Slicing Adam Savage's Nose - Can VFX Beat Doing it for Real?
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Niko, Wren and Crew visit Adam Savage's Cave in San Francisco to test out his freshly-built replica of the stiletto knife that "slices" Jack Nicholson's Nose in the 1974 Noir classic "Chinatown." Can the Crew recreate this practical effect with CGi in the same time it took Adam to build his prop? Does doing it for real always beat CGi?
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first reply! you are INCREDIBLE in your vfx, continue getting better and being amazing!
Did he add the time spent researching the film prop and designing it in? The video just said manufacture time for it so unsure.
Squibs!!!
FXBusters!!!
What about a hybrid approach where you squirt practical blood from a half blade with a CG/digital point/tip?
We cannot WAIT to do this again.
It's so fun to watch these collabs between separate content creators I've been following for over a decade
Ya....
Do the staff job, double the money
Adam Savage is a mad savage
When you see people with that have so much passions, it is very heartwarming.
This 100,000% needs to be a recurring series: Corridor's Practical vs. Digital Effects, with Adam Savage. This is the first series I would actually pay for on either channel.
Agreed
Agreed. I'd 100% signup to watch this series.
Yeah, Id pay for this
and there should be 2 to 3 Digital Effect takes 1. same time as practical 2. practical and Digital 3. if needed how ever long it takes.
Yes please. I've been hoping they'd have a series where they would focus on practical effects and animontronics (either an fx artist react series or something hands on like in this video). That would be amazing.
Not going to lie I thought Adam Savage was going to let you guys slice open his face out of pure dedication
Same lmao
same
Same
We were clock baited
Same, very dissapointed with this clickbait lol
It’s so refreshing when you see ppl especially experienced adults, still getting excited, and acting like a child when doing the career they love. It adds extra passion and quality to the thing they produce
Adam Savage and Wren both really bring that energy, and I'm here for it!
i adore how giddy Adam gets when projects work out
@@Catnippy You can use Adam to power a small town when he is exited about things.
it adds meaning to life, we all should be so lucky
So you're saying it's childish to be excited?
This could be a whole series of practical versus CG. You could have even guests come in to add their specialties or recreate their shots on time and money budgets.
Yes that would be so fun to watch!
They'd probably make bank if they gave some free episodes and then put the rest on their website behind the paywall.
Would I’ve to see this kind of stuff!!!
This
Yeashhh!!
THIS needs to be an actual show “VFX vs Real”. This was really fun.
With Adam Savage as co-host.
It's not even close to fair when the CGI team gets to watch the practical effects team first and then emulate their real-life model. Bullshit...
@@djhenyo but that happens like...all the time in vfx industry.
@@shortbusheros4 but that means like...you gotta count extra time on CGI team
@@djhenyo but it’s obviously much more difficult to replicate. plus, in future vids, they both could just be given a goal to complete rather than to copy something
I think the biggest thing that makes practical effects stand out is the reactions from everyone involved. The genuine surprise from the blood splattering on the face of the guy holding Adam really sells the scene in my opinion
So true raven
For sure, the biggest advantage that practical effects have is that they are actually present. Both in terms of reactions from the actors and in terms of believability.
Reminds me of the filming of the Hobbit where Sir Ian McKellen got really upset because he had to constantly film greenscreen scenes in isolation
Yeah, Wren's reaction was gold
oh for sure ideally, a mix of both would be perfect. practical for a base, VFX to fix any small issues.
Wren's expressions when being splattered with blood is so convincing like "man i CAN'T believe you messed me up too"
ya really good shot & he didn't break character
Wrens expression of the blood getting on his face is just perfect, his shocked expression is great and how he changes back to being serious is just amazing
Was thinking the same thing, love that commitment.
Good acting.
That's why sometimes they do things in filming without telling the actors beforehand that it's going to happen to get a genuine reaction.
I think actually having the real splatter makes the actor react with a better timing as its all down to micro seconds differences.
It really sold it even more. Great stuff.
This should be a whole series. Both sides having experts in their crafts, and both having such a clear respect for each other. I could watch this all day long
This could be a TV show.
I want them to take it a step further, and maybe make their own low-budget miniseries they could post on their Corridor channel. Maybe a series that gets a new chapter every few months or so. Hell they could keep it simple and have them playing action versions of themselves like they did for this short bit
Coining it: "Savageverse" also Jamie shows up in season 4
Not only that, I want extended cuts
I wonder how long it would have taken them, if they first did the digital. They kinda had a head start, because they could see and use the practical footage. But I totally agree with the end-conclusion: the mixture of practical and vfx is the best.
They also had the knife already made, which they didn't count against the digital like they did for the practical.
5his. if they didn't have anything to go by. also the acting from. the practical is better cause the blood hitting gives u a better reaction
@@ImminDragon That is something they didn't take into account. Both shots required specific made props, the digital prop was just more simplistic.
The same could be said for how the vfx would have more time if they included the sourcing of the knife
@@ImminDragon To be fair, thats like 5 minutes on the grinding wheel. Its a nonissue. Most of the build time was actually engineering the moving tip and attaching the bleed device.
Adam and Wren flinching back from the actual blood splattering their face really was the lynchpin, wasn't it? It sold that hit so well!
I’d love to see the reverse of this where you guys create a vfx shot and set the time limit. And Adam has to match it practically
TOTALLY
This. So much this!
Corridor: *vfx shot of meteor destroying city* Adam: *destroys new york with paper mache meteor*
@@kaeviason7476 Make it like a city block getting wrecked somehow, and that would work perfectly. With the guys’ expertise in 3D printing and Adam’s expertise in miniatures this could be absolutely amazing.
This!!
Holy cow. Wrens reaction was absolutely phenomenal. He seems so genuinely disgusted and shocked about the blood being on him for just the right amount of time and then immediately snaps right back into bad guy mode and even tightens his grip on Adam. Really great stuff
Absolutely Wren's reaction is what sells the practical one - it feels authentic. Would really like to know what the additional VFX time was to patch up the dodgy knife tip to hit the perfect hybrid shot.
Its bcoz he IS DISGUSTED he didnt expect the blood to splat that much on his face...crazy stuff love it!
This is really what absolutely sells the practical version. Even great actors have the hardest time reacting to imaginary things. Reactions are probably the hardest part of an actors job.
The reaction he gives has such a primal anger to it. If we didn't know it was a performance, I would 100% he was about to kill Adam
I definitely think that cleaned up practical takes the cake, mostly for Wren's reaction. He had no idea he was going to get splattered, and all the subsequent takes that reaction never seems to match the utter surprise in that first shot.
Especially because he immediately came back in with a grimace. That's really what sold his reaction for me. His genuine surprise followed by angry henchman without missing a beat.
I couldn't get over wren's facial expressions cause they we're so good
That absolute level of disgust brings SO much to the shot.
@@evylinredwood it totally does! he looks absolutely offended the very first time he gets the blood on his face
DO MORE of THIS. Amazing! You have a TON of content about that
Indeed! That was a trip!
Yes!! This could definitely become a fascinating & popular new segment of CGI v Practical.
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I think my favorite part of the practical is the flash of just *disgust* that shows on Wren's face when the blood hits him. It's such a minor movement, one that he probably didn't even realize he did, but like they were saying at the end it's so much more real for it.
Agreed. That small, momentary shock is hard to replicate. Additionally, I love his grimace after that, where he has to go back into mean tough guy mode.
Absolutely agree.
@@nadamada8328 It is really difficult to sell a surprise reaction to something that you actually *know* is coming. Either giving it away by 'reacting' before you would conceivably have been able to, or having such a delayed reaction that it feels forced. That's for sure always going to be a strength of practical effects, that the actor will have a mostly genuine reaction to an actual event.
Ye
Same, I love the squinting
You know. I think the BIGGEST difference here is how much fun they had in the practical shot vs how much stress the VFX artist was experiencing trying to match the time. I think stress and time constrains would be the biggest factor in this competition.
Practical take 1 might be my new all time favourite blood splatter. The pattern, the timing, the reaction, everything just came together in pure perfection!
Wren's reaction in the practical scene sells it, the man knows how to act, his reaction to the blood splatter is perfect, half second of "UGH!" and then right back to being the baddies minion
That's what's really cool. It's barely acting. He actually reacted to something being splattered on his face and let his guard down for a bit.
Yes, I agree.
yeah, and I really like how he keeps looking between adam and niko
I love the point brought up in this video about practical effects having an impact on performance. Wren has made it so clear.
Absolutely. Also when they compare it to the original shot, it really shows why Jack Nicholson is a famous actor and Adam Savage is not, lol.
A collaboration of different VFX generations! You can tell Adam and Corridor really have a fun synergy about them!
The fact SoCloseToToast watches Corridor is so fkn awesome Keep it up bro love the vids. It's like two icons giving respect where respect is due.
I feel like Adam and the Corridor Digital guys we see on camera have a very similar vibe and energy level. The synergy is so good. We need more collaboration videos from these guys!
Esh
Lol been watching you for years
you're so fucking annoying
Adam seems like the funnest guy to be around. Even back in Mythbusters, his childlike wonder and passion are so inspiring!
@6:44 "under the most egregious duress" is a phrase with such a lovely texture.
This might be too complicated, but the face melting scene from Raiders of the Lost Ark would make an excellent practical/digital test.
Upvote on this one
YES PLEASE
Practical could just be different colored layers of wax, I think it would be a totally doable video
Except that the original scene is not a classical "practical effect" as it does involve camera trickery and was not done live on set. Live on set with other actors reacting is I think what the boys are thinking. Just my opinion.
Or the rapid aging scene from the last crusade.
It’s amazing you guys have developed a relationship with Adam. So cool seeing a childhood hero working with my favourite creators
He’s their childhood hero too. It’s so wholesome!
I still put on Mythbusters whenever I'm just hanging around the house or to put it on in the background while I'm doing something. Kids don't know what they are missing out on. I miss Mythbusters, Modern Marvels, How it's Made etc. actual educational television.
@@Bonesawisready926 even kids shows have changed. They used to have some kind of structure from episode to episode, and they were usually written by comedians or really smart people. Nowadays we’ve got Baby Shark and JoJo Siwa
@@jarvalicious4908 I showed my nephew what I grew up with and he hated the shit. That broke my heart when I showed him the Justice Society America episode of the Justice League cartoon (which made me cry as a kid because of John Stewart's arc in that episode) and he lost interest 10 minutes in. I don't think dumbing down kid's entertainment is necessarily going to have a good effect.
@@Bonesawisready926 oh holy shit yes. That’s such a good example
You can get some really good stuff with VFX, but that practical effect as an aid for the acting just really shows. Wren's face when he gets splattered with blood is absolutely visceral and genuine and I love it.
9:54 You can REALLY see the difference in ren's acting because in one you're getting your face covered in blood and in the other neither of you are.
The satisfied laughter of Adam after seeing a project come together is just such a joy every time. Great video guys!!
my favorite part of the video is his laugh
I love seeing Adam so genuinely excited to hang out and create with the Corridor people. The two of you share the same boundless enthusiasm for *process* and artistry, but counterbalance each other perfectly with your respective fields and experience. This isn't just production, it's *play* - and to me that's the essence of creating art. Hope to see much more Adam content in the future, not just for my enjoyment, but clearly Adam's as well. Such genuine work, folks - great job!
If Jake didn’t break down the guillotine Adam Savage would’ve been the perfect guest star
Came in comments to say exactly this. Adam is such a genuine person that's really excited about what he does. It's a joy to watch him together with Niko and Wren.
I absolutely loved this video. The fact that everyone had so much fun doing it just makes it even better. This definitely needs to become a regular thing.
I just re-watched this video 'cause I absolutely love not only the collaboration of Corridor and Adam, but the duality of practical vs digital. Dissecting practical stunts/effects is super fun and recreating it is a very interesting. I'm sure it's crossed everyone's minds at Corridor, but I do miss this. Adam seemed super enthusiastic about doing another and I think everyone in the audience wants to see more as well.
Watching the pure joy and fun that Adam is having with these guys is so special, they have great chemistry. Not a single ounce of passion has dwindled for the industry in all his years, that's magic
This needs to be an actual series. A collab between Corridor Digital and Adam Savage where you guys compete in every episode to see who can create the best special effects. I would absolutely watch the s*** out of that show! You can even bring in guest artists in both practical and digital effects. Please make this happen!
Same
Competition and difference in approach; PLUS, at the end, colab. Like in this one. I'd also like more details on the process of digital FX. Adam went in (almost) step-by-step detail, in his video.
Million dollar idea. Streaming services would prob pick that up ngl
Yeeeesss, I thought the exact same thing when Adam said it was the most fun he's had in a while. That would be so fun to watch.
Yes, this! They could call it "Corridor Tested"
This was so awesome! As someone who really loves physical effects actually seeing how they compare with digital through the eyes of production and not just results was really neat. And the practical with finishing effects is just so clean and makes my heart happy. You’ve gotta do this again!
This is so great! I loved how Wren was struggling not to smile during filming. I want more of this! I love the combination of practical and digital, it's a huge part of why productions like the LotR series and the Jurassic Park series were as beautiful as they were! You all implemented that beautifully! You guys with Adam are the PERFECT combination! 🥰
I'm sold on this being a fully produced series! The first two acts of every episode is all about building the effects, the design process, hiccups and breakthroughs, the third act is bringing them together, showing it off, and pointing out the advantages and setbacks of both methods. Really brings back my nostalgia of Mythbusters.
I'd be over the moon for that. The last time I actually tuned in to broadcast TV was to watch face off on Syfy. It's been years! If this was coming out as a series, I wouldn't even need these particular guys. You could pit random Digital and practical VFX studios and workshops against one another even. I wouldn't care if it was smaller names we never heard of or Weta vs ILM, I'm sure it'd be captivating all the same.
Came to the comments section to say this.. hope they can work it into their schedules cause I feel this would be huge with Adam’s Mythbuster fan base
all it takes is adams laugh
i was the 1 mil commenter
Would love see more of this!
Hey Elca! Awesome seeing you here duder. :D
Probably my favorite corridor video so far. I’d love a series like this with you guys and Adam.
I totally agree, it's not about one technique over the other but recognising the strengths and weaknesses of each medium and using them accordingly/ in conjunction.
This video had me smiling so much :D
It wasn't just me! Smiling like a kid!
yeah fr
Adam just has a smiling kind of energy
Lol it’s soo good I almost forgot I was at work on my lunch break until the end of it. Definitely need a whole sub series or at least parts 2-100 in the future soon 👌🏾
Future serial killer?
There is something magical seeing Adam with all his experience and passion for practical effects with people that has the same amount of passion and energy for VFX just going at it. The chemistry between these people is just perfect, cause they are so alike. The absolute joy when seeing something cool, the need to figure something out and the ability to not only do things well, but also explain it well due to their understanding of their craft and experience. I for one toss another vote in for more Practical vs Digital!
Honestly, one of the best vids I've seen on KZhead. This was really fun and you guys should definitely do a series of these VFX vs PRACTICAL experiments!!
Can I just say how good everyone's acting in this was. Especially Adams glare before the knife slashes his nose and Rens reaction to the blood and mean look as he struggles to hold Adam.
The mythbusters crew remain as the coolest people to me to this day. I always admire people who can build stuff that works.
Same here, I love getting to see Adam Savage more!
Hearing Adam say that this is the most fun he's had in a while warms my heart. You guys mean a lot to us, even to the ones you guys look up to! ♥
My suggestion for digital versus practical: human body through glass window. Excited for the next one. Good luck.
I hope these two channels and all those behind them just go on to collaborate until they're done with the platform! I love seeing these guys together!
This is an awesome collaboration! I love seeing both sides of the effects process!
Wait, what are you doing here? Love the nerf community commenting!
Yoooo OOD!!!
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I would love to see more of this! One note: I think next time you shouldn't show the practical shot to the VFX artist before they do their take. Having the practical take as a reference gives the vfx artist a big advantage
It would be really interesting to see how the shots differ from one another when there's the guesswork involved with the VFX without the practical reference.
I didn’t consider this, but yeah having them have to find their own reference is much more authentic…
Good point!
I was thinking the same. Or give one guy the reference, while another uses his imagination. Could be cool! But that's another body needed ha.
Yes!
I love this exploration of resolutions to visual effects! Both techniques are complex and amazing in their own way. I would love to see more of this in the future videos :)
having Adam savage himself tell you that your work is amazing and that he'd love to do more in the future as a graphics artist must be possibly the highest praise you could ever receive
Love AS - He can literally do an hour video talking about sorting screws and I will watch it. He has such passion and it comes across in everything he does.
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@@lx4302 yes
@@moseszero3281 i literally have watched him doing a 3 hour video of hitting a big ball of tin foil and it was fantastic
This is what cgi is really good at, not replacing everything but enhancing what is there Making a prop look more like the real thing
well, I'm sure that cgi helps when it comes to large scale effects. E.g Apocalypse type effects (tsunami, earthquake etc). Where I think practical effects really enhances the situation is how there's less confusion in knowing what the end product of a scene is meant to be.
Exactly they work great hand in hand, I was recently watching Dead Meats interview with Tom Savini (the God of Practical Effects) who was the SFX Supervisor on The Black Phone and even he says his team does CG to enhance things, or do something quicker and wishes that we had this technology back in the day, because it really does help using them both hand in hand, both effects have pros and cons
@@saent5368 I wish more people jumped onto the way Peter Jackson did LotR with "big-atures". The scene that comes to mind particularly is the flooding of Isengard. They actually did that. Water sims are close to being realistic, but there is still a ways to go when it comes to micro-interactions. Though there are plenty of examples of things that could never have been done practically.
Tested + Corridor Crew = perfect and fun! I would love to see more crossovers with all of you fine folks!
This is such a great example of how practical and cgi can work together in conjunction to enhance an effect. There are drawbacks to both, with ofc the positives, and being able to combine them together helps sell it more than ever. A radical time
I think you nailed it when noticing the performance/acting difference - - that's what sells practical for me. The actors react genuinely and everything looks real as a result.
I was just thinking the other day about how acting these days seems so much harder. So much VFX in post, and tons of green screen. They're basically playing pretend on set and selling it
@@kylespevak6781 and failing way too often. The requirements went up, the artist skills remained the same, the final effect got worse.
The scene in Aliens when the chest burster gets introduced comes to mind. The actors around the table didn't know what was about to happen, that's genuine fear and alarm you're seeing.
@@sharpfang I'd disagree. A LOT of movies use CG that you never notice. Set extensions, landscapes, etc. Interacting with CG characters will always be tough, but you have to consider that the actor is usually in some studio with a half built set, and they're selling it like they're in another world. It's also like how movies aren't shot in scene order, they usually do all the scenes that take place in one location together. So that could mean having to shoot the calm beginning and extreme climax back to back. Having to switch is crazy
Yeah, this is the one thing that no matter how good VFX gets, it will never be able to match practical effects at. Tbf though Adam and Wren are not actors, real actors would have been able to sell the VFX shot much better.
I was thinking that Adam would be a great guest for the Noob-does-CGI series, but then I thought "nah, he'd just disassemble the computer and make the sistine chapel out of the parts"
It's so much fun seeing how much fun Mr. Savage was having with this challenge. Assuming it wasn't faking of course, but it certainly seemed genuine.
Vex are great but the hardest part is always interacting with actors . I think they both have their practical places.
Two things: 1.) I would actually argue the thing that gave away the digital effect was the extension of the knife's tip as it went into the nose. Something wasn't quite right there, though it's tough for me to put my finger on *what*. 2.) The next *obvious* choice for this series (which is genuinely AWESOME, btw) is a a bullet-to-body impact squib vs GCI shot. It's more blood, but there's a lot going on with a character shooting another character, which could make it a pretty interesting "competition."
Totally agree on point 1. There's something off about the knife blade. Now if you didn't know it was coming and were watching it for the first time I think it would be fine but when you focus on it... 🙂
To your suggestion for the next challenge: 100% on board with you. The shot should definitely also feature a angle of the muzzleflash
Oh I see ED-209 in the future!
I wonder if it's the shadow that doesn't look right. They can be hard to do, especially in a short time
The blood coming down the knife before Adam has reacted (because he was reacting to the slice, not the poke) was a really weird choice. It's adding a layer to the injury that wasn't there in the Chinatown shot or their practical remake.
Every single time the practical shot was shown all I could look at was Wrens reaction. It is just such a good reaction. Both him and Adam are stunned and then when Adam starts to struggle you can see Wren holds him back and his face just tightens. So good.
Yeah, I loved that too. Wrens acting was on point for this
Love how the practical shot, got blood on both. Practical for me will always be preferred. But like another comment I saw, a hybrid shot would be awesome. The acting from the actors would be authentic and easier for them to play out but with the render of visual would give it more (don’t think I worded this great lol)
This was such an awesome video! Such a cool concept! Hope to see many more. Adam Savage as always, the greatest of personalities.
The camaraderie that formed between Adam and the Corridor Crew is so profound and I'm glad to have witnessed it.
This collab was awesome.
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@@hman6159 I agree
Surely bring Adam back and a a full film using a hybrid of practical and digital effects and see if viewers can notice the difference! Absolutely loved the video!
Practical vs Digital: EXPLOSIONS ! ! !
This has a lot of mythbustery vibes, setting up a question about something and finding out the answer as an exploration by doing the thing with skilled people explaining all the pitfalls. So satisfying
Hybrid take (practical plus cleanup) was by FAR the superior take. I think there's always going to be a place for both practical AND advanced digital effects. Using them both to good effect yields AMAZING results.
Nah, they just need to practice more, reposition Adam´s head, shot the knife insertion from another angle, etc. Chinatown made it all practical and it´s flawless
When done well, the 2 methods are so so so complimentary, especially for exaggerated effects! It's so cool to see the individual comparisons next to the hybrid.
@@macacofrito flawless except for that frame that let Adam recreate the effect in the first place
@@ducksinarow4958 i mean if there is a mistake in 1 frame, it's not much of a mistake
yup. full digital can look corny, end full practical has lots of limitations
This is SUCH a fun challenge!!! Please do more practical vs vfx competitions with Adam
This is exactly what I'm doing my research project on for Year 12 at school. A perfect source. Personally I prefer practical effects but there are definitely times that call for digital.
like Jay from Red Letter Media said on their last video, is so much interesting to watch pratical effects being made than digital ones
Both can be absolutely mind blowing, I love stuff like this
crazy that i watched that video, watched chinatown because i was interested, and i the past 2 days have seen 3 different references to chinatown.
@@zestyorangez It's such a surreal feeling when that happens, isn't it? When that happens to me, it really makes me start wondering about the "we live in a simulation" theory...
@@zestyorangez I feel these happen very often, and I think it's because we are all connected and follow people with similar interests there's common nuclei topics that spread. So there was probably a reference to Chinatown somewhere a couple weeks ago, and now it's in the minds of people.
I like RLM well enough but "Jay from Red Letter Media" isn't quite on the same level as, say, Scorsese adding his voice to the conversation
Wow, I'm so impressed! One digital effect that breaks immersion for me almost every time is rubble/rocks scattering. They feel too weightless and clean, at least in my opinion. Would be really neat to see the real vs digital take on that :)
Dude, a rock fall/slide would almost be perfect for something like this.
**picks up a styrofoam boulder prop and lobs it at you**
that's funny because I think it's difficult for practical effects where people are involved with rocks as well. they just bounce off of the actors, breaking immersion for me
that is a good idea but lets be realistic, if it took adam 2 hours to make that knife how long do you think it would take him to make a bunch of fake foam rocks? the actor performance will definitely be better with foam
The other thing is they don't break either, they stay the same shape
Over the last few days I’ve been on Freddie’s channel node and here and it’s making me sad for a happier time in my life but now Adam savage is here too
Adam is always so encouraging I love his attitude
I feel like with a small effect like this it makes sense to go with Practical. For the next one you should look at something like explosions or destruction. Compare miniatures to VFX and see which one wins
No, it makes sense to go with a mixture as they say in the video - there are inevitable little issues you end up having to fix in post (in this case fixing the slight but visible wobble of the knife tip, or adding extra blood spatter, etc).
So adam blows something off and they need to better. Im sure kari and tory would love to help
Miniatures look 100% better than CGI
I cannot stress enough how much I need this to be an entire series!
I second this, please create a thing I can spend all my producer credits on to get this made
So glad I watched Adam’s video first!! Awesome collaboration! 👍🏽
YOU GUYS NEED TO DO MORE THINGS LIKE THIS WITH ADAM, im sure he would love to
For a practical vs digital idea, try doing a missing limb. Really curious to see the differences in the approach, and the pros and cons with each method
Or a Scanners exploding head :)
I was going to come suggest this! Absolutely missing limb would be a cool challenge.
another huge advantage of the practical effect, specifically for this challenge: Adam got 40 minutes of cool footage of him making the prop while Fenner clicked on a computer for three hours.
thats a very good point! RedLetterMedia actually mentioned something like this in their Roger Rabbit review. Practical effects are always more fun to watch Behind the Scenes of, compared to vfx.
@@ryancarrell3186 vfx can be interesting as well, but it has to be made and presented as so because it is abstract. Practical can be immediately observed, vfx has to take extra effort to capture and visualize the thought process of the vfx artist.
Thankx for breaking it down.. great tutorial for beginners
Adam seems like such a genuine person with genuine reactions to stuff, and his view of practical vs digital is perfect: combine the best of both worlds! He didn't see his world being challenged by SFX, he saw an opportunity for collaboration to make a product better than what either could do alone. God I miss Mythbusters...
It’s so cool you guys are helping out a guy like Adam I feel like one day he’ll blow up and get a tv show or something
Blow up and get a TV show where he can blow stuff up maybe
A great idea for a show would be where they test out old myths and see if they are true or not.
@@phlongus Yeah 'Fairy tale bangers' or something...
@@richardtucker5938 or rumorbreaker
@@sadflix8754 Legendsmasher (these both sound like swords lol)
Please start a practical vs visual effects series with Adam! There are soooo many cool things you could try!
I really like this approach. Practical effects as the base tend to look best. Digital sis for what you can't do practically or for cleanup to make the practical effects look even better.
I love how the thumbnail and title both imply that you actually cut Adam Savage's nose, no fake knife.
The thing you haven't mentioned is that, the VFX done would have looked very different if they hadn't had the physical effects to base it on.
They didn't mention it because every decent vfx team would spend the 3 minutes it takes to make and splash fake blood on someones face to get reference, and no matter what they'd need a prop knife for the film, which would give them reference.
@@ArrKayCee That's true, but to have the exact same lighting conditions and the practical effect right there as cross reference is a pretty big advantage.
@@thejagman22 and also takes longer
It's possible to say that Adam saved them time by providing the reference shot that they used and needed to get the virtual one right.
@@dagonzalez1757 In spite of that, some kind of practical stand-in for what will eventually be a complete digital recreation is often shot on set - this is massively helpful for referencing lighting, some movement and gives the actors something to work with, too. It could even shorten the amount of time the digital recreation takes overall because may eliminate some of the guesswork on the part of the VFX artists.
Since miniatures are one of Adam's past jobs, it would be interesting to see a miniature setup or built, lit and shot vs a digital version. Not sure if having a pre-built model would work better (like the Jurasic Park Jeeps you did) or a scratch build.
yeah and blowing up the miniatures, since real fire is usually beter
I love the hybrid version and i hope if you continue the series you continue to show what it can do in comparison to "purist" versions. Also it would be nice to know how much time they take.
Y’all have so much respect for each other
You know how in western movies when there’s a big bar fight and the final shot is someone getting thrown through a window. I feel like that shot of someone getting thrown through a window would be awesome to test practical and digital. With practical you can talk about sugar glass, framing, and stunt work. As opposed to with digital there is 3-D renders and lighting and fluid motion of breaking glass. There’s a lot of challenges on both ends that I think will make a really interesting competition.
Yeah. Although I hope they won't try and match it exactly. Both digital and practical allow for very different types of shots, it would be cool to also have that highlighted. Anyway, this has a lot of potential for many more videos of the like and I'm definitely looking forward to that.
Practical is 1000% better though so it isn't as much of a challenge.
@@Idiomatick I mean sure you can say that but you can’t say that for sure. That’s why it should be tested.
@@Idiomatick idk, is it really?
@@milddiffuse Fake broken glass costs nothing to setup, works perfectly, and has been readily available for decades. Studios that do lots of stunts will have a big supply of them on hand because they are used so often. There is no reason to go digital for a glass break in 90% of shots. The only time digital glass is used is if there can't be glass there for some other logistical reason, or if they want the glass to break in a specific way (like in a slomo)
(8:07) The emotion in this scene is so good The way Wren's face turns from "Do it" to disgusted to kinda angry Adam's look of genuine terror Niko's "Imma kill you" attitude It all blends together into a perfectly played scene
Though I'll point out that this scene almost highlights my least favorite part about the practical shot: there's almost no blood on Adam's actual nose where the "wound" would be, where the digital immediately covers it up in a bloody, gorey mess. Pausing at 8:15, you can see his nose is completely clean (and of course in one piece). It's not super visible when viewed in real time, but that's mostly just due to the shock and drama of the moment, not because it's actually that hard to notice if you're looking closer.
@@Kurse_of_Kall I think the second practical take looked better as far as blood placement
Love these videos with the man the myth the legend Adam savage. My favourite cross overs
I love these team ups! Thanks guys!
I’m genuinely so excited both corridor crew and Adam are starting to do more stuff together because it’s two worlds/two channels I’ve been a fan of for years coming together to just inspire, teach, and entertains an insane number of people. ITS AWESOME!
me too! dude its got me obsessed (in a good way) about learning to add some CG to what i do
My favorite thing about this "timed trial" match up is that Adam is so used to working with aluminum and resin and whatnot that he forgot one of the chief properties of steel going into this build, which cost him a ton of time. And he STILL came out ahead on the timer. With a softer metal or a resin cast of a prop, any time you cut a section off of your workpiece you will loose the small kerf of material where your cutting tool passed through the work piece, so if you want a tight fit and a seamless join in a two-piece prop you have to "donate" the tip from a second piece and sand/grind the adjoining surfaces to fit together properly. But hardened steel, like that in these knife blades, is very very difficult to cut through, as it's HARD and a little brittle. If you want a seamless joint on a thin steel prop, it's better to SNAP the blade where it needs to separate. A clean break will need minimal-to-no grinding to fit back on seamlessly, with no material lost to a kerf. If you watch his video, you see that Adam spent one *entire hour* of his build time struggling with cutting the two steel blades and grinding the mating surfaces of the base blade and donated tip to fit to each other, whereas the propmaker in the 1970s probably just clamped the tip of one blunted knife in a vice, whacked it sideways with a mallet to break it off, then continued building. He could have easily completed the build in less time if he'd started with the simpler method. The corridor boys benefited from that lapse in judgement TWICE, in that it gave them more time at home for computer wizardry and in that Adam was kind enough to give them the other tipless knife for shooting their VFX plate. On a more even playing field the boys would have had to remove the tip of a knife for their own shoot themselves and add that workshop time in, or find a suitable stand-in that they'd have to roto out and replace with a CGI knife later.
Thats interesting. A snapped blade would probably have less of the jiggling problem that the practical shot had as it wouldn't be smooth or an arced cut and so would hold together with friction better. I wonder if the broken and then mated faces would do the springing action stuff well enough though.
yeah, definitely make more of these.
we NEED more of this concept