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2023 ж. 30 Қаз.
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Night Vision: It’s a crazy superpower instrumental in the success of our modern warfighters, looks cool in movies, and elevates the night hunting and shooting experience. Mounted to your face or rifle, there’s no question it is insanely awesome. Is it expensive? Yes. Do you want it? Yes. But is it worth it? Vortex Edge® instructor Mike Griffin joins Mark Boardman and Jimmy Hamilton to answer this very question.
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I find that night vision really works depending what you're trying to achieve. If it's divorce, you absolutely need a top dollar gear.
I have been getting by with the lower end just fine, with the IR N/V, no names, and also ATN and AGN thermals, I'm still in the house, but get to go outside to use it also :)
Opportunity missed: Nods or Nah
I love “or nah” keeps coming back after I asked about marks beard last year 😂😂
I would say: if youre asking if its worth it, its probably not for you. Its pretty damn exensive, if we just say $3,500 for a monocular thats equivilent to a lot of ammunition for your rifle and pistol. NV is basically a superpower you can buy, but its certainly priced like a superpower.
It's worth it
@@justice3188 I agree, as long as whoevers getting into it knows how much of a money pit their digging into. If they get a weird feeling in their wallet at the cost of a $3,500 monocular or a $2,000 LAM then they should reconsider what theyre jumping into.
Great topic. Super fun
Loving that picture of George Costanza in the background lol
Love yalls videos. You should see the white deer I harvested!
Thank you 😊
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What’s with the picture of Jason Alexander on the shelf?
Issue with thermal is its blind to some barriers. You can't see through glass so if someone's hiding in a car or house you'd never see them from the outside.
110% worth it! Love mine, and I got a MAWL to go with it
To be completely honest, I use my night vision to larp in my underwear around the house . Making up hypothetical if I was ever in a situation I had to use night vision indoors.
I have a couple pulsar thermals. They are amazing. You can not hide from thermal, you have to physical hide behind something. There is no lag and there is always a difference in temperature between objects. In my house which is obviously climate controled I can see the studs in my walls due to the difference in temp of the studs transferring to the sheetrock. The sensitivity of these thermals are so sensitive I can see corn in a deer feeder and propane in a tank.
You need to relabel your podcasts to 45min podcasts instead of 10min talks just saying 😊
@@WombatInABox no I have made that comment before about that
I recently got into NODs, and I went with a decent tube (high FoM Photonis ECHO white phos (because I can't legitimately get L3 or Elbitz up here) in a Tanto housing, and full out Cadex mount (think "Made in Canada" Wilcox but better). Somthing good that I can learn to use NV with that I'm not fighting MY EQUIPMENT to use.
Newer High FOM Photonis Echo tubes are alot better than you think. Theyre downplayed for reasons I really dont understand because theyre not "gen 3" or called "Poortonis" when my photons tube costed me more than my L3 Omni 8 tube which super exceeds min DoD specs. Here's the differences I noticed between my Photonis Tube and my L3 tube. Right away, it's gain and low light. Yes, the Gen 3 does "better". Both will struggle Indoors with little to no ambient light and both will need IR. Since I have a contract tube, and the specs sit close to min (although MOST specs on mine exceed it by alot, specially the SNR), Gen 3 devices can have alot more HALO in them. Every single light source has a ball of light around it and its kinda bother some with aiming with IR lasers. I see my laser dot, then a halo ring of light around it. It doesnt bother me too much, but I notice it. Photonis has MUCH faster auto gating and I dont really hear it auto gate, where as I do with my L3 tube. Kinda annoying, but not a big deal. I noticed with a thin filmed and even worse with filmless tubes, in Gen 3 (All photonis tubes are filmless - people dont know that. Read their white paper on that) If you stare at a light source too long, it kinda ghosts into your tube and you see these squiggles all around your tube. Kinda like burn lines - but they go away after about 3-5 mins. I never noticed that with my Photonis tube. Here's how I break down "Photonis" over a Gen 3 tube like "Elbit" or "L3" - if you live in a very urban area? Photonis will do you SOO well. You dont have to worry about that lower photocathode sensitivity and gain and youll see in the dark just as well as someone with Gen 3. Your Halo will be alot better than some Gen 3s out there - if that matters to you or not. Ive learned to let it go so it doesnt matter to me unless its REALLY bad and ive seen tubes where its kinda bad. If you live in more rural areas or even an urban area surrounded by alot of rural areas, gen 3 will be better for you. But are you missing out on Gen 3 at this point in time with what Photonis is putting out to market? Not alot really. The biggest one really is just photocathode sensetivity and gain. Gen 3 is just so much bright and alot more sensitive but if I lowered the gain on my tube just little bit and said "tell me which one is the L3 tube", you wouldnt know. Only when I max out my gain, youll know
Anyone with Sionyx opsin experience is it good to go? Or is a pvs 14 a better choice
It just doesn't go down to the lowest light levels. On the other hand, it has a much better IR response.
I didnt even start watching the podcast yet....yes - it's worth every penny. I paid a few thousand dollars to literally see in the dark
For the poors like me i got pvs7s and absolutely love them. Yes they are not the cool high speed flip to side set ups the seals use but their still night vision and they rule.
Hot take: lasers are to night vision as flamethrowers are to thermal.
It used to be… IR owns the night now.. depends what you are hunting…
you mean thermal? Cause night vision sees IR...
There's a reason we did every combat mission we could at night. Still, that's going a little hard in the paint for a civilian.
Not all of us can be funded with stolen tax dollars to commit B&E in a foreign country.
Do you need it? Well thats always a per situation answer, however how many people do you know that have 2,3,4 of the same or nearly the same rifle set-ups instead of one solid rifle and NVG's. I bet those guys with multiple rifles are the ones saying they cant afford NVG's. I say that to say, 'to each their own'. Train with what you've got.
Time for a stupid (but genuine question). If you hit someone with 1000 lumens while they're wearing night vision goggles, do they automatically adjust or could it potentially hurt their eyes?
modern auto gain tubes adjust extremely quickly, white light is not the counter to NVGs especially if they have a FP LAM
Chances vortex sends me night vision 😅😂
My first set of nvg's ran me $22,000. I have had them for a little over a year but only started shooting with them since last month. I love night vision so its worth it for me. Most people would say just buy a car or a house. I just want to shoot under night visision.
Thermal clip on > nods Cheaper, often much better than night vision, cheaper
What thermal clip on product are you referring to? Brand and model?
@@BrimwaldIray rh25 640 good choice
@@Brimwald lray, agm there’s quite a few brands with these product from most economical to more premium. Granted, I’m speaking totally from ignorance. Haven’t bought either. But just from doing a cost to benefit analysis from the research I’ve done.
IRAY Rh25 is probably the best device on the market right now
Too expensive for my needs. Thankfully there is 3D printing
I want a great thermal scope with no bullshit frills. I don't care about blue tooth, video, etc. It needs to be simple and reliable... Then many on the edge of buying one would jump in.. It should then be cheaper and less problems.
Have you seen clip on thermals? I think they’re dope, that way you don’t have to have a dedicated thermal gun. Haven’t bought yet but
IRAY Rh25 is probably the best device on the market right now
Nightvision is best used for moving on foot or vehicle, I run 640 thermal and wp pvs14 on bridges
I kinda love regulation 18:06 "because there will soon be a work around to deal with them!" Every time they come up with something like radar., soon there will be a radar detector. The price goes down for all players in thier cat, and mouse games. All their regulations just makes us more advanced for cheaper. So please keep making up Unconstitutional laws. You are only making us all more efficient and effective for less!
Well, it’s worth it if your mom has a lights out in the basement rule at 9pm.
Probably not worth it at this time. I just saw some VERY recent digital night vision sensor data demonstrating a CMOS chip as good as, or even better (because in full color) than level 3 analog. Now I expect the first versions of this chip in a monocular or binocular will be pricey but it's a chip so cost, and price, will plunge quickly.
I see a lot of people at like Cabela's for example that go to buy night vision and ask the gun counter guy for the scope that highlights targets.....you mean thermal? you want thermal? no night vision, the one that shows body heat. o_o bruh
Simple answer:........if you can afford it
Tyoobs.
"10 Minute Talk" Yeah, sure...
Adding a capability to your kit does not make you capable. NVDs definitely are a valuable tool but, just like any other tool, they require training. The first time I tried walking with NVDs I looked like a new born fawn. Granted this was with late 90s versions of PVS-7Bs but, regardless, night vision has a definite learning curve. One drawback of NVDs is it wrecks your natural night vision. It’s been nearly a decade since I used NVDs extensively but there used to be a recommended limit to how long you use them. That’s why I prefer the monocular style PVS-14.
No not worth the prices
its hunting season... maybe post hunting related stuff instead of larping operator crap
Dude, a lot of people are in the firearms community who don't hunt much or at all and use guns primarily for self-defense and militia purposes.
You understand that lots of guys use night vision and thermals for hunting too, right?
@musicman1eanda yeah you're a larper
@@musicman1eanda very small percentage of hunters use thermal. night vision is worthless for hunting
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