How To Choose Your PERFECT Mouse! - Valorant Mouse Guide

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  • I'm currently using the Logitech G PRO X SUPERLIGHT and it feels perfect for me. It's more on the expensive side tho but that's the only downside of this mouse in my option. Also fits well for my fingertip gripstye.

    @xXEN0o@xXEN0o2 жыл бұрын
  • currently using g pro hero. The shape is perfect for my fingertip claw hybrid grip

    @zombiesofficialchannel4979@zombiesofficialchannel49792 жыл бұрын
  • thanks for the guide

    @ellenjimenez1837@ellenjimenez1837 Жыл бұрын
  • Love your content thx 🙂

    @dangongo8908@dangongo89082 жыл бұрын
  • I'm using the Glorious Model O- It's a really good size for me (Sadly my hands are small) and it's really light coming with 60 something grams 😅 I used the wired version cause I have e a cat and it kicks the wireless so I switched to the wired so it was easier to find my mouse + the input delay with the wireless and I use a bungee and it's been really helpful it's a really good mouse and it comes in with the price of about 50$ so it's a really good price. I hope this helps if your getting the model o or trying to get a new mouse.

    @h.h_603@h.h_6032 жыл бұрын
  • I use the logitech G502 hero mouse and when i first got it, i loved it! But now i really dont like it that much anymore because of the design and shape of the mouse.

    @nebustar847@nebustar8472 жыл бұрын
  • Thanks, this vid will help a lot. I'm currently using the g502 hero, cause my friend recommended it and when I played csgo on his account I hit every shot. But I've had this mouse almost for a year now and my mouse grip and the way I aim has changed dramatically. I went from palm grip to hybrid grip, to fingertip grip and now the most comfortable for fps games, claw grip. But before that I went from aiming with my wrist to my arm. This mouse is really great and has almost no input delay, but for serious gamers that aim practice and play long hours, don't buy😅. I'm gonna get myself the glorious model o wireless

    @yochillz69@yochillz69 Жыл бұрын
  • I recently purchased an Armaggeddon Nro 5 Starship iii mouse, wasn't very sure with the purchase because I got used to a Razer Deathadder which was alright but due to my hands being a bit bigger than the Razer mouse I needed something ergonomically bigger so I found the Nro 5 and being completely honest Armaggeddon out did themselves. The mouse feels way more premium than the deathadder I've been using for 2 years now and a tad bit cheaper too. Amazing mouse with some amazing features. 100 % would recommend for a big hands and great ergonomics for just under $ 60. Ps massive improvements in first person shooters now😊

    @antonkevin9493@antonkevin94932 жыл бұрын
    • Yoo, I also use a deathadder, and I wanna move to a glorious model d, but Idk if there are better options for under 70 dollars, any advice? Btw, I do wanna play games other than Valorant, but FPS games are primary

      @januthcs4286@januthcs4286 Жыл бұрын
  • 3:25 Viper ultimate be like ' *don't get in my way* ' to the wire lol i'm sorry, i'll stop

    @cZk75137@cZk751372 жыл бұрын
    • Lol 😂😂😂😂😂 I liked it

      @warriorvedangop@warriorvedangop2 жыл бұрын
    • @@warriorvedangop ty

      @cZk75137@cZk751372 жыл бұрын
    • @@cZk75137 wlcm 😀😁❤️

      @warriorvedangop@warriorvedangop2 жыл бұрын
  • Thank you for the vid

    @Daikon100@Daikon1002 жыл бұрын
  • I think there is 1 more aspect of the mouse that you forget. lift off distance, for wrist aiming you want lod to be as low as possible while for arm aiming it wouldn't matter as much. while mice with newer sensor like pmw 3389 usually can adjust it's lod from 0.5 to 2mm mice that still use pmw 3360 usually stuck at 2mm minimum lod

    @albioncia@albioncia2 жыл бұрын
    • that seem to be a mouse design problem too, like the vipermini has that issue, where ppl did like self modding and fixing the issue/minimizing it, meaning it is not impossible to solve but the company need to do it themselves

      @shinefake48@shinefake482 жыл бұрын
  • I use Razer Viper Ultimate. I was specifically looking for a wireless mouse because I was just sick of the wire getting in the way but I told myself that If I buy something then it has to be good because I was aware of the input delay. Viper ultimate gave me all I needed. Low input lag, good battery, all the buttons, good grip, wireless aspect, good look, adjustable settings (DPI, pre-made DPI settings) and smooth coating on the bottom of the mouse that allowed it to move real nicely on the mousepad.

    @maksimklimuk@maksimklimuk2 жыл бұрын
    • Wireless mouses have the same or less input delay than wired don’t bully me I was it on Linustechtips :)

      @aleisbobing897@aleisbobing8972 жыл бұрын
  • Hama Urage Reaper 310 Unleashed, because it's designed for gaming, it's wireless (1ms), it has 10000 dpi, rgb, nice battery life, very good quality, and it isn't heavy. And it was 40€.

    @danielbktk@danielbktk2 жыл бұрын
  • Modern wireless mice have comparable noticeable input delay. Your eyes would perceive both as having the same input delay and response time. So if you’re on a budget, get the orochi v2 or xm1r. Orochi is for fingertip (or claw if u have small hands) and xm1r is wired, best for claw

    @aaronmiguel2036@aaronmiguel20362 жыл бұрын
  • the click weight is SO true - I use the original Razer DeathAdder Elite mouse, and when I randomly decided to test the g203 I kept accidentally right clicking >:( made me so mad and not like the mouse at all, so I would must definitely need a heavier click weight - or at least not a light one

    @emk8475@emk84752 жыл бұрын
  • i use a red dragon m711 because i used to play a lot of bedwars on minecraft to i got it for drag clicking to i could try to god bridge. still works okay for valorant

    @bartoons5898@bartoons58982 жыл бұрын
  • I was using the g pro wireless for about 2 years but now I switched over to the g703 because the g pro wireless was giving me hand pain from the way I would tense my hand and the way I grabbed it I felt like I need a right handed mouse to feel more comfortable I definitely love the g pro wireless but in long hours of gaming I think I made a good switch.

    @Joyboyalb@Joyboyalb2 жыл бұрын
    • is the g703 smaller then the superlight?

      @jjj_cs@jjj_cs2 жыл бұрын
    • @@jjj_cs yes , a little

      @williamrheaume9022@williamrheaume9022 Жыл бұрын
  • Hk sirus m is my go to. I feel dumb but I love it

    @withoutO2@withoutO2 Жыл бұрын
  • im using a glorious model d-. i used to use a redragon m711 cobra(a right handed mouse) which was quite heavy and then my friend was selling his model d- for £25. it is also right handed which i am used to now because of how long i used the m711 for so using a normal mouse feels a little bit weird. its quite light and the cable is really flexible unlike my m711 which had a stiff cable. i think model o is abit better than d but i got this for half price so i dont really mind

    @ViperXD@ViperXD2 жыл бұрын
  • Can i ask? What if you had high sensitivity it is good to choose lightweight mouse?

    @giem4889@giem48892 жыл бұрын
  • i currently use the model o wireless, it is light and feels nice

    @zanecochran7697@zanecochran76972 жыл бұрын
  • I use a Razer Basilisk. It's a bit heavy and a bit big for my small hands but I am used to it and it has definitely improved my aim a bit. but maybe I'll switch to the Razer Orochi sometime.

    @NCore_._@NCore_._2 жыл бұрын
  • I use a Glorious model O- wireless, but I’m planning to move towards a razer orichi mouse, I really like small mice, especially when its 60 grams, that’s my ideal weight in a mouse, especially when wireless

    @atomicdipz190@atomicdipz1902 жыл бұрын
  • this is the chillest guy ever lol

    @splxsh273@splxsh2732 жыл бұрын
  • I use the reddragon m690 1 wireless it has little to no delay I love it

    @Z7g11tch@Z7g11tch Жыл бұрын
  • I am Having Logitech M190 it's so lucky for me 🤩🤩 Edit - Love From India ❤️

    @ruchiraushikha8700@ruchiraushikha87002 жыл бұрын
  • I have a Logitech g 203 because Is a good price quality mouse, It gas a good sensor, and It has got a good grip

    @user-er4gx2dn9d@user-er4gx2dn9d Жыл бұрын
  • I use Glorious model d as my mouse because its very light and kinda larger but not very big and as a grip style i use claw/palm mix with my medium size hand.

    @Tumska@Tumska2 жыл бұрын
    • What’s your sense? Im so uncomfortable bc it’s so slippery and I can’t find a sense

      @tenxen@tenxen2 жыл бұрын
  • Mous bunge is so good i've use it for 2 years and I can not reccomdend it enough

    @leongodinic6845@leongodinic68452 жыл бұрын
  • Im using Glorious model o wireless. Switched it from GPW few weeks ago

    @VyreYT@VyreYT2 жыл бұрын
  • I have a model O, but I feel its really cheap which its meant to be, and I want a premium feel, Im thinking aboput buying myself the g pro x, any recomendations?

    @Saintnextup@Saintnextup Жыл бұрын
  • Iam. Currently using the msi clutch gm20 elite

    @saliex402@saliex4022 жыл бұрын
  • Glorious model o

    @StratusxdXD@StratusxdXD7 ай бұрын
  • QOTD: Currently I have the Logitech G Pro Wireless, I'm loving it, maybe in the not so near future I'll change it to the Superlight version

    @flambo0yvn7zz-30@flambo0yvn7zz-302 жыл бұрын
    • And

      @DarkBrawlStarsAssAssin@DarkBrawlStarsAssAssin2 жыл бұрын
  • i use the Viper mini too

    @victorbrandner7819@victorbrandner7819 Жыл бұрын
  • I use a red dragon passer m 600!

    @aadityavishwam6062@aadityavishwam60622 жыл бұрын
  • QotD: I'm currently using a Zelotes vertical gaming mouse because I was close to getting carpal tunnel syndrome and a friend told me vertical mice would help and I can confirm, they really do help.

    @dragonheart1357@dragonheart13572 жыл бұрын
    • What rank are you

      @inactivenj@inactivenj2 жыл бұрын
    • @@inactivenj I don't see what that has to do with my comment

      @dragonheart1357@dragonheart13572 жыл бұрын
    • @@dragonheart1357 I am just wondering what your rank is, no need to get defensive

      @inactivenj@inactivenj2 жыл бұрын
    • @@inactivenj I'm not getting defensive, I'm just wondering why it matters that I was silver and am currently unranked for my choice of mouse

      @dragonheart1357@dragonheart13572 жыл бұрын
    • @@dragonheart1357 that's not too bad. Expected you to be iron if you're playing on a vertical mouse lol

      @inactivenj@inactivenj2 жыл бұрын
  • Quote of the Day: I'm currently using a G Pro X Superlight, but I do use a modded viper mini as well. Just depends on what I'm feeling like using on certain days

    @durtleturtle840@durtleturtle8402 жыл бұрын
  • I use np01s from vaxee .I feel this mouse is better than zowie . There is lot of option with color so it match with most of the desk . Best part is the shape though.

    @daltonofficial4330@daltonofficial4330 Жыл бұрын
  • I use a Wired model D

    @micah3236@micah32362 жыл бұрын
  • I have the m42. It woul be perfect if it had a better cable and dident have holes on the side. The main clicks are good for spray control but it's terrible foe one one taps for the buttons are hard to click and spam. Sometime I got my crosshair on the enemy head and I go to press it and it takes to long to activate it.

    @mikekonkola1231@mikekonkola12312 жыл бұрын
  • My mouse is the Ninjutso Sora (a 45 gram wireless mouse). imo it's endgame territory

    @mikediezel0923@mikediezel092311 ай бұрын
  • QOTD: i have 5 mice but i like the logitech g prowireless. I just randomly got it cuz i wanted a wireless mouse and i had enough budget

    @kudamo@kudamo2 жыл бұрын
  • I’m using topmate m11 it’s off brand but it came wit my keyboard I want the razer viper but idk my hands are kinda big

    @donny1x@donny1x2 жыл бұрын
  • i use a g502 as it is my dream mouse and i like heavy mouse

    @DragonBall-kg6jy@DragonBall-kg6jy2 жыл бұрын
  • I use a Logitech G502 Hero and I have all the weights in. I don't know what it is, but I simply cannot aim at all with a lighter mouse. It feels too loose and swingy in my hands and I don't have the degree of control I need with a lighter mouse. It's also the perfect grip for me.

    @ZephyrCheez@ZephyrCheez2 жыл бұрын
  • As a disabled gamer I use the Logitech G600 because it has 20 programmable buttons.

    @greatnessinc@greatnessinc2 жыл бұрын
  • QotD I use the razer viper min. It fits my hand size and is comfortable

    @dogecoin4916@dogecoin49162 жыл бұрын
  • The mouse I use is the Logitech G402 cuz it's affordable and has a super comfortable shape

    @Nitesword@Nitesword2 жыл бұрын
  • Actually all logitech mices which use Hero sensors have the same input lag as G PRO X :) they use the same sensors :) same story with razor mices, Roccat, Xtrfy, etc.

    @jackdanyal4329@jackdanyal43292 жыл бұрын
  • I’m using the razer death adder v2 mini and I’m getting the endgame gears xm1r

    @Anemfys@Anemfys2 жыл бұрын
  • I also have the razer viper mini

    @captainmaratcium2369@captainmaratcium23692 жыл бұрын
  • glorious model o QOTD

    @sceplopmc2189@sceplopmc21892 жыл бұрын
  • I got a razer essential And ive seen really strange opinions Some say its meh Some say it good And i want to know is it bad?

    @djmelioo0das265@djmelioo0das2652 жыл бұрын
  • I USE $15 Cheap gaming mouse and its so good the sensor spins out WOOOOOOW!!

    @ketchupblob6611@ketchupblob66112 жыл бұрын
  • Luv from India ❤️

    @plutorich3yrich3y@plutorich3yrich3y2 жыл бұрын
  • i use the gmo- but after this vid, im getting a g703!

    @nathanluangrath7827@nathanluangrath78272 жыл бұрын
  • I use a Logitech g305. I had the g pro wireless before but I switched to the 305 because I have small hands. I know the 305 is the older and worse one but the pro wireless felt uncomfortable

    @DrBubo-lg5ev@DrBubo-lg5ev2 жыл бұрын
  • qotd: I currently use a onn gaming mouse. I'ts wired and its RGB. It has two thumb buttons and I like it but I don't think its for me. I'll probably get a new mouse soon.

    @EtOoZ808@EtOoZ8082 жыл бұрын
  • Razer Basilisk Ult upgrading to Viper Ult or Viper V2 Pro

    @raidz3215@raidz3215 Жыл бұрын
  • Actually i use Razer viper mini but i would change my mouse but i don t know to go for cable or wireless type(I have finger tip style)

    @layoner0247@layoner0247 Жыл бұрын
  • If you want a cheap option for a wireless mouse that provides good features like 1000hz polling rate, low weight and small size, then go for the logitech g304. Just at 35 dollars its provides u the features listed above. But if you have more money to invest then I would recommended to go for the razer viper ultimate.

    @itzstutya85@itzstutya852 жыл бұрын
  • I use the Razer Deathadder V2 Pro because I love wireless mice, have big hands, am a palm gripper, and it’s not too light nor too heavy at 88 grams

    @nickyb225@nickyb2252 жыл бұрын
    • I actually had both the DA V2 pro and wired V2 version and for some reason I played better with the wired version. Maybe it is because the wired version weighed like 7g less but still, I found it odd.

      @Ryn0_333@Ryn0_3332 жыл бұрын
  • I really like your voice.Its really calming and soothing

    @Drop42069@Drop420692 жыл бұрын
    • Same

      @KlassieShocks@KlassieShocks2 жыл бұрын
    • Jojo

      @roberte.ospeedwagon6993@roberte.ospeedwagon6993 Жыл бұрын
  • I am currently using Bloody a90 (I bought it while I was still playing Minecraft)

    @eliksirq@eliksirq2 жыл бұрын
  • Im using the gpro x Superlight I have tiny hands. But I have a weird grip so I can gripany mouse

    @svercc11@svercc112 жыл бұрын
  • For QOTD: I am currently using the Glorious Model O Wireless, it’s because I used to play minecraft then moved to valorant and I use this mouse because the ambidextrous shape feels comfortable for any grip I use for my opinion. And my rank is iron and I have a lot to progress to get better. I want another mouse aka the Logitech G Pro X Superlight

    @x1annn.@x1annn.2 жыл бұрын
    • What’s your rank now?

      @sebastianperez8898@sebastianperez88982 жыл бұрын
    • Im still iron 3 still but im progressively getting better

      @x1annn.@x1annn.2 жыл бұрын
  • The input latency of wireless mice can easily rival wired mice. Just because a wired mouse is direct does not mean it is necessarily faster. I have literally every mouse known to man lol. No seriously though... Out of all of the wireless mice, my favorite are the Razer Viper Ultimate and the Finalmouse Starlight 12. The best affordable option is easily the G305 although I have not tried the Orochi yet and I heard it takes the value wireless crown. The starlight 12 medium feels better for my size hands with the weight being better but almost too light. The RVU has better main clicks (half the click latency which is noticeable), side buttons, better scroll wheel, no holes, better sensor and wireless tech. BTW, yes I have a GPX Superlight and I do not like it very much despite trying it on and off for about 6 months. Best wired mice imo: Deathadder V2, Zygen NP-01 and the M42. The only mice I don't own are Zowie mice although the EC1-C/EC2-C are tempting because they finally made some actual improvements. The XM1r could be one of my favorites but it is honestly a bit too big for me to play with comfortably but I do really like the shape, hence the M42 recommendation as it is similar in a way. The Viper Mini is really good, especially for the price but a bit cramped for me, I wish they made a size in between the normal size and the mini like the Starlight 12 medium.

    @Ryn0_333@Ryn0_3332 жыл бұрын
    • I have a bughet of 50 dollars and cannot find a good wireless mouse, can you give me any suggestion or I will go with viper mini or glorious o-

      @xeltz4243@xeltz42432 жыл бұрын
    • @@xeltz4243 so the mice under 50 category is pretty good nowadays. However the wireless mice under 50 still isn't there yet. I will say the G305 is still one of the best budget wireless mice on the market for sure. The orochi I still haven't bought yet but want to try it out. My budget got a little tighter since my last comment. Also I found my endgame mouse for now. So wireless I would say those two. I would highly recommend saving up 47 more dollars for the Razer Viper Ultimate on Amazon (96.87$ right now) which even gets cheaper on holidays or black Friday. I haven't tried the newer Deathadder V2 X but I heard it was solid. That is if you are looking for a bigger mouse and that is under 50 as well. My favorite budget wired mouse I have ever used was the Viper Mini (27.10$ on amazon) and you could never go wrong with that one. Unless you are 6' 2" and above maybe or just don't like smaller type mice. I tried the model d but I honestly didn't like it that much for numerous reasons. I RMAd it twice and still have issues with it. The pulse fire haste I heard was really good and would to try that one as well when I get some extra cash. I mean you got quite a bit of options but I would say the G305 and Orochi would be your best bets. I can't vouch for the Orochi fully but based on the shape and the fact that I have mained the Viper Ultimate since it came out (until the starlight) I would be comfortable recommending it. I haven't heard of any serious issues with it either. Most people say it is the logical upgrade from the G305 as well.

      @Ryn0_333@Ryn0_3332 жыл бұрын
    • @@Ryn0_333 bro i am a 12 year old and i cannot stretch my budget so i am just going with viper mini, will tell you the experience when I will play with it

      @xeltz4243@xeltz42432 жыл бұрын
    • @@xeltz4243 fair enough, I was not aware of your age. Either way, the viper mini is a good pick.

      @Ryn0_333@Ryn0_3332 жыл бұрын
  • I have been using the model d for a while now and I want a new mouse

    @damlim5471@damlim5471 Жыл бұрын
  • I was gonna freak out when he said trackball.

    @Joshua_Uwadiae@Joshua_Uwadiae2 жыл бұрын
  • i am using a antesports gm300

    @sKul.@sKul.2 жыл бұрын
  • I have viper mini should i buy 8k?

    @deathlyshot390@deathlyshot390 Жыл бұрын
  • I use HXSJ S700.

    @eshay140@eshay140 Жыл бұрын
  • Im currently using razer deathadder chroma. But maybe im going to buys a viper ultimate soon.

    @solaire3312@solaire3312 Жыл бұрын
    • i have been using the viper ultimate for about 2 months now and i would defo recommend it. if you can do get it with the charging dock it makes the experience even better

      @aliaxvfx6704@aliaxvfx6704 Жыл бұрын
  • The mouse in the thumbnail is the viper ultimate u can tell by shape

    @mxsty_blue6442@mxsty_blue64422 жыл бұрын
  • I'm currently on a g102

    @poojathakur3289@poojathakur32892 жыл бұрын
  • I have Dragonwar Leviathan ELE-G1 Gaming

    @minaljindal9587@minaljindal95872 жыл бұрын
  • QOTD: I am currently using the razer viper that I got in the all star bundle. I am looking to get the wireless model o.

    @lucasgeorge1318@lucasgeorge13182 жыл бұрын
    • The RVU imo is a much better mouse than the GMO.

      @Ryn0_333@Ryn0_3332 жыл бұрын
  • Using the darknet 830

    @jxinzx1219@jxinzx12192 жыл бұрын
  • I use the razer deathadder mini

    @Dennis737H@Dennis737H2 жыл бұрын
  • Logitech g pro superlight black

    @thuykimhuynh5063@thuykimhuynh50632 жыл бұрын
  • Deathadder v2 or hyperx haste??

    @zenitsuagatsuma9746@zenitsuagatsuma97462 жыл бұрын
  • input dealy in wireless mouse is less of an issue now..

    @nimeshdangol6057@nimeshdangol605711 ай бұрын
  • If i hold my fingers together only 3 can be om my mouse. The rest is om the outdifr bc it is do small

    @croucha1r237@croucha1r2372 жыл бұрын
  • What is your hand length ? From wrist to your tip of finger

    @callmecheese4696@callmecheese46962 жыл бұрын
  • i use a razer viper mini

    @noah22045@noah220452 жыл бұрын
  • A little tip for those who searching the whole Internet for Information: Just go to an Electro Market who's let you try the Mice. I don't know if this exist's in america but i think so. I live in Austria and I nearly always go to "Media Markt" in these Situations. If you think the Price is very expensive, you can just go to an App that Shows you the cheapest Price and then you can decide where you buy it

    @lukli425@lukli4252 жыл бұрын
  • personally I feel you shouldn't get a heavier mouse for control, get a lighter mouse and a slower mousepad

    @Dream-gc9jg@Dream-gc9jg2 жыл бұрын
  • right now i have a wireless mouse but i lost the usb adapter for it so now i just use wired (g703) 🥰

    @amzarr2527@amzarr25272 жыл бұрын
  • Size matters guys size matters

    @Bro-ih5cy@Bro-ih5cy9 ай бұрын
  • I'm using ec1-a i have other mice like g305 superlight and viper 8k but the ec1-a is just better

    @luay5503@luay5503 Жыл бұрын
  • i have a 21*12cm long hand, any recommendations ?

    @sirijanthakur@sirijanthakur2 жыл бұрын
  • Rip I've been using the logitech g600 since I was in 5th grade and am still using it with wrist aiming.

    @bobosbrioche@bobosbrioche2 жыл бұрын
  • I have a Razer Viper 8k with Razer bungee

    @scares3859@scares38592 жыл бұрын
  • 4:09 I use g pro x

    @theblocky2949@theblocky2949 Жыл бұрын
  • I use Razer Viper Ultimate

    @flajer8332@flajer83322 жыл бұрын
  • I Use the deathadder because a friend gave it to me because my other mouse broke but my hands are small and its really not easy to use and i would NOT reccomend it with small hands like mine although the shape is good if you have big hands thats your mouse to go for

    @pcdynerve9236@pcdynerve92362 жыл бұрын
  • Tenz be like nahhhh anything works

    @mateoqirjazi8377@mateoqirjazi83772 жыл бұрын
  • i have small hands and my supperlight feels great

    @xeater@xeater2 жыл бұрын
  • I wanted to choose a mouse in the end, I got even more confused and now I don’t know which one to buy(((

    @georgepeterson3632@georgepeterson3632 Жыл бұрын
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