A real world review of the CF Moto 800 MT Adventure Bike
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I don't think there is any question that, like it or not, the Chinese are coming and the Japanese and European brands need to start taking the threat seriously by offering more for your money than they currently do.
@Grumpy-GoblinАй бұрын
A lot of these so called European & Japanese brands have been ,obtaining components , engines & even having full motorcycles built in Chinese factory’s for some time now .
@maskedavenger2578Ай бұрын
Chinese bikes are only coming if somebody buys them which I for one will never do partly because there rubbish and secondly why would you fund a country that at some point we will end up being at war with when the Taiwan war starts.
@terrybrooks7140Ай бұрын
@terrybrooks7140 How do you know they are “rubbish” where is your evidence to support such a sweeping statement? And as for the “at war” issues had you completely forgotten that Japanese made bikes took a hold in this country just 20-25 years after we had been at war with THEM that being an actual war that took place not the one you imagine might happen….you should check your history my friend and also support your criticisms with some actual facts
@thebingleywheelerАй бұрын
I've worked on Chinese cars and bike's and been in the motor trade for 45 years so I think I'm coming from a vast amount of experience which you don't have and yes the war may not come fingers crossed but open your eyes and look at what China's been doing in Hong Kong etc
@terrybrooks7140Ай бұрын
@terrybrooks7140 what is your specific experience with the CF Moto 800 which justifies your comments? I’m sure people will want to know
@thebingleywheelerАй бұрын
Very nice and well priced at £9200 on the road with full luggage according to CF Moto website puts its competitors to shame 🤔. Good intensive review thanks 👍
@lestersmyth692Ай бұрын
Hi Dave, it was easy to tell that you liked this bike with such a comprehensive review, a true ambassador for the product and indeed Appleyards. There is still a stigma attached to Chinese products in general but it has to be said that some of the worlds most respected products emanate from there. Andy.
@Andy_BatАй бұрын
Yes Andy stigma aside they are great bikes to behold and to ride
@thebingleywheelerАй бұрын
Looks like excellent value. My only concern is the lack of dealerships in the UK 😢
@richardgiles2484Ай бұрын
I recall the Japanese motorcycle invasion how they were despised by the diehard British bike dealers and riders 🤔
@lestersmyth692Ай бұрын
Exactly 👍🏻
@thebingleywheelerАй бұрын
Nice review, Dave! Yes, they are a nice-looking bike and are good value for money. I tried one here in West Oz last year but found that the weight was an issue for me, as I'm now 78 yo. The weight is centred quite high and for me I found that, at a standstill, anything over a couple of degrees past the vertical and the bike wanted to lie down. Whilst I can just about manage to pick it up now, in another couple of year or so's time, I very much doubt that I'd be able to do that. So, not for me.
@chrisweeks6973Ай бұрын
A good balanced review. New dealers have arrived and these bikes are selling well.
@richardredding9632Ай бұрын
Adventure bikes are the product of marketing genius, the truth is they are neither any good on or off road, Kawasaki, Suzuki and BMW sport tourers will annihilate them on the road with the same amount of comfort.
@andrewfletcher9559Ай бұрын
An established dealer has now popped up only 35 miles from me - a nice country backroads ride there and back.
@RichardS-qh8miКүн бұрын
Hi Dave, really like the gentle vibe to your videos. Please be safe and lucky, of course. There's always another bike to long for. Damn it!!
@ruthessuАй бұрын
It’s an addiction I must shake off 😂
@thebingleywheelerАй бұрын
It's a lot of bike for the money and really eye catching too, there's something about spoked wheels, they look great on a Adventure bike and even better on the retro bikes. Spot on what you were saying about off road bikes, a 250/400 is more than enough, easy to pick up and you're not going to bawl your eyes out 😭when you drop it!! Smashing Video 👍
@Hinckley_BikerАй бұрын
im in Australia, iv haD A MT 800 for 2 years, no problems and a great bike, that handles surprisingly well, and has all the tech you could want, i also have a Multistrada Enduro, i bought the mt for a long outback trip, didnt want to trash my multi, it went perfect no issues except a rear brake sensor breaking inn a minor fall, id recommend them to anyone wanting an adv bike with a realistic price..
@JT-dk9eoАй бұрын
I am looking forward to the 450 version.
@DiveTrainerDanАй бұрын
LOVE MINE! I have the US Version which is the Ibex 800T. I've done a handful of mods like foot pegs, mirrors, removed the yellow stripes, different luggage racks, exhaust etc. Like you said its super comfortable on the highway... I've done simple gravel roads and will eventually do some forest roads here in Minnesota. Currently on 70/30 tires and may change them out for more 50/50 tire. Great bike for the money it really is.
@JasonRidesmotoАй бұрын
I recently changed my GS 1250 for the Explore version of this bike. I’m well happy rides well has everything you want and mine was a good deal with full luggage and a discount I got from the bike show. Worked out less than half the price of the GS 1300 I was going to have but being a pensioner you have to look after your money 4 year warranty and breakdown cover too. People think these are cheap Chinese bikes they are far from that they are well constructed cost effect bikes that are very capable. I’ve done several videos of my Explore version on my KZhead Channel if you want to see the difference between the Touring and the Explore Great review of the bike I’m sure this bike will be seen more and more on the roads this year
@ivanrushtonthelonewolfridesАй бұрын
Very well said and I’ll check out your channel 👍🏻
@thebingleywheelerАй бұрын
Been looking forward to this. Another fine review, Dave. As you are more than aware, this class of bike doesn't exactly push my buttons but, by heck, I really could be swayed by this particular machine. It really is the complete package and superb value. Handsome to boot, too. Bikes of this calibre will become more commonplace in due course, of that I'm sure. Of course, there'll still be detractors, diehards and doubters, with views unsavoury or otherwise. Fact is, as someone's already commented, 'they're coming'. Give them time. Nice one. 👍
@markfranks1329Ай бұрын
Thank you Mark I loved it
@thebingleywheelerАй бұрын
A nice comprehensive, enjoyable review TBW. This is the Chinese bike that looks to be the one that could "convert" a few sceptics. With it's KTM DNA and slightly above budget price I think it has a chance, it just needs more people to be able to see them in the wild or even in a few more show rooms the dealer network is too sparse at the moment 50 miles is my nearest (Unless I go into London) and they don't have a Demo. Shame, I'd be interested in taking a punt as it looks like Very good value
@barrydaly7174Ай бұрын
Well ? Bigley ,,, I own a CFMoto 650NK from new 2017ish 60,000km and still ridden every day to and from work . I also have an Interceptor ( Orange Crush ) 2022 Dec . 4,000km . I can see your feels on the build quality , feel and talk's are sorted . Thanks again one of the best bike channel on sc-rew /tube .
@BeanerdsАй бұрын
How's the interceptor?? I bought the classic 350
@bonjovi1354Ай бұрын
@@bonjovi1354 Love it , its a great bike with only a couple of things that took getting used to , like the foot peg position's they used to get in my way when putting my feet down but that's no problem anymore, I am used to it now .
@BeanerdsАй бұрын
Good Morning Dave , a brilliant review on this bike as you said for the money you can't beat it , but the 22 model with full luggage is such a snip , so take care & ride safe
@stevecoppin4278Ай бұрын
Cheers Steve it’s great value
@thebingleywheelerАй бұрын
To paraphrase Austin Vince, author of Mondo Enduro, inspiration for The Long Way Round etc. You really don't need a bike bigger than a DR 350 if you want to ride off road. You should be able to pick the bike up by yourself, injured and miles from any help. You don't need large metal panniers, the lower leading edge of these are often responsible for broken lower leg injuries when taking a tumble. The current fad for "Adventure" bikes is the equivalent to the SUV car thing. High up driving position, comfortable suspension reasonable power, what's not to like. Great for touring, Dakar Rally? Not so much.
@pw601Ай бұрын
My local dealership has these for £9,199 on the road with the full metal luggage pack thrown in for nowt!!! CF Moto clearly have confidence in their product with the standard 4 year warranty they give. In all it's a very tempting option ... I'm going to have to test ride one!!
@MotoGoatoАй бұрын
In the states the regular one with no luggage is msrp priced more than yours with all that 😢
@williamardenjr116Күн бұрын
Apparently the spoked wheels 🛞 have problems with leaking air, according to" Ozarks Backroads " John, who a great mechanic made a great video 📹 explaining all, he owns this bike and swears by it. Great motorcycle, great review 👍
@mikerider58Ай бұрын
Great informative video, as always. A fellow lady biker has had a CFmoto 700 for a while and she loves it....and she flies! I debated trying the 800 but went for the Transalp.
@janeharris9879Ай бұрын
I’ve not had the pleasure of the Transalp (not for want of trying) but it looks and sounds like a fine bike and of course Honda reliability…..and many thanks for the kind comment😊👍🏻
@thebingleywheelerАй бұрын
I love my transalp
@modgerАй бұрын
Lots of folks don't know CFMoto has been building engines for other manufacturers, such as BMW, for quite a while.
@jamesgeorge487416 сағат бұрын
Nice looking bike for an adventure plenty of good stuff really like the colour and wheels a lot for the money in comparison to other makes I see a center stand and it has the quick shifter which from what I understand you would have to pay extra for after a few months with KTM as CF Moto doesn't turn things of to get more money,😉 but the resale value would worry me I think even on a PCP were you could be well down at the 3 year point .Good review 👌👍
@crumblymal8479Ай бұрын
TFT looks very nice, Technology is good but sometimes you just need a little time to find the right menus. And you did a great job without the manual. Very nice review. Cheers
@kimetogoАй бұрын
The menu from the explorer is easier. It has more the android tablet feeling.
@geertwanten1841Ай бұрын
I'm aquainted with a man that owns a dealership in Easter Europe. He sells all Japanese brands, Indians, Triumph and Benelli. He stopped selling CF Moto's because of the horrible delivery times for parts. He had to keep people waiting for warranty work, and it was hurting his business too much, so he doesn't sell them anymore
@sergiutopor1291Ай бұрын
One tip: This Chinese factory doesn't like our threadlocker, so check your bolts.From experience..
@yan-jk1ti21 күн бұрын
Excellent review, I think it looks better than the KTM,as regards off-road, watch some videos of Chris birch riding KTM,890,1290s off road, it's amazing what they can do in the hand's off a former Enduro champion.
@kevinwestwood6668Ай бұрын
You sir are my new favourite motovlogger.😊
@OperationFoxley19441Ай бұрын
Thank you that’s very much appreciated 👍🏻😊
@thebingleywheelerАй бұрын
along with voge there is some new competition to the major brands on offer with great value for the money which we all need
@Richard-pe4cxАй бұрын
Would make a cracking secondhand buy at £3k next year!
@nikoscosmosАй бұрын
Consider what you paid for the bike depreciation would be less than the high end expensive bikes
@jackchristodoulou197Ай бұрын
@@stevedriver1376 In Australia they sell for around $14000 ride away with a 3 year warranty so probably after 3 years you could sell it for around $8000 so you lose $6000 go and buy a $38000 BMW GS1300 and sell it after 3 years I bet you lose more than $6000
@jackchristodoulou197Ай бұрын
I bought a year old suzuki v strom 650 xt with 2000 miles on for £6200. I ll stay with what I know is good. Many many 17 yr old v storms on the road. I’ll wager anything this wont compete. It seems Europe are on board faster than the uk on these Chinese bikes. Wake up Japanese. As for BmW £20k not a chance
@volt8684Ай бұрын
@@volt8684Suzuki Honda ,Yamaha & many more well known motorcycle manufacturers ,have been sourcing components ,& having full engines & even whole motorcycles manufactured in Chinese factories ,for a considerable number of years . I own a Chinese built Suzuki & it just as reliable & well built as any Japanese Suzuki I ever owned . Chances are most bikes built in the last 2O years will have at least some components sourced from Chinese factories .
@maskedavenger2578Ай бұрын
I recently bought a Benelli TRK502, as I wanted greater presence on the road and you get a whole lot of bang for your buck, but undoubtedly selling on will not be a financially rewarding experience. That's the real issue. Perception.
@ruthessuАй бұрын
Another excellent video 👍👍👍
@tonymarchant9083Ай бұрын
Really interested to hear you say that you rate this better than the Benelli TRK702 which is (I think?) £2500 cheaper? And I know that you really rated the TRK when you rode it.. this must be really good?? I worry about depreciation though if I’m honest… excellent review.
@duncancleverley6366Ай бұрын
Better fit and finish and specs is all…not better value tbh Duncan
@thebingleywheelerАй бұрын
Morning Dave great in depth video again but the trouble in my head is Chinese I know haps I’m old fashioned but I can’t help that I’ve had 3 ktm adventures but not anymore I’m staying with the triumph brand now and yes that’s made in India but I’ve had no problems so far take care ride safe
@nicholasjarrold8649Ай бұрын
I'd take a bike made in India over China any day of the week.
@kugangles9860Ай бұрын
@@kugangles9860 yes so would I I’ve had a triumph speedmaster great bike bought it new in 2022 the gold line in a beautiful grey then traded in for a brand new triumph rocket 3gt chrome edition and what a beautiful bike I don’t think I’ll look back they seem excellent quality but I’m told designed by British designers and I expect what materials they must use so hopefully can’t go wrong bye for now
@nicholasjarrold8649Ай бұрын
TBW, I’m sure the 800MT Touring comes with a quick shifter & cruise control. The Advance version is the only version with Traction Control. I’m not sure if this version is available in the UK? I wonder when the little 450MT model will arrive in the UK? CFMOTO certainly make exciting motorcycles.
@stevesanelli90Ай бұрын
Steve I’m told the top of the range comes with the radar system…. The one I tested didn’t but did have cruise and quick shifter
@thebingleywheelerАй бұрын
Don't think I heard a mention of the Versys 650. With its superior suspension, refinement, and excellent track record, its 20hp deficit, while a thing, isn't everything. In these parts, the price difference isn't so great.
@williamzeller294Ай бұрын
I think the CF Motos look great, couple of slightly clunky styling bits on the crash bars but as the owner of a GS and a Himalayan i cant say too much. On looks alone theres very little not to like.
@hartley383Ай бұрын
Dave not my type of bike but i did enjoy your review. Do i take it you'll soon be spending 24 grand on a new fully specked GS.
@ianhalliwell8604Ай бұрын
Ha ha not a chance Ian 😎
@thebingleywheelerАй бұрын
No denying the CF Moto is a good looking bike that is well equipped and great value for money however there are issues with owning one and those primarily come down to a limited dealership network, spares back up and servicing, if the importers and the factory can sort these out and actively promote their dealers then they would probably sell a lot more bikes.
@IanSixbikes-by6eiАй бұрын
£9200 with full luggage on the Touring model. A bargain if you are going to keep hold of it. The 450 will give the new Himalayan a run for its money.
@VFRMitchАй бұрын
Absolutely Pal it certainly will 👍🏻
@thebingleywheelerАй бұрын
Had alook at this a few weeks ago. Only thing putting me off was the weight. Does it feel as heavy as its spec says? 🤔
@grahamcrowther571Ай бұрын
Not at all it’s very manageable
@thebingleywheelerАй бұрын
if i ever buy a chinese bike it would be this the benelli trk 702x is not bad but this is on another level, there is the v strom almost same price but you get something thats tested and overtime resail value doesnt drop
@solidsnake3861Ай бұрын
I like the Voge DS900X as well and I think it’s cheaper
@VinCent-xy5lgАй бұрын
Mmm I’m pretty sure that the CF Moto is the best of the Chinese brands, but is it really cheap enough? If you take into account depreciation then the gap is a lot smaller than it should be, should you be trying to change it every 3 years. It’s born out by the discounting even at new.
@stuartmoles843Ай бұрын
What the service intervils
@GreggspiesАй бұрын
Nice review! I’d worry about proper adventure riding with all that electronics - maybe that’s prejudice about Chinese electronics, after all iPhones are made in china!
@ianseddon9347Ай бұрын
So if you went touring on the Continent which would you choose, this bike or Super Meteor? 👍
@Bob-3639Ай бұрын
Neither 😂
@thebingleywheelerАй бұрын
@@thebingleywheeler😂
@williamardenjr116Күн бұрын
Have you thought of changing the channel name to “hot arse wheeler” it may introduce a whole new group of followers. 😂😂 you didn’t mention the self correcting mirror, it just fixed itself by magic when you did the walkaround - brilliant. On a serious note all adventure bikes are the new touring bikes I reckon. The conventional tourers days are probably numbered unfortunately.
@andrewdyson4255Ай бұрын
You may be onto something there pal I’ll give it a go and see if I get a subscription from Stormy Daniels 😂
@thebingleywheelerАй бұрын
Active collaboration with KTM and Yamaha
@twowheelpilot23 күн бұрын
One of the problems with the CFMoto and other Chinese bike companies there's practically no aftermarket support aside from the bits from the factory itself. If you're one to keep your bikes factory then I guess it doesn't matter but for me half the fun is modding and making it your own.
@kugangles9860Ай бұрын
There is already a lot of aftermarket stuff available for the 800mt. Keep in mind it’s a chinese KTM 🙃
@geertwanten1841Ай бұрын
this is a touring bike just has the looks like adventurer and most of the gs a africa riders ride on road because its to heavy you get a tenere 700 for that
@solidsnake3861Ай бұрын
Not into fly by wire throttles . I always carry a universal throttle & clutch cable emergency repair kit , & prefer a proper throttle cable . Any bike fitted with riding modes ,slipper ,clutches ,quick shifter ,blipper sh💩t & such like ,has no chance of me wanting or opening my wallet to obtain one . I would still prefer carburettors ,over fuel injection . New or used ,I buy all my bikes cash haven’t bought on finance for around 24 years . I have been known to keep a bike for as long as 16 years ,if I like it . I still have the one i last bought on finance 24 years ago ,stripped down for a refurb as a project .. Also I have a Honda that was 10 years old in mint condition ,that’s now been in my possession for a further 10 years ,making it a 20 year old bike . My latest acquisition was a cash bought ,ex demo bike in good as mint condition ,a Chinese built Suzuki ,I have almost owned for 3 years ,that will probably see me out . I could afford more expensive posh boy bikes ,but don’t see the point ,as I only bimble around at speeds up to 60 mph most of the time & only use the odd stretch of motorway .
@maskedavenger2578Ай бұрын
We got an old gimmer Luddite in our group too..eye by gum things were so much better back in the day blah blah blah
@appymarleyАй бұрын
@@appymarley I am not a Luddite but not everting that is new is necessarily better or needed . At least we could find our way to where we were going without a sat nav & could ride & control motorcycles without having to rely on idiot proof tech ,to pull us out the sh💩t . I bet that old glimmer Luddite has forgotten more about motorcycles & motorcycling than you will probably ever learn whippersnapper .
@maskedavenger2578Ай бұрын
Nicely replied buddy 😎👍🏻
@thebingleywheelerАй бұрын
9.5 & 10.5 thousand... Can't see sales being very brisk just because of where it is made!
@Steeps1969Ай бұрын
Voge 900 DSX blown it out of the water here in Europe basically a BMW f900 gs for €8888 same issues with throttle jerk though just made a video about it on my channel
@motechRevolution10 күн бұрын
When the CFMoto are still running beyond 150,000 kilometres then i will consider one again. The last one i had was unreliable.
@johnmoman6597Ай бұрын
I keep my bikes between 3 to 7 years depending on the bike. Only pay for bikes out right. Don't use finance.
@paulneedham3608Ай бұрын
No sixth gear?
@jamesdocherty5919Ай бұрын
6 speed
@thebingleywheelerАй бұрын
Homer Simpson designed a car for his brother, Abe, and this bike reminds me. With that aesthetic and impracticality off-road, I don’t see the point.
@collyernicholasjohnАй бұрын
The "roads" are like "off roads" now.....I think that's why people are buying ADV bikes and SUV cars.
@loftysaltmarsh69Ай бұрын
It looks a great bike and there is no doubt that the Chinese bikes are coming on leaps and bounds. But I would (currently) just buy a used Japanese or European bike instead; parts availability while touring would probably be better, resale value would be better and long term reliability is a known quantity. I wouldn't object to a Chinese bike in the future though.
@tnetroPАй бұрын
You buy one of this and you will see how many troubles you will get. I have a a CF Moto motorbike: "a nightmare". More time in the mechanical than on the road.
@faustorossi552411 күн бұрын
Perhaps you could help us by telling us about what the problems were exactly?
@thebingleywheeler10 күн бұрын
l like to keep a bike for 20 years if its good.most are these days
@pujapete3665Ай бұрын
I disagree there's plenty of people that take big adventure bikes on serious off road trails in Australia
@roadstromАй бұрын
But not here
@thebingleywheelerАй бұрын
I find adventure riders tend (not all) to have an air of arrogance about them.
@steven-vn9uiАй бұрын
Impossible for me to watch with that mirror as it is.
@mikehurley5052Ай бұрын
Obviously Nobody else thinks that
@thebingleywheelerАй бұрын
@@thebingleywheeler It upset me, too. Especially as we ride on the right here. Sloppy prep. methinks. Doesn't the bike come with a basic toolkit?
@m2menuiserie540Ай бұрын
@m2menuiserie540 maybe but I couldn’t be bothered 🤣
@thebingleywheelerАй бұрын
@@thebingleywheeler Obviously 3 other people think so 🤣 good video though
@gasguzzler5551Ай бұрын
It was a Roger rabbit bike 😂
@williamardenjr116Күн бұрын
Wyc the story with the left mirror
@peterjohnston4472Ай бұрын
Came loose no issues
@thebingleywheelerАй бұрын
Poor prep for a Demo bike😮
@mickmacmanАй бұрын
I HATE snatchy throttles. Poor engineering if you ask me... The worst situation is when negotiating a down hill hairpin/switch back turn and you have to GRADUALLY give it a bit of gas.. nothing, nothing BANG!!! No thank you... Send it back for a re work...
@hctim96Ай бұрын
Yep, and this is the only fuel injected bike that suffers from this unpleasant trait, is it? Of course it is. 🙄
@markfranks1329Ай бұрын
It’s not snatchy after a few miles
@thebingleywheelerАй бұрын
1st
@marksimpson5218Ай бұрын
2nd 😔😁
@themotorider1Ай бұрын
Eleventy-ith
@RufusCapstickАй бұрын
china ? china ? think about it before you buy and I'm not talking about the product
@graemetaylor629Ай бұрын
It sounds like a sewing machine
@michaelgreenhalgh3369Ай бұрын
That's what was said about Jap bikes when they arrived.
@colindobson2964Ай бұрын
I know. Good, isn't it? 😄
@markfranks1329Ай бұрын
The triple engines sound the same way.
@OperationFoxley19441Ай бұрын
Better than something roaring ìn my ears and adding to my fatigue
@stevematthews641Ай бұрын
Do not buy anything chinese or made under licence
@Paulfarmer-en4vhАй бұрын
Why?
@thebingleywheelerАй бұрын
CF moto has a horrid reputation for poor reliability and parts supply in quad bikes in Australia. Still can't believe KTM is in bed with them.
I don't think there is any question that, like it or not, the Chinese are coming and the Japanese and European brands need to start taking the threat seriously by offering more for your money than they currently do.
A lot of these so called European & Japanese brands have been ,obtaining components , engines & even having full motorcycles built in Chinese factory’s for some time now .
Chinese bikes are only coming if somebody buys them which I for one will never do partly because there rubbish and secondly why would you fund a country that at some point we will end up being at war with when the Taiwan war starts.
@terrybrooks7140 How do you know they are “rubbish” where is your evidence to support such a sweeping statement? And as for the “at war” issues had you completely forgotten that Japanese made bikes took a hold in this country just 20-25 years after we had been at war with THEM that being an actual war that took place not the one you imagine might happen….you should check your history my friend and also support your criticisms with some actual facts
I've worked on Chinese cars and bike's and been in the motor trade for 45 years so I think I'm coming from a vast amount of experience which you don't have and yes the war may not come fingers crossed but open your eyes and look at what China's been doing in Hong Kong etc
@terrybrooks7140 what is your specific experience with the CF Moto 800 which justifies your comments? I’m sure people will want to know
Very nice and well priced at £9200 on the road with full luggage according to CF Moto website puts its competitors to shame 🤔. Good intensive review thanks 👍
Hi Dave, it was easy to tell that you liked this bike with such a comprehensive review, a true ambassador for the product and indeed Appleyards. There is still a stigma attached to Chinese products in general but it has to be said that some of the worlds most respected products emanate from there. Andy.
Yes Andy stigma aside they are great bikes to behold and to ride
Looks like excellent value. My only concern is the lack of dealerships in the UK 😢
I recall the Japanese motorcycle invasion how they were despised by the diehard British bike dealers and riders 🤔
Exactly 👍🏻
Nice review, Dave! Yes, they are a nice-looking bike and are good value for money. I tried one here in West Oz last year but found that the weight was an issue for me, as I'm now 78 yo. The weight is centred quite high and for me I found that, at a standstill, anything over a couple of degrees past the vertical and the bike wanted to lie down. Whilst I can just about manage to pick it up now, in another couple of year or so's time, I very much doubt that I'd be able to do that. So, not for me.
A good balanced review. New dealers have arrived and these bikes are selling well.
Adventure bikes are the product of marketing genius, the truth is they are neither any good on or off road, Kawasaki, Suzuki and BMW sport tourers will annihilate them on the road with the same amount of comfort.
An established dealer has now popped up only 35 miles from me - a nice country backroads ride there and back.
Hi Dave, really like the gentle vibe to your videos. Please be safe and lucky, of course. There's always another bike to long for. Damn it!!
It’s an addiction I must shake off 😂
It's a lot of bike for the money and really eye catching too, there's something about spoked wheels, they look great on a Adventure bike and even better on the retro bikes. Spot on what you were saying about off road bikes, a 250/400 is more than enough, easy to pick up and you're not going to bawl your eyes out 😭when you drop it!! Smashing Video 👍
im in Australia, iv haD A MT 800 for 2 years, no problems and a great bike, that handles surprisingly well, and has all the tech you could want, i also have a Multistrada Enduro, i bought the mt for a long outback trip, didnt want to trash my multi, it went perfect no issues except a rear brake sensor breaking inn a minor fall, id recommend them to anyone wanting an adv bike with a realistic price..
I am looking forward to the 450 version.
LOVE MINE! I have the US Version which is the Ibex 800T. I've done a handful of mods like foot pegs, mirrors, removed the yellow stripes, different luggage racks, exhaust etc. Like you said its super comfortable on the highway... I've done simple gravel roads and will eventually do some forest roads here in Minnesota. Currently on 70/30 tires and may change them out for more 50/50 tire. Great bike for the money it really is.
I recently changed my GS 1250 for the Explore version of this bike. I’m well happy rides well has everything you want and mine was a good deal with full luggage and a discount I got from the bike show. Worked out less than half the price of the GS 1300 I was going to have but being a pensioner you have to look after your money 4 year warranty and breakdown cover too. People think these are cheap Chinese bikes they are far from that they are well constructed cost effect bikes that are very capable. I’ve done several videos of my Explore version on my KZhead Channel if you want to see the difference between the Touring and the Explore Great review of the bike I’m sure this bike will be seen more and more on the roads this year
Very well said and I’ll check out your channel 👍🏻
Been looking forward to this. Another fine review, Dave. As you are more than aware, this class of bike doesn't exactly push my buttons but, by heck, I really could be swayed by this particular machine. It really is the complete package and superb value. Handsome to boot, too. Bikes of this calibre will become more commonplace in due course, of that I'm sure. Of course, there'll still be detractors, diehards and doubters, with views unsavoury or otherwise. Fact is, as someone's already commented, 'they're coming'. Give them time. Nice one. 👍
Thank you Mark I loved it
A nice comprehensive, enjoyable review TBW. This is the Chinese bike that looks to be the one that could "convert" a few sceptics. With it's KTM DNA and slightly above budget price I think it has a chance, it just needs more people to be able to see them in the wild or even in a few more show rooms the dealer network is too sparse at the moment 50 miles is my nearest (Unless I go into London) and they don't have a Demo. Shame, I'd be interested in taking a punt as it looks like Very good value
Well ? Bigley ,,, I own a CFMoto 650NK from new 2017ish 60,000km and still ridden every day to and from work . I also have an Interceptor ( Orange Crush ) 2022 Dec . 4,000km . I can see your feels on the build quality , feel and talk's are sorted . Thanks again one of the best bike channel on sc-rew /tube .
How's the interceptor?? I bought the classic 350
@@bonjovi1354 Love it , its a great bike with only a couple of things that took getting used to , like the foot peg position's they used to get in my way when putting my feet down but that's no problem anymore, I am used to it now .
Good Morning Dave , a brilliant review on this bike as you said for the money you can't beat it , but the 22 model with full luggage is such a snip , so take care & ride safe
Cheers Steve it’s great value
To paraphrase Austin Vince, author of Mondo Enduro, inspiration for The Long Way Round etc. You really don't need a bike bigger than a DR 350 if you want to ride off road. You should be able to pick the bike up by yourself, injured and miles from any help. You don't need large metal panniers, the lower leading edge of these are often responsible for broken lower leg injuries when taking a tumble. The current fad for "Adventure" bikes is the equivalent to the SUV car thing. High up driving position, comfortable suspension reasonable power, what's not to like. Great for touring, Dakar Rally? Not so much.
My local dealership has these for £9,199 on the road with the full metal luggage pack thrown in for nowt!!! CF Moto clearly have confidence in their product with the standard 4 year warranty they give. In all it's a very tempting option ... I'm going to have to test ride one!!
In the states the regular one with no luggage is msrp priced more than yours with all that 😢
Apparently the spoked wheels 🛞 have problems with leaking air, according to" Ozarks Backroads " John, who a great mechanic made a great video 📹 explaining all, he owns this bike and swears by it. Great motorcycle, great review 👍
Great informative video, as always. A fellow lady biker has had a CFmoto 700 for a while and she loves it....and she flies! I debated trying the 800 but went for the Transalp.
I’ve not had the pleasure of the Transalp (not for want of trying) but it looks and sounds like a fine bike and of course Honda reliability…..and many thanks for the kind comment😊👍🏻
I love my transalp
Lots of folks don't know CFMoto has been building engines for other manufacturers, such as BMW, for quite a while.
Nice looking bike for an adventure plenty of good stuff really like the colour and wheels a lot for the money in comparison to other makes I see a center stand and it has the quick shifter which from what I understand you would have to pay extra for after a few months with KTM as CF Moto doesn't turn things of to get more money,😉 but the resale value would worry me I think even on a PCP were you could be well down at the 3 year point .Good review 👌👍
TFT looks very nice, Technology is good but sometimes you just need a little time to find the right menus. And you did a great job without the manual. Very nice review. Cheers
The menu from the explorer is easier. It has more the android tablet feeling.
I'm aquainted with a man that owns a dealership in Easter Europe. He sells all Japanese brands, Indians, Triumph and Benelli. He stopped selling CF Moto's because of the horrible delivery times for parts. He had to keep people waiting for warranty work, and it was hurting his business too much, so he doesn't sell them anymore
One tip: This Chinese factory doesn't like our threadlocker, so check your bolts.From experience..
Excellent review, I think it looks better than the KTM,as regards off-road, watch some videos of Chris birch riding KTM,890,1290s off road, it's amazing what they can do in the hand's off a former Enduro champion.
You sir are my new favourite motovlogger.😊
Thank you that’s very much appreciated 👍🏻😊
along with voge there is some new competition to the major brands on offer with great value for the money which we all need
Would make a cracking secondhand buy at £3k next year!
Consider what you paid for the bike depreciation would be less than the high end expensive bikes
@@stevedriver1376 In Australia they sell for around $14000 ride away with a 3 year warranty so probably after 3 years you could sell it for around $8000 so you lose $6000 go and buy a $38000 BMW GS1300 and sell it after 3 years I bet you lose more than $6000
I bought a year old suzuki v strom 650 xt with 2000 miles on for £6200. I ll stay with what I know is good. Many many 17 yr old v storms on the road. I’ll wager anything this wont compete. It seems Europe are on board faster than the uk on these Chinese bikes. Wake up Japanese. As for BmW £20k not a chance
@@volt8684Suzuki Honda ,Yamaha & many more well known motorcycle manufacturers ,have been sourcing components ,& having full engines & even whole motorcycles manufactured in Chinese factories ,for a considerable number of years . I own a Chinese built Suzuki & it just as reliable & well built as any Japanese Suzuki I ever owned . Chances are most bikes built in the last 2O years will have at least some components sourced from Chinese factories .
I recently bought a Benelli TRK502, as I wanted greater presence on the road and you get a whole lot of bang for your buck, but undoubtedly selling on will not be a financially rewarding experience. That's the real issue. Perception.
Another excellent video 👍👍👍
Really interested to hear you say that you rate this better than the Benelli TRK702 which is (I think?) £2500 cheaper? And I know that you really rated the TRK when you rode it.. this must be really good?? I worry about depreciation though if I’m honest… excellent review.
Better fit and finish and specs is all…not better value tbh Duncan
Morning Dave great in depth video again but the trouble in my head is Chinese I know haps I’m old fashioned but I can’t help that I’ve had 3 ktm adventures but not anymore I’m staying with the triumph brand now and yes that’s made in India but I’ve had no problems so far take care ride safe
I'd take a bike made in India over China any day of the week.
@@kugangles9860 yes so would I I’ve had a triumph speedmaster great bike bought it new in 2022 the gold line in a beautiful grey then traded in for a brand new triumph rocket 3gt chrome edition and what a beautiful bike I don’t think I’ll look back they seem excellent quality but I’m told designed by British designers and I expect what materials they must use so hopefully can’t go wrong bye for now
TBW, I’m sure the 800MT Touring comes with a quick shifter & cruise control. The Advance version is the only version with Traction Control. I’m not sure if this version is available in the UK? I wonder when the little 450MT model will arrive in the UK? CFMOTO certainly make exciting motorcycles.
Steve I’m told the top of the range comes with the radar system…. The one I tested didn’t but did have cruise and quick shifter
Don't think I heard a mention of the Versys 650. With its superior suspension, refinement, and excellent track record, its 20hp deficit, while a thing, isn't everything. In these parts, the price difference isn't so great.
I think the CF Motos look great, couple of slightly clunky styling bits on the crash bars but as the owner of a GS and a Himalayan i cant say too much. On looks alone theres very little not to like.
Dave not my type of bike but i did enjoy your review. Do i take it you'll soon be spending 24 grand on a new fully specked GS.
Ha ha not a chance Ian 😎
No denying the CF Moto is a good looking bike that is well equipped and great value for money however there are issues with owning one and those primarily come down to a limited dealership network, spares back up and servicing, if the importers and the factory can sort these out and actively promote their dealers then they would probably sell a lot more bikes.
£9200 with full luggage on the Touring model. A bargain if you are going to keep hold of it. The 450 will give the new Himalayan a run for its money.
Absolutely Pal it certainly will 👍🏻
Had alook at this a few weeks ago. Only thing putting me off was the weight. Does it feel as heavy as its spec says? 🤔
Not at all it’s very manageable
if i ever buy a chinese bike it would be this the benelli trk 702x is not bad but this is on another level, there is the v strom almost same price but you get something thats tested and overtime resail value doesnt drop
I like the Voge DS900X as well and I think it’s cheaper
Mmm I’m pretty sure that the CF Moto is the best of the Chinese brands, but is it really cheap enough? If you take into account depreciation then the gap is a lot smaller than it should be, should you be trying to change it every 3 years. It’s born out by the discounting even at new.
What the service intervils
Nice review! I’d worry about proper adventure riding with all that electronics - maybe that’s prejudice about Chinese electronics, after all iPhones are made in china!
So if you went touring on the Continent which would you choose, this bike or Super Meteor? 👍
Neither 😂
@@thebingleywheeler😂
Have you thought of changing the channel name to “hot arse wheeler” it may introduce a whole new group of followers. 😂😂 you didn’t mention the self correcting mirror, it just fixed itself by magic when you did the walkaround - brilliant. On a serious note all adventure bikes are the new touring bikes I reckon. The conventional tourers days are probably numbered unfortunately.
You may be onto something there pal I’ll give it a go and see if I get a subscription from Stormy Daniels 😂
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One of the problems with the CFMoto and other Chinese bike companies there's practically no aftermarket support aside from the bits from the factory itself. If you're one to keep your bikes factory then I guess it doesn't matter but for me half the fun is modding and making it your own.
There is already a lot of aftermarket stuff available for the 800mt. Keep in mind it’s a chinese KTM 🙃
this is a touring bike just has the looks like adventurer and most of the gs a africa riders ride on road because its to heavy you get a tenere 700 for that
Not into fly by wire throttles . I always carry a universal throttle & clutch cable emergency repair kit , & prefer a proper throttle cable . Any bike fitted with riding modes ,slipper ,clutches ,quick shifter ,blipper sh💩t & such like ,has no chance of me wanting or opening my wallet to obtain one . I would still prefer carburettors ,over fuel injection . New or used ,I buy all my bikes cash haven’t bought on finance for around 24 years . I have been known to keep a bike for as long as 16 years ,if I like it . I still have the one i last bought on finance 24 years ago ,stripped down for a refurb as a project .. Also I have a Honda that was 10 years old in mint condition ,that’s now been in my possession for a further 10 years ,making it a 20 year old bike . My latest acquisition was a cash bought ,ex demo bike in good as mint condition ,a Chinese built Suzuki ,I have almost owned for 3 years ,that will probably see me out . I could afford more expensive posh boy bikes ,but don’t see the point ,as I only bimble around at speeds up to 60 mph most of the time & only use the odd stretch of motorway .
We got an old gimmer Luddite in our group too..eye by gum things were so much better back in the day blah blah blah
@@appymarley I am not a Luddite but not everting that is new is necessarily better or needed . At least we could find our way to where we were going without a sat nav & could ride & control motorcycles without having to rely on idiot proof tech ,to pull us out the sh💩t . I bet that old glimmer Luddite has forgotten more about motorcycles & motorcycling than you will probably ever learn whippersnapper .
Nicely replied buddy 😎👍🏻
9.5 & 10.5 thousand... Can't see sales being very brisk just because of where it is made!
Voge 900 DSX blown it out of the water here in Europe basically a BMW f900 gs for €8888 same issues with throttle jerk though just made a video about it on my channel
When the CFMoto are still running beyond 150,000 kilometres then i will consider one again. The last one i had was unreliable.
I keep my bikes between 3 to 7 years depending on the bike. Only pay for bikes out right. Don't use finance.
No sixth gear?
6 speed
Homer Simpson designed a car for his brother, Abe, and this bike reminds me. With that aesthetic and impracticality off-road, I don’t see the point.
The "roads" are like "off roads" now.....I think that's why people are buying ADV bikes and SUV cars.
It looks a great bike and there is no doubt that the Chinese bikes are coming on leaps and bounds. But I would (currently) just buy a used Japanese or European bike instead; parts availability while touring would probably be better, resale value would be better and long term reliability is a known quantity. I wouldn't object to a Chinese bike in the future though.
You buy one of this and you will see how many troubles you will get. I have a a CF Moto motorbike: "a nightmare". More time in the mechanical than on the road.
Perhaps you could help us by telling us about what the problems were exactly?
l like to keep a bike for 20 years if its good.most are these days
I disagree there's plenty of people that take big adventure bikes on serious off road trails in Australia
But not here
I find adventure riders tend (not all) to have an air of arrogance about them.
Impossible for me to watch with that mirror as it is.
Obviously Nobody else thinks that
@@thebingleywheeler It upset me, too. Especially as we ride on the right here. Sloppy prep. methinks. Doesn't the bike come with a basic toolkit?
@m2menuiserie540 maybe but I couldn’t be bothered 🤣
@@thebingleywheeler Obviously 3 other people think so 🤣 good video though
It was a Roger rabbit bike 😂
Wyc the story with the left mirror
Came loose no issues
Poor prep for a Demo bike😮
I HATE snatchy throttles. Poor engineering if you ask me... The worst situation is when negotiating a down hill hairpin/switch back turn and you have to GRADUALLY give it a bit of gas.. nothing, nothing BANG!!! No thank you... Send it back for a re work...
Yep, and this is the only fuel injected bike that suffers from this unpleasant trait, is it? Of course it is. 🙄
It’s not snatchy after a few miles
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2nd 😔😁
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china ? china ? think about it before you buy and I'm not talking about the product
It sounds like a sewing machine
That's what was said about Jap bikes when they arrived.
I know. Good, isn't it? 😄
The triple engines sound the same way.
Better than something roaring ìn my ears and adding to my fatigue
Do not buy anything chinese or made under licence
Why?
CF moto has a horrid reputation for poor reliability and parts supply in quad bikes in Australia. Still can't believe KTM is in bed with them.