How Kai Havertz Became The Most Polarizing Player in the Premier League
2023 ж. 26 Там.
274 960 Рет қаралды
⚽The Best Football Wall Art To Decorate Your Room!
Use Code: 'HAVERTZ' For 15% Off For 48 Hours: mezzaladesigns.co.uk
For Business Enquires and Promotions Contact Below
vizeh@ingoodkompany.co.uk
Intro Music - LEMMiNO - Triangular (BGM)
• LEMMiNO - Triangular (...
CC BY-SA 4.0
Follow Vizeh:
Twitch: / vizeh
Twitter: / officialvizeh
Instagram: / officialvizeh
Facebook: / officialvizeh
How Kai Havertz Became The Most Polarizing Player in the Premier League
How Kai Havertz Became The Most Polarizing Player in the Premier League
How Kai Havertz Became The Most Polarizing Player in the Premier League
The problem Havertz has is consistency. He plays well one game and disappears in the next game
It's not consistency, it's his confidence, it's absolutely shattered. He's way to different from the havertz that broke through the ranks at leverkusen, he looks scared and doesn't want to take risks, the very things he was known for at leverkusen
Confidence too, seems to be a consistent theme
Sounds like a what happened to Dele Ali.
@@jacobalexander4167it's both when he has a good run of games his confidence is high and then he plays terrible one game and then put in string of howling performances which causes his confidence to make appear a shadow of him former self
@@jacobalexander4167Yup, I think this is right. He seems like someone that would need a top level sports psychologist with crazy methodologies.
As a Leverkusen fan who has watched him ever since he became German champion with our U17 team I have some thoughts on this. Obviously I am a little biased here as Kai is a product of our youth academy, is roughly the same age as me and here in Leverkusen he was seen as this once-in-a-generation talent (until Florian Wirtz came around). When he was just 17, he saved us from relegation during our worst season since 2002/03 and was our star man and pride ever since. From what I've seen of him in Leverkusen, his best position would be a classic number 10 role. He has good positioning (great awareness of space), decent finishing, can play very good passes (often resulting in assists or pre-assists) and had good play making abilities. Of course, this is a position which is kinda dying out in the modern game. In our fan base he was often compared to MIchael Ballack (of course another club legend) or Mesut Özil in terms of play style. And I think the Özil comparison fits well. They both have the problem of their body language, that they always seem almost too cool, like they don't really care, which causes them to be perceived a bit more negatively than other placers would be under the same circumstances. Undoubtedly, his best period was the second half of the 2018/19 season, the first half season under Peter Bosz when he formed a brilliant partnership with Julian Brandt (who to this day is a very close friend of Kai). During that half season, he was part of a midfield triangle with Charles Aranguiz as a holding number 6 and Havertz and Brandt playing an offensive number 8/10, combining beautifully with Havertz and Brandt setting each other up wonderfully. I haven't followed him too closely those recent years as I only really follow the Bundesliga (obviously, I was very happy about him scoring the winning goal in the Champions League final) and am a bit sad that he perceived this controversially in England. I do think he is not utilized in an ideal position. He did play the number 9 role for us as well a couple times, but it is clearly not an ideal role for him. He could probably function as a supporting striker behind a classical number 9, but as a "sole" striker, he is lacking a bit in terms of physical presence and finishing. Anyway, long rant, hope I could contribute constructively to this debate in any way!
I see havertz as a raumdeuter he's understands of 10 is all over the place considering he can shadow a striker while also playmaking but he doesn't have a speciality in offense which like mount makes him a jack of all trades he should have his own role in the squad he needs the raumdeuter role
Physical presence doesn't seem to be his problem now, he's grown to near 6' 4" and shrugged off Ruben Diaz in the Community Shield recently where Arsenal beat Man City. His problem seems to be one of confidence, he's not showing for the ball or being prepared to carry it and run aggressively towards goal to make something happen. Havertz is being used in a deeper role, so the #9 excuse no longer washes. Arsenal is a team all about movement and constantly going forward, so if his body language and his play doesn't improve, I cannot see how Arteta has any choice but to bench him, otherwise his burden is going to bring the entire team down.
@@jesterbeats2898So basically a similar type of player to Thomas Muller
I think he needs a good striker to link up with to see the best out of him. He had this problem at Chelsea I think Jesus will bring the best out of him.
@@jackwilliam2965 did you just call jesus a world class striker . LMAO
I think he could be a Müller type player, who isn’t limited to a position, but plays more in a certain role, where he uses his understanding of the game to open spaces and creating room for the rest of the team
Couldn’t lace that man’s boots. Muller got loads of goals and assists
Müller is an extremely unique player and his role in that Bayern team had to be made specifically for him Havertz just isn't talented enough to justify it
His best trait is 100% defending set pieces. That's the only thing I've seen him be consistent in as a chelsea fan
That’s an important attribute on FIFA to be fair
His best attributes are finishing and Aerials but he hasn't been in form
@@topenoel1931😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
Honestly Nketiah was terrible until he started getting a run of games around April 2021. Viera had rough appearances off the bench but yesterday he single-handedly grabbed the game by the scruff of its neck in a way only Odegaard and Nelson have carried in the last 12 months. My point is, I've put up with the worst as an Arsenal fan, I can survive with 7 points from 9 games and Havertz being a bit of a wierdo between the lines.
He’s not been that bad so far, just don’t think it’s an upgrade really
The crazy thing is that he was at Chelsea for like 3 years and he didn't prove anything... What makes you think it's going to change
@@Vizehwhat up vizeh nice edits
@@KuphelileSwira not having a new manager every 2 weeks might help
Nketiah was 21/22 not being consistent. Vieira coming from a new league was always going to need a season no matter what fans thought. Odegaard and Nelson and really all the players youve listed have at the bare minimum shown a dedicated, desire to improve along with some semblance of technical ability. Havertz looks embarrasingly out of place. I'm sorry but the reality is we are trying to challenge the moster that is Man City. We don't have time for a 65mill player who has been in England for 3 seasons now to flop. He needs to be benched until he can prove to the coach he deserves to be here. There are so many midfielders behind Havertz that deserve that gametime more, and I'm picking Jesus or Nketiah as our 9 over time too.
As a Chelsea fan I can evaluate that Kai’s best position is when he is a second striker to a number 9. As vizeh said in his first season, he had Werner to link up with hence scoring the winning goal in Porto and showed promise. In his second he showed promise as TT played a 4-2-2-2 or 4-4-2 with lukaku and Werner where he scored like 10+ goals and assists in all comps.
He is a Raumdeuter, like Thomas Müller but without the work rate i guess
That Werner & Havertz combo was a fun time
@@Vizehit was frustrating. Every time ball goals into net we know it will be offside 😂
@@firefistbijay5657 those times gave me ptsd as they had the ability to successfully play in the position but somehow lack end product
Be deceiving yourself Havert is not good enough.
Arteta must see something we don’t in him to change the formation just to fit him in
Arteta been experimenting a lot to be fair
0:38 "If Arteta said get on your knees and gnaw me off, would you do it" Liam: "YES"
For me Havertz is definitely a CAM (no. 10). He played many games as Striker or CF and even some as RW, but with no one in front of him or around him, just all being behind him, he was struggling a lot. There was nobody to link the play with or (and more importantly in my opinion) to play off the players. The champions league goal is a perfect example. Werner did most of the work really, by dragging Dias with him wide and opening a massive gap for Havertz. Werner created actually a lot of opportunities like this and without this advantage to his play Havertz was seriously struggling. Chelsea kept playing him as False 9 and it wasnt working at all, but they didnt have anyone else for that position either so they went with it and it was a terrible decision. It changed how he behaved on the pitch and ultimately made him worse imo, because he just lost what he had... or rather changed it for worse. They weren't playing for his strengths at all. His best plays are always - as mentioned in the video - cutting inside, using space created by his teammates, link up plays, etc. but in Chelsea he was always at the end of crosses, the last player in front of the goal, etc. which is the opposite of what he excels at. Combine this with his inconsistency and you have a recipe for disaster.
Some great insight man, thank you
In his case is playing at some may positions not a sign of strength but a sign of weakness …. Nobody knows where to put him or what role to give because he almost never delivers .
@@wengelder9256 or it could be that the position he is best at just doesnt have place in modern style football that most teams play. Take for example Beckenbauer who even today would be insane as a player on his own, but his style was rather aggressive attacking as a defender... that position today is non-existent as it would get abused a lot, but that doesnt mean he would be a bad player. It can be same for Havertz in a sense that he is best for using space created by other players and playing as CAM... but in todays football people look more for CAMs like Odegaard or more attacking player or creative player and style of Havertz in that position just doesnt fit the playstyle for a player on that position. Instead of shaping the whole team and style to fit him, they are just trying to shape him up to the overall style they need and that is the part which is not working.
@@Twiggi then , if that is the case , why did Arsenal buy him ? If Arteta has no idea what he wants to do with him , then it’s a waste of money . Anyway , Havertz should be given credit and time , but Arteta is already under scrutiny for his tactics . Havertz never impressed me at Chelsea , but it was a bit of a shitshow there anyway . So who knows ,things might work out
Are you suffering from memory issues???? Cause if not you'll remember havertz playing as CAM /10 IN CHELSEA behind auba last season versus YOUR OWN ARSENAL, versus westham, versus Burnley...& The guy was dogshite 💩 there with 2/10 rating....& Just use your head a player whom doesn't have basic ball control, dribbling ,basic close control, average to poor passing ability, pathetic balance, pathetic agility, pathetic stamina IS A 10 MATERIAL ???? You lot not thinking before talking it seems...... Havertz only good/ above average attribute is off the ball running & off the ball positioning - a proper false 9/ shadow striker attribute....but his finishing after reaching there is crappp....so he's useless there also, ....jack of all trades,master of none
I think that Havertz’s style of play is almost ten years too late: Styles evolve a lot and a 4-3-3 with lone/false strikers seems to be the most trendy tactic on the go with many world class sides like Man City, Liverpool, Bayern Munich, PSG etc using them. I don’t think that this suits Havertz because his best role is as a sort of ‘shadow striker’. While not needing a specific formation to flourish, to get the most out of his channel play, he needs to be an attacking midfielder who plays of off a proper number 9 An example of a team that he would have been excellent in is in Ozils position in Real Madrids 2011/12 side or Liverpools 2013/14 side. However, few contemporary teams operate a similar system. That is Havertz’s biggest flaw, as he always struggles in a team whose system isn’t catered to his strengths. He was effective at Leverkusen because they knew he was their most talented player and so were willing to work the tactics around him. Most elite teams today though use a high pressing system where positions are fluid and no individual player is used as the focal point of an attack. I could be completely wrong, but I can’t help feeling that Havertz would have been utterly world class in the late 00’s and early 2010’s
A natural No.10 is dying in football and Havertz joined the only team that used a top class natural No.10 too
I wonder what people are thinking now lol , he has literally proved everyone wrong he is slowly becoming a fantastic player for arsenal . all the credit should go to arteta he is clearly a great man manager and thats something all the best managers had , They knew how to man manage
Movement and spatial awareness coupled with unpredictability - that's an underrated and potentially gamechanging combination. One such player can make a team unplayable. Look at Thomas Müller. Bayern is on fire when HE is on fire. Btw like Havertz, he also excels at being a defensive attacker. So let's say Kai Havertz is the heir to the throne of the Raumdeuter. Thing is, Thomas Müller is a master communicator. He's Radio Müller after all. He's the conductor ordering Bayern's players around the field. He's the soul of Bayern's dressing room. Havertz is a comparatively quiet guy. Whatever it is that is going on in his oddball intellectual head (do any other players play the piano or run bloody donkey sanctuarys as hobbies?), he probably needs to translate it more to his teammates, be a lot more vocal. There is an off-switch to Müller, by the way. When he doesn't enjoy himself, everything feels forced and stilted. Müller needs to smile, that's when he's dangerous. Maybe Havertz needs to unlock the joker inside him and not be so serious about himself, laugh more on the pitch and then his inventive play will gel more. Müller can play passes that are like pranks played on the opposition. Havertz needs to allow himself to be cheeky.
It looks like he's restricting himself whenever he plays, havertz, I don't know maybe it's the ptsd he still has from Chelsea but he wasn't like this at leverkusen
Well for a 20 million € salary he better starting doing something … never did a lot at Chelsea . Few good games and then invisible. And Havertz is not at the level of Mueller . From the various comments I read here , he has been used in many different roles . In his case that is not because of being multi talented but because probably out of despair of his managers ….. where shall we put him next ? By the way , don’t just copy paste from wiki .
As an Arsenal fan I think he needs time from the bench and to only play when we’re winning until he can unlock a particular trait(s) that he excels at. I always see him as a gap filling player so positioning is best and from that I think his best trait to develop is link up play
I agree probably his best role tbh
Right now for Arsenal I agree, just feels a shame considering his worth
@@Vizeh absolutely I wish another club took that risk with him but we’ve got him now and all we can do is try and support him and make it work best we can
90 million pound bench player 💀typical gunners
@@JMSpinks12 chelsea signed Mudryk that price mate Havertz was nowhere near that for Arsenal’s fee
Havertz’s best position currently is undoubtedly: the bench. He has the potential to revolutionize the bench warming role.
Based
I’m sure he could make that position his own on a permanent basis for the remainder of his contract. When he leaves Arsenal they should retire his seat on the bench.
Just placed an order on your shop cant wait to get it! keep up the good work man the shop is fantastic!!! and the videos are so well researched and crafted
If you look at him for the National Team he's been really good 37 games 🏟️ 13 goals ⚽ 13 assists 🅰️ Friendlies out: 24 games 🏟️ 10 goals ⚽ 5 assists 🅰️
i absolutely love him when he comes on as a sub and saves us in some games
The thing is they kept playing Havertz ad a number 9 when that wasn't his strongest position. Now that he's at Arsenal there's no way he's kicking Oddegard aout of CAM so he still isn't at his strongest position
I'd argue he could work as a Marcos Alonso style winger, both skirt around the box and try to draw out defenders to mark him to play wide or through balls.
*Marco Ascensio got names completely mixed up.
@HallowedOstelogist I was about to be like, huh? Convert this CAM into an LWB. Where's Gareth Southgate when you need him
as a Chelsea fan I'm still puzzled for the 70mil we got for him, the only worse sales negotiator than boehly is arteta
✋🏽😛🤚🏽
The answer is simple...he is a Klopp player. He needs to be playing in pressing team, and a quick counter attacking setup around him. I also always saw him as a wide attacker who plays one twos with the full backs.
If I’m Leandro Trossard right now, I’m wondering why I ever left Brighton. I can’t start above this guy who seems to do absolutely nothing but Arteta seems to almost never sub him
Trossard is a great player too!
They play different positions plus Trossard started against Fulham.
@@Vizeh trossard is arguably one of the best players in the league but still has to play second fiddle to players like nketiah and havertz 🤡
Trossard started vs Fulham and was undoubtedly our worst player ahead of Havertz and early on Saka despite the fact it was Saka's fault we conceded the first goal
Trossard gets minuets he’s very important
As a Chelsea fan, I'm reeeeally trying hard to reserve judgement on every attacking player we let go this transfer window since nobody looked good on attack for about a season and a half. My hope, for their sakes, was that it came down to management and chemistry. But I always had the nagging feeling we just had a generation of attackers who weren't elite at anything, other than Werner's elite speed. It felt like every attacker we had for 2 seasons would have played best as a ten on a team that didn't play a formation with a ten.
In this football atmosphere I see Kai as someone who has this rare attribute of not knowing where he fits in the system. Chelsea’s roundtable of managers obviously didn’t help this cause, but what I think Arteta is doing is make him someone like Bernardo Silva. Ball movement, press, initiate play, drop deep to bring ball forward. Rice is good for moving the ball forward but for some very high pressing sides like say Liverpool, you have to keep the possession and keep the opposition second guessing. If this works out, Kai would be someone who will be able to cover not only the passing lanes but also move the ball rapidly to switch the play against Arsenal’s favour. Genuinely think this is the reason he was signed . But I might be wrong.
Havertz is like muller he just needs free roam between midfield and attack he just finds his own space
He reminds me a lot of Muller in that it never seemed quite clear what his best attribute was or what his role should be. The thing is, Muller actually seemed to have mastered the art of the 'free' role, in terms of how he attacked space - which sounds kinda vague, but it made sense with Muller because he always seemed to be in the right place at the right time, which is what people mean when they say 'movement' is your best attribute. He got lots of vital goals and assists wihtout ever being an outright 10, 9 or winger. Unfortunately for Havertz hes not as good as Muller, so its hard to justify him playing a 'free role'. The best comparison I can make is how we can see Salah is a RW, but it might be more accurate to say he is a player who mainly attacks from the right side of the pitch but during the match he will drift along depending on where the space opens up.
He's not polarizing for Chelsea fans, I think we can all agree amongst ourselves that he's definitely not a No. 9 and been infuriatingly disappointing 😂 Oh and his best attributes are his work rate and ability to play the high press. Unfortunately those qualities don't extend to the ability to recover, pass and finish
His finishing must be infuriating, I believe he was polarizing in his first season or so
Work rate !? 😂 From shy Kai , bro ....
Bruhh I think we are watching a different Chelsea team, he has an average work rate and this season we are spoiled with Nico Jackson, Nico dictates play at top and has an incredible lung, Havertz last season was below average
“his beautiful blue eyes” is absolutely sending me
I started following him when he first went to Chelsea, what was unique about his playstyle was his fluidity in dribbling, passing, and ability to find spaces which was amazing. However, it was very frustrating to watch him because you realize that he was not good at making shots on target considering his position as a forward. Albeit fluid, there was always an absence of intensity to him, and it always felt like he didn't really have the hunger to triumph over the opponent. And he tended to back pass instead of bringing the ball forward. You know things are not right in a team when your forward has less goals than your midfield players, consistently.
Comparing him with Crouch is an insult to Crouch
His physicality is amazing. He wins alot of battles. He is good at ball reception and aerial battles. He's even good ball carrying and decision making while making plays. He's also good with both foot and he has amazing close control.
Bro he has literally zero physicality, what are you on about? He got bullied by opposition defenders every game at Chelsea and was a bit of a wimp when it came to 650/50s and physical duels.
if you watch the highlights of the video, he's able to go 1v1 when he receives the ball facing the sidelines or the opponent's half. When his body is facing away, he has trouble receiving, turning and beating defenders. Its partially why he's looked so poor, he just receives the ball and passes it backwards or sideways. @@areebsiddiqui758
I think hes more like a number 8 as he has good ball retention and some what good tackling which is good for him to go back. he also has a ok dribbling ability which is good for when he goes forward and he has a some what prowess in the box and he can just be an another option for attack.
This is a (massive) issue in Germanys youth system. The same applies to Sane, Wirtz, Serge. If you ask 10 different people, they will give 3-4 different answers for each of them. Germany's garbagio youth set up is focusing jack of all trades, master of none offensive players. Unless it's about #9, #6, #1, or fullbacks, in which case it's just non-existent. Most people knew Kai should have waited a solid 2 seasons before leaving Leverkusen.
Havertz was absolutely amazing at Leverkusen eventhough he was still a teenager. Then he transfered to Chelsea playing as a striker which was not his position at Leverkusen at all. I think he can be a more than exceptional false 9/AM but he will have to get used to it again. He‘s not gonna do it over night, maybe never, maybe his time at Chelsea wasted his potential to a point he‘s never gonna be able to do it again, but anyone who‘s seen him at Leverkusen knows he is more than a „jack of all trades, master of none“.
That player that was at Leverkusen hasn’t been seen consistently for nearly 4 years however, from what we’ve seen at Prem level I don’t think he’s a master at one particular thing yet
He literally started at Chelsea playing in midfield and the #10 position. Even played RW which he also played at Leverkusen at times. He's just shit.
its not as uncommon as people think for hyped up talents to just not crack it in the EPL. havertz is one of those players it's appearing. Arsenal spent far too much on him. They bought him as if he was a certifiable starter instead of what he really is which is a massive gamble that needs to essentially reboot his entire footballing career because he has no confidence, doesnt know his best position, and his technical ability and finishing come and go.
@@VizehMeh. Havertz still only 24. Bergkamp stunk Italian football playing in the wrong position in a toxic team for 2 seasons as well before Arsenal rescued him and played him deeper. Took DB10 awhile to get going and get his confidence before that goal. People were calling him donkey back then as well. He was 2 years older than Havertz was now. Turned out alrite didn't he? You guys have very short memories and want things to happen instantly 3 days ago. Football does not work that way.
Boyuwxhyz. The chances of Havertz ever getting to Bergkamp levels are very very slim.
This video shows me that there’s still someone out there who understands football by watching it ! You couldn’t have explained him better I’ve watched him 3 years at chelsea and no player has frustrated me more.. he’s good at getting into good position in the box but he’s technically very blunt,, you can pass him the ball into scoring positions he’ll rather turn back and play safe than try to force the attack or take some risks, dude doesn’t force anything he just needs all the space in the world to operate,bundesliga can afford him but no one gives you time and space in epl No real standout strength to his game, can’t tell me he’s an excellent passer,when he shoots sometimes you’d wonder if his intention is actually to score or pass to keeper,so bad in dribbling that he prefers to pass back instead of taking on 1 player to score He plays like Oil without talent 😂
i think he would 100% be best used as a false 9, while getting in the box is a weakness of him, it’s not like that’s not coachable into doing so, he’s tall and also good at driving attacks and dropping back in attack, he just needs confidence and a set role
I feel like we could try to use him as a left half space counterpart to Odegaard. Odegaard will often drop deep to assist buildup but he tends to do this on the right with Saka. Last season Xhaka would make runs into the left half space to create overloads. Honestly I think it would be worth trying to get him to link up with Martinelli
Tsamina mina eh eh Waka waka eh eh 60 million down the drain Kai Havertz scores again
As an arsenal fan, I am having trouble understanding where havertz fits in the team, & am certainly having some frustrations regarding his recent performances, but I would like to mention… You forgot the second half of the saying. “A Jack of all trades is a master of none, but oftentimes better than a master of one” So… take with that what you will
Chelsea fan here. Havertz would do my head in. He could score a worldie and then miss 5 easier chances …. Consistency was never constant. Always admired his work ethic. Just lacked other qualities. Rather relieved i dont have to watch him and root for him anymore ! Wish him all the best tho
true...it's so sick and pain watching him all this time...bro cant even dribble one defender, very anger with oppenent, cant shoot properly (not like professional footballer) and always spoiled the counter attack with his terrible touch and finish...now we have the mighty Nico Jackson who's quick, strong, fighter, pace and very good on the ball
He should be the trigger ! Not a hold up center forward, but a player that facilitates transitions to the final third.
Havertz as central CAM in a 4231 is the best fit for me, he is way to inconsistent to play him at striker, but he definetly has the playmaking ability to play more forward and the height to push in the box for crosses.
As an Arsenal fan he makes me want to end it all. Last season Arsenal really didn’t have bad players we just performed badly last few games. Now we have a bad player and I get nervous seeing him play
I don’t think he’s been bad for Arsenal so far, just not much of an upgrade really
sit down and watch then because he hasn't been bad. the whole team has struggled, too many experiments.
Give him time
@@Vizeh he really has been bad, no moments has surprised me he makes bad passes doesn’t fit the teams play style well and gets in good positions but can’t finish
@@anitamaxwynxdrake whole team has been rejigged since pre season, pretty hard for him to settle in
I don't see the hate for Havertz, everyone in Chelsea was horrible last season, but I also don't understand how he's worth 65mil
but you forgot to mentioned that Havertz was terrible since his first season at Chelsea...he only live with that UCL winning goal made him look good
@@StephenC-1908 yeah but Leverkusen play in THAT league probably worst than PL...even the top scorer Timo Werner and Jadon Sancho also struggled to find his form at PL...not all players can perform well from Bundesliga to PL and both are one of those players...yeah he wanted by Real Madrid but they realized he's shxt so they cancelled the deal and went for Bellingham...look at Bellingham now and look at Havertz now 💀
The intro is elite big up Lee Gunner
This is why my friends told me Haverts is a jack of all trades but a master of none.
When we signed him in 2020 he was supposed to be a generational talent. Any chelsea fan would tell you he was nothing like that at all. I'm baffled that we managed to sell him on for so much money!
HAHAHA one of the biggest scam ever...still remember we tried so hard to make him look good but the reality was he's so bad...not consistent at all...now we're done suffered enough...its time for Arsenal fans to feel what we feel
It’s bcs he’s young and he is still considered a decent talent that can grow he might not but arteta is good at developing young players so I guess we’ll see
The problem is, Havertz operates at his best in the half space on the right flank playing as a 10... which is also where odegaard is best so there's no room for him there. In my opinion this somewhat sets him up to fail at Arsenal.
Agreed. I don't see how he plays with Odegaard?
Kai Havertz's best position is a Raumdeuter. Roam around an elite striker, feed him or collect what's left over. Imagine a diamond formation, with a poacher up front. A classic #10, a holding six and two wide midfielders. Havertz then becomes the 2nd striker (Raumdeuter) who has the freedom to roam arround. He can fall back deep to collect the ball and feed the wide midfielders or the #10 while attacking the box late. Or if he's up front linger arround the box supporting the attacking midfielders and dragging defenders with him into space to open up passing lanes. If the defenders don't mark him, run into open space and create for himself or link up with the striker. But yeah in my head he can do a lot of things but i'm a simple armchair manager.
9:57 That pass was IDENTICAL to the one on the weekend 😂
I think in all reality, Havertz needs time because playing him as a #9 for 3 years with several terrible managers does some damage to you as a player and I think it shows by the way he is too static and not willing to take chances, he looks very uncomfortable so far but he's still showed promise and he has several key passes and 6 chances created in 3 games. I do believe that as of right now someone should be starting over him in the lineup, but I think he should be a regular sub in games we have a handle on allowing him to find his own, experiment, and get comfortable. He already is very happy at Arsenal which is one step in the right direction. If anything the fan base needs to calm down and give Havertz a chance and look at this situation with a level head, it has only been 3 games after all.
That might be the best point. Chelsea had been a gigantic mess with no level of consistency. It probably doesn't help that most of his confidence is probably gone from everyone and their mother calling him shit.
I fully agree. I totally see the potential, but I would still play someone play ahead of him, at least in the starting 11
That’s a great comment man
When will y'all get it through your heads that he has played multiple positions at Chelsea including in midfield. He played most of them at 9 because he was garbage in every other position. The problem with Havertz had nothing to do with the coaches...he just fundamentally slows everything down.
Chelsea fans have had three years of debates saying the same as you have. The sad truth is that he’s crap, with some nice touches here and there….glad he is Arsenal’s problem now.
He honestly reminds me of Thomas Müller, in that he doesn't fit any particular role on the pitch in the traditional sense. But unlike Havertz, Müller has been able to establish himself under various coaches because Bayern has had, more or less, an overarching footballing philosophy that has provided players with structure and discipline (at least up until recently one could argue). I think Havertz one day might actually fit in at Bayern in a Müller-like role if he can create the kind of space Müller can. A squad might not rly need him for much more than that, but of course that would come at the cost of a reduced valuation. I think Havertz was just misused at Chelsea, which isn't an uncommon phenomenon for players under the overrated Tuchel system, which isn't rly even a system at all as we've seen with his managing of Bayern; it's just chaotic and disorganized. (I can go on and on about how, at least I believe, Chelsea's UCL win has been heavily romanticized in hindsight **as any UCL win would** and relied greatly on circumstantially favorable outcomes for Chelsea that all just so happened to come into play at seemingly all the right moments... even insofar as the final itself. Tuchelball at Chelsea during the 2020-21 season in no way ever produced consistent performances from players **with the exception of a few, such as N'Golo Kanté** nor did it produce consistent results in all competition). Havertz needs structure, and structure was hard to come by under Tuchel. Hopefully he gets that kind of structure under Arteta.
I think he is the sort of person that is a pet project or the managers son or “if I coach him I can unlock him” sort of player. I feel he must train really well so seems like a good pick. He has learned to get in position really well but then he doesn’t finish or just watches other players like the new kid trying to learn the magic. So there is a small chance he comes good but at the moment and half a season more will be ok but is being carried by the team as missing 30-50% of the possible result.
Maybe if they just fucking played him as a CAM like he’s supposed to be then he’d actually perform. They keep playing him at striker no matter where. Chelsea, Germany, Arsenal.
Saw this on twitter and I was speechless. Not from that, from the liverpool game haha
The speciality of Havertz is no body knows... That's exactly where the speciality comes, no body really knows.. not only his coaches, but also his teammates and somehow the opponent doesn't know what he wants going to do,,, that's why Chelsea won Champions League, because Guardiola doesn't know how to deal with him in 90 minutes, lose one moment and then gone.... 😂
His best position is playing a slightly higher center mid (free) role he excels when on the ball. He is also not an out an out attacker. He does find himself in lots of useful positions. I think if he was on the ball in the positions he favors, and was allowed to get into flow of the game more. he would be more comfortable on the pitch which would lead him to snatching at less opportunities he would also generate less chances. But there would more then likely be a trade off. The more comfortable and confident he is in his own game the more likely he is to putt the ball in the back of the net and although he would see less chances I bet his conversion numbers sky rocket with a bit of confidence. He is definitely lacking in confidence. And no matter what He definitely isn’t a false nine or a second striker. Playing out of position for so long at Chelsea definitely fucked with his attitude and self confidence.
Man those clips were brutal ahaha
Obviously I’m a Chelsea fan. Shortly after he arrived in 2020, I watched him score a hat trick in a Cup game against a div 2 or div 3 side. He was clinical in that game but gradually, he lost his way. I feel the physicality and pace of the league affected his self belief plus the fact that Lampard played him all over the field not knowing what to do with him. Tuchel narrowly tailored his position (as he did with every player) and he looked better and more useful. The season after we won the UCL, Kai looked like would kick on and was playing very well after Lukaku got injured and we were top of the league through late November/ early December when Kai got injured late in the first half away at West Ham (he played well up till then). Tuchel then had issues at home with his wife, Roman was sanctioned and some players like Kai, were negatively affected. No need to talk about Potter & Lampard 2nd regime b/c it didn’t help. Notwithstanding, my belief is young tall players sometimes need more time to understand how to get the most out of their big frame and tend to develop later than regular sized players. Also Coaching Stability is more of a need for bigger players than normal sized players. Arsenal is more stable in terms of managerial changes than Chelsea so there’s hope. The player is frustrating to watch but I like the player. This type of player cannot be shoehorned into a traditional “best position”. You have to think outside the box and implement a formation that works for him AND the team. Tuchel was on the right path until he was derailed by personal issues in his marriage.
Tuchel literally said himself that he didn't know what Havertz's best position was. He was never good for us under any manager. States prove it and eye test backs it up. Literally living off of 1 goal his entire Chelsea career. He was worse than bloody Werner and at least Timo tried and put in effort unlike that lazy donkey. Guy is decent at reading space and has good vision but that's pretty much it. He's rubbish at everything else and has no position. Can't shoot, can't finish, no composure, weak, doesn't use his height well, lacks the final pass, poor decision making, no athleticism and worst of all, he's a wimpy coward, physically and mentally. 65 million?! Thanks for Porto mate but good fu*king riddance.
During his time in Leverkusen he struck me as the anti özil. great at starting attacks, not so much the final ball but more willing to finish himself.
we must accept that he's that one of cool young prospect who finished after he reach 21
An Anti Ozil is a great analogy
He's basically the Premier Leagues Thomas Mueller
& playing two strikers upfront ( one being havertz) you are limiting the position to include a major chance creating Attacking mid/ 10
As a Chelsea fan the thing with Havertz is. i really hated his playing style at the beginning and couldn't understand why Tuchel kept using him until i realized that Haverts is actually a gem when the whole team is thriving and he gets to roam in the final third. He can't create something out of nothing like an Hazard or kdb he's not that kind of a player. But if u can use him probably u can get the best out of him. We saw it during the season Chelsea won the UCL. he thrives more in a 343 system with havertz playing behind werner and beside mount. we played more of an counter football. The likes of Reece James and Ben Chillwell were fullback at their best. Kante and jorghino were strong forces behind him. So basically he was free to roam from left to middle to right and he didn't really had a fixed position. so he could basically link up with everyone. and that's where i saw how good he is. In this Arsenal side and they way the play i don't think he is really needed because of the way they've set up in a fixed 433. Arteta has to change how the teams plays just for him to "free roam" it just doesn't work. I think he can really do well in a team like man city or bayern where certain players a allowed to free roam around the 10 area. And also for the people calling him sluggish and "lazy". if u can really utilize Havertz he instantly becomes a working machine. is weird i know. But In all of the Chelsea Champions league winning games. i think him and kante run the most distances each game. that should tell you that he's not lazy but just misunderstood. He isn't going to thrive in a 433. he needs to have that freedom in midfield to linkup with people. atm it just won't work at Arsenal. That doesn"t mean he's bad but just misunderstood. When i finally understood the system that suits him. he became on of my favorite players at Chelsea.
yeah but to be honest he doesnt suit Arsenal...his talent only work with Tuchel 343 system...he shoulve gone to Bayern rather than Arsenal...it would be terrible if Arteta change his all tactical and formation just to make Havertz suit him and the rest player might play like shxt...the best thing is let him go next season on loan or something...one of the worst signing ever
Kai Havertz (strictly from a performance stand point) reminds me a ton of Götze post BVB. His ability( despite what this video says) is exceptional. His movement is fantastic, he has great vision, he does have good ball handling and he has a very keen eye for goal. I think he does have that non-chalant “ I don’t care” vibe even when he does show passion. He could be world class and still think he will be but his best position would be a free roam #10 or a False 9 similar to Messi with Barça a here he has the freedom to move and flow with the attack and bring the game to other players
You have to be great to get that luxury in the modern game. He just simply isn’t
I had both havertz and martin in my fm19 arsenal save. Martin became a club legend, but havertz frustrated me so much oh god I don't want to remember that .
If we are being completely honest, Kai Havertz needs to be playing in a 4-3-2-1, wide enough where he can cut in and score, central enough to link up play albeit with a striker ahead of him......
Can someone tell me what Kai Havertz best position is?
I think he’s an attacking right midfielder,like a Bernardo silva
maybe a mezzala
I think arteta is trying to copy how peps mids are attacking like a silva or Phil foden
Number 10 just like in 18/19 when he got 20 goals and 10 assist or 19/20 when he got 19 goals and 9 assists and carried leverkusen being a generational player
As a Chelsea fan, Havertz over the past 2 years can be only described by one sentence: "How good would Thomas Muller be if he played outside of the Bundesliga?"
Müller has frequently played outside the Bundesliga, when you count Champions League or World Championships. In those competitions, he has two Champions League wins, a World Cup, two WC golden boots and amazing CL stats to his name. His assists are off the charts. That's not exactly s*it.
@cafeplastique890 but a raw thomas muller who understands the game very well but isn't good at everything else which is very bad for havertz in the grand scheme of things he can succeed maybe la liga but the prem is too much for his abilities to be used bc you know there is talent in this kid
@@jesterbeats2898You are drunk, he would flop worse in the La Liga. The La Liga is about being elegant, Havertz isn't elegant, no IQ play
@@afallenworld1581 I don't think you play or understand the game as much as think you do the way he finds space is on the level of Thomas muller but considering prem and the Bundesliga are two different leagues in playing style you wouldn't notice it as much as you think you will notice it
@@jesterbeats2898 Now you are confused, he is Muller type player without the elegance, go watch Mullet makes simple one touch plays. Odegaard and Saka can make those plays despite you nonsense claims of space, the Premier league also averages the highest yellow cards, that means there is actually a lot of space. Havertz is os juts average simple.
Football is so refined now that some players thrive in certain leagues and not in others. Slight nuances in play make all the difference now.
Once he actually starts playing regularly in his actual position for the first time in 4 years we will see how good he is nowadays
What is his actual position
And what might that position be? Lol
@@VizehCAM
@@Vizeh no10, not 6 or 8 at arsenal, no cf or striker or even a semi winger at some point at chelsea. The last time he was the cam in a working system working around him was in 2019 and then he was what wirtz is now. I don't think arteta will play him there for the whole season and that he bought him as xhaka replacement so I am 99% sure he will show everyone why he has been so costly.
@@botenet1989In No World is he a better No.10 than Odegaard
I have two things to say: Thank for the UCL winning goal Kai and thanks for the 65 mil Arsenal - Sincerely, Chelsea FC fans
@@dontclickmyvideo4978Chelsea being a better club From a Chelsea fan
Fairs
@@dontclickmyvideo4978 Don't feel bad for us, we've won it all.
@@dontclickmyvideo4978how is arsenal with 0 ucls better than us
2 UCL's mate x@@dontclickmyvideo4978
Chelsea fan here. Having watched him for the last 3 years, He is a second striker and his best attribute is his first touch. He is good at ‘doing the right things’ in a simple and elegant way. His best games for us were the two legs against real madrid in the ucl winning season, against dortmund and man city in the finals. In all of these games, we adopted a transition style and Havertz is a transition player who needs a style that utilizes his innate sense of space to the maximum. The problem with him is that, to get the best out of him, you have to change your entire system. He’s not someone who can fit to any system and look world class.
He’s a number 10 but he’s a different type of number 10 like a Dele Alli or Muller he has good iq and thrives running of the striker that’s why he did well in 20/21 running of Timo Werner
Dele Ali at his best was very very direct. I don't see that at all with Kai Havertz.
@@fatdaddy1996 I think that’s because of confidence
Lookin at James Lawrence Allcott's latest videos, and the way Brighton and Man City use Joao Pedro and Julian Alvarez respectively as practically second strikers really makes me think this could be Havertz's best position. I just don't think he'll play there for Arsenal unless Odegaard gets injured.
Y'all can blame Chelsea managers and mess and whatever you want but the fact of the matter is that he was given the opportunities. He was played in every single suitable position possible but was not good enough almost everywhere. His most appropriate position seemed to be at the CF position with runners behind him to utilise his hold up play but we weren't able to provide him that. I'm doubtful that this Havertz LCM gimmick is going to work out considering how many sacrifices Arsenal has to make to accommodate dor him. I have followed his career regularly for the last 4 years and do not hate him at all, in fact I am still quite fond of him. I hope Arteta manages to make him work, I'll be glad for it. Every single Twitter tactico loves his xPerformances more than his actual performances. If you are one of them, you guys will love him
Agreed Dareo. I have no animosity to him at all. I hope he works out and I'm proved wrong, that'd be great. I just don't see it happening.
Maybe a weird shout, but maybe he could play defensive midfield. I think u could compare him to frenkie de jong, great on the ball with good defensive traits
Those lowlights were shocking 😮
Hejust needs time. He was asked to perform out of his best role during his entire tine at Chelsea with little manager continuity. And now at Arsenal Arteta is asking him to perform an extremely complex role to which he has to adapt, but no just him also his teamates. They need to learn to pass the ball to him between the lines, to exploit the space vacated because of his movement, to launch long ball to him to fight for the second balls, to attack the box when he pins the CBs when the ball is in wide areas near the box. It's part of the process and it is too early to judge. Also he is just 2
Havertz is a classic 10. Goals are expected from a 10 and also the ability to read the game and dictate the tempo. I feel like Havertz would thrive at this position.
This man managed to put together 12 minutes worth of clips of Havertz missing shots😂
I have to say, I kind of agree with what has been pointed out in this video. Honestly, it might be the fact that Havertz never adapted to the Premiere League, or that he did not had the right players alongside him, but for that kind of money, which in my opinion were worth at that time, not as many footballers prices nowadays, for that kind of money you expect something different that not many players can bring to a football club. I also think that maybe, we as football fans, might get to attached to some players and that is why we get our hopes high and really want them to succeed at any time. Havertz is a likable person, I remember how hyped I was as a Chelsea fan to have both him and Werner at the club. But sooner rather than later we might want to see them succeed even more than we would celebrate our club winning a match. I remember when Chelsea won, but Havertz or Werner would not score I would say something like "damn, why wouldn't they got at least 1 of the goals, so they can prove their worth and start building some confidence". Havertz is a good player, if he wasn't one he wouldn't have played for both Chelsea and Arsenal, he just needs to find his own pace and set his own goals that will help his club achieve great things. After all, it is not impossible to get on top, but for sure it is really hard to stay on top.
Thank you for this comment mate
Kai havertz should play as a second striker just behind an unselfish striker like werner or giroud with an attacking mid behind him, going off the ucl final goal he scored, he had mount put a throughball in, and both havertz and werner making a run, with the city defence unsure on whether to mark havertz or werner, he should be in a system where him or his strike partner make confusing mock runs to limit how much marking they get and they’ll end up with more 1 on 1 chances
Imagine how difficult it must be for him to be played out of postion 90% of the time (he is not a striker) and then at other times be put intoa different position because someone else is injured or not good enough. He is a very good offensive midfielder, probably top percent in the world, but he can never get into a rhythm because the next game he will be fielded as a striker or winger again. Also, I think that no player except the obvious top players of the world like neymar, mbappe, messi deserve such a high price tag.
Harvetz is basically a street footballer, where he does things off the cuff. He would've done well back in the 80s and 90s, where tactics were not such an important thing like now
Kai is the new ozil mercenary for money 🤑💰 1. Highest paid , will sell the most jerseys 2. Gonna play very good first season and a half at most , then disappear 3. Great vs smaller teams ghost in big games , like ozil 4. Gonna play great again before that new contract 5. Ozil excuses ' sigh better players and I will play better '
The thumbnail is my exact question and still is
Havertz for me can only be used as a free role player. You need players all around him doing everything and have him floating around, coming into the ball after the CF lays it off, interchanging with the RW or arriving late in the box. He might do well in a team like Man City or Real Madrid or Bayern Munich.
What is he good at? He's the kind of player that at his best, he looks pretty good at everything. And you're right. One attribute does not stand out over everything else. And when he's in bad form you wonder what he *can* do? Whether he can do anything at all. Unfortunately his best has rarely been seen in England. As for his position, I'd have to say he's a central 10 if I had to pick one but he's pretty vague positionally and you get those players sometimes. Mount is a bit like that IMHO and Oxlade - Chamberlain too.
Well the fact that he has eyes for goals and connecting upfront i think i should decently say an 8 or AM sense kinda of player
backing havertz good medium term to long term player arsenal still needs to do a lot in their squad to win a league so many factors come into play were overanalyzing such a small piece of the big picture
‘High intensity’ have you seen him run? It’s always a slow jog if he’s up front.
To me he's closest to Thomas Muller and suffers from the same "problem" of not having a fixer position. He could be a raumdeuter and I bet he would be cooking in Bayer rn. However that's a very rare role and not many teams and coaches knos how to use it. He would need to have a team built around him and most times that hasn't happened
Lewis and Lee in the intro 👌🏼☺️
In terms of positioning, he may be like muller (Raumdeuter). With muller getting old, lets see how he perform for germany.
I think its more a case that there are clear systems and positions within that system, none of which suit Havertz, he doesn't have an archetype. Having him in a free role at the edge in the third quarter of the pitch would suit him best, but he no manager wants to built a team around 1 player, and if they did Havertz isnt the kind of player to get that treatment. I also think expectations need to shift. He isn't a really striker, if he doesn't score goals that fine, being a more progressive player around the edge of the box to create chances and initiate presses is probably what he'll be doing, and with Ødergaard, Nketie and Trossard, its flexibility and depth Arsenal didn't have last year, which lost them the title.
Arteta should use him as RW in Cup games & give much needed rest to Saka, also should use him as a CDM with either Rice or Partey as a Double Pivit.
He’s a lot like Donny Van De Beek, a creative player that does best with players ahead of him that can cut it back for his late runs.
His most successful time at Chelsea came when he was played with Abraham. He’s not a 10 or a 9, he’s more of a second striker. Like timo werner, laturo Martinez and Nkunku. However he’s a second strikers that only works with a specific kind of striker in front of him unlike the other players I mentioned. It doesn’t matter who Nkunku, Martinez play with they still gonna eat. But with Havertz I think it’s essential what kind of striker it is. Out of all the striker he played with at Chelsea it worked the best with Abraham. So if arsenal go get Oshimen for example because he’s very similar to Abraham I think Havertz would thrive.
Play him on the wing. If he’s not doing anything at least you can avoid that side unlike when he plays in the middle.
His dribbling in tight play and footwork is his best attribute. He's dangerous in the box, but it's tough at Chelsea. CFC Forever. KTBFFH
Chelsea fan.. he’s not a striker, he’s best behind the main vocal point of the team being able to freely move arriving in the box. He’s definitely a confidence player also. He’s definitely a hybrid. I wish him well at arsenal but I don’t think it’s Gona end well for him because of oodegard. I can’t hate on him he won us a ucl so like I said I wish him well in his career from here.
Havertz is a shadow, but not a striker. That's his true essence.