About a year ago, my wife asked if she could play a game. Instead of simply saying yes, I decided to run an informal experiment where I had her play a sampling of games to see how, after a lifetime of not playing games, she would do. These are the results.
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I used to have a pinned comment here that answered questions, but, like...I can't find it? It vanished, I think? I do not know why or how or if I did it myself and forgot, but I just figured I'd take the time to say hello and remind you to not get mad at me for saying lady I live with. Thank you.
Maybe the one who made the comment deleted it
i got this video reccomended after you commented on it hmm
@@kappapl5410 me too
what's the game at 1:29
Hi
"Hiding in a house isn't a fun way to play a game" PUBG players: ...
modern warfare players: ....claymore the corner
Rainbow six siege
COD: MW players: Hold my claymore!
@@bethanydavis9023 Roamers: Hold my BOSG ACOG
@@sBinnotto me: "Kay." -Holds item.-
“Hey can I play that game with the cute little ghost?” “Sure, just uh, play these other like 7 games aswell.”
This is the worst Scott Pilgrim reboot.
*S T O N K S*
What do u mean Whats that game w 7 ghosts
Those are the bosses, if she beats them, then she can challenge the final boss.
@@themanok178 are you stupid?
Get this woman into D&D, I feel like her creative problem solving that held back her enjoyment with this medium would be what made her shine in TTRPGs
yess i was thinking the same thing!
Makes me think about how to reignite a sort of exploratory thought process, definitely something I struggle with when I look at a character sheet and just think of my abilities and spells like a video game.
Baldurs gate 3!!!
@@stevenmaswabi-zz9ktoverrated
Does BG3 have a "story mode" difficulty like Divinity 2? I imagine that would be ideal for her.
One of the coolest things ever was watching my aunt try to understand Minecraft which her kid was playing. It was neat watching her understand the concept, but not grasp its more "videogamey" rules. He mentioned he was mining iron to make an iron sword to replace his stone sword, and she suggested he use some of his copper to make a copper sword in the meantime: she understood the concept of crafting but didn't understand the arbitrary limitation behind what you could and couldn't craft. When she noticed that breaking a campfire gave charcoal instead of a replaceable campfire item, she asked what he'd get if he broke a torch assuming all burning items dropped burned-out items when broken. When he explained it was better to buy a new sword from a weaponsmith rather than make them himself or repair the ones he had, she said he should ask the weaponsmith if he could repair swords. It was great watching this lady, who had zero understanding of video games, apply real-world logic to a game where all us gamers applied gamer logic lol
I cant blame her for the copper sword, when the update dropped i was pretty sad ab that too😂
U typed all that just to say she didn’t know u couldn’t make copper swords. U trying to analyze too hard
I appreciate the anecdote. Ignore @@Dayonehundredvisuals, the debbie-downer.
@@Dayonehundredvisualsbro shut up let the man be interested in something without scrutiny
@@Dayonehundredvisuals Perhaps if you tried a little harder to analyze things, you'd know basic grammar and how not to be offended by perfect strangers talking about a block game.
"She didn't realize that she was supposed to use the mouse." That's a like.
oof
Don't insult that poor lady like that
@@tommyjohnson4855 whiteknight.
So goddamn funny
You know… Playing Portal with the constraint of not being able to look around, would add an interesting and difficult new difficulty level, and thus increase the challenge. Might be a fun way to add replay value to a game. Treating a 3D game like a side scroller that just happens to be rendered in, and have gameplay mechanics in, 3D. Like being a 2D being, trying to interact with a 3D space.
You really should have had her play minecraft last. "Where am I" "Where do I go" "What Do I do" There are no answers
holy shit u right
Minecraft Anywhere that meets your goals Anything that meets your goals.
You're here. You go where you want to go. You do what you want to do.
@@bucket1442 10000+IQ dude
Why I hate sandbox games in a nutshell.
The biggest takeaway for me after watching this video is just how malleable the brain of a child is. All of the difficulties that she endured while simply just trying to play a video game are all tribulations that I have long forgotten. And there is something to be said about game developers who design games with the expectation that the player already has at least a little bit of knowledge of how video games work. Basically, games are made for gamers. If you're a gamer, then there is a lot that doesn't need explaining.
I think that's fine though. Because that way you can give new gamers and incentive to play older games and they will appreciate them. That's why I let people play Pokemon and Yu-Gi-Oh from the very beginning. Also, if we are saying that games are solely produced for gamers, it's not completely true. Because a lot of casual indie games exist for casual players too. LIke Fruit Ninaj or bubble shooter etc. Even my parents play that stuff. Many "hardcore" gamers get inexplicably angry about casual games existing but I don't see the problem. Not everyone wants to play challenging games and even within the general gaming communities not everyone is hyper competitive and wants to play every game on the highest possible level or difficulty. And fact is, when we started playing video games in the 80s and 90s, all games were casual games anyway.
I mean it always felt intuitive even back when I first touched my first pc game at 6
@@celenial6009It felt intutive too but that's propably because we were kids and din't overthink it and try to apply real life logic to it.
Thats why determining your target demographic is really important you can't make something that satisfies everyone (or at least would be very hard) so its important to choose a type of players who are gonna play the game and tailor it specifically for them
It's funny I think that games like Fallout: New Vegas and more recently Baldur's Gate 3 are so well received is because they really did put a lot of thought into how you could approach different situations. Sure there are restrictions due to programming and game design, but they really just sat there and thought about different ways people could do things, making multiple connections and different ways to end quests. It takes a lot more work but feels a lot better in the end
Yes!! As someone who is just learning to appreciate and play games, I have loved BG3 so much because of this exactly!
One other thing that can frustrate players either starting for the first time or after a loooong break, is just bad design. I’ll still occasionally assume I’m doing something wrong in a game only to watch a Let’s Play and see that no, I’m not awful, it was just bad game design. Once you are more confident in your gameplay overall you notice janky mechanics a lot more. Ex: jump mechanics not working consistently.
One of my favorite things was watching my friend, ThatFinnishFox, who is fluent in video games, play BG3. There was a vial of acid suspended in a web and she wondered if she could knock it down by throwing a bone at it to get the vial. She succeeded, but the vial broke after falling and damaged one of the characters with the acid. I clipped it and showed it to her later because it made me laugh so hard.
yeah its called an rpg its a whole genre
1. My wife 2. the lady i live with 3. THIS WOMAN 4. *t h i s l i t t l e p e s t*
KZheadTM algorithm 4. THIS HEATHEN. Each name gets more dehumanizing
Pick your poison
You forgot “this little pest” 18:24
@@cwc965 subs say hes talking about the 'TEST', not his wife. (test sounds like pest)
KZheadTM algorithm Wonder if his wife knows he calls her “The lady I live with!?” 😂
Before dark souls: “My wife” After dark souls: “The lady I live with”
*lived
Ianoodin that was barely English but I think I agree?
Lmao you guys are funny
@Ianoodin That was the whole point of the experiment: How she plays the game without any help. I'm pretty sure he answered most of her questions afterwarda
@Ianoodin you are a fkin "genius" lol
6:18 hearing you ask "why would she?" was surprising to me. as a woman, i loveee watching my boyfriend play video games. its one of my favorite things to do when i just want to relax and watch something entertaining. im a gamer myself so i watch a lot of gaming videos so i think thats the reason why, but also i think it has to do something with me growing up while having to share a console with my brothers and i'd always watch them play while waiting for my turn. so i guess its kind of like a love language to me now being in a relationship. since my bf and i are only 19, we dont live together, so when i get off my pc from gaming and get ready for bed, i always ask him if he could stream his games so i could watch him play while im in bed :) i just love that we share the same hobby and its even better when i can watch him play because i love hearing him talk about things hes interested in, makes me fall in love with him even more everyday
😔AAAAnd you called me lonely in 800 ways😂😂😂😂
How do i find someone like you?😂😂😂
I love this 🥺❤️
And Incels says that "wEmEn ☕" can't support seeing a man happy.. Whatever, I wish the best for you and him ♥️
@@Miner_20 there are lots of girls who love videogames and watching people play. it’s not that rare lol just go out and talk to em!
I really like how you touched on frustration vs. reward. I am nearly 40, and have been playing video games since my dawn of time - and I cannot stress enough how I refuse to spend my little amounts of free time being frustrated just for the nugget of satisfaction when overcoming it. I find myself now turning down difficulties to the bare minimum in most cases, or find the sweet spot that is the littlest amount of frustration without being trivial. I've had friends tease me about it, like I'm less of a gamer. I've paid my anger/frustration dues to the game gods in the past. But not every player, even long time gamers, need or even want blistering difficulty. You hit the nail right on the head with that point.
Same.
It's dad gaming, and it's a perfectly acceptable way to play. I play a lot of Destiny 2, and we joke about how some weapons are "dad guns" because they're 1) easy to get, 2) easy to use, 3) have no complicated gimmicks, and 4) are really good at their intended role. Lots of games have games within themselves, whether it's finding all the collectibles, doing all the challenges, finding the best gear, or optimizing your loadouts. If you don't have a lot of time to play, I can see why it'd be frustrating to have to play a nested game before you're even capable of playing what you originally intended.
Yup. I’ve played my whole life and the level of difficulty I’m willing to deal with is directly proportional to the amount of real life stress. Sometimes I really want to grind through tough fights or dungeons and sometimes I just want to go fishing in RDR2. That’s also the beauty of modern gaming. I can do all of it and have fun and anyone who critiques how people play is always odd to me.
"and I cannot stress enough how I refuse to spend my little amounts of free time being frustrated just for the nugget of satisfaction when overcoming it" This is honestly why I don't enjoy playing hard games, especially with the myriad of choices available now. I'd much rather play an easy game that made me feel powerful than a frustrating game.
As an 18 year old gamer that could oly start at 10 years old due to not having strong devices i learned that watching the game i play on yt made it 10 times easyer this is funny bc rn if i find smt dificult ill just look it up... quite funny how this works
"She started to think the bags of gold were enemies and avoided them." That's oddly adorable.
yea. tbh it reminds me of the dumb stuff I used to believe in as well and then years later a friend would say something I would just feel my whole world crumble.
How... Sincere of her.
I want to make a game now where normal things for gamers are switched, so fearing picking up gold is supported and attacking seemingly aggressive enemies is not. Like have the gold weigh you down for proper jumps or something and the mobs instead heal you or give you support. If someone else wants to try to make it, thats fine, but I don't think anyone knows all of the details I have in my head are.
@@Draktharm I think the "don't attack seemingly aggressive enemies" was already done by Undertale. Of course, there's always a way to add a new twist to it. The fear of picking up gold could be interesting as it plays on an often underrated mechanic: currency being hoarded.
@wherethetatosat Good point, really. Thats something to really keep in mind. Like, most games have no kind of crypto currency and no way can some random guy carry several pounds of gold or other coin currency. Ive also never played Undertale so I didnt know that was already a thing with the mobs being potentially peaceful.
I never believed in the concept of marriage until you showed me that their main purpose is to run social experiments on them. Thanks for the advice man.
For better or for worse, in sickness and in health, in the control group or in the experimental group...
@Winston Smith is your name a reference to 1984
@@charlesludwig3941 yes
I don't want to be 667. He's a 👍 instead.
@@funnyusername8635 underrated comment
Big fan of this series. My wife of 14 years never really played video games growing up… She had an N64 with star wars pod racers, and Mario cart. So that was the extent of her gaming knowledge. When we were in high school and dating, The first game she saw me playing and expressed interest was RuneScape. I showed her some basics… And went home… Kinda forgot about it… but learned that she had been grinding the one thing it taught her… wood cutting… while doing her homework every day… Before I knew it.. she had 99 woodcutting as a level 3 combat player… She had never fought anything… or trained any other skills. Just collected 13 million exp in woodcutting over the course of months.. without exploring her other options.
What the heck. That's both adorable and disturbing.
damn. I'm only lvl 60.
certified wood cutter
You married a Beaver.
this is fucking gold oh my god. love her
This is such a good watch for anybody who doesnt understand what goes on in people's minds as theyre playing. Learning the wrong things section was an eye opener. I hope developers see this and learn from it.
No bro. A cooking recipe for a complicated dish should not explain to you what diced or Julienne means. If you're trying a big boy recipe then you should already know those terms. Same with games. Absolutely there should be accessible and easy games for people to enjoy. But stay the F away from my 2 hour prep time recipe if you're still wanting to make scrambled eggs. I do not want my hand held in a Dark Souls game and people appreciate those games for the lack of hand holding.
@@toknowwhyuneed3593 obv
Him: "Here, this is Portal. Let's play it!" Her: "ok..." Her: *doesn't use the mouse* Him, furiously scribbling notes: "Mmhm... Fascinating."
Her: This is kinda hard... Him: But think of the cake we can enjoy after these experiments
Glad she got to play DOOM too, everyone should enjoy the feeling of being the terror that everyone *ELSE* is locked in a room with, it's so much fun
@@UNSCPILOT have you played warframe??
@@darer13 MM, now there is a movement system on another level, and yeah, I have around 3500 hours in Warframe XD
@@UNSCPILOT Damn. Im burnt out on 1400 hours :/
“I was a silent observer” Me: How do i attain such power?
Ikr. Without laughing or dying from cringe hence why resl gamers are single virgins
Not from a Jedi
itsJustpickle backseat gaming is not hard to deal with, but.. when the player really sucks you can’t help yourself At ALL
Find a woman that will live with you.
@@mexican-americanmale3035 Hmm, that might actually work.
You should have her play breath of the wild. So much of my enjoyment from that game was just having an idea and the game actually allowing me to do it. I feel like she’d enjoy it
18:15 - 18:25 that little quote is not only very true for gaming but it also DEFINES my life as a skateboarder. When kids who want to skate ask me about it, I tell them right out, its extreamly hard and its gonna take a long time and a lot determination, dedication, and practice. Spending hours every day, hitting your shins and falling for that sweet sweet few seconds where you nail your trick and ride away is the greatest feeling in the world, but some people cant understand why I put my body through the pain and torture for a trick on a piece of wood and wheels. That feeling is worth every second, every drop of blood, sweat, and sometimes tears. Ive been skateboarding and playing video games for over 20 years now and they're my 2 greatest passions.
His wife: I fear no enemy but that bag of gold...it scares me
Lmfao
Lol
Truee
He really made the poor woman play Dark Souls
Dark Souls is actually not a bad one. That game’s controls are so against the norm it’s...brrr... So someone who is smart and didn’t actually have a good grasp or expectations...might do well..
I even don’t play dark souls for the unnecessary difficulty (i know it’s the point of the game)
@@OtherHarmony I feel like the difficulty is more of a result of the game rather than the main point. Idk I played dark souls for the first time recently and exploring the world, meeting npcs, piecing together lore from item descriptions, etc. was far more interesting than the slight difficulty
@@lozip3290 maybe i just need to git gud lmao
And they didnt go through a divorce after it :D Dude is really brave :D
This perfectly articulated my experiences with gaming! I've been playing since I was a kid, but always very casually. As an only child I never realized how...slow I was as a gamer until years later when I would play co op with friends in high school and they got so frustrated with how bad I was. I never had siblings around to explain certain mechanics to me and I was perfectly content spending several hours on like the first level of a game as a child.
That's awesome lol
This really reminds me of the things i've lost in gaming, ironically, by gaming too much. The wonder of experiencing games for the first time, and the satisfaction of figuring it out. I'm now so savvy with gaming as a whole that like he said within 5 minutes i generally have it figured out, if not pretty much mastered depending on difficulty. That sense of satisfaction and wonder is yet another thing i wish i could experience again via experiencing gaming for the first time again... i say only because of gaming for the first time again cause if a game just came out with a TOTALLY different control scheme i'd be mad not satisfied lol
That reminds me of my sister. She normally doesn't play video games and when she tested a pokemon game, she walked back to her mom's house every 30-60 minutes, so her mother doesn't feel lonely
😶
Aww
@@hpsmash77 same
AWWWW
Dude! Even my cousin's kid did the same!! she was 7 years old when she played emerald; her first pokemon game.
Wife: "Hey can I try playing that one ga-" Raz: "I've been waiting for this moment my entire life"
ur profile pic got me lol
@@seaturtle7818 I'm on dark mode they can't fool me
Your profile pic is evil
@@arnebeer962 HA, TN panel plebs
A long time ago when The Xbox original came out my mom was someone interested in playing a game that I played a lot so I broke out my PS2 instead and I plugged it in and put in kingdom hearts because my mom was interested in playing that game specifically and when she went through the Tutorial she wasn’t convinced that she likes the game because she doesn’t understand it LOL so I took it from her hands and start playing it and let her watch and she’s like OK well I’m done with this LOL
Coming from a female who has recently gotten into games and doesn’t really have someone to teach me how, These videos are so relatable and I always feel frustrated but very accomplished once I figure out how to do something. These videos are very encouraging 😂
Out of curiosity, what games do you like that you've discovered over the last year? What types of games have you tried? You do NOT need to answer any of these questions, feel free to ignore this comment.
@@Mac_Omegalyimagine... "ELDEN RING"🤣😂
@@Miner_20 well that is a very frustrating accomplishment to learn by jumping into the deep end of Elden Ring.
Keep in mind that modern games are far more convoluted and complex than they used to be in the 80s and 90s. It's not really a skill issue but an experience issue. Most gamers like me have palyed games since the 80s and 90s so we gradually improved and evolved alongside games. It's not difficult to get into modern games when you started with basic games and only really had to learn one or two new tricks per game. You have to learn it all form scratch. my advice to make it more enjoyable and less frustrating is to use guides (aka walkthroughs) an consult forums and look up information on KZhead. There is no shame in it. Even many experience gamers do so to not have to waste too much time with certain tasks. Walkthroughs are the best in my opinion. though.
This is a beautiful video. The ending in particular (19:34) was very sweet. After 20 minutes of hearing all about her intense frustration and isolation, seeing that communal experience you mention earlier, where you offer a helping hand and she enjoys the game better for it, that little blessed moment of joy in discovery, actually made me tear up a little.
Do you know what game that is at the end?
“Will you take this woman to be your lawfully wedded lady you live with?”
“Yeah I guess”
You are now married even though you just want their money Congrats
mythical gaming what...? Lol
HAHAHAHAHHAHAHhaa
mythical gaming what
"Once she did get inside she was far more interested in picking up everything rather than moving forward" Oh so she does know how to play Skyrim
You are carrying too much to be able to run. Tgm
This woman is incredible honestly. When I first started playing games I would shut it off when my boyfriend got home because I didn't want him giving me pointers but worse was the feeling that he was silently judging me when he didn't say anything. She has the fortitude of steel to go through this much less seemingly gleeful 🥰 by the time skyrim came out I was pretty experienced and I still grabbed everything in sight just to drop it all to loot weapons lol
i remember when i first played skyrim, it was my ex boyfriend's copy. he and my best friend were staying the night, and they both had fallen asleep on the couches behind me - meanwhile, i was up well past 5AM (it was the last time i consciously checked the clock), completely enamored by this game and just learning it. when i woke up later in the day, i learned that my ex had tried to 'help' me by dropping/selling all the stuff and junk i had picked up, including some tongs, which, for some reason i remember very clearly, i wanted to keep them in a chest 😂 its been 10 years and i still remember picking everything up! 😜
Most common line uttered by a Skyrim player "Where the fuck'd I get this damn thing?
My husband won’t play Skyrim with me watching because I’m always like “ooh-there’s something over there on the left! You missed a coin! Turn around, it was back there!” He’d rather kill all the draugr and then just hand me the controller so I can go loot everything
Hi Raz! Fun fact, I'm currently following a course on utilising video games for research at my university, and they linked this video as a watching assignment. My lecturer has great taste hahaha
I'm an avid gamer but I'm so falbbergasted that you can sprint in Super Mario Bros? Like why did I never knew that?
"Ive never played video games before." "Start with Dark Souls."
"I don't know how to read" *Here's the whole ass Constitution, go nuts*.
"I don't know how to write" *Write 30 pages about it*
Am I a horrible person for thinking about getting someone to do this
You monster🤣
Jake_from_Statefarm but the Constitution is only 4,543 words. That’s like 9 pages on a Word document
"she was more interested in picking up everything she saw instead of moving forward" ONE OF US. ONE OF US. ONE OF US. ONE OF US. ONE OF US. ONE OF US. ONE OF US. ONE OF US. ONE OF US. ONE OF US. ONE OF US. ONE OF US. ONE OF US. ONE OF US. ONE OF US. ONE OF US. ONE OF US. ONE OF US. ONE OF US. ONE OF US. ONE OF US. ONE OF US.
Honestly, that was the most gamer thing she did all video
ONE OF US. ONE OF US. ONE OF US. ONE OF US. ONE OF US. ONE OF US. ONE OF US. ONE OF US. ONE OF US. ONE OF US. ONE OF US. ONE OF US. ONE OF US. ٩(^ᴗ^)۶
I'd rather die than miss an item in dark souls ;D
In Skyrim I go through EVERYTHING I CANT MISS IT
I will slowly walk to the nearest settlement in Fallout 4, rather than drop anything. 😅 I'm a bit minimalist irl, but a hoarder in Bethesda/Obsidian.
Thank you so much for this video! As someone who has always been friends with gamers, but didn't start playing until recently in my mid thirties, I have always struggled with communicating with them about why I am *not* a gamer and have such a hard time with them. This seriously encompasses so many of my issues! Sending it to all my friends immediately lol
I absolutely loved this! This meant alot to me as someone who actively enjoys looking at the different ways things can be portrayed by our minds, and the difference in perspectives that come about from it
There’s something quite funny to me about forcing someone to play Portal as an experiment.
So meta.
An experiment within an experiment. EXPERICEPTION.
Now reading that comment actually i want to try that.
hahaha very good observation.
it's called irony :P
This is basically like learning to drive a car, without an instructor.
Fill tank with [Liquid] Stole tank and sunk it instead
No
Yes
So basically how most people learn how to drive
@@radioreaper89 basically most people HAVE an instructor who is not just a silent observer but actually HELPS them
This was extremely amusing and extremely educational. Loved watching it!
This video and/or your channel in general is so valuable to me... Since it's the internet, there are probably a ton more, but you definitely are the poster child. While your patient wife and her willingness to tap into a huge yet unknown-to-her subject is a huge part, your Videos are important for gaming as a whole..it fills a necessary gap that only grows when something gets too big... Like the gaming industry
"In Skyrim, as Alduin began attacking the city, she found a spot in a house and figured she'd just wait it out until he left." That's genuinely the cutest thing i've heard in a long time hahaha.
Right? lmao
To be fair, I also got lost at that first part in Skyrim, I somehow didn't know that I was suppose to follow him and just wandered around until I found him randomly.
I wonder if this is a "girl" way to handle it. An old girlfriend of mine wanted to try out skyrim because I was binging it at the time. She didn't really play video games except Pokémon. She did the exact same thing. She got to the house and hid in it for a bit, until I explained to her that hiding wouldn't work
I’ve thought to do the very same thing! Why is this not a legitimate solution??
I did the exact same thing ! xD
This is like listening to a guy talking about training artificial intelligence.
Lmfaoooo
Code Bullet
Machine learning is way more boring than this
It...is teaching. Soooo yah, I suppose it applies.
Damn I kinda feel bad for her
Really really great quality video. I don't usually comment any videos but I loved this one so I had to. It has purpose, development, holds my interest and most of all brings a new way for me (a videogame player) to understand how people don't find games fascinating as I (or, I guess, "as we") do. Thanks for the content
I’ve been playing games for ~40 years and I still share some of her frustrations. Especially the “why can’t I do that” ones like in Uncharted. That kind of stuff can drive me nuts. It’s most frustrating when games break their own internal logic for some story or surprise reason. Great video.
Wife: ”Could you help me play a wholesome video game?” Husband: “Let me study you for an investigation piece on the psychology of a noob!”
"And I will be calling you Lady who lives with me"
Vlad Prus Also Priest: “I now pronounce you gentleman you live with and lady you live with!”
@@vaporfarts OR - and hear me out here - it could just be a joke.
Is no one gonna mention that Hollow Knight is kind of horrifying and not just a wholesome video game
@@Substitute_Zero It's definitely not wholesome but the aesthetic is cute and she didn't get anywhere near far enough for it to stop being cute
Man, you must have a lot of willpower to be “just an observer”
Should have had her play Breath of the Wild
@@hrsmp Why would you go there and ruin my wholesome feeling yo =(
I know right I'm like the worst back seat driver i get soooooo overly excited and it always frazzles new players 🤣
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I dislike backseat gamers. But when I played my brother's account in Siege, I realized I am the worst backseat gamer.
common knowledge in gaming that you take for granted, or predetermined path and limitations in games were always my interest! it is honestly very interesting knowing what behavior i have are affected by this common knowledges, and what is possible in non-gamers' eyes. amazing video!
What a GREAT video! Nice idea and execution. There is a lot to learn from this one. Thank you for the content!
damn this guy just did a whole lot of research for game developers, for free
exactly lol! referencing this in my school project right now.
I definitely saving this video for myself later
And all it cost was his marriage.
And this video will be roundly ignored by the whole industry.
@@grfrjiglstan what his wofe left him?
"And, to really test the strength of our marriage, Dark Souls." *instant like*
This man just did a gamble
Dark souls is gay
I went "Oh no!" Really loudly. It was instinctual grimace.
My partner would probably kill me if I just put that game in front of him without him knowing what is coming. He is a gamer but doesn't know a lot about all the kinds of games just the ones he is interested in so I could definitely trap him like this.
I spat out my tea.
god this was amazing to watch, a game designer wet dream lol. I also find this thing fascinating, and why the playtesting part of game dev is one of my favs. Like it's one thing to playtest with your demograph, but I find it's even better to get someone like your wife- who has no experience with video games. It can really dramatically change how you go about things and sometimes make it better for gamers, they see things differently and might be able to explain something that someone used to games can't. Outside perception is soooo valuable in more things than play testing lol, but yeah this was a treat.
Ive been gaming for a solid 20+years now. The points you made about misinterpreting information on-screen still happens to me at times. Same sort of things you said in this video were the same problems my gf had when she got into other games besides farming/city building games (animal crossing, cult of the lamb)
"and...Dark Souls" Me: **concern**
I feel isaac wouldve been a nightmare as well just because of the sheer number of items
I had hoped he would say Europa Universalis IV.
I was going to suggest Dead Space as the next game to try, but that is a better idea
Actually I think it would be easier to play dark souls for a person who doesn't play video games because the mind is blank in that aspect and she would suck in the information like a sponge. Compared to if she'd already played tons of action games and that would only get in the way when trying to learn a souls game mechanics
Yeah, despite admittedly trying different types and genres, all the games are arcade, dexterity based. Those games which rely on things other than quick reactions were omitted totally. Turn based strategies, RPGs, tycoons can very often attract attention of non-gamers who consider action games silly in a way many people consider action movies silly compared to more intelectual ones. Nice video, though!
I dont know why but it makes me feel physically uncomfortable to see her walk without using the mouse to look around. lol
Same for me on controller but my dad clicks the buttons so dang loud.
@@latoyabanks1685 i can hear the thumbsticks
YES
@@latoyabanks1685 I can hear the clicking of the joysticks smacking to the sides....
it was so infuriating lol but i understand why.
This video made me understand that I need to stop making fun of my girlfriend for struggling in games thanks you man
This was put together so well!
So when she was confused about what to do, she would try to solve the problem realistically whereas a gamer would be trying to find out what the game wanted the player to do. God bless your wife's optimism! :D
I've been playing computer games since the early 80s, and I'm *so* with his wife. I could rant for ages about crap like the bit about trying to swing into the train car window in Uncharted 2. (Never played any Uncharted part since I'm not a console gamer).
That's not called optimism
@ Have you ever played Resident Evil 5? In the temple stage, where you have to pull on the ropes connected to statues to trigger staircases and such to appear, there are two statues really close to each other but they're blocked with stone debris that's about 1 foot high. Sheva had to run around the whole thing to get to it. There needs to be a parody video game with a pencil or paper clips "blocking" an exit or something. Maybe you'd need a magnet to remove them so that you can escape.
@mlg noob but when you haven't played a lot of video games. The "game's logic" can be hard to understand... So you use one you know best "real life's logic"! That's just being human!
@mlg noob I mean, the title says "non-gamer" for a reason
I respect the fact that she still tried her best even though she wasn’t familiar to the games
That, and I also respect the fact that she's still married to him 😂
The visual design was probably appealing as well. Hollow Knight is one of my son's favorite games, and the gameplay and visual design play equal roles in that assessment.
Seems like normal behavior why make a big deal out of it?
@@Travis_DeGee who made a big deal out of anything...?
@@djinni2005 I just think everyone would try their best that's all
“I can’t think back into my life where I wasn’t interested in games” hit way too home that I suddenly started to think back to my first memories as bay-bee
WOW great video ! It made me put into perspective most of my experience with video games, and how I'm fluent in video game language. I remember my dad reading the manuals in video games box before playing, as I always just wanted to discover and experiment the game mecanics myself. How looking at a new game HUD and knowing what most of the stuff there means.
So this is why games tell you how to look around in the tutorials
That's one reason. In Psychonauts you are told to look around so the game knows how to calibrate the controls. I had to restart though, because when told to look up my first instinct was to look down, and then everything was backwards.
Hell you have to do it during the start of every Halo Campaign
@@davidwuhrer6704 LMFAO
Dude's wife: "I want to participate in your interests." Dude: "I'm going to make this as painful as possible for the both of us." Dude's wife: "... ... ...ok." love
And she follows through with it for multiple games a decent way through True love
That's what love is.
"""""love"""""
Lady dude lives with*
It's also worth noting that the beginning tutorials are usually the worst and most painful parts of any given game.
This was very entertaining to watch. It blew my mind to think about all of the things that i know to do just because ive grown up learning them
I just wanted to pop in to say that this is honestly one of the best KZhead videos I've seen, not just on the subject of gaming, but in general. I saw it when it first came out, but I still come back to it, again and again, years later. I recommend it to friends. I recommend it in the comment sections of other videos, (most recently, when someone was claiming that video games are a more accessible version of story-based-media than reading, because of the level of required functional literacy. I used this video of a reference to how video games actually require more than one type of functional literacy, both in whatever language you speak, but in the language of games themselves.) Hell, I've even used it as a resource on a large project back in University. It's informative, entertaining, cohesive, and well explained.
Wife: Can I try that cute ghost game? Razbuten: Sure! While we're at it wanna try D A R K S O U L S
I've seen people call Hollow Knight the dark souls of platformers, so by some reference it's not too far off xD
@@convenientlamppost8914 This is just my perception but i found Blasphemous harder than Hollow Knight.
I'm all about cute and chill games, and my husband had me try dark souls, lol I can see where the appeal for the game is, but definitely not for me!
Don’t compare hollow knight to dark souls. Isn’t this like the first rule of judging games???
I just made it 666 likes. You're welcome.
"She never realized she had the ability to dash" YOU CAN DASH?
By dash he means Sprint or Run...
lol
I felt the same way
same
*DASH DASH DASH*
fantastic video, i usually get bored after 7 minutes in youtube but this one was made extremely well, great job
This is so interesting, seeing all of the conventions and shorthand that we’ve ingrained over decades (I’m old) laid bare like this. Also props to both of you, because this must have been painful.
testing marriage with dark souls turned his wife into "lady i live with"
Yeah that was funny
Damn yeah lmfaoo
Trollolol good one
Wonder why he didnt test it with something a bit more unforgiving! Such as forcing your significant other to eat crickets or something Also do something nice for her afterwards, just for putting up with that nightmare
777 likes so i wont mess it up
Giving a none gamer Dark Souls is literally pure evil.
Henry The Cocaine-Sampler “It’s just a bunch of trial and error” that’s literally what makes it hard, you have to learn strategies, and if you have to cheese it then you obviously found it hard
Henry The Cocaine-Sampler If you found it tedious than it might not be the game for you.
Henry The Cocaine-Sampler I’m sure that they’re sad they won’t get you’re $30 added to their millions of $ already in they’re account
@Henry The Cocaine-Sampler how was that comment trolling? they were simply stating the truth, the joke was obvious and it flew over your head because your brain didn't have the ability to process and understand it. also u assumed someone that doesn't play video games wouldn't have a hard time playing dark souls, yea its not that hard to a gamer that knows how to play games but to someone who has never played them b4 dark souls would be one of the hardest games in the world to them. I gotta say though to the op there are allot of harder games out there that would of been way more evil to make her play than dark souls trust me
@Henry The Cocaine-Sampler Maybe that's why your brain can't process and understand simply obvious jokes.
I really enjoyed this analysis. This happens to me with certain games. I would love more videos like this to improve my game play.
This is the first video of urs I've seen very interesting alot of game devs should see this
It’s kinda crazy how all of us have the muscle memory to move and look around at the same time Ingrained into us
I hope this is true. I grew up in the 80s and learned video games pretty around the same time I learned to read. I started with original Atari console and moved up through the consoles to the original Playstation at which point I pretty much quit. Over the years since then, I've tried getting back into games here and there, but I feel very uncoordinated - way worse than riding a bike again (which was actually even longer that I didn't ride one). FPS , racing and sports games are basically unplayable to me these days. I mostly only enjoy strategy games nowadays, but it would be nice to play the other types without feeling like a total idiot.
It’s so weird watching my sister or my mom try videogames and not understand how to look around and walk at the same time. I’ll say “use this stick to look around” and they’ll use it so blocky if that makes sense.
@@lesgrossman6332 frr
Like a gamers instinct
@@danieltemelkovski9828 I’m sure if you took some time everyday to play games or even just a few times a week you could easily get it down Goodluck man
Picking up everything that isn't nailed down, the universal Skyrim experience
"I'm sure the day will come when I need 150 wheels of cheese"
@@janesmith1840 "im sure ill need 500 goblets at some point..."
I think i would need that 100kg of flour to eat later
Cécile Muller lmfao true
@@korvincarry3268 what if you have to host 1000 people? better find another 500
You came up with a very good video idea. Loved it
What a cool video. I always try and get friend and family to try the things I love and they just can’t figure it out. This is a great in-depth guide on how not to treat a newbie and just let them experience and experience
"I thought games were cooler" Now I feel personally attacked, lol
I know right.... If she plays for a while longer, games can be damn cool~ especialy if you got the right ones
you don't have to feel attacked because someone doesn't understand how to fully enjoy a game. remember people have different tastes dude
@@hime6830 its not about tastes here. It more about not understanding it or being fully able to comprehend it.
But I completely get what she means. She had the bad ass idea to swing from the Branch through the window, into the Train in Uncharted. That's a really cool idea. Game said no. She had the idea to physically move a Red Barrel to her Objective and blow the bastard up. Game said no. In those moments, when she had really cool ideas that would have worked just fine IRL, she couldn't do them in a Game. That diminished the coolness factor of the game, and even after finding something else cool the game allows later, you still think back to the things that were cool that you weren't allowed to do. Don't get me wrong, I love games. Games, well made games that is, are AMAZING. Large part of my life. But over the years we've learned to dampen our own expectations and to let certain shortcomings slide, partially because we understand that creating games isn't easy, requires manpower, hours and lots of skill... they can't do everything perfectly, it simply isn't possible. So we just accept it, and embrace the cool things we are allowed to do. For someone coming from outside, I can see how that would be disappointing.
@@theclimbto1 because games like uncharted are shit games. Cool on-rails "experiences", but shit games. She'd probably like something like dark messiah, a not shit game.
"And so I can really test the strength of my marriage, dark souls" You want to get a divorce dont you
You want a divorce? Because that's how you get a divorce.
It should've been Mario Party, lol!
I think....skyrim or fallout with mods (e.g. loverslab) have more risk of causing conflict outside gameplay
Naw, thats Mario Kart
Somehow finding this now, four years after you posted it, but it still registers. I'm proficient in certain things but level zero in video games. I just never took an interest after Doom and some 90s star wars game. I really appreciate your insight on all this. Happy to share it with others.
epic video, ngl i would love to watch more content like this
Non gamer: "I'm being given too much information." *Sees her playing DARK SOULS* Me: Oh...
Meminist Asshole woah dude you’re a cool gamer
You're missing the most important part of the sentence. It's too much information too quick.
what hes getting at is the fact that the game actually tells u jack fucking shit
Even after playing previous dark souls games, playing one you haven't without being glued to your phone guide is hell. AKA -Walk up to mysterious figure crouched and mumbling. -See message, "Friend Ahead" -Walk up to friend and as it spins around, rips its own spine out as a scythe and your 'friend' *eats* your head. GG...
yes and she played it and survived the tutorial?
“Her moveset was wider than she thought” *immediately misses the jump pad and dies*
Oof
Relatable
I mean, that's how she learned the moveset so I say that's entirely realistic haha
You're funny I like funny Also that last clip with the commentary got me smilin so ty
Shoutout to your wife and her patience and persistence with your experiment. She's the real MVP!
A straight up saint.
My future ulcer does not want me to try Celeste. Dark souls 3 made me ask my doc for stomach acid pills lmao
She's the only player
The 2nd MVP is raz himself, it must've been torture having to watch her fail so many times wuthout tell her the answer
@@Venomonomonom I've beaten both, and I think I had a more stressful time overall with DS3. You got this.
One of the biggest signs someone doesn’t play games is how they move and how the camera moves. If the movement is very janky they don’t have much experience
i had two friends who didnt understand that concept. one was a gamer, we played wwe together. a yr later, met his brother online. we played cod zombies. my friend decided to play and his brother gave him the controller. he didnt understand the basic character camera movement. i told him what to do. he didnt understand. brother grabbed the controller and just played. watched another friend play cod at my house. same camera concept. my brother took his controller, and well annihilated everyone. honestly anyone who doesnt understand that basic concept shouldnt be playing or just needs to evolve and adapt to new gaming.
yeah somehow its very difficult for inexperienced players to grasp the 2 joystick control scheme, whre one is for movement and the other for camera direction.
The thing is i usually plays mobile,so having a new control makes my movement janky even tho the game that i plays is in phone aswell
@@Nightknight1992 true , i am still baffled at how some people cannot make the connection between the 2... i told a friend , right is always for walking , left is for watching 🙂
@@lilsabin u mean the opppsite?
This video is the answer to a question I didn't know I had. More interesting than I was expecting! 😅
Stumbled upon this Today, and just wanted to say I found the video wholesome and interesting. I know it's a long time after the fact, but thought I'd leave my opinion here. Having a 6 year old son now starting to gain interest in gaming, specifically Minecraft at this stage, I think your comment about picking it up at a young age is probably the most accurate explanation on gamer psychology. He simply accepts limitations or explanations like "That's just not how the game works" much quicker than an adult would. As you've mentioned, he also has someone answering questions and guiding him in his journey. My earliest memories of gaming was playing Super Mario on the NES at around his age. I don't remember my parents really participating or teaching me as much, but as you said I was happy to sink hours into fumbling around and learning the systems just like my son does Today with modern games. I think that ultimately shapes gamer psychology. Anyway, thank you and (more importantly) your partner for the video. It was a good watch even 4 years later :)
"If you don't know how to read, why would you pick up a book?" - This is a fantastic analogy. It's not the writer's job to teach you how to read. They'll teach you to follow their story by gradually introducing characters and plot elements, but they assume you already know how to read. Same for game developers. They'll explain the basics of their game's mechanics, but they expect you to already know how games work in general. I don't think any game will teach you what a quest marker is or explain the purpose of a mana bar. Unfortunately this means non-gamers really need someone to help them learn to play games. They could try on their own, but most adults don't really have the free time or the patience that children do when learning to play games, so they'll likely just give up if they struggle by themselves.
Maybe someone should make a game like this. Pack in tutorials of all the basics and then work it into an interesting story that uses most or all of these mechanics.
@@animeking1357 I might know one like this. It's called Spore (if you play your DNA points right).
@@alexhartline5707 I never read them much but maybe games should include manuals again. I know some games have digital manuals but I feel those are probably ignored even more.
It would be difficult to program this and have it play out in a way that isn't cumbersome for experienced players.
I started realizing how true this is recently. After graduating college and starting to work full time, your time is so much more limited. I love playing games still, but I find myself being somewhat reluctant to try new genres or even new games that I know have complex systems. The more complex a game is the more time it takes to learn it and become good at it. So, most of the time I'll just play online games I already know how to play, or do another play through of Dark Souls or something. I'm starting to get pretty fed up with games just trying to take up a bunch of time by adding a lot of unnecessary mechanics, exploration, and/or crafting. I bet this makes them even more overwhelming for newcomers to gaming.
"to test the strength of my marriage, Dark Souls". You owe me a keyboard man. Much coffee on it.
What is it with people and spilling stuff on their keyboard? if you think you're easily amused then maybe don't eat or drink in front of your PC? Just a thought.
@@enkryptron Idk sometimes you just want a cup of coffee. If you spill some coffee on your couch it sucks, but it doesn't stop you from doing it right? Same goes for the computer.
@@enkryptron it's a joke mate, chill out
Enkryptron I spilled tea on my keyboard…and I was in the other room
@@enkryptron r/woooosh
Good on you for having patience in the experiment without wanting to just intervene with every mistake. I dont have that kind of patience.
Very interesting video ! Thanks a lot, good job :)
"The lady that I live with, also called my wife...." 😂
"The kid that I live with, also called my child"
"The care taker I live with, also called my Mom"
"The thickboi that I live with, also called my dog"
“The flying thing I live with also called my bird”
I think there is a deeper meaning to this that only a married man would understand.
"The lady I live with" Sounds like the man with the yellow hat
This is my favorite comment about that choice of title so far. Good on ya
Haha. I used to watch that show every day
That's cause he is the man in the yellow hat
curious Raz
I would have loved to see her pmayinf Red Dead 2. This is the only video ive watched on youtube from beginning to end in months. I really enjoyed it the fun lighthearted video theme. thanks!
I'm definitely gonna do that with my wife, too. This is entertaining af and maybe even a good way for us to bond further. She's not a complete noob, since she used to game in her youth with her younger sister, but my wife never played anything but old FPSs and Tomb Raider on the original PS. After we moved together and she saw that I had Tomb Raider on the Wii she was excited to give it a try... not knowing that the Wii version due to motion controls had no lock-on feature and so she struggled enormously with the very first bat enemies, since she wasn't used to aim with the controller xD she had fun anyway
"She had camera issues on e.g. Dark Souls" ...that's not entirely a non-gamer-issue
I'm glad Skyrim told me at the beginning to use the mouse to move the camera, because I don't know if I'd have thought of it myself.
Playing Prepare to Die edition, the mouse camera is so unsmooth when you barely move it its awful
Automatic cameras don’t discriminate; they make everyone suffer deep pain and agony-
Sleeping Dogs
As someone who's been playing video games all my life, I found Dark Souls method of conveying gameplay moves jarring. It took me out of the experience and _was_ way too much information all at once. Poor game design if you ask me.
Should have let her play assassin's creed so she could climb everything.
I’d like to see her try Star Ocean: until the end of time, you will need a strategy guide opened up at all times if you don’t want to miss any private actions or treasures.
Breath of the wild would also be a good choice because you can climb most things and the game also allows you and encourages you to be creative in the way you solve puzzles.
Or infamous
@@PeepoFrog I absolutely with your suggestion of BOTW when it comes to exploration, but the puzzles are kinda bad, lol..that being said, they're bad to me, so I couldn't speak for her. Maybe it would be a good idea to let her BOTW for the puzzles, because they're not overly difficult.
i just imagined a random woman climbing a building
i watched this for the first time 3 years ago and i just wanna say this changed my life thank u
this is really interesting, I have a mom who has always claimed to not be a video gamey person but I have always argued it's just because she didn't have early exposure. I think a lot like my mom and I'm not super interested in gaming but I do have this built-in logic of what and how to do things in video games. and I also see my aunt who grew up in the same household as my mom one of the only differences was that my aunt had early exposure to video games and gamed frequently with friends. Your video perfectly explained why my mom might get more frustrated or comprehend less when trying to game