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Rifle stock combs come in an array of heights. Why? Because a rifle’s comb height can be helping or hurting your shooting. Tune in as Mark Boardman, Jim Hamilton, and Ryan Muckenhirn talk through different comb height styles. Is your rifle set up, right? Tune in to find out.
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Ryan, @29:48 Thank you 👍🏻👊🏻 Thank you Greatly for mentioning Matthew's Fabrication Cheek Risers, i appreciate it. I mold my Cheek Risers to fit many different stocks width & contour to keep your eye centered with the Scope vertically & Horizontally & not extra bulky like other options, 😉 It's Bolt on, so its Rock Solid & one with the stock, very easy to install & not noisy like velcro can be, & has Rounded edges. Its only 4.7 ounces with the Quick Adjustment Knobs or 3.6 ounces with the Low Profile Allen Key Hardware on both sides. Made in America, in St George, Utah. Home of Long Range Shooters of Utah. Disabled Veteran Owned and Operated Thanks for your support. Sincerely, Matthew Matthew's Fabrication, LLC
Length of pull, comb height adjustment, and DBM(AICS style); should be absolute undeniable standards in a rifle stock from anyone these days. It can be done, affordably. MDT, Cascade, Bergara, etc.; these companies prove it can be done well within an affordable envelope for just about all income levels. I've been pissin' and moanin' about this for years to anyone who'd listen!
Outside of “too long” I’ve never found length of pull to matter much, particularly compared to comb height. I raise my comb height when needed with foam and gun tape and prefer this to factory adjustable comb height. My preferred is just having a scope appropriate stock that isn’t adjustable like what comes on certain weatherby rifles, I believe it’s a monte carlo style.
I’m passing on whole scale ACIS mags. They’re fine, sometimes preferable, on some rifles but I certainly wouldn’t want them on everything.
@@phild9813 the Monte Carlo style stocks are nice. I've been blessed with unfortunate 'T-rex' arms, so I find a lot of frustration with standard length-of-pull in most cases, and end up modifying my stocks.
Lol, trex arms! There’s never a one size fits all with things like stocks! It’s like getting clothing in one size to fit everyone. And then you throw personal preference on top of that! Makes me appreciate all the manufacturers and choices we have!
I want zero of those things on my rifles. It's not too hard to find a shape that fits with all the choices out there these days.
One of the best podcasts ever. Not only because it relates to a problem I deal with almost daily mounting scopes for people, but the sheer amount of confusion and hilarity caused by Mark’s stomach.
Preach brother! The struggle is as real as finding a comfortable mattress. We can put a man on the moon, and the industry hasn't solved this yet. This has me more frisky than a long tailed cat in a room full of rocking chairs! LOL
@@balaton1 Do you really believe there was a man on the moon? lol
Being over 6 feet tall, I have totally come to appreciate a stock that fits me like a glove. I relate 100% with Ryan’s frustration.. Mark and Jimmy always crack me up 😆
One of the best hunting/shooting related shows y’all always have so much information
To put it simply: most handguns come with adjustable backstraps, rifles should come with their equivilent which is LOP and comb height. And if a manufacturer is worried about cost and/or waste, then ship every rifle with a medium cheek piece and a medium LOP and sell other sized pieces, much like how P320s come from Sig with medium frames but small and large are offered. Unless a rifle actually comes with iron sights (which some do but its a mere handful of models in the sea of options) it should come ready for optic use.
I got a 30-06 Ruger american rifle. The first thing I changed was the stock. I ordered the Boyd's at-one stock, which has an adjustable comb height and length of pull. I absolutely love it. You should do a pod cast on after-market rifle stocks.( just a suggestion)
It mattered enough to me that I removed the cheek riser from my Tikka Varmint. was uncomfortable to get my head canted over for a proper sight picture.
Negative or positive comb angle is very important also, shooting some stocks can be like getting punched in the face.
Matthews fab has produced me many great cheek risers, super simple to turn a simple stock into a massively adjustable stock.
Matthews Fabrication is my buddy! Glad he's mentioned!
I really like the easy installation of the Matthew's Fabrication Cheek Riser that's molded to fit any one of my different stocks and gives me perfect sight picture immediately, especially when I need to see through the scope quickly. And he's a Disabled Veteran, support American Made products.
THANK YOU. This is one of my biggest pet peeves with rifles today.
Great topic! A little comment from a German Kalix CR2 owner, though. I had it installed on my wood stocked Heym SR30. I shoot the rifle with open sights and 2 different scopes, so having an adjustment option is very important. Heym does offer ian adjustment option from the factory, but the Kalix looks better, and this is also my comment: The CR2 does not have any kind of external adjustment knob or wheel. The hight is adjusted by slightly twisting the cheek piece to unlock it, and then it can be set at the desired hight. That means that in its collapsed position there is nothing visually disturbing the lines of the rifle, all that can be seen is the slim cut line. Keep up the good work. Waidmannsheil!
If you want to see what a nice walnut stock can look like with an adjustable comb, look at shotguns set up for trap shooting
I've heard you guys and other talk about proper cheek height being a key contributor to all the points you made for a little while now. So, I checked my rifles, and sure enough, if i have a good cheek weld, my eye is aligned with my bases, under the scope. So, starting with my Savage Mark II, i bought some kydex on Amazon, made myself a pattern, and went to town making my own Mathews Fabrication style cheek riser. It made a night and day difference. It's so nice to be comfrtably aligned with the optic. Now I'm planning on putting them on all of my rifles.
Thanks for basing your Cheek Risers off the American Made Disabled Veteran Owned & Operated Matthew's Fabrication Cheek Riser. I've been saying it since I first started that Archery shooters use an anchor point for accurate shooting & just like rifle shooting, you need a Cheek Riser for Perfect Eye alignment with your Scope to Stay On Target & have Perfect Eye alignment with your Scope. Sincerely, Matthew (two T's please) Matthew's Fabrication, LLC Disabled Veteran Owned and Operated American Made in St George, Utah Home of Long Range Shooters of Utah
I did by one off amazon to, i did not remember the brand of it so i looked it up, turns out it is a matthew's
@oliviermorneau2819 Heck Yeah, Thanks for your business, we truly appreciate it. Sincerely, Matthew Matthew's Fabrication, LLC Matthew's Cheek Riser
Educational and entertaining. Solid work as always.
In my opinion, PSE composites make the finest rifle stocks in the world. I have a handful of their E-Tac stocks and one of their new Evolution stocks. They really nailed the comb adjustment, while maintaining the insanely light overall mass. I'd love if you guys checked them out!
@pseriflestocks
Important and timely subject. Excellent pod. If one runs irons i love the wood stocks on say the Ruger Hawkeye are wonderful and excellent. Outside of that the industry has fallen face flat mostly when it comes to proper comb height. If your only making rifles without iron sights get with the program and set them up correctly
Good job, Mark, Jim and Ryan on this topic👍🏻👍🏻
I absolutely despise having to move my head around to see through a scope, i bought a cheap kydex adjustable comb riser to put on my savage mark2(the original comb height is awfully low on it), changed the gun completely, i also tend to prefer scopes with a more forgiving eye box for the same reason, being able to "snap shoot" easily is more important to me than image quality
Bring back the vortex viper pst gen-1 2.5-10x32 FFP. For the love of god!
10 minute talks or one podcast about the following; 284 Winchester 280 remington 6.5x284 280AI
Great discussion on an often overlooked issue. For cheap polymer stocks, I have successfully used a piece of foam insulation meant for 3/4" water pipes. I trim a piece to about 4" long and the width to fit nicely over the comb. I then use an Uncle Mikes slip on butt stock shell holder to hold the foam in place. It's cheap and works like a charm. It greatly improved fit and feel on a Savage Axis.
Doode! That's exactly what I'm gonna try. Just got a CVA Cascade 22-250 and slapped a strike eagle on it w/ low rings. Fits the rifle well, but not me. I need the face of Bert from Bert and Ernie to get into the eye box. Thanks for the idea, brother!
@@balaton1 Nice gun.
Jim just blew my mind. I always thought that table was pushed against the wall. He just nonchalantly walked past a gap I couldn’t conceive was there😮🤯
Ryan, on your Tikka builds are you completely remodeling an off the shelf rifle or are you getting bare actions to build? If using bare actions I would like to know where you get them, as your affinity for them has inspired me to build.
A good friend I hunt with here in the UK had a kalix teknik CR2 fitted to his laminate stocked sako 85 in 243. Really brilliant piece of kit. No visible adjustment etc you just twist the cheek piece and lift. Looks like it came out of the factory with it. Highly recomend
My Bergara HMR was great, with the adjustable comb height. The Bergara Ridge, however, was a different story. Had to go with direct receiver rings and I still couldn't see out of the scope with proper cheek placement. Time to get an add-on!
Let’s see a 10min talk on the 300 Norma/NMI
I’m definitely on board Ryan. Bought a Henry single shot awhile ago and found it to be unshootable w an optic until I bought a butt cuff w comb elevation. Shoots fine now . Took a doe last season (finally).
I use a “stock pack” with adjustable height by adding included strips of Velcro underneath the top of the pack.
I have a Savage mk2 fv. It is a phenomenally accurate rifle for the money. The major detractions on that rifle is lop and comb height. I found a shotgun recoil pad in my junk box and fixed the lop. The comb issue was solved with grip shelf liner a spare magpul snap on cheek piece and duct tape. Not the most attractive setup but very comfortable.
Ive been running a beartooth products comb adjustment kit on my ruger american compact. It fit me well when i was 14, but as i grew, I have added a pull on recoil pad for extra LOP and now I'm running the comb height kit, this setup has allowed me to grow up with this rifle.
I like those soft ones with the pocket on the side that Hornady also brands and sells. Makes the stock a bit wider, and just that little bit higher so it's perfect. Also the little pocket with the loops serves as my magazine.
Great Podcast 💯💥💥💥💥💥💥💥
I love the comb height on my 340 weatherby magnum. Speaking of that up next on 10 minute talk the 340 weatherby magnum 😮
Face shape fitment comment is something I never thought of but intuitively realized as fact.
As a small statured individual, I concur 100%.
Beretta makes a cool stick on pad for comb height. I have one on a marlin guide gun and it has worked well. It doesn’t leave residue on the wood either
completely agree that the rifle stock should conform/fit the shooter (comb height and LOP)... my favorite stock is the magpul hunter I put on my rem 700, very customizable... I also agree with those that have found the Weatherby Monte Carlo stocks very comfortable (they got it right)... hint: the Weatherby Vanguard and the Howa 1500 (same action) stocks are interchangeable...
This is the EXACT reason I just bought a browning x bolt speed lr. It comes with an adjustable cheek riser
@2:25 - I literally made this exact same rant on Facebook the other day as I was developing a 3d-printable cheek riser for Ruger American stocks.
If you want to have back up iron sights, a adjustable or removable riser may be your only option. I use a european brand kydex clamshell style riser , you just put some hook&loop tape over the comb of the buttstock and put the kydex clamshell over the comb ,
I've got an old T/C Dimension 30-06 that has a raised comb- it was an odd ball looking rifle when it came out but it shoots lights out
Boyds Gunstocks @1 stocks have adjustable comb and length of pull with a lot of custom options. Colors engravings all kinds of stuff…
Stocks are still being made with iron sights in mind. Instead of being made to suite a mounted optic
Timely episode for me as I’m in the market for a new 7PRC. I’m interested in a Bergara carbon crest or a Bergara HMR Carbon Wilderness. The HMR has an adjustable cheek piece but it comes at an additional 2 pounds. I’m unsure of which one to go with. My application would be Montana elk hunting with this particular rifle. Any advice would be greatly appreciated.
My heavy ar10 with the adjustable stock is so much more comfortable than my other guns, I thought it was my bias because I love that gun but it might be this
Good video, thanks. Please visually demonstrate what you think the ideal cheek placement is.
Up to your cheek bone. Either lightly or buried, whatever is more comfortable to you. Once you have an adjustable Cheek Riser it's a Night & Day difference & being able to see through your Scope immediately is awesome. Sincerely, Matthew
I have fought the comb height for 2 years on a new rifle… lovely rifle but I’m ready to turn it into a tomato stake because the comb is just 1/4” too low.
Get a riser pad. Super cheap, comfortable, and effective for appropriate cheek weld.
i prefer a low comb standard stock and add a padded riser if necessary. the pad is more comfortable and warmer to the cheek in winter.
Every one of my wood stocks has KMW Loggerhead hardware in it, they are amazing. Don't be scared, it gets easier after the first cut!
Finally saying the quiet part out loud. Everyone has different structure to each his or her own face. So, I cannot understand why rifle stocks did not have adustable cheek height from the start. Then, again, there is always the cut roast analogy. Making a solution to a specific problem a general rule. I also use Goda Grip. Mike Goddard is a prince among men and always willing to talk and if you need something of a specific dimension, call him (in Florida) and he can make something for you. But hurry, he is getting close to retirement. I have Goda Grip on almost every piece I own. I like the finger grips. But the cheek pads are to die for. They absorb the recoil, allowing you to keep your cheek in place and your eye box is stable. edited to add: the cut roast. A man and woman get married and receive several gifts, including a 13" x 9" roasting pan. So, the wife is going to finally cook a beef roast and she cuts off a bit at each end of the roast and places it in the pan. Her husband asks why she does that. She answers, "It is what my mom always did." So, she next asks her mother why she cut the ends off of a roast. "Well, that is what my mom always did." Then, she went to her grandmother and asked her why she cut the ends off the roast. Her grandmother answered, "When your grandfather and I got married, all we had was an 8 inch by 8 inch roasting pan and I had to cut the ends off to make it fit. I would save the ends for stew or just give it to the dogs." The solution to a specific problem became a general rule.
27:28 So, on this issue, What will my options be for a new Tikka T3x? If the stock stock, isn't perfect for my face, Is it either an attachable piece like Ryan's? Or, getting a new stock. At which point, could it be a modern style chassis? For that versatility and profile?
They sell T3s with adjustable stocks t3 lite
My Kimber mountain ascent caza is the only rifle I have that actually fits on the comb.
Savage is no longer the only one with some good adjustability, they might still be one of the best for someone on a budget because the only other one I know of that’s pretty cheap is the Bergara HMR. Honestly the accustock still works awesome, love my Tactical and Impulse rifles. The only think I would change is giving any of these adjustable stocks a little bit longer adjustment range for LOP. I know they are just trying to aim for the best variability with most people at that’s setting up LOP for people who are 5’6-5’10 at the top of the range and giving options for smaller shooters, but some of us have longer arms and oddly sized on the bigger end hands/fingers and it would be cool to get some really long stocks, or if Savage were to just put in longer screws so a guy could combine the LOP pieces.
For Shotgun Shooting a Stock that fits you is way more important then for a Rifle, never the less for both it is important to have a solid fitting Stock, in Germany we have a saying that fits for both "Das Gewehr schießt, der Schaft trifft" (the Rifle shoots, the Stock hits) In Europe the Adjustability of Stocks become more and more commun every European Manufacturer i can think of has Adjustable Stocks in Programm (Blaser R8 Ultimate, Merkel Helix Speedster, Sako 90, Bergara HMR, Steel Action MX ...... or some others use GRS Stocks for there Rifles like the Mauser M18 Fenris, Anschütz 1771 or 1782 ....) most Rifles have at least Hight Adjustment
My Benelli Lupo has adjustable comb, Length of pull, drop and cast
I’m 6’4”. As much as I love a full sized Weatherby deluxe stock that fits perfectly. I also appreciate youth stocks on hunting rifles just as much. Especially bundled up in a treestand and even more when dragging a deer out. Walnut stocks balance the rifle better with minimal weight. Weatherby Deluxe shoots way better off hand though.
I'm very particular with stocks. I find a huge majority don't have a high enough comb for me. Factory remington bdl stocks just feel like perfection though.
Back when I was bird hunting and shooting sporting clays, I had a gunsmith fit each shotgun to me. With my eyes closed, shouldering the shotgun and then opening my eyes needed to be dead on the sights.
This crew makes a valid point about stocks. The Ruger American Rifle Gen 1 and 2 are a failure. Yes you can put on the cheek riser but why didn't they just mold it in since there are no open sights? If you want to learn about fitment of stocks in a commercial context, take a look at Weatherby stocks of their mark V or even the older Mark 22. The pistol grip has a comfortable angle with comb scalloping for hand placement comfort as well as the raised comb and cheekpiece. The fore end is slightly flattened on the bottom and just wide enough to give a good purchase without over filling the hand. These companies really should pay more attention to these details because once one handles a rifle with a good stock, nothing else feels right and it will make a positive difference in ones shooting abilities.
We gotta talk about the 257 wby mag
Excellent video but it might have been better if the discussion also took into consideration proper fit in terms of cheek weld vs chin weld. While many might say the proper cheek weld occurs when the cheek is "buried" into the top of the comb, others may prefer more of a chin weld when the stock is always positioned on a specific point on the side of the chin. And using the same bow handling comparison used in the video, this is much like a bow string being drawn back to the same position against the face. Could be wrong but I have to believe the increased focus these days on a buried cheek weld is the result of the increased popularity of long range shooting where the shooter can take his/her time (for the most part) when taking a shot. The chin weld on the other hand is perhaps better suited to the hunter who needs to shoulder a rifle and get off a shot more quickly. Whatever the case, the exercise of shouldering a rifle with the eyes closed to see if the correct sight picture is seen once the eyes are opened is still valid and an excellent point to be made.
You can actually see much faster through your Scope, actually immediately through the Scope with a Cheek Riser & a Cheek weld. You cheek doesn't have to be "buried", but a light cheek weld up to your cheek bone is best & you see immediately through your Scope. I've had many hunters say they had 3 seconds or less to mount the rifle, find the animal & shoot. A chin weld in the heat of the moment & heart is pounding from buck fever makes it way more difficult & most people Bobble their head to see through the scope. Many parents have told me their kids didn't really like shooting until they got a Cheek Riser & now they love shooting. Because it's natural to lay your head/cheek on a Cheek Riser & being able to see immediately is just a Night & Day difference. Sincerely, Matthew
I own a Savage 110 Just put a Comb Riser to fit.When I bring the rifle up (With my eye's closed) I'ts dead on (With adjustment)
you don't see monte carlo rollovers like we did years ago
Yup, you can end up with a comb too high, depending on tour scope and mount😮
I’ve decided that if I ever decide to by another new rifle, it’ll be a barreled action. Why buy a complete rifle just to throw the stock in the trash?
Manners LRH…done!
Ah yes, fellow men of culture. I too enjoy the work of Jimi Hendrix, which is why I prefer a Woodstock!
Why not just float the cheek?
New rifles, meant for optics, with a low colm stock, should be illegal.
Hope this doesn't get around to the ATF, they might ban something. Thanks again.
.35 rem 10 min talk...?
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NOT.ON A HUNTING STOCK.