Out of Production - MK 1 Rhino Retrospective
A deep-dive into the history of the MK 1 Rhino Chassis and all the vehicles which made use of it throughout the kit's life on the shelves from 1988 until 2002.
Title Sequence: 0:00
Introduction: 0:15
Rhino: 1:41
Predator: 6:18
Razorback: 7:09
Whirlwind first official release: 8:26
Tangent 1 (about a previous Whirlwind conversion in White Dwarf): 8:36
Back to the actual Whirlwind kit: 9:50
Predator Destructor: 10:42
Predator Annihilator: 11:44
Immolator: 12:15
Baal Predator: 13:00
Vindicator: 14:41
Tangent 2 (concerning tank crew scale): 16:19
Chaos Rhino and Predator: 17:08
Mail-Order-only Chaos kits: 18:28
Updated Razorback: 23:20
Predator ‘Burninator’: 24:02
Summary: 25:02
Outro: 25:22
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"Soon" is a relative concept...
I am the audience you were trying to please, so thank you for your hard work. I found this fascinating. I began the hobby in 1996, but money was limited, so my experience was limited. I am all-in today with my Iron Warriors, especially the vehicle pool, so it's very interesting to see all the things that I missed.
Always and forever my favorite Rhino (100% due to nostalgia lol)
I understand why they replaced the kit, but it always feels nice when I have the chance to work on one.
Same here. While we were away from the house, my friend's dad destroyed all my old rhino's and beakies one day in 2002, saying that we were too old to be playing with toys.
@@jacobalexander8216 ... and that's why they say your friends are God's apology for the family he gave you!
I know this is about the Rhino. But those shots of the plastic Predator were a delight. This is great content, ace work.
from all the rhinos i have gotten from family members i never realized some of these were the first set of rhinos
I keep coming back to this video, to work out which variant I want to work on next. Thank you for this reference material.
Ahh the Mk1 Whirlwind, lovingly reffered to in our group as the Crayon launcher. Good times.
My period of gaming for sure. Loved making those home conversions of the Whirlwind and the Vindicator. I also converted one into a Termite launcher and scratch built the burrowing part myself, good times.
OMG, do you have a photo of the termite conversion 😍
@@MrMHD1980 sadly you'll just have take my word for how awesome it looked!
New favorite niche 40k channel. Love the content!
Thank you! Thanks alot for reminding me just how old i really am.
This series is like the best I have seen in a while. So indepth! I love it!
Thank you for making these videos, they were very enjoyable
i can not express how much i adore this content, please make more
I love this, please keep it up.
I'm old enough to remember these horrid things; Old GW vehicles were nasty massive heavy white metal bricks which you had to glue plastic parts onto (such as the OG Land Raider). That or nasty poorly cast badly deformed white metal brick weapons which you attached to the soft, easily deformed squirt bottle plastic GW used in the 90s and 2000s which they injected into their moulds and was often discoloured (so see through) such as the Rhino; Before they switched to a Polystyrene Composite Resin which they have been using since roughly 2001 (The first models to use the modern plastic being Tyranids and Tau). 90s tank creation involved a lot of super glue, filing (yes filing), drilling, pinning and green stuff - just to fix the problems GW themselves caused. The Blood Angels and Elder stuff were the worst off, requiring a lot of greenstuff to fill holes in the white metal or full on replace bits you had to shave off completely because you got a deformed metal weapon.
This video is awesome, man. Appreciate the research you did. Cheers!
Fun observation: Many of the rhino's parts are still 100% in scale with the 1/35 scale m113 upon which it is based. I was putting together an Acadamy made m113 kit recently and found the top plate of the rhino kit would easily fit on, with the m113 kit being a bit longer. Since the Acadamy is such a gargage kit, I decided to save the piece for a better Tamiya build.
Fantastic job, I'm looking forward to the restoration of 2 (3?) vehicles. I love the dome shape of the first predator turret, but the ork in me loves the angularity and rivets on the metal sponsons of the later ones.
I've always been in love with the MkIIb pattern Predator turrets made by Forge World. It was so beautifully sleek, almost Leopard 2-like, albeit not very long-lived as a product. Very much looking forward to the re-release of the spoon-shaped turret for Horus Heresy 2.
Excellent! A very interesting video, and I'll be sure to share it around! The 4 chaos tanks I had never heard of before or seen!
Excellent and interesting throwback and production quality, solid work. Instant subscribe.
Ok, you got yourself a subscriber, I had been enjoying the video so far but the little touches like pixelating the Slanesh Icon just after mentioning it...yeah, I like that. "We will watch your career with Great interest!"
Great video with some good laughs. One note is the Razorback mk2 also had a different gun shield with the different guns and gun mount. Overall though a great walk through my early gaming years!
Great video, though it reminded me of when I was young and what felt like centuries without a Land Raider kit.
I have all of these models. Even the chaos predator with the whirly blades. Your trip down memory lane has convinced me to pull them out and revive them.
Honestly this is fascinating 🤞 for more!
I'd love to see some imperial guard kits covered. Happy i found your channel!
what a wonderful presentation. Instant subscribe.
Awesome old kit :)
Um, sir, I need more. This is excellent content. How the hell do you only have this many subscribers?
And I want to make more - regrettably, time is not always on my side. Nevertheless, I have two more videos in the works, though with no solid ETA for when either will be done just yet. Thank you for watching!
The MK 1 Rhino Hand rails and hand grips keep breaking due to very thin plastic. The original razor back weapons were: first the twin plasma, Lascannon with a auto gun on the top of the lascannon, there was also a twin heavy flamer (in a separate blister pack), twin heavy Bolter and Twin lascannon in later kits. Plus you have the modeling workshop variants; vindicator, whirlwind, saber, and landraider spartan. Yes I have several of these and yes the smaller tanks use to make 5th ed tourney players mad at me due to being able to hide them better. Yes they are all still viable tanks to use in tourney play to this date including the modeling workshop variants, minus the sabre tank. The sabre fell out of following around 3rd ed if I remember but is now back as a 30k only tank. The armor upgrade packs where; Albative armor, and spaced armor both of which were sold separate in blister packs. The nice thing about these old tanks is that they can be used in 30k and fit in with the overall look of Hersey model line. I have done a video series where I rebuilt a whirlwind to include the rhino chassis. Just a old RT marine's 2 cents.
Loved how versatile this kit was, i built all the variants in WD and the first leman Russ and Baneblade. I also made the first 40k vehicle the deodorant stick grav tank, it was awesome.
Around 09:00 Tony Cottrell produced the design for the Whirlwind in White Dwarf…and went on to become head of Forge World. Another seminal genius.
Hey this is really good and informative, well done!
Thank you for checking out my video!
great attention to detail
I find it hillarious that the algorythm has started picking up your video...now that they're releasing a new mk 1 'demios' pattern rhino kit in the horus heresy line XD
Ooooh.... So THAT's what happened, lol. I was quite perplexed as to what the hell happened there for a second. Thanks for checking out my video!
Hey, I ain’t complaining. Love your style of content and would love more of these old model retrospectives
Just found this, great content!
Thanks for the retrospective! Feeling the nostalgia from those halcyon days. I still have the metal components to the old Vindicator, but sadly not the hull. Hindsight being 20/20.
Great job! Your research and presentation made we want to see if there was a Modeling Workshop article on the Rhino like there was for the Baneblade. This was very well crafted as well. You will go far as a historian.
Really interesting and entertaining. Thanks
rescued a few MK 1 tanks with metal kits. This is the grimdark level of tech that I love. White metal is so sexy.
I recall looking for the all plastic Predator in the early 1990s as it has disappeared from the GW branches and mail order. A GW shop staff member told me that the predator mould had been damaged at the factory which is why the kit disappeared so abruptly. Not sure how much faith I put by that story looking back.
I just saw my teenage years and first WH models..Thanks mate! NOSTALGIA ALERT! XD
The early Rhino kit certainly did have quite a long life. I think the MK1 Rhino technically lasted right up till 2007 as certain kits were still based on it. The Vindicator and Whirlwind were among the last to go. Always found the kit to be very endearing.
This... is amazing. Your channel is going places for sure, fantastic work man!! If you don't already have them planned, you should do an Out of Production on the Greater Daemons at some point... Heck, Chaos has a million options, Cult Marines, Abaddon, Doomrider, etc etc etc
Thanks for the suggestion!
Just discovered the channel. Awesome video. You've earned yourself a new subscriber. I recently bought a trio of Mk1 Predators, and I intend to restore them as Iron Warriors relic vehicles. You may just have given me the motivation to do that.
great work bro ! really good idea ! you should continu this serie, or showing historical evolution of gw line for ex. from metal to plastic like older guarde and new one and what was lost or gain between the two . seem like the same type of research that s time consuming tho ^^
I have one of those old Crayon Whirlwinds, just needs some gluing on the metal parts then it's good to add to either my Heresy Death Guard or perhaps a 40k Lamenter force...
I have both the first predator kit and the old Annihilator. I really like how the Annihilator and Destructor turrets look and how different they are to all the other space marine kits.
Great trip down memory lane - I had the original plastic Predator, although it was virtually unrecognisable by the end of its long-suffering life: sometime during 3rd edition the local GW store held a free-for-all tank battle, with the rule that you were allowed to have any upgrades you wanted so long as you'd actually modelled them onto the tank you brought in. Cue gluing every weapon and piece of wargear imaginable to my poor old Predator, which ended up completely covered in layers of extra armour and ceramic plates, multiple hunter-killer missiles, every kind of antenna and sensor, and all the twin-linked lascannons in the world. Held its own pretty well in the fight, as I recall - didn't win, it got blown up just as the battle was getting into the endgame, but it took a lot of lesser tanks down first.
I'd love to see a picture of this DAKKA TANK.
The glory of this DAKKA TANK is something I too would like to behold.
@@theghostliestoffrogs7184 Sadly the Dakka Tank is lost to the mists of time - in the course of moving houses and so on a lot of my 40k horde was donated to whoever wanted them; I'd been out of the hobby for many years at the time, so it didn't seem a huge deal (I mean, even now I don't much miss those 3rd edition plastic Dark Eldar). Now I'm back in (working on Emperor's Children), regrets, huh? (It wasn't a complete loss, thankfully - I couldn't bear to part with my marines, or the named character minis from my other armies, so I still have plenty of retro to gaze fondly at.)
@@tappajavittu I would if I could; see my other reply for the sad tale of loss (this was back when a digital camera was something that one person you knew had, rather than being in everyone's phones). If it's any consolation, it didn't look that good - multiple too-heavy paint jobs and very little finesse on the conversions.
@@daiatnara971 So.... time for DAKKA TANK 2.0? :---D
The two supports for rhino roller thing 21 mins in are from Grom the Paunches chariot, I recognise the skull haha
Interesting, I think you might be right. Based on the image I might still err on the side of only the skull being used as the supports look more square than round and wood-grained to me, but then the image isn't that good quality to begin with...
Would love to see a video from you of all the space wolf figures over the years that are OOP
Would love to see a video anything about Epic 40k!
The model I have the most time with love a mk1 !
07:09 damn that army looks glorious!
a buddy of mine used Brother tinnitus as a way to make a retro style whirlwind
Bit old now but you've missed out a whirlwind kit. That kitbashed launcher was cast in resin and sold through the early iteration of Armorcast, its quite rare
I have the 1st Predator and two Rhinos, love them...
Great Video!!!! I hope you can do video about Land Raider MK1 !!!!
nice. forgot half of this :D
Seems like your videos were picked up by KZhead algoritm. Good vids, ma man, keep up the good work!
Evidently so... I check on the channel every couple weeks for new comments and to see how videos are doing and I was in for quite the shock today, let me tell you. I intend to continue, though with the rapidly expanded viewer base, the pressure has risen somewhat also, lol... I don't want to disappoint anyone, so I sure hope no-one is expecting uploads too regularly as these take an ass-load of time to film and edit, and I'm currently working on a dissertation among other things. Still, there are currently two more videos in the works, but I do not have an ETA on when they'll be ready by. Thanks for checking out my videos and commenting!
No need to rush yourself, life goes first, hobbies for people on the internet go second. Goodluck with your dissertation!
I remember seeing the classic ones in Imperial Armor Volume II as a different pattern.
Correct. *IA2 (1st ed)* p. 24-25: MkIIb Mars Pattern Rhino; p. 34-35: Phaeton Pattern MkIIIc Predator Destructor; p. 39: Skarath pattern MkIId Predator Annihilator; p. 56: "rare MkII Razorback with twin-linked plasma cannons and a lascannon turret;" p. 61: MkIIb Mars Pattern Whirlwind; p. 76: Mars Pattern MK1c Vindicator withhunter-killer missile.
IIRC the last mixed metal/plastic tank based on a Rhino (Mk 2 Rhino) was the revised Baal Predator. It came with metal turret and sponson parts (that I actually have somewhere) to fit in the Mk2 Predator turret and sponsons..
Slip of the tongue. I should have specified *based on the MK1 chassis* , but I can't retroactively change that in the published video now. Another example of a mixed-metal space marine tank would of course be the Land Raider Crusader, though that was released at the same time as the *Burninator* ...
23:35 It wasn't the last Space Marine metal+plastic kit from GW, that would be the Land Raider Crusader. I don't know when it was released, possibly 2005 with the release of the Black Templars codex, but I think I saw it earlier. But the plastic Land Raider was released in 2000 and those crusader parts are newer.
Oh crap, there's even more stuff I've forgotten about! I'm getting old. Land Speeders had metal upgrade parts (including a Dark Angels special character and stupid missile launchers), but there was also the Baal Predator with metal parts based on the mk2 rhino hull.
You're right, that's on me for not specifying that I meant *based on the MK1 Chassis* . The "Burninator" appearing later in the video, which was released in the Salamanders army bundle in the same month the Crusader would have hit the shelves can also be added to that list.
good viideo!
Brother Tinnitus 🤣👌🏽
The disappearance of the hand rails was likely because of their fragility!!
Can confirm, broken off almost as often as they were fielded. Tech Marines must hate them.
@@jacobalexander8216 I did have the idea of gluing the rails in place, thereby siting the connection points, then drilling holes to connect some bent to shape brass rod in place of the plastic rail. Then I realised life's too short and abandoned the idea 😕
I actually really like the looks of the big gunshield style Razorbacks, and feel like 2 plasma rifles and a las cannon make a certain amount of sense, however more options is better.
Back in the day our Rhinos were Camouflage and we liked it! Dagnab it...
Slight correction, the Baal predator at kzhead.info/sun/lb2yZ9evqqOOZJ8/bejne.html isn't a conversion, it's the original kit for it that was released towards the end of 2nd edition. It was the last kit i bought before I got out of the hobby for a 10 year gap.
The 3e Codex:BA page I'm reading off at that point in the video literally explains where the bits are from... Was there maybe a limited-time mail-order only release where they bundled the ravenwing assault cannons in with the annihilator kit?
@@theghostliestoffrogs7184 Definitely an originalcast with no conversion required (my early teen self would never have had the tools/skills to do that in an age of pewter). Box definitely had the old 2nd ed logo and everything, sadly that's long gone so i can't get pics of it. I could dig out the mini from a cupboard and take pics, if i get some time to do so.
yeah man
Guess im old . I still use the pred Annihilator and 2 baal preds . But i started in 92 for classic and 2 nd edition i started blood angles
"Good luck finding someone to paint THIS" 5:21 Uhmm... I have a Land Raider painted by someone quite skilled painted in the 1980's. It's actually so nice I'm never going to repaint it!
The comment was tongue in cheek, I have no doubt plenty of people would have no issue pulling off such a colour scheme.
i mis a part about the metal armour plates you could order for youre rhino chasi kits.
The mk1 whirlwind is also known as the backflipper
If I'm not nuts mistaken with the new version of Horus heresy coming out this rhino can now transport 12 Marines.
Well I was going to try to fit 10 into a MK2 Chassis at some point, but there's no way I'm making 12 happen, no matter how many marines I hack up... XD
God, the original plastic predator was so much better than the boxy metal thing that replaced it. What were they thinking?
Aww. He did the Whirlwind tangent... but not the Vindicator one. The White-Dwarf Vindicator was nicely janky. One of the parts was a thumb-tack.
Well, that is quite the oversight. Bother. The list of future video topics expands... Thanks for letting me know!
@@theghostliestoffrogs7184 Well... if it's a video on 'janky' semi-official vehicles, there's also the spartan and sabre tanks, which were in White Dwarf (both of which were Rhino/Land raider hybrids, iirc).
Hey, was wondering if you could send me over the files for the guide on how to make the old whirlwind(can't really find any good pictures of those guides).
If you have a reddit account, direct message me, I'm u/ghostfroginfinity. If that doesn't work, I have a business email listed in the about section of this youtube channel. I'd be happy to help.
Oh man! Now this is a channel for me! I fucking LOVE old cool warhammer, I hope you'll cover old cool fantasy battle stuff ja specialist games and all that shit!
I'm glad you found my channel! I shall try, but I am limited by what my hobby cupboard and hobby budget will allow, XD.
@@theghostliestoffrogs7184 Even if it takes a year for the next episode to come out, I'll be there watching it!
I put together the old predator annihilator and it was a pain
Wasn't there also an exorcist kit based on the MKl rhino?? If not does that mean it was originally a slaaneshy design. That's some next level heresy right there.
Please make more retrospectives
I certainly want to, the biggest enemy I have is time, and how much is available to me, lol... But there are certainly a lot of different things in Citadel's past which deserve exploring in detail. I will endeavour to do so.
hehe "Brother Tinnitus"
Interesting vid but too many pictures and captions are blink and you'll miss them.
Some of those are deliberately so, but given how I'm still getting into the hang of editing videos this length, some might be not-so-deliberate... I hope you didn't rewind and keep trying to pause at the right moment though, I know I used to do so many times until I discovered there's an option to change playback speed and slow down the video. There should be no 1-frame-ers anywhere though, I can promise that.
brother tinnitus lol
Brother Tinnitus 🤣
Ahhh the always broken hand rails. Myths are told about a mk1 rhino still having both rails in one piece.
Why cant you get a baneblade? on 3rd party websites you can get 20 percent off, everyone deserves at least one baneblade.
More an issue of hobby budget as a Uni student than anything, lol...
So this might be random but...whats stopping you buying a Baneblade? I went to my local shop and bought it right off the shelf. 100 bucks a little bit too much for you at the moment or can you not find one?
The first option: hobby budget is rather minimal as a student, lol...
@@theghostliestoffrogs7184 Entirely understandable.
I see Nothing wrong with cammo up marines, so long as their iconography is clearly visable. Yes, I CAN tell you that that is an Ultramarines tank. Because of, y'know the big Ultramarines symbols painted on it. I mean, would deathguard or blood anges be riding in a tank with ULTRAMARINE icons on it...? Not to mention that this is LITTERALLY why each regiment in a army has it's own unique flag/standard.
Gas and plastic. Our governments way of giving us a money sink.
i know they are more game pieces than serious models, but i thought they were a cool idea for a sci-fi armor base. but these kits suck and cost a fortune. you can get fully detailed inside and out panzers of high quality compared to one of these tin toys. sorry. huge ripoff.
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