The Xu Xiaodong Match From 2017 That Got Stopped (ft. Ma Baoguo)
Xu Xiaodong vs Ma Baoguo. This is the Xu Xiaodong 徐晓冬 match from June of 2017 that got stopped for not exactly clear reasons. It was supposed to take place in a Shanghai location and both sides had appeared on camera to agree to all the rules and were ready to start. From research online, it appears that self-proclaimed Tai Chi Xingyi master Ma Baoguo (Xu's scheduled opponent) was in some ways directly or indirectly responsible for the match getting stopped right before it was supposed to happen. Apparently. Ma's nephew called the authorities right before the match and that's why the match was shut down for being an apparent violation of "fire safety hazards." Also, Ma Baoguo did eventually step up against another MMA hobbyist: • Tai Chi Master Who Ran...
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Breaking news (5/17/20): Ma Baoguo comes back to fight. This time, he takes on MMA hobbyist Wang Qingmin: kzhead.info/sun/a6udoa6XrpxooX0/bejne.html When interviewed a year later about the match, Ma came up with this excuse: kzhead.info/sun/fdR-fcuCpqZmoZ8/bejne.html The event in the video happened in 6/26/2017 according to research. As an update, sources at the match tell me that Tai Chi Master Ma Baoguo's dojo has since closed after this incident. To see Ma's students test themselves, we've actually covered two of the matches: MMA vs Wing Chun - kzhead.info/sun/gpWjiMuOpaB4hKs/bejne.html No Gi Jiu Jitsu vs Kung Fu - kzhead.info/sun/qJWGab2ibp6gfIk/bejne.html If you like my translations and want to learn Chinese, please go to my learn Chinese channel: kzhead.info/tools/_E_R34VQo47FfnwF3ABlDQ.html Xu Xiaodong's channel that he created in 2019: kzhead.info/tools/IXOIjR2mp8tHz78DE0vj2A.html
Ahhhhhh communism
it's a bit sad that TMA are dying off so easily, but it's even sadder that TMA came to be so lousy that there is no purpose for them to continue. Why is it so exceptionally rare for TMA types to evolve in a positive direction rather than stagnate or deteriorate? of all the kung Fu schools around the world and the countless people who have dedicated their lives to perfecting it. Why is it all so useless?
@@dfpguitar i hear that, my bet is they got lazy physically and passed that laziness on for generations. Substituted in flailing their chi about instead of good old fashioned hard work and conditioning.
@@dfpguitar thats what happens when you mix spiritual bullshit with martial arts. Martial arts are supposed to be the search of the truth. Once they started taking everything taught to them as gospel they lost. Can't tell what works or works for you if you're not sparing and every drill is done with extreme compliance. Also, the Chinese revolution kinda neutered Chinese martial arts. Chinese government wasn't fond of people learning real shit and be able to do what they did.
@Yautah: Yeah instead of seeing the newest effective techniques and training in them, they must have assumed that their teachings must be better, idk.
Fire hazard is very real. Props to the police for intervening. Because once the fight starts, tail chi man will start throwing fireballs, and everyone in the room will burn!
China Was Peaceful, 4000 Years of History, Everything Changed When The Communist Fire Nation Attacked.
You had me going for a second.
thanks for thinking about the vulnerable wooden flooring
🤣🤣🤣 good one
Not gonna lie, you had me in the first half😂
End the fight before it even started.damn thats some Sun Tzu shit right there
The authorities are just saving the Tai Chi master from an @zz whoop'n, bruh.
Not quite dim wit
@@louisguzzo6189 then why were they there?
That master is such an arrogant coward!
Nothing to see here folks, move on, just another face saving exercise.
you should check out that scandal where Ma Bao Guo asked some MMA guy in the UK to come and film some promo video with him, then edited it together and told everyone he beat up the UKs best fighter. He's even written a book about his "experiences" teaching Taiji to foreigners. Totally shameful
my humble guess would be ,the "master" got scared when he saw Xu was the real deal :P
He scared when Xu showed up lol
Xu is decent got very good but he can easily destrot these fake masters
Jeff I've been watching your videos ever since you started covering Xu XiaoDong. Excellent work. However can I make a suggestion? Instead of saying "the fighter on the left is XXX and the guy on the right is YYY", can you just mention their shirt or shorts colors? Much easier and less confusing because the fighters always switch sides as soon as you start talking. Otherwise keep up the great work!
Great idea!
I'll take a guess that Tai Chi master and his clique are saving face by making excuses for the fight to be cancelled.
I would say you are 100% right
@@richardhenry1969 110 %
Hey, fight commentary break downs, great moves keep it up.
I think tai chi master sensed with his chi that things were not going to be pretty for him, I guess he is not so blind to see that a younger stronger man with no intentions to hold back would easily get past his “defensive maneuvers “ and escaped beautifully and then never went to the event to fight xu
kung fu master about to use 100% of his fire burst fist, xu lucky the cop steps in..
Haha !!
The police saved Xu's life, he'd either be dead or still in a cast to this day.
Saw that once on black belt theater
Thanks for your video and translations. Like!
You always do a great job with these vids and narrating,got me hooked on your channel and fights lol!
You in LA? We should meet up!
@@FightCommentary are you not in China right now? Don't know where I got that impression
@@FightCommentary Yeah I am in Los Angeles, you are welcome to be on our show anytime 👍👍
I respect Tai Chi Chuan but leave it for the old folks in the parks. It has no place going head-to-head with MMA fighters.
round about midnight , agree. It’s an exercise for health.
Maybe have a very tall and very fit old guy train it and then fight this guy lol.
The dedicated practitioners believe it's an elite martial art, true Tai Chi masters are basically ninja wizards.
Ma wouldn't last 30 seconds without going into ICU.
Jerry can you make a video breaking down Tenshin Nasukawa style? ,forget the fight against Floyd l've seen kickboxing footage of Tenshin and the dude is a prodigy , l'd like to hear your opinion on his techniques and his fight lQ and performance
If your scared say your scared
Not the Chinese way 🤓
@@FightCommentary neither is learning how to fight properly hahaha ay man :)
I scared to chalengge shaolin monk
Tai Chi master looked powerful, youthful and athletic. Lucky thing for Xu the cops stepped in!
clap clap clap lol
hm...........you sure XU is the one challenge the TMA? it usually the other way around right?
Did you find a way to suggest to the Panda that he should challenge the foreign Masters from or in Japan, Korea, Russia Etc ? Thus allowing the Chinese establishment to have reasons for national pride in the Panda and perhaps he could fly on a plane again and be treated more like a National Treasure than a pariah ?
But xu is trying to break down on the fake Masters in China
@@akmalidham I think John is pointing out a way that Xu and the PRC could develop a symbiotic relationship. The PRC gets to promote radical nationalism while Xu gets to unmask frauds. It's a rather clever idea. But, to your point, Xu does seem obsessively focused with mainland China.
@@elenchus China is his homecountry after all.
I'm not sure if you're aware of this, but I heard that Xu is gonna fight a Bajiquan master named Qiu Baolong in about a month's time. I've seen a few videos of him demonstrating his art, and from what I can gather, he seems to be a very competent and combat-oriented master. Although I have little faith in the majority of 21st century Kung fu masters, this guy is one of the few masters I've seen whom I have high hopes for in the ring. If and when the fight does happen, it would be great if you could release a video covering the full fight.
Everyone has a plan till they get punched in the face. How can you be a master an never spar that is the same as never being in a fight an sparring is not fighting, I really think it's sad that the non fighter's have that much control of martial arts in there country. No one ever gives up power easy I wonder what it will take to bring martial arts back to what it should be an not a joke that they are making it
Exactly. Fucking "Masters" that never fought and are full of dubious stories. We gotta see the younger guys that actually go at it. Then, things may change.
The watermark; "We will archeive reunification one way or another", is this a politcial message related to the Taiwan-China issue?
Hey brother can i mirror part of this video?
I do not think Ma ever ran away from Xu Xiao Dong. A few years ago, Ma and Xu agreed to fight in the public and someone mysteriously called the police to stop the match. It has been widely speculated that Ma called the police to avoid being beaten. However, I think it was Xu Xiao Dong who called the police at that time to avoid a possible backlash from beating down a man who was over 65 years old at that time. One evidence is that Xu recently openly challenged and waitedfor Yi Long at the Zheng Zhou (郑州) train station and again MYSTERIOUSLY someone called the police to intervene and gave him some verbal admonishment with regard to his inappropriate behavior in the public. In both cases, it made Xu Xiao Dong look like a victim in the oppressive Chinese regime and help him to boost his image as fighting against the fake martial artists. Even Yi Long remarked that that incidence was totally made up and publicized by Xu Xiao Dong and his cult followers. As to Ma's Tai Chi Level, I checked out his tutorials and demonstration. His taichi or XIng Yi Fist movement are quite strange and made me doubt he had any solid martial arts background .His sword demonstration is a joke. However, he appears to have some training unlike Tian Ye（田野), but I doubt he completed any rigorous training under any one renowned master.
What??? I'm on youtube watching youtube! Lol
Here’s perhaps something to add some context as to why all these kungfu people are so angry with him. I have not seen ANYONE talk about this. But I came across and article in SCMP from 2017. Because of Xu’s initial fight, that lead to the govt banning a bunch (8) practices for kungfu practitioners: conferring rankss, Calling yourself master or successor, organizing matches, creating styles, accepting apprentices, making money from accepting students, creating certificates for students / coaches / judges, Or making public statements.
I want to see video where a skiny old mma guys are challenge by a big young taichi guys ....
maybe it was the tai chi guy that challenged the mma. But you can see it at reverse if it suits whats in your head.
Skinny old mma guys don't think they're at their best anymore so they won't challenge young guys. But im pretty sure old ufc fighter would still beat young taichi guys.
Plus, that ip man descendent guy was younger and bigger and buffer than xu but still lost horribly
@@tlanhluachuteh174 who?
@@Eric-vs2he whata who?
I Love the intro 😂
i like xu calling out masters, its like the old days. kinda shit how they all like 50+ tho. he should fight there best student or somthing imo
The tai chi master looks like a tired old grandfather who was saved from an inevitable beat down!!!
Grab my wrist.... No the other one.
before you said "the guy on the left or the guy on the right" I thought the one on the right was the grandfather of some kid behind and the actual master was the muscular guy in the back...... am I alzheimering ?
I think the Tai Chi guy might've been too proud to back down, and his nephew was like, "Uncle you massive idiot" and called the cops to shut it down.
I feel like fighting on a hard ass basketball floor is a bad idea.
that's where we fought in high school all the time. it was fine
"We will achieve reunification one way or another". Sounds rather ominous.
Yep. I noticed it too after I uploaded.
@@FightCommentary probably a reference to Taiwan
6:49 *Shining Hentai Chi* LMAO 😂
Xu Xiadong wouldve massacred him.
Why does it say the bit about "we will achieve runification..." on the camera?
probably the original uploader wants China to take Taiwan back.....
@@MonkeyStealsPeach Oh! Wow, I guess that's still a big issue there. I wouldn't have thought the mainlanders would have such a strong opinion on the issue. I'm from the west though, and generally uninformed on the current political climate there. Thank you for your thoughts
People need to understand that if you're going to fight someone, you have to fight the same style that your opponent is fighting...
Uhmmmm, NO.
@@cy5282 🤣
I'm not sure about that. If you really want to beat a kickboxer, you'll use wrestling or BJJ. Once they're on their back they're just ordinary, albeit in great shape, untrained guys.
B b but mma is mixed it has many styles
@@weirdscience8341 of course that's why he always wins by pounding the hell out of his opponent
I spent the fist minute & a half try to figure out where the other fighter was. I assumed the guy in the black shirt & pants was someones dad
The more I watch how China manages itself, the more I am confident that China does not have a strong government.
Noowww u knowww....
@@Hari-vg3gy this is embarrassing on the highest level of understanding.
Sorry, is this master just got knocked down 3 times in a single round today???? The same person?
Yelp same master
Police are not helping the master this time ha
Xu is the fighter, he's also the corner coach, he's his team's manager, and it also seems like he's the event manager now.
it's a shame he isn't better at marketing
@@elenchus yes...he's also the marketer.
"She's cute", keep your mind on your commentary.
The tai chi guy looked like he was there to give a chemistry lecture
It's painfully obvious that Ma Baoguo wimped his way out of this match. I think he assumed that Xu wouldn't show up, but when he did, Ma had a back up plan to get himself out of this. Months ago, I saw a youtube clip of Ma doing a staged exhibition with a European MMA fighter named Peter Irving. Later, Ma tried to give the impression that it was a real fighting match between them, and claimed that he beat Peter Irving so easily. All of this BULLSHIDO stuff is so hilarious.
Is Xu Xiaodong literally fighting ONLY meager, unfit, and obviously frail people? The only time it was not the case he got knocked out. ??
*Sees the master next to Xu Xiaodong* Are you joking? That would have been a bloodbath.
Management:"yeah i allowed it, whats the worse that could happen?" Lei Lei Fan:*shows Dragon Ball Z Tournaments* Management: *Pikatchuface*
This is 'saving face' at its finest. Some old man challenges MMA fighters someone claims it's a fire hazard to save the old guys ego.
the master's "Hadouken would've burned the room 😂😂
Tai chi isn't a fighting sport. It's more like Chinees yoga
Reunification? What's that about?
If the powers that be were wise,they would back Xu
Not dumb just evil.
don't imagine that the authorities at the local and national levels of the PRC are a unified, coherent political body. The bureaucracy there is a mess. China is facing huge, vast, perhaps insurmountable problems at the cultural and economic levels and no one really has a clue where to go with it. Hong Kong is basically erupting right now via the mere thought that they might have to adopt even a small extradition treaty with the PRC, their supposed head of state.
Tai chi Master is to old to fight a young pro MMA fighter 🤣 Tai Chi is for health longevity .
Tommy Reyes , agree 100%
I seen this old guy fight, looks like he had no fighting skill, a street fighter could beat him up, no need for trained mma fighter
What's most telling is that the tai chi master did not speak for himself.
Did they put a hidden message in the video about the Hong Kong conflict? we will achieve reunification one way or another?
It could be about Taiwan
No idea what that old was thinking lol !
The power of Tai chi shut the power down, called the cops and defeated our Panda. Little did you know the whole time the Tai chi master was fighting just not in a way where the untrained eye could see or figure out! Osu! Its an ancient technique Tai chi 911!!!!
Hahahahaha 😜
@@FightCommentary 😏👊
Authorities? NO, embarrased over failure fears!
That Taiji master even look like the typical crooked businessman/politician type you used to meet in China, before president Xi Jinping started his anti-corruption camping.
What's with the "We will achieve unification one way or another"?
Delusion meets reality then wakes up a little...
I know what happened. His wife told him she forgot to pay his life insurance she depended on!
Some tai chi teachers don't even teach push hands much less real sparring anymore. It's not taught as a complete art anymore like it started.
Why the fuck fight a tai chi guy? It's like fighting a Yoga guy who doesn't even do bag work.
Xu's Kung Fu is so strong he wins by his opponents fear of humiliation
He challenged this old guy! Pathetic. Master or not. The old guy shouldn’t accept it, and Xu needs to chill.
With all the time they spent arguing, people would have been out the door faster if they had just fought.
Yi long vs xiao dong... Raise your thumbs
No,no,no. Yi Long is legitimate. He's not a real monk but he does actually win fights. Look at his record!
Cant believe he would fight an old guy that's not in his wieght class not a contest
I think you will find this is how things will go from now on. These old guys cant possibly stand full contact. Maybe a younger master should step up so the old ones dont shit thier nappies
I bet the guy on the left win. All my life savings and all my concubines
Which guy on the right? You mean that old man?
Yep. That old man.
I think when ya get to a certain age, the agility and ability declines. They have every right to claim their mastery, but for the most part like most athletes do, should retire from competition and stop claiming the fame. This is like going up to Reggie Jackson and challenging him to a home run competition.
Glad it didn’t happen. Old dude was about to get fucked up.
What's the point in fighting these out of shape old guys that do tai chi at parks? Where are the other Kung Fu guys at? The heavy hitting stylists and stuff that aren't old as shit or emaciated.
yup.. a good martial artist is slightly precognitive. this guy had this faint feeling he was about to receive a beating. and that feeling grew..
Xu Xao Dong: I'll be back...
I doubt the place can hold 800’000 people lmao.
Better later than ever, this tai chi fraud finally got his ass kicked and this time with a simple hobbyist MMA fighter.
why are kung fu guys always dressed like they just got done overtiming at a bank
They were gonna fight on that slippery ass floor?
😔
Xiaodong would of won. Ma is way to old and dont look like he'll hold against even an average Joe fight.
Exactly. What's the point in fighting these out of shape old guys that do tai chi at parks? Where are the other Kung Fu guys at? The heavy hitting stylists and stuff that aren't old as shit or emaciated.
This "Tai Chi Master" is a COWARD, Jerry!
THEY SAVED THAT DUDES LIFE....LOL
Damn it I want my money back. 🏋️♂️
Nice walk in the ring 😂
China banning Xu carrier then cries over Huawei banned.
it is certainly amusing to hear the PRC complain about economic manipulation...
6:15 i agree.
He fighting with old man.. Please find the real traditional pro fighter.
AMSolo Gaming in Tai Chi, age and weight are not their concerns, because Tai Chi teaches everyone to use an oz to fight a lb.
AAAARRHRGRGRGRGRGEGRR WHYYY STOPEED!!!!!! GOOD FIGHTING TO SEE
a life was saved
The movie tai chi master (starring jet li) is not real. But yet there are tons and tons of tai chi practitioners who takes that movie as being the real thing.
Master Chicken !
Old man won't last 10 second
i want fight with taichi master. its for me still exited to get askkicked by then
Xiaodong had his @$$ handed to him by a Chinese Muay Thai fighter