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Hydrogen Fuel Cells were supposed to save the auto industry from climate change, and promised no harmful emissions from the tailpipe, just pure water. So what happened? Why hasn't the hydrogen car taken over the industry in the years since? And what future does this amazing technology have? Well, it's complicated.
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I feel like everyone is forgetting how EV batteries are made 💀
Exactly it's not sustainable
we are talking about "fuel", not the "container" of that fuel. battery is a container and electricity is the fuel. hydrogen tank is the container and hydrogen is the fuel. logic, man, logic ...
It's possible to get hydrogen from nuclear power plants, which would make the loss of energy 25% basically null, since hydrogen isn't really a useful product for the reactors anyway, and it happens just because of the intense conditions in the reactor.
@@astcal exactly. They also need platinum as he mentioned in the vid and countless other precious metals to actually use the hydrogen.
True also we could use clean energy sources ro make the hydrogen so it could be 80% just like EVs. Ps:20% id left due to the manufacturing
Fun fact: Because of the way that the Toyota Mirai gets rid of it's only emmision (water), it looks like it urinated explosively every time you turn off the car.
that makes two of us
Make that three.
@@Donut mazda also did this on the rx8
@@Donut according to tokyo xtreme racer games ofc
@Nano PKx Yes LAUGH
I’ve been a proponent of hydrogen fueled vehicles for at least 15 years. I don’t think they should replace every vehicle but definitely compliment the industry. I recognize that the biggest short fall is fueling stations.
I doubt hydrogen will catch on, EV is already far ahead with more stations every year, even at gas stations too
A hybrid hydrogen cell and plug in electric, would be the best way to increase adoption. Having no stations except in CA and the fact that you couldn't produce liquid hydrogen at home without serious money and skill, but everyone can install a breaker and charger for BEV cars means interest is minimal. Unless they combine fuel cells with EV packs nobody will take the risk of hoping for more stations some day.
@@kentcontreras4692not even that hybrid makes sense. EVs are just better in every category and an EV gains nothing from becoming hydrogen-hybrid. There is just nothing that hydrogen cars offer that EVs don't. EVs are the future, nothing else.
Keep crying. Team hydrogen needs it
Hydrogen makes the most sense for shipping. Very fast to reload trucks with a lot less weight than mass batteries. They are less efficient but with fueling taking so little time it wins out. Secondly, the amount of money that will be needed to expand the grid for a fully electric fleet especially near cities is going to be huge. And that’s where hydrogen comes back in. And the last big are the batteries…
Japan also currently has 81 large tour buses and large trucks as well as a few trains in the greater Tokyo area that all currently operate on hydrogen as they have been for the past 7 years. They expect to expand the number of buses to at least 200 by 2024 too.
200 hydrogen buses... in ALL of Japan?
I think in comparison with other countries this is a very good number
@@nikbin8546 Compare that with over 200 *thousand* electric buses in China. Also, Japan has over 250 electric busses, so if it has only 200 hydrogen buses then electric busses are winning even in Japan, the one country in the whole world that is pushing the strongest for hydrogen.
They also have a gundam
Wow… that’s going to save Japan
Here in Germany, we got hydrogen busses that drive off hydrogen that is produced as waste from waste plants. I wouldn't say it flopped, it just has a long road forward. I am optimistic, the hydrogen busses here has already beaten the costs of regular diesel busses
For me the 2 major issues, 1) Harnessing it. And how easily we can harness it? The technique behind making it.. 2) Its engine, working mechanism could be different from our ordinary vehicles.
i think hydrogen would be best for trucks and busses, for cars it's pretty bad
SMR (Nuclear) with Triso fuel will be our future energy source. It will provide plenty of cheap Hydrogen and and Clean water. Once you see nuclear taking off in the next 2 years from funding. Then Hydrogen will be scalable.
@@k-osmonaut8807 two things against hydrogen is that the cost of production is high for now. Secondly the cathode membrane is too expensive requiring a precious metal like platinum. If those two are resolved then it’s better solution than the battery.
Absolutely it make more sense in just general as in power production because you could make hydrogen generators to make electricity which would actually be green energy.
Something you forgot to mention is how well these technologies do in cold weather, hear in Alberta Canada it regularly hits -30c. Lithium batteries are horrible in temperatures below freezing and actually can get damaged below -20c. However hydrogen fuel cells aren’t affected at all until about -30c. And even then they just lose a bit of efficiency.
@UncleJoe-v2 lol I wouldn't hold your breath
@KZheadr it is beautiful! I’m not originally from here tho, I’m from Newfoundland I just work here!
You're right, but this proves the point of this video, which is that hydrogen can work as a specialized solution but not in mainstream vehicles. Temps in most populated places on earth rarely go below 0 for longer period of times!
Yes .. it’s a long way from flopped. It was the real choice until the Obama administration picked “electric”. Read Steve Rattner book “Overhaul”. The government picked electric and therefore that’s were the government funding money went!That’s said .. the Canadian Pacific has just started it hydrogen fuel cell locomotives.. and due to weather conditions and travel distances in Canada .. I believe hydrogen will be the long term choice for long haul trucks, trains, public transit. What we need in Manitoba is the Conowapa Dam to be built and start making hydrogen. If we spent as money and research on developing a lower cost way to make and transport hydrogen like we do with battery development .. hydrogen would be clear winner .. especially when you consider the mining techniques to get the precious metals out of the ground to make these batteries.
By the time hydrogen is cheaper and more effective than lithium we'll have solid state batteries
I think it's essential to take into consideration not only emissions but also the issue of recycling the batteries when comparing environmental impact. I would love to see a video that takes it into consideration
There is plenty, EV batteries are extremely recyclable.
@@SkaterStimm wouldn't go to far to say that they are extremely recyclable
yeah I was thinking the same thing watching this video. I think efficiency is important to consider with energy sources. ALSO, how we store the energy is important to consider! I'm not well versed in the subject, but to my understanding the typical metal-acid batteries aren't a sustainable way of storing energy.
Lithium is a pretty easily recycled material countries have been working on Besides, carbon batteries also exist which are much more abundant, the issue would be discharging is less reliable and not as consistent as lithium
Environmental impact in fiction?
"But is it REALLY environmentally friendly though?" *Proceeds to talk about energy efficiency and not about how green the car itself is
gasoline an diesel are eco friendly if you take fuel out from evaluation
Yeah, pretty sloppy to not also include the manufacture of the EV batteries vs hydrogen fuel cell.
are you stupid? where do you think the energy to make the hydrogen comes from? you think it doesnt come from gas or nuclear powerplants? imagine transferring the energy from gas to hydrogen and it’s not even efficient
@@ineedpapers Nuclear power is actually environmentally friendly
@@__8120 Except the people who manage it are utterly incompetent and all it takes is one mistake or cost saving half-assery to ruin the lives of thousands or even millions.
Other than electric cars : [Exhaust smoke] Hydrogen cars : P E E.
Jai hind
Petrol car: farts violently. Hydrogen car: Yea? I'll do you one better!
@@KT-fb8hm 😂😂
*farts
Does that mean Hydrogen cars are naked?
Stranger: "Wow what a nice car. The exhaust looks so good" Owner: "Yes i bought this baby back in January this ye-....." Car: *starts pissing on the ground violently*
[ fake Mirai engine noises ]
@@cannaroe1213 lmao
Car: Check out how hard I can pee!
@@MrAsed4 who?
to be fair, combustion engines produce mostly water vapor, too.
Personally I love the idea of hydrogen, it’s the green of EVs with the speedy refills of gas. Personally I think a plug in hybrid of the two would be amazing. Battery for your daily commute but the benefits of hydrogen for longer drives
It's not the as green as EV. Given only half the efficiency you consume twice as much electricity (to make the hydrogen) from fossil fuel plants. H2 is twice as dirty as EV.
The new hydrogen CRV is a plug in fuel cell hybrid
@@BillNyeTheRussianGuy They're making a hydrogen CRV?!?!?!
I met a guy on an airplane that was an engineer for hydrogen fuel cells. Something important of note is that electrolysis uses a lot of power and resources to create hydrogen. Most of the hydrogen they used was allegedly a by product of manufacturing companies anyways. So if not bottle for hydrogen fuel cells it would just have been created and burned up anyways.
That figure for gas cost aged so poorly😂. Take me back to the days when I could fill my tank for less than $80🥲.
Jesus what car are you driving?
Don’t vote for globalist satanists lmao
that was my exact thought when i saw $80/$32 that’s like $80 being my full tank now vs $32 being my full tank before Covid
@@ALIGwedew62 Jesus what car are you driving? - 1 that takes gas
i need 160 dollars to fill up my tank in w211 bosnia and herzegovina
"If any thing killed the hydrogen car, it's the _eevee_ " Hey, leave my Pokémon outta this!
@F*СК MЕ - СНЕCK МY РR0FILЕ are you good
That's a bot@@shpeebum3638
I knocked a eevee earlier today lmao
Hydrogen as such is a cool option the problem is production namely energy used for production exceed energy burned in an average gasolin engine, thats why hydrogen at least today isnt a green energy. In clear text hydrogen look like a green energy only on the last step in your car.
Vg
That clip of the car "shooting out water" makes me chuckle every time as it just looks like the car is incontinent.
I actually wonder why they even have a tail pipe and not just a drain underneath the car😊
@@corykertz9492 Might be a case of "if it's underneath the car, the driver might think it's a coolant leak or some other issue." At the back at least you know and can see what it is =P
Maybe a bit early to declare hydrogen dead. Heavy industry, planes, cargo ships, etc., are nowhere near jumping on the battery train, so if/when hydrogen becomes a meaningful alternative for them, the real money will go into that and those investments will make the current battery investments fade in comparison. And the price has already come under $10 and last I checked close to $7, with new facilities forecasting a price under $2 before 2025. So I would say the race is still very much on.
You will never see hydrogen planes. The hydrogen tanks would take up most of the space for passengers. Shipping runs on very cheap bunker fuel. They are not likely to change to a very expensive fuel anytime soon. Plus if they did your cost of living would go up dramatically due to shipping cost increases.
it's not just about the price, you have to build a new infrastructure and fuel system, EV only needed to have the battery technology and charging come out, that's when it started taking off, it's basically a car with an electric system instead of gas, I doubt hydrogen can catch up, there are more charging stations even at gas stations now, the only issues are price and charging time, until they are comparable with gas cars today
That falling price is at the hydrogen plant; the big issue is that hydrogen logistics are bloody expensive, though, so even if hydrogen was free at the hydrogen plant it would still be quite expensive at the pump. Also, you need a 100Kg tank to store 5Kg of high pressure hydrogen, and it takes a pretty large volume too; when you take the tank, pumps, exhaust system, fuel cell, etc, into account then hydrogen is far, far less energy dense, in both weight and volume, than biofuels. Hydrogen tanks also already lose in volumetric density to batteries, and with batteries becoming more energy dense in the next years they might actually surpass the energy density of hydrogen-filled tanks when you think about the whole system.
I see, so we must turn all the Red Lobsters into hydrogen fueling stations.
Force them to serve beans with every meal....
Precisely!
Blasphemy
I'm not american so have never experienced red lobster, but I've heard of it before, & I agree
Nolan: “With literal water coming out of the exhaust” *shows a picture of a car Peeing itself*
I remember hearing that but I didn’t see it 😂😂 What’s the time ? 0:00
Nvm I found it , 9:04 ??
That is literally what happens though
Here is what I think , it's the automakers they have all their eggs in the same basket. They have reached their limits . But instead of going to the electric their are fighting it. So what's the answer, well l see it will end up with both gasoline and gasoline are going to share the same roads. With electric winning as a commuter vehicles more every year.
@@phillipschneider1965 Remember what killed the General Motors EV1 big oil stepped in and put an end to it. heck they are trying to kill public transit now. It's a reoccurring theme now, If you have to ask why? look to the lobbyist.
Hydrogen production needs to be heavily subsided to make it affordable. Also getting planning permission for Hydrogen refuelling stations can be a issue if a large amount of gas needs to be stored on site.
You did a great job covering the issues with hydrogen cars. Toyota is again looking at hydrogen cars. They have reduced the cost of the cars but the refilling stations are still an issue.
Don’t forget that in the beginning Teslas were expensive and almost no charging stations existed
Mercedes has been testing and developing the hydrogen technology for decades already without ever achieving any breakthrough. Tesla revolutionized the whole market in just one decade when they started from nothing.
@@JackoBanon1 And then Apple will come to disrupt Automotive Industries
The cost of building charging stations is low, because every existing city is full of high-voltage electricity. No need for additional pipeline construction costs. Do you want to make hydrogen charging stations as popular as gas stations? Re-digging the ground to lay the pipeline? What about the transportation cost compared to electricity?
And to solve the problem Tesla rolled out their own charging station network. And unlike EVs any hydrogen fuel pump and work on any hydrogen car where as each EV manufacturer uses their own proprietary plug. You got to hunt around for a compatible EV power source.
@@jackzhou4813 petrol station don’t use pipelines they use tanks and fuel is transported on trucks. There is no difference with hydrogen. It’ll be stores in tanks at the station and refilled by truck. All that infrastructure exists.
Here in the Netherlands, paying €1.90 for a liter of gasoline (€7.22 for a gallon) lands me well above €80,- for a full tank of gas. Bring on the water particles!
Above 100€/tank on my E55 AMG easily and above 40€/100miles easily (if you do not floor it - otherwise the sky is the limit) - or 16€/ 100 miles on my trusty old Volvo 850 R when running on LPG.
Try out the dry cell hho generator... peoples think you have to storage the hydrogen,but is not true,you can create it and use it immediately. They just want you to storage because then you have to buy it same way as lpg gas. Only problem you have to use it 50/50 and also have to reprogramming your ECU to using 50% less fuel,because your car didn't know you added 50%hydrogen. Also have to change the ignition timing because the hydrogen explosion is faster than gasoline. Btw i live in Gouda also:)
Here in Spain (south) is about 1.60 per litre...
yes but the high cost is due to taxes. so with hydrogen if you add the high taxes the price goes much higher.
Gasoline is artificially expensive in Europe. Hydrogen, on the other hand, is artificially cheap in the U.S. If the subsidies were removed, the cost would be far higher. Hydrogen is clean to use (the only produces water lie), but it is dirty to produce.
Electric vehicles seem like the better solution until you take into account that 3/4 of the world's Cobalt which is used in rechargeable batteries is provided from mines in the Congo from working in horrible conditions
The animation at 0:09 (runner in the bubble) is a bit misleading. Hydrogen fuel cell cars emit no toxic gases like carbon monoxide, but there is hardly any oxygen left in the exhaust, the oxygen was converted to water (vapor).
These problems sound like the same problems with EVs 10 years ago. Expensive to buy, expensive to maintain, infrastructure only in California, etc. But $80 for refueling doesn't sound so bad these days. I think the biggest benefit of hydrogen is they'll appeal to enthusiasts more than EVs. They're a traditional ICE so you can play with tuning and aftermarket parts, AND you can get a traditional manual transmission. But that's with hydrogen ICE and not fuel cells as there's two types of hydrogen fuel
Due to extreme price to build hydrogen refueling stations it will never take off as real product. If Hydrogen cars became a thing 10-15 yeas ago then it would have had chance to be something more than just a gimmick, but now electrical cars will take over due to it being better solution.
I’m sure people thought the same thing about electric before it became a gigantic industry. It took at least a decade or two for electric to take off so just give hydrogen a few more years to develop before smacking it down.
@@professormadhattgaming583 That's the thing, hydrogen is worst option vs electrical ones, if those dint took off before those have no chance now. Only single chance hydrogen has is if we get nuclear fusion going and we have abundance of energy, in this case producing hydrogen and using it as fuel could be somewhat better solution or be on same level as electrical cars, but its big IF.
I’m sorry, but what does nuclear fusion have to do with anything? I’m not being rude, I’m genuinely wondering what that has to do with a hydrogen car.
@@professormadhattgaming583 Abundance of cheap energy... This is what you need for hydrogen cars to be more than gimmick. Nuclear fusion could provide means of cheap energy which can be used to convert Hydrogen which then could be used in cars. If we remove poor energy conversion rates when it comes to hydrogen, we will have more viable option. But currently its not. Hydrogen cars are between ICe and EV's, due to the fact that we have EV's currently there is no reason to even start investing money in hydrogen car development, as those are worst option when compared to EV's.
I love it when you teach me things Nolan
who doesnt
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My dad has a Mirai, we have a little far from a fuelcell, but its a nice rice (in the front) so if you have just 2 people, and live in irvine, or somewhere close, its pretty good
Some technological challenges not mentioned in this video: hydrogen leakages (the individual H2 molecules will leak through solid steel so given enough time your 80% full tank will be only 20% full), the related factor of hydrogen embrittlement (welds are especially susceptible as far as I understand?), the huge pressures to keep liquid hydrogen = massively thick and heavy steel pressure vessels (carbon fibre offers some benefits here, but that presents other challenges), and finally you're basically driving a massive bomb: hydrogen gas is highly explosive.
yes, any chemistry teacher and those who paid attention in class would tell u that hydrogen is explosive... those who think that hydrogen can be combusted, are just ineducated gasheads.. cos north korea once controlled the combustion of hydrogen and created an artificial sun
You didn't understand that, hydrogen can't just leak from tank, rhis need whole your life for eskaping. But they hide much better tanks, without fire and exploding problems, metal hydrides (1 liter of paladium hydride hold 900 liters of hydrogen, without a pressure).
@@aleksandarpetrovic6613 Metal Hydrides are too heavy for land or air transportation. They are being used in submarines and probably a good application for ships, but way too heavy for cars
@@thecorpooration metal hydrides are like foam or like sponge. Maybe a heavier than compressed hydrogen, but thank is lighter because no need for thick walls, and whole tank is much lighter than batteries 🙂 At least one inventor do this and no problems.
@@aleksandarpetrovic6613 Ok, thanks for the correction and I'll look into this further. I discounted metal hydride storage because the mass of metal required was so great, but perhaps there is new technology?
Two things kind of bugged me: One: You did not really make it clear that Hydrogen cars use an electric motor just like electric vehicles and could therefore be just as fun as a Tesla, Toyota and Honda are just not that commonly seen on drag strips. And two: Hydrogen is a byproduct in many chemical industries and it is just thrown away.
Also an electric car produces a lot of pollution because most of the power plants use coal and the production of those lithium batteries causes environmental disasters.
@@slanwar Well that counts for Hydrogen as well.
This video is soo biased and misleading! Hydrogen cars do make hella power they literally have race cars fueled by hydrogen! He's saying its expensive because of what gas stations charge u for hydrogen but there was a guy that was creating his own hydrogen guess what happened to him!? He mysteriously got murdered.. The big oil company's will lose everything if we all had cars that create hydrogen and expell water.. Hydrogen is the future either donut has been given incentives to lie to you or they are ful of sht I donno Hydrogen is waay better for the environment than electric or gas, if you people don't know that yet you will soon!
The entire universe is full of hydrogen you can make it your self at home with water electricity salt. This youtuber is just stock with a Tesla and is crying salty tears.
EV’s take an hour or more to charge ... hydrogen cars take less than gas cars to fill. They WILL win eventually;)
It didn't flop, it's a work in progress. Hybrid tech at first also hit some curbs but it eventually found it's way to the masses
Sorry but it is a big channel that has to lie about electric technology and how its our future instead of telling truth x)
@@Payro I'm not saying they're lying, I am saying their bias towards EVs is clouding their judgment for alternative technologies
Look up Hydrogen station explosion on youtube. Toyota and Hyundai kind of canned it. Your driving a car with a ticking time bomb in it, imagine a car crash with it. Hydrogen and Oxygen mix = big badda boom.
@@makemap HAHAHA ... I got the reference
@@makemap xDDDDD
Yet Australia is investing heavily into Hydrogen just as Japan is. Australia is planning to become a major producer of green hydrogen. Meanwhile the price of lithium is increasing exponentially. EV cars run on batteries are still range limited and slow to charge. In Australia it is common to do over 1000km trips, so filling up quickly is crucial.
It didn't flop, it just has a longer curve than EV. But we still need to figure out a long- lasting alternative before we start running out of lithium
Sodium-Ion Battery
Lithium is the 25th most abundant element. When I was a kid, I was told we were going to run out of oil in 20 years. 40 years later and it still hasn’t happened. Now people are falling for this “we’re going to run out of lithium” nonsense which is probably coming from the oil industry and parroted by ICE vehicle lovers. Same goes for the arguments about mining lithium. The oil spills we have had getting oil out of the ground have been way worse for the environment.
hydrogen is at least a decade behind, they have to build the infrastructure, EV only needed the battery and charging
Nolan : Complains about the cost of a tank being pricey at $80. *chuckles in European*
*chuckles under biden*
@@thepope2412 u know gasoline is at the minimum over double the price in Europe compared to the US so I doubt Biden could make it that bad
@@qBeYcarpet Biden’s gas prices are already almost doubled than trump
@@thepope2412 doubt the prices change that rapidly or is the fault of a president.
@@thepope2412 Gas prices.
Even though hydrogen fuel seems like an uphill effort, it just really needs an economy of scale. People are overlooking all the environmental toll that goes into manufaturing, distributing, maintaining and the reverse logistics of the Li-ion batteries.
I think this is the biggest point always skipped over. When green electricity becomes net positive over demand we can spend that electricity creating hydrogen rather than storing it in batteries which will overall be better for the environment, which that excess hydrogen could be sold to other countries, I feel like australia with its vast amount of unusable space could setup massive solar farms producing hydrogen to sell to other countries using fossil fuels
yeah and then the electricity, most countries still use coal....
@@Nofukoff nah I’m using the space to build a 3000km race track bruv
@@Nofukoff use your own unusable space, we don't need hydrogen when we already have and use solar, everyone can fill their electric car at home, or work eventually.
@@666t but the problem is current batteries kinda suck for the environment.
So your going to ignore the energy needed to mine the minerals for the lithium battery's? Electric vehicles are less efficient than you are making it seem to be
I feel like one could build an electrolyzer into a hydrogen car with an outlet that is compatible with a battery car charging station, and then you top it up with distilled water and use a standard electric charging station or even a regular wall outlet to create hydrogen in situ
It take 48kWh of electricity to electrolyze 1kg (equivilent to one gallon of gasoline) then 6 or 7 kwh's more to compress it to 70 bar.. So about ~55kWh. If I recall a small electrolyzer would take about 24 hrs to produce 1kg. So that isn't happening.
Imagine a clapped out hydrogen Honda Civic at 3am
It will sound from bwaaaaaaaaaaaa with a fartcan To Sheeeeeeeeeshhhhh (becoz the amount of hydrogen in the air)
just dumping water all over the street
@@Donut lol
@@Donut LMAOOOOOO
Lol just starts creating floods😂
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@@doublebopcann1654 schizo
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Hydrogen may actually find a use in aviation as it's lighter than jet fuel and new turboprop designs may be able to use it. Hydrogen is a technology, not a solution, but I'd love to see hydrogen racing cars.
Hmm, I looked into it and it is really promising as jet fuel. It is 3x more energy dense, and while it is more unsafe in some areas it is also safer than jet fuel in other ways. Thus, it is more just an issue of redesigning planes to work with hydrogen (and converting airports and power plants to have the infrastructure to support hydrogen, which are surmountable problems since there isn't any competition from EVs which are not energy dense enough and too heavy to work as a solution.
It eats through steel and is not pure trash to treasure nothing new
Good luck storing it on an weight limited aircraft. Read up on the troubles Lockheed had on the CL-400 Suntan, they couldn't manage to build a fuel tank strong enough to hold the fuel yet light enough to allow the plane to get off the ground.
It could work for commercial use, but not for cars, EV is already far ahead with more stations every year, that was the only difference because we didn't have the tech and charging, it's just a car with an electric "engine" system
Size matters. The bigger the fuel tank, the bigger the airplane. The bigger the airplane, the more air you have to shove down and out of the way.
It's too early to expect having them on the road as they need special tanks like type 3 and type 4, bear in mind a 5L tank type 4 cause a big explosion if things went wrong and imagine that explosion in a tunnel, it will be an ugly one. They will not sell the units that makes the gas because they are developing the gas to make money from it like trillions every year so it will need time till we see it on the street, even if we have hydrogen fuel for cars , the EV cars will be more safe then hydrogen powered cars from my opinion.
40 years later, someone will make a movie called "Who killed the Hydrogen car" featuring "Big Battery" and with Elon Musk as the main villain
Thought, neither of the two will have killed them . The Hydrogrn car will be the hypersportscar of the furture. Not because it is as sportive but because it will be as unavailable and glamorous as them. In the future most cars probably will have insane accelleration and efficiency, so the decancy will be range and luxury.
i still view him as a villain, not to get political or arguing
@@mandernachluca3774 Range would be easily solved using better batteries.
@@mandernachluca3774 no, americans want range on their cars not performance, range is what will hopefully come with solid state batteries.
And it's going to be available on PBS and the history channel plus app
"A hydrogen ion is just a proton" *deuterium has entered the chat*
Well, Deuterium is an isotope of hydrogen :)
what did you call me?
You don’t just find deuterium
@@kasperholck5928 I am pretty sure he meant to say that deuterium has neutron too ,so saying hydrogen ion is just proton is kinda wrong
@@uddayagupta911 Please note I'm an electrician and not a chemist. But it's also kinda right, in my opinion. 'Donut media' -guy said hydrogen is just a proton, because he meant plain hydrogen. Any other variant (isotope), than the most naturally occurring one, should be addressed as is. If he's just talking about plain hydrogen there shouldn't be any confusion, because we all know it (with 0 neutrons) as the most naturally occurring one. Sure, deuterium exists naturally in heavy water, and the rare gas tritium (with 2 neutrons) but that's why we named them differently - to avoid confusion. Do I make any sense at all?
Standard Hydrogen station has a capacity of 180kg per 24hours. Devided by the 5 to 6 kg per car is around a max of 35 cars per day. Even worse, after 2 cars the pressure is so low, that it will take about 30 minutes to get up to pressure for the next 2 cars . . . . . That is because the hydrogen is stored in large tanks at 30bar. That has to be pumped up to 700bar to fill a car with 5kg hydrogen. It takes so long, due to the heat that comes from bringing the hydrogen up to 700bar, while cooling it below -40c. A normal small gas station, where we live, has 45.000 ltr per fuell in storage. That is enough for around 1.000 cars Anyone ever did the math, how many hydrogen fuelltrucks it will take to transport that hydrogen to a fuell station with a capacity to fill 1000 hydrogen cars? . . . . . . that stream is endless, of over 28 trucks per day to a huge station with over 30 filling points . . . . . Somehow, i dont think hydrogen will be the future for cars. PS. Hydrogen leaks a lot. with production, transport and fuelling the cars. the leaking hydrogen forms fapor that goes in the upper part of the athmosphere. That is about 11 x worse than co2.
Crustacean / Station ratio needs to be formally adopted as a form of measurement globally.
I'd like to know the public EV charging station : EV vehicles in a particular locale to lobster house ratio.
Biggest thing you neglected to mention was the loss in efficiency accounting for the acquisition of lithium and fabrication of batteries for electric vehicles. Those costs alone are always disregarded but are substantially harmful for the environment.
Exactly I don't see why this is even a debate. Electric cars run on a finite resource of lithium. Hydrogen is one of the most abundant elements in the universe. All of the cons for it can be fixed by infrastructure changes and it produces water which is another limited resource as well. I wonder if hydrogen cars would effect the weather if there were enough on the road.
ima just copy and paste my post from earlier, but I was thinking the same thing. My post - "Hold the fuck on, as soon as you said the engine is actually an electric engine powered by the leftover electrons that got me wondering....Why not just make an electric/hydrogen hybrid??? The engine for electric vehicles already runs off well..electricity stored in those big lithium ion batteries the hydrogen fuel cells would solve the EV's problem of long distance driving while being able to stay greener than current hybrid engines powered by gas/electricity The current EV tech would solve the performance issues of the hydrogen cars bringing them up to speed for quick acceleration using the battery power when needed, and then swap back to the hydrogen fuel cells once up to speed..... Hell this might actually increase that 400 mile range to be even further as well since its now a hybrid, ALSO since its a hybrid that means you can in a pinch drive on just the battery so your chance of being stranded somewhere just lessened a good bit..... ALSO WE COULD REDUCE THE SIZE OF THOSE LITHIUM ION BATTERIES THAT WE CANT REALLY RECYCLE!!! (seriously, we make these things for these cars and they incredibly difficult to recycle) WHY IS THIS COMBO NOT A THING??? or is it and I just dont know it? or is it not being pursued because of competition between companies?"
This is a very current issue in my home country of Serbia, where there is significant public pushback against shady deals struck to open up a lithium mine in the next few years. It is rather concerning how this is overlooked, but I do get why - it is not directly the problem of someone in Los Angeles that the Congo is being a) exploited for its resources and b) its environment being destroyed so that Los Angeles can have zero emissions and at the same time keep the moral high ground of "we are doing everything we can while the third world pollutes more and more" (while at the same time the same third world is being polluted quite a bit by foreign investors that many times come exactly from the developed first world countries). The demand for batteries is skyrocketing and I wonder what will happen when the sales of EVs go from 6 million per year to potentially completely dominating the market. In the same way how one company launched EVs into the mainstream, hopefully there can be another that will explode an alternative tech like hydrogen so said tech can be improved in a rapid way like the EVs.
Lithium is 100% recyclable
Yeah, and the major source of hydrogen is steam-methane reforming and the byproduct is....carbon monoxide. The whole debate is kinda stupid considering that what we need are negative carbon emissions, even zero emissions won´t really work anymore, we fucked up. The scientific commnunity has been saying it for a while, personal vehicles are unsustainable, there´s no magic, there are simply too many cars. What we need is green public transportation, no amount of prius, teslas and mirais can save us...
"Hyperion asks, 'What good is a gun that doesn 't shoot where you point?'" - Marcus Kincaid
Sooo, you wanna hear another story, huh ?
@@lotfihihi *Crashes XP1* XP1 with New-U voice: "Do not worry about the afterlife, Hyperion customer! Hell is reserved exclusively for pedophiles, and people who buy *insert brand competitors* "
ahhh what a glorious day for capitalism
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Hydrogen Cars' actual problem = Oil, Gas, Electric Coal Industries.
11:05 Watts are unit of power, in this example the correct unit for energy should be Watt-hours or joules.
There's a hydrogen fuel station near me and I only see people driving through it to avoid speed bumps
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That sounds like an accident waiting to happen
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Pop up and down headlights is going to be stuck in my head for the rest of the day.
Stuck like the headlights themselves
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And the garage with a plug is part of the BEV infrastructure too. There's nothing like it. Charge overnight in your garage. You never have to go out your way to a fueling station on your daily drive, which is 95% of my driving. With my garage electricity, I can go 1,000 miles for $39 in my Model Y. On a road trip, about 19 minutes of charging at a Supercharger for every 3 hrs of driving. Not bad at all. Just enough time to get a snack. have a bathroom break, and stretch a little.
I personally think hybrids, flex, and second generation ethanol cars are the way to go at the moment considering how little they do/will disrupt the economy and their environmental benefits. And for the last time car lovers (including myself) literally no one is attacking gas cars. News flash, there are other people who aren’t into cars like us, who just use them to get from a to b. So stop getting pissy over new legislation that does no harm to you or new environmentally friendly alternatives.
They need to recirculate the water generated to a water dispenser in the car for it to become a viable option, with added flavors like strawberry lemonade plz.
tbh i would wanna swap out the exaushaustaust from a traditional diesel engine and drink water out of it carbon = diamond ill be as strong as a diamond
@@CheekiBreeki-mq2my carbonated diamond
Yeah, like, imagine you're sweating in the blistering heat, and then some wanker drives past in his bougie hydrogen car that's literally dripping water all over the road. Water scarcity is a real thing that's already impacting _Western, first world_ countries, and will probably become the next global issue if we survive climate change. Driving a car that exhausts water will be as despicable as one that exhausts black smog right now.
You mean like vape tank installed?
@@mahfudmahmuddin3161 Pakistani
I like the Red Lobster ratio. I will create a new measurement system in Reb Lobster metrics.
Donut really has created its own measurement system. I measure time in BPM (Before Post Malone) now.
Hail Lobster.
Very American
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It'll still make more sense than Imperial.
in Norway more and more semi-trucks are running on natural gas (LNG mostly), but in Italy a lot of truck especially Iveco running on CNG
The documentary, 'Who Killed The Electric Car ?' Went into the topic of Hydrogen cars. I remembered Hydrogen being presented be offered as the most inefficient of all propulsion systems.
It was, two decades or so ago, now it's BEV's.
I remember10-15 years ago youtubers were making ''educational'' videos about why electric cars floped and why bio fuel is DeFinITeLy the future. Hydrogen cars haven't flopped, they haven't taken off yet. For something to 'flop' it must be preceded by a significant failed effot to 'prop' it first. Nobody tried propping hydrogen cars yet. Large car manufacturers never make those efforts and never take those risks. Toyota and others are just trying things out, in a slow and calculated manner like all large corpothers. That doesn't mean hydrogen is failing. They were doing the same with electric cars.
hmmm... despite that California initiative going back to Governator Schwarzenegger (so more than 10 years) and its enormous money input the number of hydrogen fuel station has been stagnating since december 2018 (according to the data I found it might even be down 1 station from 45 to 44 in the whole of the USA). That alone is a failure (comparison to electrical charging which went up from 20k to almost 100k stations in the same time period). They are more successfull in Europe (especially in the Netherlands and Germany) but compared to battery based EVs they are having trouble getting traction. For me, unless they manage to bring some new technology that gives them a serious edge, they seem to be a lost cause. Especially, since batteries are constantly improving and once solid-state batteries hit the shelf (lab data is very promising, truly hope it delivers), it is game over (unless they pull off a miracle before that).
Electricity for small vehicles with batteries and anything that can be conected to wires , (like trains) , hydrogen for large vehicles that can't be conected to wire (mainly planes rocket and any air transpotation)
True bro I m sure one day Hydrogen cars will be more popular than Electric cars😎
@@etherealicer i've seen that hydrogen toyota driving around once in a while and i live in michigan so unless we have the only station i think there's more than one
@@tjm_tk According to Alternative Fuels Data Centre, the closest Hydrogen Station from Detroit is in Quebec. :D. Honestly, I cannot find any Hydrogen station in Michigan (BP used to have one, but that seems to be out of operation). According to google, the US has a total of 25 public hydrogen fuelling stations (March 2022, 24 in California and 1 in Hawaii. Other sources quote higher numbers up to around 50). Just for comparison, there are 94 Nuclear reactors ;) There are private ones of course (e.g. for large warehouses), which makes me think that the guy probably has access to one of these stations.
Meanwhile here in The Netherlands you fill up your petrol car for 80 euro's lol. 32 dollars for a full tank is something I can only dream of here
But you also earn more?
Meanwhile in the woods of northern Michigan, gasoline is $3 a gallon, you need a 4x4 for the winter as we get 150 to 300 inches of snow every year, but with all the maple trees and cattails you can produce your own vodka and run your vehicle on that for far less than gasoline... also, you can build a high performance engine with lots of compression, boost too if you want, and enjoy lots of power on home made fuel. Living in a big city or some country that won't allow you to do anything makes it much harder. But on the bright side Europeans don't have to fight in the oil wars... US citizens do that for them.
@Eye Patch Guy Our tax rates aren't that bad though.
Tell your government that you demand lower fuel prices. Remember, they work for you -- not the other way around.
That is because your betters have determined that you peasants are unworthy and you should be taxed heavily for your presumption of equal standing. Most of that cost to you is tax. We in the US are getting the same reaction from our elites, so watch gasoline and electricity prices climb rapidly over the next 4 years.
practically no electric cars take a full hour to recharge on an approriate DC charger. it usually takes between 20 and 40 minutes, depending on the model with the Zoe being the slowest at 50 min to reach 80%(tho if you want to charge at peak speed, you are better off disconnecting after about 35 min and driving off to the next charger).
As much as it may sound annoying to charge an electric car, for a daily driver, the removal of the need to go to a refuelling station is a benefit that is often overlooked. If you can get a charger in your home, the fact that you always leave the house with a “full tank” and never need to add a stop to your commute to a refuelling station is a game changer in my opinion. I think one of the problems of a hydrogen car is that it has no practical benefits to the consumer over gasoline cars other than the good feeling of not producing emissions. Whereas an EV is practically different. It may not be for everyone, but for most people, they’re actually more practical for daily use: fewer trips to to dealer for maintenance, charging at home, can “idle” without breaking laws, more storage space.
This is so biased.. you give energy efficiency of hydrogen from the point of conversion to hydrogen, while for electric cars, you assume electricity is consumed directly but do not provide the conversion or loss while creating electricity (coal, gas, etc)..
Yup, and the outrageous environmental cost of building and transporting the batteries for EVs. It's not as simple as he claims...
They did not count the 'conversion or loss while creating electricity' that helps produce Hydrogen either so its fair i guess?
Batteries and vehicles powered by these are considered dangerous freights!
In Germany they creating hydrogen plants that run of the electricity that’s left over from solar or wind power during the day when there is not that much power used und so it will not be wasted because it can’t be store some where else
You’d still have the conversion loss when make electricity to hydrolyse water, assuming you make the hydrogen that way
"At $80 a tank, it's expensive" Me, with a 36 gallon tank: 😳
80 dollars to go 400 miles. Yeah this tech is real attractive. 🙄
Here in germany I pay around 2 dollars for a litre of gasoline
@@anthony_pr1033 man that sucks I bitch every time gas goes over a dollar a litre here in Canada
@@anthony_pr1033 nice. I pay maybe 20 bucks a month more on my electric bill a month to keep my Tesla charged and occasionally charge at one of my works warehouses for free.
@@taipoxin wait, it only costs 20 DOLLARS to charge your car FOR A WHOLE MONTH??? damn...
Fuel cell vehicles are electric motor driven. The key difference is the electricity is generated on board. A fair accounting of efficiency for battery powered vehicles would include the efficiency of generation and transmission to the charging station (appx 30% efficiency)....
Obviously as time passes costs coming with hydrogen cars will get lower same happened with EVs
What I miss in this presentation (which I liked a lot!) is that it was left out that electric cars require Lithium batteries. The production of those batteries is what is the problem in terms of sustainability and environmentally friendliness. Also, once the energy that is produced is green and portable, the efficiency becomes secondary because with H2 as energy storage, we can reach near emission free transport as opposed to battery storage that requires Lithium cells...
well actually hydrogen cars also require big lithium batteries, about the size of a plug in hybrid battery. Additionally, hydrogen production is very much *NOT* green in any way what so ever. especially in relation to BEV's.
@@engineeringtheweirdguy2103 hydrogen cars require smaller batteries and in theory can achieve a state where they do not need batteries at all. And if you think that the energy production to power EV cars is any more green you are mistaken.
@@carlosmandoz6289 I do think it is more green. And I am not mistaken. Would you like me to spell it out for you? Also in theory, yes, they could be entirely sufficient on the fuel cells, except for 2 problems, that would require a vastly larger fuel cell in a car already restricted in space and second, it takes time to ramp flow through a fuel cell. Your power would seriously lag until the fuel cell go going enough. So no. And like I said, BEV’s are much greener.
@@carlosmandoz6289 EVs need 3 times less energy. That is a huge problem. You can speak of efficiency becoming a secondary thing, but that is only through if we would have way too much renewable energy. Which is not the case at all. Hydrogen will play a role in the energy transition for sure, and some big boats and trucks (semi) may use it. In a car there is no advantage at all. I already drive an EV, and I don't see any reason to switch to a hydrogen car, making everything more difficult and expensive. A fuel up could be slightly faster, but the stations are less, and with an EV I am able to charge it off my own solar panels.
I first heard about hydrogen powered cars (with internal combustion engines) about 30 years ago (give or take a couple). Hydrogen, being quite combustible (remember the Hindenburg disaster at Lakehurst, New Jersey, in 1937? ), was burned in those ICE engines quite successfully. Hydrogen production was a serious drawback even at that time. The big difference should be that all of the discussion regarding efficiencies would be irrelevant since there is no conversion to electric storage and discharging through an electric motor. Hydrogen is burned the same as gasoline but far more cleanly. What I've never heard discussed, is why did all of the engineering and production efforts switched to providing power for an electric system? What pushed the design to an electric power plant versus a very clean internal combustion engine?
Just purchased a 2021 mirai. Got 50% in California after 20k cashback from toyota and incentives. Looking great so far. Hope they can get more stations around cal
Wow. That's a brave move. Let's hope they don't run out of H2 like last year. 6 hr queues at some stations.
Don't blow up if you get in a car accident. You do know hydrogen is highly explosive right?
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@@nc6956 hydrogen is thinner than air so dissipates fast. Safer than gpl or gas
@@edwardbyard6540 I live 2 blocks from a station so hopefully Im safe
The only reason it is so comparatively cheap to build electric power stations is, that the government (taxes) pays for the entire infrastructure and the companies only have to pay for the actual land and charging stations, where as with hydrogen the companies have to foot the entire bill,,, at least for now.
How can something flop that was never adopted yet? There are companies still researching them especially Toyota and if you follow them they have made very interesting strides. Most gave up because it presents unique challenges, but the company that figures it out will be rewarded.
Always been annoyed at how hydrogen gets cast aside when electric has just as many or more problems!
@Nicholas Millington The governments is the problem, no gas sales no tax going to them.
What?
@Nicholas Millington what about lithium in batteries?
Looks like Toyota isint giving up on hydrogen and is converting one of their engines to run on hydrogen instead of using a fuel cell so there's hope. Plus you still get the exhaust sound
From how I understand it, its the platinum and iridium needed to construct the hydrogen fuel cells that is the problem. The mass production cost of those materials are the bottleneck.
I think it's important to remember that EVs require enormous batteries that use up rare elements. Furthermore when the life cycle of the vehicle is over those batteries produce toxic waste.
1 paragraph of issues with batteries. Not bad. There’s whole books about why oil is worse.
@@juggl5720 he is talking about batteries not motors
@@rogerszmodis6913 pretty sure he meant hydrogen cars wich dont use oil
@ThePatUltra. I would read that book.
old news. Batteries are recycled for a second like in power walls since quite some years now. The material is an issue, but they've been innovations very recently on this matter. Point is: technology is still evolving and getting better on this.
Tell me your a Tesla fan boy without telling me your a Tesla fan boy
As someone who is currently working in a Hydrogen fueling solutions firm, I can tell you hydrogen fuel cell electric vehicles will be take off again within two years. More and more fueling stations are being completed and entering into commercial use. Hydrogen companies are working collectively with automakers to produce good vehicles. Most importantly, the government funding and all initiatives. Trust me. You will see it big again.
I’ll be curious to see how hydrogen racing goes in 2023 at LeMans. Once proper racing is getting done with the tech then it will advance in leauges
This. Racing always brings technology forward quicker.
Just check out Hyundai N2025.
Kind of, the primary problem of the last 20 years is infrastructure. A race circuit will guarantee the cars are always near a fuel tank. Cities in California could mandate that their fleet be 33% HFCV, because the cars would never be out of range of a station. This demand for hydrogen could spur supply in the areas between cities. People who haven’t been to California don’t realize SF to LA can be a 2 day trip with small children. SF to Disneyland is over 400 miles. SF to the Oregon border is another 379 miles. SF to State Line, NV (Lake Tahoe) is 191 miles. The California Highway Patrol could force this by installing charging stations at their regional offices for non emergency vehicles.
1 year of racing using H is roughly like 5 years in the road. The only problem regarding Hydrogen is in the process of making it. I am no chemist but using electrolysis, is not an efficent way of making it. If more funds and R&D would be put in hydrogen, by now that was the solution
It depends on how restrictive the rules are. Restrictive rules lead to better competition but development moves at a crawl. Open regs makes the racing worse but you get bigger better development
9:14 god i love that transition like thats so cool
I love when a Bluetooth product boasts about having a 30ft range. Yea that's Bluetooth... It's a feature of the technology, not the product. My $15 speaker for work also has a 30ft range
For 400 miles with 6 kG of H2 at $16/kG, then the cost is $96 for fuel. A Honda accord that gets 35 MPG with gas at $3 a gallon, the fuel cost would be $11.43 for the same 400 miles. Don't think many people will want to pay that kind markup to drive an H2 car.
It hasn’t flopped, stay tuned for the future ‼️
After Tesla's Battery Day event last year, how can you still see a future in hydrogen powered consumer cars?
@@gabrielgingras814 because Tesla is a over priced and cheap build sh**box 😅
Sounds like hydrogen's tagline for the last 20 years, and the next 20 years.
yea Aus just dumped a heap into RnD defs aint flopped. this isnt a great video
@@denismatavs116 Please elaborate. I'm sure we can work out if you have compelling arguments or if you're just repeating bs without knowing anything.
efficiency: you really need to include the whole cycle for everything. oil->gas, lithium mining->batteries and miles of wire for transmission for electrics. what about end-of-life concerns, especially with used batteries? Many, many more things need to be considered when you are talking about efficiency and effectiveness and the toll on the environment.
Yeah, that efficiency comparison between electric and hydrogen is both apples to oranges and leaves out the orchard differences altogether. Math in engineering used wrong[ly].
He's not talking about efficiency, he's talking about what the consumer wants. There is no good reason to buy a hydrogen vehicle, it is slow, the hydrogen is very expensive, it lacks a station.
@@paperhouse6282 at the moment but that is changing and fast.
@@matty26261 Same with the battery
@@matty26261 I doubt it will change that fast, electric vehicles are simply the ideal solution for this global issue.
yeah that price to performance might need a re-evaluation one year later with the increase of oil and gas prices. I think the best thing about hydrogen fuel cells is that lithium isnt as big of a factor. The production of hydrogen right now is not very green, but it is possible with solar or wind power, the infastructure isnt in place now but in future maybe that wll change?
hi from the future, gas prices are very low until probably spring, the difference with EV is that it only needed the battery technology and charging to come out, that's when it really took off, hydrogen would need an entire new infrastructure and fuel system, EV already does the same job right now, and is far ahead with more stations today, I doubt that hydrogen can catch up, there are too many drawbacks in comparison
Just install a pullback mechanism like the toys cars. Design it to rewind quickly as you drive then disconnect, only using it for takeoff or extra boost.
Hey, maybe as an idea for a future episode, you can talk about Porsche's synthetic fuel
Yes! Good idea bro 👏🏼
I was thinking about that this entire time, I wonder how efficient it will be compared to electric cars
Would be a good chance of not destroying the internal combustion engine completely
That would be cool but keep in mind synthetic fuel has been around long before Porsche. The video should be about the other companies as well
@@Yelloww44 Well that's not the only thing, it also means real cars can stay around before the governments decide to take our fun ones with engines away.
6 kg for 400 miles is really something alright. Petrol cars need 41 kg to do the same range. The amount of energy that it can put out is impressive for such a small volume. I can see the future here.
You mean small weight. Hydrogen in practice takes up extraordinary amounts of volume, even for little weight.
that compressed hydrogen is expensive af tho 💀
You might have missed the huge steel tanks necessary to store this hydrogen safely. It doesn't make the car any lighter than an EV, even though it is only 6kg. They are complicated and require periodic check ups to see if the tanks are still okay.
@@scanialover its not compared to europes' prices.
Hydrogen is the lightest element, and you mean to say weight not volume
The 38% efficiency of the hydrogen fuel cell car took into account processing of the hydrogen fuel at 10:52 . The 25-35% efficiency of the ICE car at 11:43 did not take into account the processing of gasoline. So the car is actually even worse than 25-35%. The chart at 12:28 takes fuel production into account.
I didn't see if anyone commented, but as far as i remember, the hidrogen pump needs to re-pressurize after each refueling, and i remember that it took a good time to do that, ~15min....
Nolan is like the informational interesting uncle and James is the dope uncle that sells you and your friends beer and weed
What 😂
@@bentrieb1873 wdym what🤣
@@aaron-fauth my uncles are cool but they don’t sell weed
@@bentrieb1873 🤣
and then theres Jerry... But we dont speak about Jerry.
Nolan: “With literal water coming out of the exhaust” Me *In Michigan*: “Yep..... that’ll be a problem”
Makes you wonder why they gave us a hydrogen pump 😂 it’s literally 40 out rn and it’s spring
why is that a problem in michigan? (not from us)
@@francesfarmer3874 it gets pretty cold
@@francesfarmer3874 We spend a good chunk of our year below the freezing point. Water coming out of the exhaust would just freeze solid. 😂
@@foundationsmedicalinformat2420 ahh i thought it was hot in michigan
for those who dont know. Pressurized Hydrogen is extremely explosive. good luck living a crash in one
Actually... Your 'Department of Energy' says THIS: "Fuel cells can operate at higher efficiencies than combustion engines and can convert the chemical energy in the fuel directly to electrical energy with efficiencies capable of exceeding 60%. Fuel cells have lower or zero emissions compared to combustion engines."
My professor is always saying: "Hydrogen is the champagne of fuels"
This video doesn't go over hydrogen combustion engine. This video only discusses hydrogen to electricty systems if you look into hydrogen on demand you'll learn of people using it in different ways.
Yeah you don't have to mine hydrogen but have you ever seen a lithium mine?
@@mitchelllewis1079 I suggest you look into how we make hydrogen.
@@sebastianflynn1746 There are more ways being researched to produce hydrogen
@@AdotLOM they're just researching new catalyst materials I'll believe it to be viable when I see it.
Hydrogen cost 80 bucks for 400miles! I pay 80 like every 100 miles with my old Mercedes.
My VW Jetta gets 350 miles for $32. Gas powered :)
@@criticaltexan2334 that's only in the us, here in europe it's a very different story and they can somewhat compete.
I pay $80 for 350 miles on my truck
My Accord with CNG I Can run 400 miles for 21$ , with petrol need 92$ for 400 miles
@@csntb6822 Yep, because the US subsidizes oil corps $20bn a year in taxpayer money to keep gas prices low, or our gas would cost the same as Europe.
another thing nolan shouldve mentioned is if you get into a wreck and if there were any heat involved hydrogen is EXTREMLY flamible which is extremely dangerous for civilian cars
some things that need to be talked about is the recycleability of the cells compared to li-ion, also the minning of the raw materials used, cause otherwise theoretically the cost problem is solvable
Nolan:" i spent most of my time playing rocket league and watching movies" Me watching this video: gets a rocket league ad right after he says it
you’ve heard of how KZhead works right? how algorithms work? you’re like my Mom who gets freaked out when Amazon recommends a product to her she was just talking about...in her kitchen...next to her Alexa.
@@allegorx58 They’re not freaking out, just pointing out a funny coincidence in the ad placement. Get that stick out of your ass dude, jesus
Targeted ads
illuminati confirmed
Same😂
For the Electrolysis portion, although it is used, most of the hydrogen produced in the world (95% for refineries) is something called Steam Methane Reforming Whereby through many chemical engineering steps to long to explain in a KZhead comment, natural gas is superheated with steam to produce Hydrogen. the hydrogen Its about 1/3 as expensive but is also at some disadvantages as it requires a lot of heat, and the first reaction produces Carbon Monoxide which needs to be further processed to Carbon Dioxide and Water through a shift reactor. I Literally just finished writing a training manual on this, so it's been on my brain lately.
Can you check out what aaron salter is talking about in his hydrogen car video?
Use solar power to produce the hydrogen with a silver catalyst, and than it's free to produce once the solar power plant is built.
NOx production during the reaction was also not considered.
Could the waste heat from a nuclear reactor be used to manufacture? I saw someone years ago talking about how Nuclear power plants can be used to desalinate water or melt metals, seems like a good candidate.
We could use nuclear energy for the heat
For personal use, EV's might be enough for most people. But don't forget that trucks still use diesel in huge volumes. It's hard to imagine electric trucks being a viable option for green transportation of goods and materials over large distances and hydrogen is a much more realistic option in that respect. If we already need infrastructure to provide hydrogen for trucks, you might as well use it for cars as well. Just as we do with gas stations nowadays.
For manufactory H2 is produces from natural gas. You forgot one thing handling , H2 is highly flash gas.
Hydrogen needs to be made a lot more because then the tech gets cheaper, then we use more power, power gets cheaper.
and by the time it gains traction, the world will be moving away from Lithium Ion and into Solid State batteries and there will be no going back.
Hydrogen is cheap to make, but the emissions it creates are expensive to remove/sequester/etc.
Efficiency still doesn't change though.
@@jonmayer Efficiency is labeled as one of the main benefits of moving from Lithium to Solid State. I'm honestly not sure how exactly they are quantifying the use of that word but apparently 1000 KM can be achieved on a battery pack that we currently get 400 out of, and it would weigh less. Samsung hit 500miles on their Solid State pack last year and NIO's Solid State pack hit 621miles back in January. Not exactly fit for use at Le Mans but there are several billions of dollars pushing solid state batteries forward and both Toyota and Tesla have teamed up to make it happen.
Well, here’s the thing. Electric cars have been around for about 120 years. Hydrogen has been around about 60 years, and we can compare the two technologies? The fact that half the research time has gone into hydrogen, and they’re still comparable to electric is pretty impressive. To me, it shows that it’s just as good, if not better than electric. Sure there are a few kinks, but those can be ironed out with research and time. At first, electric cars weren’t so great either, but now look at them.
I work at Toyota, so heres some more tidbits about the Mirai and hydrogen fuel! The mirai has its big ol tank and battery pretty close to the ground underneath the vehicle. If you scratch any bit of it, ie bottom out on a pothole, the cost of repair is worth 2/3 of the vehicle itself, practically totalling the car outright. These cars are pretty intricate and fragile in that sense, so you have to be extremely careful when driving these. And the H2O button is cool cuz theres a separate water tank that the mirai has thatll get full. So you have to empty the tank, or “pee” it. I like to take off and leave a snail trail cuz i think its funny lol. Hydrogen fueling stations are tricky too, cuz theres no way to tell how much hydrogen is in the station. And the way that these vehicles fill up is with difference in pressure. So, if youre running on empty and wanna fill up, and the stations running on empty too, youre kinda rolling the dice. If the mirais tank pressure is at or above the pressure in the station... youre kinda sol. Either find another station or limp home. We had a customer that came in one day cuz he went to three different hydrogen stations in sacramento and he could never fill up his whole tank cuz the pressure in his tank was greater than all 3 stations at that time.
That sounds like a big hassle dude
@@jessISaRicePrincess it is. Imo its just not worth the money
But can't you fill it up in a gallon and manually fill it up yourself
Wow you're almost risking filling the station from your own car lol. Thanks valves tho
Your forgot to mention 1) maintenance - hydrogen cars have more 2) safety - compressing hydrogen to a liquid requires immense pressure. This makes both bumps and tanks in cars major explosive risks. This is why they’ve struggled to build infrastructure in addition to cost 3) convenience - with an electric you wake up everyday with a full tank because you can charge at home. There’s no at home hydrogen option and never will be.
Yeah, good point, however you forgot to point out that producing the batteries of electric cars are problematic too.