Watcher Entertainment Just Ruined Their Own Company
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Here's a link to the announcement video: kzhead.info/sun/mpGomM1poIuGaKM/bejne.html&ab_channel=Watcher
Nobody wants to see Steven flying first class and eating gold plated food from five star restaraunts while wanting the fans to fund this crap while folks are struggling. Plus Lim has no charisma
Don't forget his 80 thousand dollar tesla.
@@blitzofchaosgaming6737 And that too
I agree completely, that kind of stuff has been done to death.
and its like basically we'd just be paying steven lim to watch his fat ass eat everything in sight, when people are struggling it makes me so mad.
People want to see that, just not enough people to justify the cost to produce
"taking a buzzfeed quiz to see what type of vegetable you are or something like that" lmaooo too accurate 😂
You have no idea how many Discussion Boards or papers I put on the back burner due to those dang quizzes lol
That cracked me up, too!
@@MyKindofEntertainmenthaha honestly same though! i feel like a lot of people would be too embarrassed to admit it, but i guarantee there were tons of other people that did the same thing we did 😂
They slap us in the face. I followed them from buzzfeed and watched every video they had uploaded. I'm not paying to just to watch them.
"Just to watch them.", Couldn't agree with this more
And you think about how they only release a couple videos on KZhead per month, why would I pay a subscription if you aren't pumping out way more content? Netflix and other streaming services have hit series and movies with a wide range of selection. However, the Watcher site only has the content ALREADY AVAILABLE for free here on KZhead!
@@MyKindofEntertainment not even to mention they had 12k people on Patreon, they weren't hurting for money. They're being greedy
R u poor? Im 14 and can rven afford it with my allowance😂😂😂 you shohld support cool people
@Personpersonpersonperson this is the most out of touch with reality comment. A lot of people complaining can afford it: it's the act of supporting this that we chose not to. Do you realize that people in other countries have to pay WAY more for this service, because a single USD is far greater than what they make in a day? Why should we pay for something that was originally free, and they already make 50k to 200k on patreon alone A MONTH? That's more than I make in a year, why would I give them more money? Bills add up when it comes to streaming services, and when Hulu gives me thousands of shows for 7.99 and they only give me 4 new episodes a month... who am I picking? Besides, I want their old shitty format and low budget quality back, not whatever fake TV production this is. They are allowed to do what they want, but they wouldn't gaslight their audience that "this is for you guys!" Anyway, yeah, you can afford it with your allowance because you don't have bills to pay, have a roof over your head, and don't pay for groceries. Really insensitive comment dude.
If they can't make money with the ridiculous amount of cash coming in they really need to scale back
Yeah, the math ain't mathin...
Exactly my thought. 🙃
It's because they live in Cali, and they are just Hollywood wannabes. Living way beyond their means. Anyone dumb enough to run a business in Cali deserves to fail. They could literally just move out of Cali and double their income, but that's not their goal. They want to go to Hollywood parties, and pretend to be big shots. That channel hasn't given us anything we subbed for since they started either. No Puppet Theater, no True Crime, just them taking vacations, or reading VIEWER SUBMITTED stories.
Puppet History is the best content imo, Shane needs to go solo
Seriously, dude is far too talented to be stuck behind a paywall limiting those who would watch his stuff. TBH had he not come up with the idea, I don't think Watcher would be what it is now. It'd still be popular, but Puppet History did for Watcher what Elmo did for Sesame Street.
Shane has the best ideas and energy - he would really be better alone
Ghost files is way better
@@localabsurdist6661he doesnt have the discipline or stamina to go alone.
They need to drop Lim. Ghost files is funding the entire network and can’t cover all of Lim’s escapades/budget. They mentioned the CEO is Lim so I think it was him that made the finally call/the buck stops with him.
Darn shame if that's really the case because IMO the only person 'excited' about this shift was him due to it being the revival of Worth It...
Hasn’t everyone figured out the problem is Steven Lim by now 🤮 ditch him & get back to what made you big!!!
The thing I'm afraid of is they will increase the price of their subscription fees. From 6 and slowly becoming more expensive.
They already upped their Patreon prices this weekend and will put them into effect tomorrow.
Oh, I have no doubt in my mind that like Netflix or Disney+ those 'prices everyone can afford' will increase when they find the number of subscribers isn't as high as they would hope...
How can millions of their viewers from third world countries afford $$$?
@@renpilak6048doesn't matter where you're from even elon musk won't pay for this .
they will.
When I saw this news drop, it ruined my day. I remember being so obsessed with mainly Puppet History, that I made my own Professor puppet because I couldn't afford the plushies. Seeing that they want to put their future content behind a paywall(and were planning on removing their old content from KZhead and putting it on the streaming service instead) is heartbreaking. I'm keeping my professor, and the good memories, but to respond to their video, I will not be "joining them" for the next chapter.
It was a sad day indeed...
Based on the financial breakdown in the video, it sounds like they didn’t know how to budget and scale production appropriately enough based on what they were pulling in. I don’t have any reason to think they will be able to budget and scale production with the revenue they get from this streamer to avoid the same money troubles, so why invest my money? Plus the tone of the video, they don’t even seem 100% on board with this idea so why should I be?
Seriously, I feel Ryan & Shane were kinda 'stuck' because I don't really sense they believe in this move. Stephen is the business man of the trio, but who knows what other folks he's been talking with that probably hyped up this plan. They were the ones who hired 25 employees, increased the budget on their content but if their huge platform here on KZhead isn't going to the streamer; how in the world is it going to work...
Lim is also the CEO
@@MyKindofEntertainment yes that last part! Thank you for the video!
I’m glad someone who watched them is making a video about this, because you know how disappointing this really is. :/
Thanks! Yeah, I've watched about half a dozen KZheadrs talk about it. However, they just kinda hopped on the viral topic even admitting they haven't heard of these guys and their channel OR they recognize them from Buzzfeed but never knew Watcher was a thing.
@@MyKindofEntertainment exactly!! 💖
It's basically greed. Pure and simple
Darn shame like King Midas, they are gonna ruin the riches they do have chasing even more...
they cry about not making enough money but Steven talked about wanting to get another Tesla… you are absolutely correct
They originally said they were going to paywall the old content also….but they backtracked on that real quick
DANG! I didn't know that! Yeah, that was the only good call they've made since the announcement. That would've ticked off SO many people and for good reason!
All I want is Puppet History, Ghost/Mystery Files, Are you scared, Weird Wonderful World and that series where they play video games. Common denominator of all of these series? Ryan and Shane. That’s it. No huge production. No idiotic food videos. No Steven Tesla driving, gold leaf eating, “I’m friends with racists and homophobes” Lim.
You said what most are feeling that's for sure!
He’s friends with racists and homophobes?
i have a professor plushie as well. I shall remember the good times with him as it's farewell to Watcher. killed by ego & ambition. Apologies for this long rant but I want to explain it so someone who's never watched them could also understand it. My issues with Ghost Files, and why i haven't seen season 2, is I'm a skeptic. And what I loved about Unsolved was Shane's flagrant disrespect of what we can call "ghost hunting protocol". he never pretended to be scared when there was nothing to be scared of. he always pointed out ACTUAL real world causes for the noise. Ryan- "Is someone screaming? Hello?" *hooting intensifies* Shane- "That's an owl." Ryan- "Oh." Ghost Files has so little of the banter they had before. Now Shane said it was HIS decision to be more respectful, to play into the 'it could be a ghost' bc it's "good entertainment". Whether that's true or he was maybe told to not be so aggressively skeptical....Ghost Files started to feel more like those obnoxious ghost shows on TV I don't watch bc they're outrageously fake and every creak is their imminent death. Ryan's obsession with more formatting, more fake ghost detection tech that doesn't work but he spends a HUGE chunk of the episode explaining how it works [never why it works, as in how is a ghost communicating by changing the temperature in a room and a device somehow knows exactly how to turn such a thing into words), and more overall polish has made it feel less real, more scripted, and unbelievably it's eroded the chemistry they previously had. I mean in alot of the episodes I watched of season 1 RYAN didn't even seem as scared as he was in Unsolved and he's the believer! I understand overcoming the fear or maybe being desensitized to it but at the same time, it also seems like for all the jokes he's cracking or walking through an alleged haunted house eating popcorn (something that sounds far more Shane-like than Ryan-like) that he's still trying to be a super serious ghost hunter. It felt weird to watch. It was like Shane was actually taking it seriously and Ryan was the one trying to do both his role in Unsolved and also Shane's. So in the goodbye video when Ryan says he wants MORE formatting, when I already think the changes are far too much, I sense Ghost Files is going to be Ghost Hunters At Home in the near future. It's like they forgot, or completely misunderstood, what made their previous shows so good. Or maybe they think a flashy too expensive set makes up for the issues bc pretty. I'm disappointed in them. P.S. great video btw!
I totally.see where you're coming from. I was also getting a little sick of Ryan's digs at Shane. I'm not sure what it is, whether it's that it's too frequent, or maybe they seem to carry a bit of venom instead of a good natured joke, I can't quite put my finger on it.
OMG you just put into words what I felt about Ghost Files...the banter is what set their Buzzfeed supernatural shows apart from the ghost hunting from the travel channel on cable!
It’s funny, as the number of “writers” on shows went up, the quality of the content has gone down 😢 just let Ryan and Shane be Ryan and Shane!
THANK YOU! I noticed that crap as well!
Shane + Ryan is the secret sauce tbh everything else is not needed & can go…
Are they still gonna ask viewers to send in stories for stuff like Too Many Spirits? That way people can pay to watch them make money off of what their viewers sent in
That's a good question
That was still up yesterday "please send in your stories" They were lambasted in comments
Ps - you gir it : they still have a patreon. Netflux, hulu and so on dont do that. They can either be a streaming service or a patreon supported youtuber channel. Trying to bd both is truly scummy. Thats doublrle dipping in their fams pockets.
You got that right! I really would like to know how many people subscribe to that mess...
I think it was tone deaf and honestly literally rude to people who stuck around since buzzfeed and especially to patreon. I pretty much agree with you. Makes me sad. Some people pointed out their "eat the rich jokes" which is like...oof.
I saw a few compilations on TikTok and Instagram over the weekend and it's brutal....truly doesn't feel like Shane is onboard with this change
Another puppet history enjoyer? Huzzah! A man of quality!
I feel like they’ve been so overly stressed about production and running the company that they’re not as focused on just having fun and using their dynamics for content
EXACTLY!
Look at Shane’s face💀 buddy did NOT wanna be in this mess🤣
Here's the thing to me: in the video they talk about production costs, they talk about the expenses, it all comes down to money. Where was that concern when they hired on their crew? Now I'm no expert, but I can't imagine they actually need 20-25 full time people for the content they make since the bulk of their shows are the hosts sitting in a studio dicking around with each other or guests. Where was that concern when Steven would do these weird food challenges? Flying to Seoul and eating as much street food in 24hrs as possible can't be that cheap. Really, where is the concern that they're overpaying themselves? I read where Steven was on a podcast talking about how he wanted to buy a second Tesla, that he was getting some bougie chic celebrity food delivered to his house every day, and then how he needed to work on his multi-million dollar home. These don't sound like the concerns of someone whose company is in the red, this sounds like a spoiled rich kid about to ask for more money. Their studio and headquarters are in LA; they live in LA; they did a nepotism and hired on a shit ton of their friends and family and would probably feel awkward about trying to let anyone go. I can only imagine that they care so much about the production quality just so that they can be taken seriously by the entertainment industry, and are only using this streaming service nonsense to try and appear legitimate, not "just" a KZhead channel. They don't want to downsize, move, or cut production costs (you know, the stuff businesses are supposed to do to try and keep themselves afloat) because that would appear as a failure. It's like they learned nothing from their time on Buzzfeed. Rome is about to burn and they're just tuning their fiddles.
Mic drop! Seriously, you said everything that needed to be said!
Preach 🙌🏽 this is the best synopsis of this whole stupid situation I’ve seen posted so far 😂
I’m kinda just wondering wtf happened between each other as all three are to blame for thinking to put their previously “free content” behind a paywall because the moment they started to private the old videos on the watcher channel on the streaming service. If Charlie understands how to finance people and own various of companies to get KZheadrs Adsense. Nux Taku was helped by Charlie’s company to get the stuff that belongs to Nux properly. The way he knows how much sponsorships, Adsense, patreon, and merch sales. Charlie knows if you finance it properly and towards your staff. It is fine. It just shows how all three are out of touch they are as ceo. I don’t understand if you are need of cash but also want to give the community. Why now do what Mr.Beast and oompaville and sell candy/food products because at least spending 6.99 feels valid as people would just buy food not a streaming service where people can buy it. Record all the shows and send them to internet archive and cancel subscription so people can watch it for free. (That kind of piracy exist and they do this just because if you start to gatekeep your work. There someone gonna pirate it. They shouldn’t alienate their audience like this as it is bad as it just feels they didn’t ask their followers on the option on shows that shows be cut or cut down the production on to fund larger projects. But no they go with the route of, “I want your money so I can eat expensive food and drive a Tesla while you are starving poor.” At least Markiplier has a sense to never alienate his audience and the production that he has done are the best.
No surprise if most of their audience consist of college students or people in their 20s who can't afford basic necessities let alone ANOTHER streaming platform. You guys make good content, but not good enough to make someone delete their Disney+ or Netflix accounts...
I think what they’re trying to do is build a studio from the ground up similar to Disney, WB, and paramount. If watcher was going for a route of being their own independent 3rd party studio and then eventually have so much money to fund people’s smaller projects like a big media companies. Then the three should’ve been more transparent that is the final goal is eventually be on the market stock so some billionaires buys it is a huge stretch and the most possible outcome for a lot of ceos is to sell their company on the market when it goes on stock. They’re probably gonna explain like 2 months later in a podcast on this or some mole who used to work for Watcher on Reddit the real story of what is going on. Because we have nothing on who greenlit this and I want to wait until the 3 speak on on it.
this is such a stupid move when they could have just added a higher tier on their patreon and accomplished essentially the same goal without losing a big chunk of their fanbase
I really wanna know what their plan is. Say not enough people subscribe to their site; how are they gonna afford the increased budget/production of the shows coming to Watcher TV? Shoot, they might wind up increasing the prices of the subscription sooner than most would think.
weird wonderful world is the best! Tourist trapped was excellent too ❤❤ (so sad) I have been rewatching unsolved during this mess and good lord it is better, the feel and vibe is just better. Like I applaud that they’ve worked hard on the new shows and they had to make something new due to contracts but unsolved was pure gold.
OMG thank you! Tourist Trapped was a banger! It was so sweet how Snoopy comforted Shane after that roller coaster ride.
I don't understand how they're so out of touch with their fans. We watch because of the dynamic between Shane and Ryan. We don't care for "better production value". I would watch Shane and Ryan play a game together on video. Even that simple. This is a mind-boggling decision. I haven't unsubscribed yet. I'm waiting for a response, but honestly, I'm getting super impatient.
Personally, I'm not gonna unsubscribe because: 1. They are leaving KZhead so me decreasing their channel by ONE subscriber ain't gonna mean much of anything 2. They will at least post the trailers/season premieres of their shows on their YT channel, I at least what to see those; well for some of their shows anyhow 3. If they do post some sort of response; I wanna be there to see it as soon as it's up!
@@MyKindofEntertainment I don’t want to unsubscribe. I want them to say anything and address things. I’m actually indefinitely sad bc I love Shane and Ryan a lot. I hope they can understand it from the comments they’re getting, but my guess is they feel attacked.
I haven't seen a video from a fans perspective yet, so thanks for sharing your thoughts! I feel like if they wanted to make more "high quality" stuff they should have tried getting a deal with Netflix or Hulu or something to develop a show. I wonder if they thought about it or tried and then it didn't work out.
Thanks so much! I'm willing to bet they POSSIBLY tried every option before getting to this point, but I'm thinking if they had tried...why wouldn't they have mentioned it in this video?
I followed them from Buzzfeed because Shane and Ryan's banter is top tier, but Watcher was never as good. Still I would check in every once in a while when I had time to kill. But I'm not gonna shell out 5.99 a month because two guys who made a great show 10 years ago and I'm hoping they'll hit gold again. I already did that with the last two seasons of GOT. I've learned my lesson.
they cared too much about “quality content” and not enough about comedy
Once you go corporate...ugh...I hate to see them of all people do this to us
Very good video. This resumes my feelings very well, I also prefer their buzzfeed unsolved shows better than their current Watcher versions. While the production value went up… the grab they have is not what it used to be. Except for Puppet history, I enjoy that more than Ruining History.
I can't sit here and pick between Ruining History & Puppet History because they're both so good lol come on now the episode of R.H. about the bear that fought in the war was so adorable. Not saying The Professor couldn't do it just as well but still. IMO Katie is the standout of that series as a guest haha love her energy
It was nice to get your perspective on it and I agreed with a lot of what you said. Like you I can probably afford to subscribe and I watch about half of what they put out (especially Puppet History, my favourite all time content), but honestly the way they've done this has sullied my view of them as people, and I don't think I want to follow them anymore. What get's me with influencers and famous personalities is why they get so surprised when they spend years building a brand/personality and gaining a following that way, then get surprised when no one likes them if they make a completely opposite decision to the way they've been portraying themselves. Like John Mulaney and Ned Fulmer being 'wife guys', or Shane Madej portraying an 'eat the rich' facade, of course people will be upset if you go against that.
10000% agree with your statements. It's one thing to make this shift in their operation but for it to come completely out of the blue or have some sort of indication that, "Hey guys, we've exhausted EVERY option that we had but nothing worked so we have NO CHOICE but to do this..." threw everyone for a loop!
Off context..please change your fire detector batteries 😂 it was freaking me out thinking it was mine
It was my laptop heating up not the fire alarm
Remember when Steven was screaming for 30 seconds straight on Too many Spirits? God that was annoying.i blame Steven
I really can’t stand him lol I like too many spirits but giving him the whole bit to make the drinks is just so bad
Didn't watch that episode, but thankfully I know NOT to watch it
Everything you're saying is exactly how I feel. I've been with Shane and ryan since the oj Simpson case on buzzfeed. When I followed them to watcher I liked their content but their were certain aspects of the buzfeed version I missed. Mainly the simplicity of it. I don't like mystery files for that very reason. There's too much going on. I loved the format of true crime alot better. And they cancelled great shows like 'Are you scared' for food reviews shows. Also I agree that ghost files needs to be shorter.
Yes, they aren't the Travel Channel or Food Network; I want the zany antics/banter of the fellas I've come to love so much as internet goofballs with a lot of heart.
Thank you for this breakdown as you were a true fan of Ryan and Shane, and we have yet to hear a response from them as well. Just still unbelievable the amount of greed they have to turn their backs on the ones that lifted them up.
Sad to say but just looking at their faces in the video (during the last 5 mins) I think Shane and Ryan told us what we could already figure out; they weren't for this...
For real it’s so sad I watched the unsolveds over and over and then watched ghost files over and over then are you scared then mystery files and now I won’t be able to enjoy their new content This just kinda feels like a slap in the face to their fans
It truly is
Omg they walked it all back 🤣🤣
YUP! I just saw that haha
I think the plan was to take down all the old YT channel stuff as well, they just backpedaled when the backlash started. I would really recommend Too many spirits to anyone who hasn't seen it, it has that unsolved vibe you mentioned
I watched like one episode, but I'll give it a try!
The video felt like emotional manipulation. I'm not against paywalls but I have a hard time wrapping my head around how launching their own streaming platform would be more profitable since they're one channel. At least with Nebula there are multiple creators I already enjoy. They probably have investors but do enough people really watch all the content they produce that it's sustainable long term? I could afford it but I'd rather pay for bonus/extended cut content by episode so I could pick what particularly interests me since their content is really hit or miss sometimes.
It baffles me that they'd still keep the Patreon. Are they expecting Patreon to not only keep their subscriptions there but also pay for the streamer to get the new content? Geez, way out of touch...
Can Steven go back to behind the scenes role. He is very unwatchable!
The only things I liked him in were his popups on Top 5 Beatdown...Puppet History...basically, only when he is with Shane & Ryan; outside of this video that is...
I would really like to know their financials. People are only talking about production costs, but there is also payroll, rent on the space they use for their office, etc. Sure I would still watch them even if they went back to their buzzfeed like videos in terms of their quality, but would the people be okay with that? I know the fanbase says they wouldn't mind, but its a whole other thing if it were actually to happen. If they are not wanting to lay people off, and not wanting to be at the whims of the algo and adverts...why not go to nebula? or one of the already established streaming services?
I'm not trying to pocket watch, but considering their enormous amount of views on YT and their Patreon numbers along with sponsors, merch store, etc. if the problem truly is money then that is THEIR fault for spending so much on shows that aren't cutting it and/or expanding their company with nearly 30 employees and might have trouble keeping up with the costs of everything. I'm not gonna sit here and act like them reverting back to Buzzfeed level quality is a bad thing because I still enjoy their Unsolved content. Personally, I never thought it was 'low quality' but that's just me.
Shane mentioned sharing passwords. What if we got a bunch of people, the more the better, to venmo one person to subscribe. Like if it was the whole year, everyone venmo one person a couple bucks and that person will then subscribe and share the password. That would require an incredible amount of trust though
I understand that they changed that, and there is now a device max.
If only...
When I saw the vid when it freshly came out I was shocked, I was like alright guys that's it then I'm not gonna be able to watch you guys anymore because in my country 6 dollars equals to like 30. So I guess it ends here. I'm not really mad because I understand maybe it's the best decision they came to. But after watching these commentary vids, I understand why some fans are so angry. Especially the patreons. I myself has been supporting them since buzzfeed era so it was definitely weird to see them go like this.
That's what I 'love' about the backlash; the FANS are coming forward and standing together! It's not just a bunch of people hating on them, it's the people who have been behind them since DAY 1!
This kind of thing can work, college humor rebranded to dropout and went to their own site, but there kind of programmes work better for that kind of show and they have far more different show that are all well produced and a giant team behind it, and they still put a lot of clips and some full episodes on their youtube channel to show what you would get.
Exactly! It's well rounded, Watcher eh not so much
Your smoke alarm chirps every 40 seconds. Change the batteries, fire safety is important.
Not a smoke alarm, it was the A/C in the other room.
I'm fortunate enough that I could afford their $6/month service. But I have no intention or desire to do that. Why would I pay that much for a single channel when I could get Disney+ or Netflix or anything else that has way more content? As someone that went from binging the Are You Scared series during work, since their goodbye vid, I can't stand to look at them now.
Man let me tell you, I am NOT giving up one of my current subscriptions for Watcher! Disney+ has way too much nostalgia and variety of content compared to the couple of Watcher shows I go out of my way to view. They are making a huge mistake!
I also only subbed for puppet history, I'm so disappointed knowing i won't see it continue anymore.
Well, we can at least see the season premieres on KZhead for free but the rest of the season is gonna be behind that paywall....
I was really hooked in that Elisa Lam case I legit thought someone really did something and it might be true or not but I was in a Rabit Hole when I watched their videos then I actually had Paranormal Experiences in some old Muesums so I liked them chasing Ghostsmatter of fact I used to live in Louisville KY my brother told me wanna go to that one Waverly Hills I said No wanna go to Bobby Mackeys my Dad said No lol so this really hits home and they did film themselves in Charleston South Carolina the Old City Jail where Ryan laughs like the Joker man its really hard not to be mad at them cause my Parasocial Relationship even during the Pandemic they helped us out during some tough times Folks dying from Covid they came to make us laugh
I don't know what I love more Ryan's Joker laugh, roller coaster scream or Shane's Big Foot call
This is a very relatable take on the subject 🙌
Thanks so much :)
They want to be something truly amazing without realizing that the fans thought their simple stuff is their amazing stuff
Simplicity certainly works best!
I think it was Lim’s idea but I think Ryan was totally behind it because he has this idea that he’s making TV shows and that’s his dream so he wants more freedom and money to do that. I didn’t get that Shane cared too much either way but I think he supported the others goals. They used to have great chemistry but somehow with the increase in production, the banter fell down and felt less organic. I loved them at Buzzfeed, enjoyed them on Watcher KZhead, and I will miss them on their streamer service.
I think Steven was the main guy (being CEO) to hype up the decision, Ryan probably went along with it because as you said it's his dream to make the TV quality content but Shane is kinda the laid back dude like; "Whatever bro..." yet it doesn't seem like he had any issue with what they were already doing...
I don’t really know their main audience but if it really is university students and high school students I don’t know if that’s gonna work. Me personally remembered scraping together change from my car seats to buy 2 AM Taco Bell dollar menu so if the world has change ,which I think it’s worse , this might not work
Agreed!
I 100% agree with everything you said.
Thanks!
I think most people knows who is the brain of this streaming idea. His name is Steven Lim.
Sad but most likely true. Bro, we don't give a darn about a Worth It revival. ALL of his shows he tried doing on Watcher BOMBED! What does putting the show(s) that failed on another platform that you have to pay for do that would make them succeed when they didn't on KZhead?
I think that the point is that they want to make what they want to make and not what their fans want them to make anymore
Yup, once a certain act hits the main stream/crosses over; the little people who made em what they are no longer are the priority...
No-one came round to watcher for Steven Lim tbh
FACTS!
This is not burn out. This is purely financial. They have 3 mil subs, even if 1% pay a $6 subscription. That's still 180K a month. What they do lose though is their live shows, merchandise sales and more importantly the social community who were all in fact also free advertising for them.
Goodness, I'd hate to see the crowd reaction if they hit the stage during a live show that's for sure...yikes...
We'll stay tuned, first show is Tuesday night in London. Then they go to Glasgow...
@@jenniferh.2541 there will definitely be some very vocal people in London that's for sure
My perspective as someone who has a little bit more disposable income than the average American, i will say that a big draw of the Patreon, or me paying for KZhead Premium: is that I want to passively support KZheadrs in a tangible way when possible - SO THAT OTHERS LESS FORTUNATE CAN STILL WATCH FOR FREE. Thats the Patreon/KZhead social contract. If you take away that incentive, it becomes less fun. Thats why on Twitch its more popular to gift people memberships vs just giving money to the streamer. The noney goes to them both ways, but one also helps someone who couldnt afford it.
That's a great breakdown!
frfr, all i wanted was silly boysenberry boys, not 10 minutes of silence on the oculus ;-;
ain't that the truth!
they did try to take the old vdos from their channel. then they backtracked.
someone else told me that and I was floored! If they would've done that OMG it would've ticked me off but apparently there was so much backlash that they did backtrack haha
Why did Shane allow that to happen?
that's what's confusing me the most...
Greed
You could tell he ain't for this mess at all...
@@MyKindofEntertainment Yeah It's so out of character for him to do something like this, I refuse to believe he was okay with it
@@MyKindofEntertainmenthe was acting the most sincere in the video and he actually looked like he thinks it’s a bad idea - the acting of Steven with all the sad looks and sighs made me even more mad
All I am thinking is THATS THE TRY GUYS COUCH 🤣
😂😂😂
IDK how they want to sustain their paid channel. It's mostly just Ryan and Shane's hosted content that are popular, the rest of the stuff they do doesn't receive as much attention in comparison and even if they plan on making just using the face of two men carrying the entire company, it wouldn't pay off as much in hindsight. IDK if they mentioned if they want to put out videos later they made on their YT channel, cause how else will they be getting exposure? Them being on the internet this long you'd think they'd learn from other's past mistakes like CryptTV. If you don't consistently put your good stuff out there, they'd just fizzle out over time.
Facts just the season premiere of a show to promote it to non subscribers? Shoot, they better hope those Episode 1s are bangers then
@@MyKindofEntertainmentI think they want to remove themselves from the “KZheadr” title
I really enjoyed the weird and wonderfull world too!❤ such a shame.
Like they say simplicity works best!
too late for april fools ☠☠
FACTS!
I think your fire alarm needs it's battery changing. That, or you need to oil your chair.
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@@MyKindofEntertainment It beeps or squeaks in the background all throughout your video, I just wanted to you know that it's kind of annoying 🤷♀️
I can easily afford the monthly sub. But they didnt take the other countries into account. Apparentky they left the sub at $6USD which is ridiculous is many places-- more than some make in a week! Anyway, my own personal issue is you can only watch the sub on a phone or laptop-- which i refuse to do. I watch patreon on my phone ohone to support thise who cant afford to support the artist, but i hate it. I watch youtube on my roku tv...
ouch, I didn't even think what prices would be outside the U.S. that's messed up
I miss the unsolved
Me too :( at least Buzzfeed (as of yet) hasn't taken the old content and put that behind a paywall...
No one wants to watch Steven eat steaks that cost 2k in fancy locations around the world. He is rich, comes from 1%er money and he gives people the ick. I mean, in this economy?! His food videos under perform compared to everything else, people want to see Ryan and Shane goofing around. Their channel was making a healthy financials. They did not need to do this. (BTW Change your battery for your fire alarm dude! Fire alarms save lives)
Trips to the freaking grocery store are a NIGHTMARE nowadays...I don't care to watch someone eat a $1,000 plate of food that doesn't look like there's enough on it to get stuck between my teeth!
@@MyKindofEntertainment For real! Like even what used to be cheap junk food is expensive. BTW I subscribed! (: Hope your channel grows.
Don’t get me wrong, I’m not excited about them making this transition. But, why is everyone treating it like it’s so different than when College Humor created their streamer, Dropout? I’m legitimately curious as to whether I’m missing something.
It’s the tone of voice, plus a couple other factors • they didn’t even ask the audience about this transition • they were going to put all the already available videos on KZhead on said streaming service and backpedaled when they saw the backlash, so it’s free today but I have to pay tomorrow??? And indefinitely too? Like it’s not just one purchase it’s a continuous subscription, and they don’t post enough content for that kinda money • they already made a great deal within their patrons on patreon, and those people who paid in the hundreds are made to pay AGAIN for what was supposed to be free content •they could’ve budgeted better, asked for sponsors, and made decent money that way without costing their followers • the turn off from what I’ve seen mostly from fans, is that the majority of their followers are broke teens and young adults, and they’re motto being “eat the rich” cause you really shouldn’t burn through your money over stupid shit like this
Plus the economy all around the world is SHEIT
Never heard of 'Dropout' but I am aware of College Humor and Funny or Die but I fell off of those platforms quite awhile ago
They probably haven't killed there company. Let's say that 10% of their 30+ million subs sign up for this streaming service that's 300k at 6 bucks a month or 1.8 million bucks a month. Sure it won't last forever but they are going to make millions while it lasts and then they can retire millionaires... It's incredibly insulting to their KZhead fanbase but it's clear they just don't care about the fans they care about the money.
That's a good perspective. Even though they only have 12k on Patreon they MIGHT exceed that on their streamer since that's where their new content will be from now on. Basically, if the 30k people who gave the Goodbye KZhead video a thumbs up went to the streamer then they'll be set.
bro, CHANGE YOUR SMOKE ALARM BATTERY. Nothing like constant chirping to annoy the ears.
it's not a smoke alarm...
@@MyKindofEntertainment whatever it is, its distracting
UNSUBSCRIBED from their channel. (And no, we will NOT be paying to watch them in the future). While the guys are talented and we had fun watching them, it's obvious that they are not skilled at running a business, and most of all at budgeting. It's ridiculous to have so many employees and a huge office space in one of the most expensive places in the US. They should never have spent recklessly, added so many extraneous employees, and gotten, well, too big for their britches. They are young. Maybe they should grow up and think about paying their dues, and stop throwing money around. Frankly we liked them better when they were with Buzzfeed. Sadly they now come across as spoiled brats. 25 employees is absurd. Then you have Steven's completely ridiculous Dish Granted costs? No wonder they are bleeding money. Honestly in our opinion Steven adds NOTHING to that channel. We have no desire to watch entitled or self-entitled people eat outrageously expensive food. Our favorite bits were the ones years ago when Ryan and Shane went places like a pie shop, soda shop, Knott's Berry Farm, etc. and sat in den and talked about crime/mysteries. Their best content did NOT cost that much to produce and was far more interesting than some of the other stuff. Just a couple of guys doing fun and entertaining stuff and giving us their hilarious take on it. They blew it and we won't be ever watching them in the future. Struggling like most, only able to shop at Aldi, and driving a 15 year old car because of crappy employers not paying living wages even with college degree and over 30 yrs. experience. We do not have a cell phone and refuse to live in debt. NO desire to watch a bunch of self-entitled 20/30-somethings feel they don't have to pay their dues or work hard, and just want the cushy life at other's expense. Um, no thank you.
I automatically unsubscribed and unfollowed like so many others!
And I don't blame ya!
Your smoke detector is chirping. I guess they stereotype is accurate
It is my laptop getting warm that was the noise