thing is a lot of what Idiocracy showed has become reality like people cheering when another of Musk's star ship crashes.
I'm not against the idea of a holographic UI, but the implementation here is definitely janky. I get that the PTU is the PTU for a reason, but it seems that CIG doesn't have a team dedicated to trying out new developments before it gets shoved at us.
I actually *do* want a diegetic UI, but this ain't it. An actual universe-driven UI would look like... a normal UI. The shop screens are actually a pretty good example of proper diegetic implementation -- what would the people in this world *actually* use. They wouldn't want goofy effects on their user interface -- they'd want a *usable* user interface. So yeah, if the people in the simulated world would want a plain webpage, then *A PLAIN WEBPAGE IS THE DIEGETIC SOLUTION*.Stupidly "cinematic" UIs that the characters in the game universe would never want to use are the opposite of a believable in-universe interface. Unless we're meant to believe that everyone in the UEE is so brain damaged that they actually prefer to purchase fuzzy unreadable shit rather than gear that has a clean usable interface.
none of them knew what "diegetic" even means by itself or in the context of a digital UI before random consumers told them... they would blabber "banana peel" if it gained traction enough for "viral relevance"
@TheEtrattner they would blabber banana pee. Lol I can't even type... lol. Thank you
UI should be the LAST thing you worry about when you use it. If it's well done , it works without ANY explanations. THIS... is Bullshit!
Tier 0,1,2….. ? It’s ok to use other games as examples.
@user-yc6sc4kt4v not for Chris, though. Chris always has to go his own way, his own flawed way and re-works of re-works of re-works of re-works obviously don't cost money, time and man hours. So many examples, also see HUD, why not look at real fighter HUDs and start there? We have now the 6th HUD in Star Citizen and it won't be the last.
So these are the idiots who designed the worst UI in gaming. Never been done before! (this badly)
impressiv how bad this looks... very "cool"
The new UI is awful. I have been running bunker missions in 3.23 over and over just to learn how to quickly loot bodies, and there is no quick. There is now a xbox controller type wheel in play which is very buggy and slow to contend with. Not a fan
@iToddi some people say CIG did this because Chris prefers to play with a controller.
@@Camural Remember when Sandy jokingly asked if people wanted to see sq42 out on consoles ? The traveling to china to promote sc to the asian market ? The clear console compatibility of all elements ported over from sq42 ? Seeing the pattern yet ?
@heru_ur6017 it is not a joke. In Nichole D'Angelo's interview Sandi said October 2016: "Yeah for sure. Going forward. For Star Citizen and Squadron 42 going to console"
What a bunch of clowns. "Everything has to be as realistic as possible in our space sim except for the flight model." I actually kind of don't mind and even agree with "sometimes it's realistic in certain situations to have trouble seeing or using something" but the problem is it doesn't feel realistic, it just feels broken.
There's just so much wrong with this so called "game" are they even making a game. I still cant see how its becoming a game at all. Like, i feel we must be atleast 10 years away still, if this crap is what they give us each 6month lol
Worst ui in modern gaming somehow got even worse and less functional lol. Can't wait to see the dumpster fire SQ42 that all this "progress" is coming from.
They are clown not caring about usability. I rather would prefer a good easy to use black on white UI over this bloated nonsense.