In 2005, artist Jennifer Kanary's sister-in-law committed suicide while suffering from a psychotic episode. This event led Jennifer to develop Labyrinth Psychotica, an experience designed to give people more insight into how it feels to suffer through psychosis.
Users are strapped into virtual reality gear and transported into the mind of a psychotic girl named Jamie. The whole experience lasts twelve minutes, during which 'normal' reality gets increasingly intertwined with Jamie's psychotic reality, making it more and more difficult to distinguish between what's real and what's not.
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This has NOTHING to do with LSD.
They put that in the title of the video for views I think. It worked since we are both here.
well the title said it was about psychosis, which you can get from lsd i would imagine
you can get hallucinogenics from lsd? i would never have imagined you could get hallucinogenics, from an hallucinogenic!!!!.....haha but seriously, i have taken lsd, i know...... but i dont see why anyone (especially anyone whos done the stuff) would imagine that technology could hope to imitate it
***** oh and i think what you mean to say is you can hallucinate from lsd, even thougb personally i dont really think i get visuals as such, more like everything looks different, and better in some way, and the lights of the city are so bright
Colin Buddz Hallucination: See something that doesn't exist there in any form at that moment. Visual: Seeing patterns, colours, warped environments, shifting forms etc. I never had a hallucination on acid, only visuals, which is enough ;)
Thankfully, this is not what an acid trip is like... At all...
For me it was so traumatic
iKnowThings It's supposed to be a trip with people who's symptoms are exacberated or start when they do LSD or acid.
+iKnowThings When I'm on acid, I really don't see anything out of the usual. I just know it's there. I sense it. And man I ain't been right since that day. That's why I be like "Fuck Hector!"
+ShamanShrapnel Actually it's because it's created for the same reason that LSD was created, hence the name.
+Eggly Bagelface FAVORITE KZhead COMMENT EVER LMAO FUCK HECTOR
This is nothing like LSD.
no shit dude it simulates a psychosis you idiot
+Nicky Mijo You're right. Psychedelics don't cause psychosis (for most people at least).
learn to read the title of a video. Its Psychosis with digital lsd, its nothing like lsd.
amazingfox 93716 with digital lsd, which is nothing like lsd
ryry love they named the contraption " digital lsd ". So yes, yes it is. Using digital "lsd" to show what psychosis is apperently like. They wpuld have just named it psychosis machine.
I have psychosis and this is nothing compared to what I cope with everyday. Psychosis is not just changing colors and hearing voices. It's much, much more.
Different people experience different symptoms. It varies from person to person
***** I've been diagnosed with psychosis too so I could tell you. It's like you hear voices that tell you horrible things, laughters, orders, they tell you're worthless and all kinds of things. Those voices know all your secrets. And they use them against you. Also your wishes. They tell you you will never get what you want. And sometimes they tell you to inflict pain on yourself or to other people. That's why schizophrenics are considered aggressive sometimes. And they tell you lots of other things. If you have specific questions, ask.
Perhaps, you can fuck off. When you get diploma for a psychiatrist you could say whatsoever.
Anastassiya Alexieva ignore that guy, he is trolling, look at his name and im sorry to hear about your psychothic experience, i experience quasi psychothic episodes
miicah edwardss man i dont think its that easy, i heard a voice once saying "YOU THERE" when i was high as fuck smoking, i got so fucking scared
Yup because psychotics only see in 3 fps.
Till Klemm where are you reading that the project is from 2005? Maybe the first two words? Read the rest of the sentence. If you use your logic you will know that camera HD quality of this magnitude was not available commercially. Also, motherboard is a subsidiary of Vice magazine and hasn't even been around that long. I'm pretty sure you're just wrong.
Till Klemm yeah I don't know how I missed that it's in the description also lol. Thanks Tim my bad.
Prof. Killionare There is no way psychosis is like changing colors and shit. usually there is a real entity sitting or standing on the room talking to them
Light Nova lol hollywood
Prof. Killionare It actualy makes sense. You'd have to become psychotic if you have all that lag.
Though this is interesting, I see it as more of an artist's interpretation of something she doesn't fully understand rather than a legitimate simulation of psychosis or LSD.
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The choppy visuals and time lag are actually pretty real to LSD however LSD can be choppy or and then really slow or quick due to time distortion
i paused the video but the voices dont stop
+Axel White m8
JONI RABO NO
It hauntening alrightpceout bye!
Psychosis isn't this at all. Imagine being stuck in your head. You hear people talking at you and you respond but it's muffled. There is a constant noise in your head, like a distant radio. You see and hear and feel things that aren't there. It's like watching yourself but not being in control.
This is paranoid schizophrenia, psychosis aka psychotic breakdown is complete loss of sense of self and reality. It could be a really strong mind bending experience and time doesn't exist in that moment.
My lsd psychosis was like this
this is schizo, bad lsd psychosis is incredibly terrifying i experienced it 4 days ago at 2000ug yes 2000 it felt like i had already gon to sleep and had a bad dream until i woke up in the ER i am never mean or aggressive towards anyone but that day was different. i could have killed myself or my parents what happened was i found myself in a reality where my parents wherent my real ones they where doubles trying to hurt me next thing i remember i was running around yelling very disturbing things not to mention i was naked in 5 degree weather i wasnt running on snow it was ice i ended up at a park a block away from home where my dad found me literally dying yet i had super human abilitys it took 5 officers to take me down i was still screaming and repeating things so bad my parents have ptsd and do not feel safe around me from my perspective i was in hell and i thought that by saying certain things and hurting myself in awfully specific ways it would free me from the trip. i thought i had died several times that night. i know for a fact this happened because i didnt have a trip sitter. i spent 3 days in the ER and my kidney failing
this is nothing like lsd at all
Its meant to be psychosis not lsd idiot
+mmm memes "Digital LSD"
just cuz its legal don't mean you gotta do it. people kill themselves and others on alcohol all the time, but do you have to drink? no :p
***** ur shits laced bro
Cam Lentz or he just started getting high 😂😂 i remember my first time getting baked i thought i was in a new dimension everytime i blinked
I believe that this creator has made this piece with the best of intentions which I find refreshing. Many people search for the experience of psychosis out of a sort of morbid curiosity or because they believe it is a secret to a heightened understanding of reality. I think the worst is those who seek it out in order to prove that they can 'handle' it. All of these reasons completely lack any attempt of understanding. When I talk to people about how i have suffered with psychosis and related schizophreniform disorder I am often given the poor comparisons and analogies where someone says something along the lines of "Yeah I know what your going through. I had a really bad shroom trip one time." Unfortunately you cannot temporarily simulate what it is like to have psychosis any more than you can simulate any other long term suffering. It is something that impacts deeply into a persons life. Experiencing the feeling of needing to seek real help whilst hiding the fact that you need it due to the fear of being labeled as crazy. Having to reach that rationalisation in a midst all the thoughts and confusions that are far from rational. Being treat like everything you say is potentially just part of your 'Issues'. Having people complain about how difficult it is to spend time with you during an episode. Knowing that they care more about how hard it was for them than what you had experienced as after all to them the last week of inner torment was just 'a rough patch'. Taking necessary steps to maintain a functional life in order to be able to afford the medication that still hasn't seemed to help you. Knowing that when it does start to help at most it can only reduce some of the symptoms. Not knowing when or to what degree the symptoms will reoccur. Working towards a recovery by using time, knowledge and a huge amount of will power. Having your efforts smacked down by people who claim that a search for a lifestyle that promotes the inner peace needed to control psychotic episodes is "naive" or "boring". My psychosis is something that I can't choose to take off like these goggles. I can't run to the doctor tell them I took something I shouldn't have and then be back to a normal life. I have to work to understand how to live in a sane world whilst experiencing one that is not, and, that will probably continue at varied intensities for the rest of my life. There is still a huge stigma on people with psychosis of being totally incapable sub-humans who have poorly functioning brains. However, at the same time society will allow many of them to become homeless and even more untreated and then blame them when they turn to crime. Mental illness amongst the homeless and criminals is vastly disproportionate compared to the rest of society. Those who keep it together don't exactly have it easy. Rather than trying to understand how it feels people would just accept that living with psychosis is hard and for some impossible. It is ironically delusional how some people believe that empathy is a commodity and somehow they can understand what life is like for others based on how much empathy they have. Understanding of others can only be gained the way all other true understanding is gained. Experience and Research. Being a human doesn't grant you a magical connection to others through empathy. You can empathise only with those who you have experienced similar events. There will be aspects of what it's like that you may relate to. But, it's only one part of the picture. For the rest it's better just to listen to what they have gone through. Also, I don't think that only applies to empathising with psychosis.
+BarnibusMaximusMusic You have no idea what your words have meant to my life. Your comment made me propose to the woman i love dearly and she said YES! We have been married for 3 months now, and she asked me yesterday when it became my decision to ask her to marry her and i told her someone on KZhead gave me incredible insight. It's crazy to say that the internet and some random stranger had so much influence on my decision. You gave me the strength to understand empathy.Thank you for that.
+jasperfeed Wow I'm glad that I could have done something positive and impact your life. Congratulations on your engagement and I wish you all the best in your future together. I am always hoping to make the world a better place and it means a lot to me that my words have been beneficial to you. Thank you for letting me know that I have done some good for the lives of others.
Luxenborg I googled what you said and I still don't understand what you are referring to.
+BarnibusMaximusMusic how you just described the things you described at this depth shocked me so much .. theres nothing like the suffering of psychosis, .. i think the biggest fear in psychosis is that you know in your brain that you are crazy and unfit to interact with humans ... you loose the ability to feel sorry for people no matter how bad their situation is because you know that there is worst, psycosis makes the victim a professional in the skill of explaining things because you spend your whole life trying to explain the symptoms as sensely as possible ... this is what shocked me in you, the skill of explaining .. no matter how i sit here and describe psychosis it will just be words, and the words can never describe how horrible it is . i hope you overcome this and when you overcome it your gonna have an unbelievable sense of pride in yourself.. "wow i actually survived that" .. i love you
+BarnibusMaximusMusic _Great_ comment. I found your post to be very illuminating and refreshingly articulate. You've clearly had to learn how to communicate your psychosis to other people in a way they can grasp, as your comment did just that. I have no experience with what you go through...but I absolutely respect how you just talked about it. I'd be lying to say I feel empathy...as I have zero idea what it's like for you. But...your comment gave me pause and will change the way I act/think/feel when I encounter someone who's going through this. I had a friend ages ago who was schizophrenic...and I didn't respond as well as I could have. I was young and dumb. But I hope to do better in the future. I'm sure the #1 thing you want from other people isn't necessary sympathy....but rather you want people to respect your autonomy as a human being and not make baseless assumptions. Good luck to you. You seem more intelligent and cool than most people...so I hope things go well for you.
My great grandmother was a paranoid schizophrenic. she suffered from psychosis and hallucination all the time. I always listened to the things she would say and how interesting and vivid her descriptions were. It really broaden my perspective of what defines reality. I think everyone has the ability to "lose their mind" especially if we don't know exactly what the mind is.
Oh, I didn't know your vision becomes 5 frames per second on LSD.
somone needs to make an app for vr headsets that uses your phones camera to give you augumented trip vision!
You can find some on KZhead, but they're not the best quality nor are they realistic.
VR headsets have cameras already
Crisp 3 frames per second
1080p? 3fps because its a "cinematic" exp
epic3tv He probably won't notice because he's a console gamer :3
epic3tv Silky smooth ps4 grade gameplay.
Amen brother.
epic3tv you people are sheep. computer gamers are the master race!
As a person who has a from of psychosis this is far from what I see, hear or feel. You cannot know or understand people with these conditions by creating a contrivance that simulates a bad LSD trip. That is not what it's like at all. Pray you never wake up one day and have any form of psychosis.
well, whats it like then? I am genuinely curious.
I believe this is what it would appear to be with severe psychosis, not just minor issues..but institutionalized type shit. You're on KZhead watching videos, functioning fine. Just because this isn't how you are, doesn't mean it's not how others view it.
It is not an every day sensation. These things come in waves and usually happen most often under stressful conditions. Medication helps to stave off reoccurring delusion. This contraption in the video more or less describes a person suffering from severe paranoid schizophrenia which is an extreme form of psychosis. The psychosis the lady in the video describes her sister having is more like bipolar disorder and bipolar far and away different than schizophrenia.
Pallas While I do agree that this is not an accurate representation of psychosis, Schizophrenia and Bipolar disorder are very different, but these two illnesses can easily be confused. For example individuals who would be diagnosed as Schizophrenic in the USA would be more likely to be diagnosed as having Bipolar Disorder in the UK. And this is with the same diagnostic criteria. This illustrates that there is still a profound lack of understanding of these illnesses even within the psychiatric community.
Saint Nick Guys please remember that this is designed to give people the idea. its not perfect, the only way to have it perfect would be with drugs. obviously that's not a safe option.
This is an extremely simplified and inaccurate example of psychosis. Being unable to distinguish reality is such a small and fairly insignificant aspect of psychosis, which is overall very misleading. Not to mention trying to compare it to lsd is even more of a joke, just awful!
Yes, it seems as if the assumption is something like "LSD trip" = "sensory disorientation" = "psychosis", which borders on fatuous.
The same mechanism that causes psychosis hallucinations and hallucinations from LSD or other psychedelics is at play within the brain though. Also for those of us who have never experienced psychosis, the dissociative aspects and the hallucinations that occur during an acid trip are the only thing we have experienced that can even slightly compare.
@@Tsumami__ It was just an inaccurate depiction of both psychedelics and psychosis both which I have experience of. Regardless I'm a rare example of this so being dissatisfied with other peoples depictions should be an obvious given, and in turn pointless challenging. This was 6 years ago when I said this though lol
Yeah, I feel that this "art" is a bit silly. The emotional anguish that often accompanies psychosis and other mental conditions is not part of the simulation at all. Moreover the person is completely aware of what they are about to experience and are able to put the device on and off meaning they are in control. Just having some robotic voices and color transitions is a lacking representation. There's also certainly a great number of media out there that has done a much better job of tapping into the conscious state that don't use "futuristic technology".
this is too fucking trippy to watch while i have anxiety
SAMMIsLIFE Omg same. I have really bad anxiety and this made it worse. I need a break lol.
+May Athena yea,i couldnt watch the whole thing lol
SAMMIsLIFE agreed. I have an anxiety disorder too, and I watched a video where you went through a psychois episode, with voices and paranoia, and it left me dizzy. After I fely dizzy, I started getting worried that I have it, but I've calmed my nerves by now.
SAMMIsLIFE omg same
+Wahpancho I have OCD, anxiety, ADD, and BPD (borderline personality disorder)..lol I feel ya
Really love how people are more upset about this being called 'digital LSD' and how its stigmatizing LSD rather than how this is sensationalizing psychosis as this cool and trippy virtual reality to play around with for a short period but OK
Both of those points are equally as valid
This ia nothing like real LSD
agreed, but it wasn't meant to simulate that (maybe the title was meant to be catchy...bad choice if you ask me). But from what I heard of patients suffering from later stages of schizophrenia, it must come really close to a psychotic episode. I was told an easy but one dimensional way to simulate the immense distraction it to listen to a speech wile two friends are talking/whispering/shouting directly in your ears.
Yeah. But they said it was to simulate psychosis. That was pretty much the entire point of the video, and it was repeated about ten times.
***** no it really isn't even a decent approximation
Mr. Mohagany Also said it was based off LSD. Which it isn't.
This is horrible that they are calling it "digital LSD". LSD already has a negative stigma around it, and now comparing it and saying that virtual psychosis is like LSD is just stupid. LSD should not be illegal thanks for hurting the hallucinogen movement
Can you have a bad trip with LSD?
yup
+Suppressor had a sort of bad time on my first trip. had some really bad anxiety for a bit.
You can also get psychosis from looking at your mother... A "bad trip" is always there for a reason, if you drop 2 tabs at a party without knowing shit about the drug you will probably have a very bad time, or even worse. Therefore it's VERY important that we actually educate people right instead of just making it look bad and try to scare people off. You know, you are MUCH more likely to have a bad trip if you are scared of having a bad trip.
Legalizing weed? Sounds good. Legalizing LSD? The fuck are you talking about? People have really gotten mentally wrecked by that drug. I know you might have good experiences with it, but you can't deny that the drug has hurt plenty of people.
this isnt how I experienced psychosis what theyre showing him seems more like someone thats gone completely insane. Maybe they should hire someone with experience?
How did you experience psychosis? How did your experience differ from this experiment which would seem more like insanity according to you? Just so I can understand the difference. :)
Fox its more like a broken perception of reality rather than a videogame. its not really possible to have someone experience something like that for many reasons, especially when the only senses youre working with are sight and sound. Im sure some people see intense LSD like visuals if theyre having a full on mental breakdown? I don't actually know.
Fox Have you ever had a weird dream in which something was completely illogical by regular reasoning, but in the dream it seemed perfectly normal? You might be driving a car and decide to go over the traffic instead of around, because you KNOW in that moment your can can fly, the same way you and I know that cars don't. More likely, you'll use the bathroom in the dark because you know someone installed cameras in there to watch you (psychosis tends to feed on paranoia). There's a million ways it can present itself, false memories, hallucinations, disorientation, etc. but that's a fairly standard example of loosing touch with reality.
***** Sorry for the late reply, google didnt notify me for some reason. Yes those are some of the symptoms and yes I was diagnosed. Taking antipsychotics can be pretty heavy on the side effects but its probably better than living with a broken perception of reality.
***** i doubt have psychosis, people often mistake a eerie feeling after drugs (mainly psychedelics). u most likely had an intense experience and got a little traumatized. chill out and u will notice your symptoms drasticly reduce. time is the best antidote, anxiety stay away from
Probably should have used a different title for this video, although I'm sure it gets more views than "Digital psychosis". Most commenters seem to think this device was designed to simulate an LSD "trip". From my understanding, it is designed to replace LSD as a tool for people to understand psychosis. I can't comment on its accuracy in that department, but I respect the concept of it.
+Michael Frederiksen Thank you for being intelligent.
So people actually take LSD to understand how a psychosis works? That's interesting.
This is stupid you cannot replicate the internal feelings you get on LSD with a electronic gadget... almost said man made object lol
Psychosis isn't like a having a robot talk in your ear. It's voices arguing with each other, contradicting each other and none of them want you to feel the way you want to feel. It is a constant struggle to hear yourself above the others. Coping with it means being able to find yourself in a sea of lies.
ong so deep
@@victorvance84 I don't remember this video or this comment, but the information I provided seems correct based on descriptions I've heard in interviews
I am so high on LSD I cannot understand a word of what they are saying.
Because they're speaking Dutch
***** Dutch is American on LSD, right?
+Peace Love Bunny Do u mean u are HIGH? or do mean that u are low Sober?
+Peace Love Bunny It's impressive you managed to write so well if you're tripping so high on LSD
+Peace Love Bunny It's impressive you managed to write so well if you're tripping so high on LSD
Its even worse when you're watching this when you're high and don't understand a word they're saying.
You can't simulate psychosis or LSD with a headset. It goes far beyond audio and visual inputs.
+Plur307 yeah obviously but its meant to give people an idea of what its like
Bits of this reminded me of my psychotic episode. Scary stuff. I'm glad this woman is spreading understanding. At the time I had no idea I was experiencing psychosis, the hospital staff seemed to think I was just acting out. They got very impatient and used threats like putting me in isolation. I didn't know how to tell them what was going on inside me, it's not something you can explain.
I highly doubt anyone who has taken acid would be able to recreate the experience with software, regardless of how familiar they were with it.
They would be able to somewhat recreate an array of acid like visuals but it's pointless if you can't experience the mindset and emotions that come hand in hand with it.
This is nothng like LSD and shouldn't be compared to it. And to all the people that are having these terrible trips on acid all I have to say is that you shouldn't spread lies about it being this terrible drug and all this other crap. LSD is fucking rad and saying that you were crippled for months after using it?? That's not LSD man you should get a new drug dealer.
Props and Bravo to the woman who cares so much she would work to develop such a system. Her heart is vast.....
Dude, that looks so creepy to experience. Really scary.
This is EXACTLY what Police Departments need to be training their Officers with so that maybe they can develop some empathy & sympathy and realize that not everyone that they come into contact with is on the same page they are, let alone the same reality, and that those who aren't are not in that position of their own free will...for they do not have any.
I totally agree. I am a psych at a jail & most police officers are pretty good about dealing with the mentally ill but there is always room for improvement. Not to mention I would really like to get a better idea of what some people are dealing with. I have tried to imagine what schizophrenia is like based on what my guys tell me but that doesn't really let me experience it in any way.
MutinyVT There Job is to do one thing...protect the rights of the people. The same goes for our elected officials and the civilians who work for Government agencies. Unfortunately we live in an occupied nation under martial law. It's been that way since the American Civil War.
I can't wait for virtual reality to become main stream. Occulus Rift acid trip anyone.
I can't wait for chips in out heads to become mainstream so everyone could be even more distracted from reality
I would install a scientific calculator, the encyclopedia Britannica, all of the dictionaries, all of the worlds languages and every how to pick up women book ever written.
DelbertStinkfester you dont need to buyh a book to pick up women. just type real social dynamics in the youtube search and you will learn more than any book will ever tell you..i shouldnt even be revealing this info. ;D
Hot 1000 Forever Thanks I'm going to do this...It had better change my life friend
Lol no fuck that. I've done LSD, god fuck that lol ...shrooms on the other hand... ;)
Could they seriously not have a better frame rate than that with all that technology?
That is called framerate glitching, it's done on purpose. It will desorient you, especially in 4d.
As someone who has experienced psychosis, I must say that this is only valuable as a piece of art. One can not ever begin to imagine what psychosis is, especially via technological replication, unless one has actually experienced it.
i think it would have been more immersive for him if that woman wasnt right next to him reminding him he was sane the whole time
Real LSD doesn't cause psychosis, so why would I want the digital version?
Wait what? Its one of the main reasons why they stopped using it in the mental health field. The results were to unpredictable
Aaron O'Rourke Ever sone acid, bro? It's awesome.
it does when you have a bad trip. A severely bad trip like I experience once.
orlando mendoza I've never had a bad acid trip. I've had bad shroom trips before. In fact, at some point during every shroom trip, shit gets too intense... but then it mellows out and gets cool again later.
don't u have anything else to do then to write stupid comments under every motherboardtv documentary?
Why all the hate? I don't think she said that this experiment is suppose to be an identical experience of a psychotic episode? "an experience designed to give people more insight into how it feels to suffer through psychosis." Does it matter if its super realistic? I thought that the goal was to create more understanding and empathy for people with real problems? If Jennifer can help to remove unnecessary stigma in society how is that a bad thing?
+1 ! The fact that he is completely disoriented is proof of the succes for this experiment.
Are you aware that A LOT of people suffer from psychosis or have taken LSD and maybe they found this whole "experiment" stupid and inaccurate?
Ganil Ganilder Did you even read what i wrote?
This is incredibly interesting, glad I found this channel.
poorly titled, and obviously created by someone who has never experienced psychosis. The main problem I see with this thing is its distortion of reality, which doesn't happen to most psychotic people. Their brains usually just superimpose things into it so well that they don't even think anything is different or abnormal. If she was going for a "LSD" experience, I would say this fit the bill, since it looks like the headset distorts reality into a kaleidoscope of chaos.
More like a bad trip for Non-LSD takers.
LSD is nothing like this, you're fully aware of your surroundings and can somewhat function on LSD unless you take an extreme amount.
It's to help people empathize, not to fully create psychosis.
IHaveNoNameRawr yea but if i take lsd it will be somewhat like this cause of extreme paranoia. except 10x fatser with all the voices and stuff so speak for yourself.
Yea i would say the difference is not in the input... but the interpretation.
What language is this, sounds like 10% english and 90% bullshit
You won.
Dutch
That was funny lol. I have been through this tho, and it was somewhat similar. I specially remember my whole vision turning pink and the voices making fun of me cuz they could do that. Crazy SHIT!
its dutch, i know it because i am dutch
I used to suffer from psychosis and the machine doesn't seem to simulate the symptoms that well. But the researcher does a good job of describing what a person with psychosis experiences. I've never tried LSD though.
Bravo to this beautiful lady, Ms. Kanary. She gets so many points for her efforts, her creativity, and most of all her Intentions. I am sorry for her loss of her sister. I too have dealt with a similar circumstance, though with a loved one going through depression. I too have been researching along the same line. Using psychotropic drugs to relate to psychosis is extremely astute. Something I have thought on for insight is the sudden drop in mood after a ecstacy or MDMA trip. This, to me, is akin to the bouts of depression one with clinical depression go though daily. Matching these two experiences is very meaningul, and rightfully so when looking at the schematics of what causes this mood alteration. She's on the right path.
M.A.P.S. maps(dot)org The Multidisciplinary Association for Psychedelic Studies!!!
This is bullshit complete bullshit you can't strap a game on your head and understand how psychosis feels for someone.
agreed
lol
Its just the beginning of the assistive tech... to completely simulate psychosis you would need your neurons all wired to fuck or really damn good vr
you would be better off taking a dose of LSD at least you can't pull that off your head and make it stop
Iain Clark It's just a minor experience of what it is like. I have Psychosis, and this showed in this video is minor, it is 100x worse in real life.
Hmm, i'm very skeptical that these people think you can replicate the experience of LSD - let alone Psychosis - through only visual and audio mediums. These crazy visuals and sounds are a result of what goes on in a patient's mind, not vise versa. This is something a machine cannot (and hopefully never will) replicate. Secondly,, this is certainly not "digital lsd" for the same reasons as above. An acid trip is something you could never explain to somebody and I would imagine that the same goes for psychosis.
Because of the lack of understanding I am posting this... I am going to share a story... Bob wakes up in a dreamy sort of state takes a shower to wake up. Bob begins to hear voices of friends relatives just voices in the white noise of the water that sound familiar. Thinking at first how strange Bob tries to listen to the voices in the white noise as he focuses on the voices to try to make out what they are saying he begins to hear scratching at the front door. Bob gets out of the shower grabs a towel runs to the front door nothing is there how strange Bob thinks. Bob starts to head toward the shower until once again scratching at the door Bob turns around and sees something coming through the key hole frightened Bob yells out who is there? Bob hears whispers Bob runs to the door again to check through the peep hole no one is there but Bob can hear whispers below the peep hole and once again sees something coming through the key hole. Bob Even more frightened that someone maybe trying to break into his apartment Bob runs to the bedroom throws on some clothes grabs a gun and now the voices have become closer. Bob shouts out at the corner before the front door saying he has a gun. The voices stop then Bob sees a shadow Bob chases the shadow trying to get a glimpse of who broke into his Apartment. Suddenly Bob becomes disoriented a bit confused and scared the cold wind brings Bob around from this disoriented confused state. Bob realizes he is half naked on the side of the highway with a gun surrounded by faceless people screaming for him to get down... That is the only way I can describe psychosis it isn't simply visual effects or sounds and you would have to put yourself in that position. In the above story you would truly have to believe that someone is trying to break into your home to do you harm different people handle the situation differently. Bob in this case wasn't someone who is normally afraid and is sure of himself which resulted in a bad ending for Bob the schizophrenic. The above story is based on true events. Schizophrenia or Psychosis can be very subtle and believable that is why it is so scary for the individual going through it they lose the ability to tell if it is real or not and don't have the luxury of telling them self this is a drug or this will be over. It sucks you into a delusion which by all intensive purposes is real to the individual going through it. That is just one morning in the life of Bob and a mild episode.. There was no one at the door, there was no voices, there was no shadow and bob felt fine until he became disoriented and when he became disoriented he realized something wasn't right but by that time it was to late. You could be frying chicken and think there is a fire call 9/11 and run out of your house saying you have a fire then burn down your house because you are waiting for the fire department while the oil is still on the stove when there wasn't a fire in the first place. You may have not seen a fire you may have not even smelled a fire but the sound and smell of the chicken cooking was interpreted by your brain to be a fire... I hope people can better understand just how sinister schizophrenia is...
I thought the story would with you being Bob all along.
that's completely in accurate. for one the voices aren't random, they like to mess with you or build off existing information and desires/thoughts you have
What happens if you take LSD or DMT while using the Psychosis helmet?
I imagine if you were under the influence of lsd youd start freaking the fuck out and rip off the helmate and backpack after about 4 seconds. as for DMT you would hear the voices but after a min or two with real DMT you wouldn't even be able to see or hear anything making it useless. ive had expirence with both of these drugs in my passed. I would not recommend trying it.
Then you actually get a drug-induced psychosis.
I can't understand experiencing this in real life...I can't imagine it
It's nothing like this to be fair. It's not only visual, your entire body feels it. Usually follows a sort of "chill down your spine" that just doesn't go away. Not sure how you'd mimic that with a virtual headset. And of course, it's different to each person.
Alisha DiPaola I experience it every day. its very real and it is terrifying.
Alisha DiPaola this is no where near lsd
It goes beyond replication because psychosis is mostly based on ideas. Impossible, irrational ideas that have such perfect connections and justification that the lines between thought and reality blur. I've been there it's literally like a never ending bad trip or living in hell.
From previous comments it seems as though different people's experiences of psychosis differ greatly from this technology, but so far I think it offers a fantastic glimpse into how some people may experience psychosis, even if it's not visually accurate.
The noises alone made me anxious.I feel like i might just snap with that on my head.
This sounds very different from LSD, just like a trippy virtual reality program
As well as in LSD, you know it'll end but in the moment it won't. I don't think it's similar at all to LSD but that's subjective.
She didn't mention it was supposed to mimic LSD. The title is very misleading.
Adam Stever 09:50
***** I just about had full control while tripping on LSD. I knew what I was going to see and hear was not actually real, but I went into it not trying to control it in that sense. I let it be real. I wish I could explain it better. I did feel like everything was one and that everything was beautiful...after I had a sudden depressive moment where I thought about my mother who had passed away a couple years before. It didn't last very long and the rest of the experience was sublime.
OSlatraigh Im going to tell you what LSD exactly does: Its a scientificly created drug, to overdose the seratonine levels in parts of your brain. A brain is not comprehensive , so he will have to compromis with other neurotransmitters in your brain. that means for example: Your brain will take more time to hear and understand, so things go in a slow speed. The excessive volume of serotine causes the hallugens you will expierencing. ( and lots of other "short circuits" ) Since it is an body own product, seratonine can do no fysical harm. but CAN create mental issues.
Should be titled: "Experiencing Digital LSD, with Digital LSD".
Cooooooooooool... I would love to help out with this project... what are you developing in? What's used for the visual/audio input to the subject? Why is the "wearable" setup so clunky (sorry, I'm an engineer at heart and that MacPack (Yep just made that up; I think.) just looks painful to wear for one thing and seems like it would detract from the experience). Anyway, I unfortunately don't speak Dutch(?perhaps) but I could damn well learn. Such an awesome project concept and execution. Interested to see where this can go. Again, would love to help if you're interested.
I feel strongly for her loss. Almost brought me to tears.
LSD is great. It really helps if you're suffering from depression. One of the best medicine available.
+David Thorstensson I didn't believe it until recently with my first experience. I took a max of about 120ug of currently legal and generally regarded as practically identical to LSD chemical 1P-LSD. and just was blown away. i had no perception of just how amazing the brain is at interpreting everything, and deciding what it all means, and in creating such intense emotions. It's definitely the most important drug Ive ever encountered, though this was my first ever psychedelic experience/ Im going to try a low dose Salvia, I want to see if I can slowly enter that experience and see how much one can control it. Maybe I will be able to find medicinal use in that too. Im an atheist and don't believe in the supernatural, but "spiritual" seems the best word to describe this. It needs to be treated with respect (as traditionally they have been) they have the ability to change someones life for the better in so many ways. Cant wait to do it again.
+David Thorstensson I didn't believe it until recently with my first experience. I took a max of about 120ug of currently legal and generally regarded as practically identical to LSD chemical 1P-LSD. and just was blown away. i had no perception of just how amazing the brain is at interpreting everything, and deciding what it all means, and in creating such intense emotions. It's definitely the most important drug Ive ever encountered, though this was my first ever psychedelic experience/ Im going to try a low dose Salvia, I want to see if I can slowly enter that experience and see how much one can control it. Maybe I will be able to find medicinal use in that too. Im an atheist and don't believe in the supernatural, but "spiritual" seems the best word to describe this. It needs to be treated with respect (as traditionally they have been) they have the ability to change someones life for the better in so many ways. Cant wait to do it again.
+David Thorstensson LSD really helped me with depression, it should be legal for medical use again
Thats dangerous advice...My best friend stabbed himself in a neck with a pen on acid because he started feeling guilty about his brother dying. And once I was in the shower tripping and saw all the razors and had to back slowly away because I kept thinking theyd scratch an intense itch I thought I had. Acid can really put you in a baf place depending on where you are mentally and it CAN make things worse.
True in a natural setting the experience is quite beautiful
Shes not trying to show exactly what its like she trying to evoke the emotion and feeling that a person with psychosis may have
The problem here is that the visions from LSD don't affect your eyes like this thing does... it affects your inner vision - it screws around with the sum of your senses inside your mind - it's as if the subtle images of your imagination/dreams were a hundred times more vivid. And even then, the images can be extremely arbitrary. This thing can only stimulate madness, not exaltation or beauty... so with that said, this thing has nothing to do with the LSD experience. Not to mention, the only people who experience total madness on LSD are people with a lot of personal baggage they can't seem to leave at the door, or people who are in the wrong set and setting.
Woah, this is so powerful, I hope this experience is developed further.
This would be a BAD TRIP
PRAY you never have to be attacked such as those people with psychosis.
Absolutely nothing like taking LSD, & probably nothing like a real psychosis, but none the less an interesting simulation to help bridge the gap between psychosis & reality.
Nice one, Vice. Way to make psychosis seem totally goddamn awesome.
lmfao literally nothing like lsd
heeyyyy nederlandse vid, mooi om te zien.
all those comments 'nothing to do with lsd' thats why she says its a psychosis there's a difference between being high and completely losing control on your perceptions
I have experienced severe sensory hallucinations. During a long psychotic break It was somewhat like this, I could feel a rope pulling on my feet, or like a spatula rolling up and down my leg, or a surge of wind moving up my body, or a sharp object stabbing into my leg, or hands pulling on my feet, or even .. less pleasant hallucinations. If I jumped into a pool these hallucinations were not as strong, so I spent hours in the pool. I also had auditory hallucinations like this, in addition to the sensory hallucinations, and they seemed even related to me. Visual hallucinations were very rare for me though, maybe a couple of times, as opposed to well over a year of the other hallucinations every day, for hours on end. Sometimes I forget how fortunate I am that these symptoms are gone for me. If it makes you uncomfortable to think about these things, it still makes me uncomfortable, and I have extensive experience with them.
what was your diagnosis if i may ask?
James Berry how did you get rid of them? that's great. medication or?
Well it took some time. The hallucinations became bound to some nasty delusions and together became a persecution that I suffered perpetually. Once I realized I had schizophrenia, or at least that this persecution did not have power over me, I began to think to myself that it would subside. I did take medication, but it was also a daily struggle to get my mind to focus away from the hallucinations and some of the delusions that were powering them. Simply going into a room in which I had experienced hallucinations would require me to revisit the issue in my mind. Most of my memories were at that point connected to hallucinations. I had to tell myself that it was not significant even when I was experiencing it. I also had to get myself to believe that it would eventually subside. Yes the medication helped, but the hallucinations didn't altogether go away right off the bat. Ultimately over some months I became mostly hallucination free. In the following two years I had some relapses, and had to repeat the process each time. This happened for a couple to a few weeks at a time. When it did I had to revisit the dilemmas. In the past few years I have only experienced minor hallucinations, or at least I will say the hallucinations that I have experienced have not been nearly as unpleasant. Meanwhile, I do still struggle with delusions, and at times it is very difficult. Still when adequately medicated I can usually get off delusions, but it isn't always easy. At least the delusions that I have now are not quite as bad as they used to be, though they can cause a rift between me and some people at times. I try to be proactive, but if I am angry, the only thing I can do is to extract myself at the soonest chance from a situation until I can become more level headed.
this is not at all like psychosis. I've had really severe psychosis before. Everyone's psychosis is different but I've NEVER heard anyone say there is delay in hearing voices. This is just some neuro-typical person's stereotypical guess at what psychosis is like.
I have the delay, but it's not at all like the video and it's only with my thoughts not outside noises
you stated that everyone's psychosis is different, just because you don't hear a delay in hearing voices doesn't mean someone else with a form of psychosis doesn't...
Oh no this is nothing at all like LSD look up on youtube "Taking Woodstock LSD scene" , that scene is so close to the actual visuals of LSD its almost scary thinking how they got it that right hahaha. This may be another type of drug but LSD is very beautiful and this isn't at all what a bad trip would be like either. This is probably the visuals of shrooms, LSD, and a whole punch of crazy shit together lmfao
Na bro, had some shrooms this year and the scene in taking woodstock is the best visualization of what that was like. I agree with you 100% its exactly like that scene but with 100 different thoughts zaping around your brain
yeah i did shrooms last year idk what kind but my friend had bought them and gave them to me it was great. More calming and easier then LSD for sure. Shrooms builds up to the trip Acid its just like your normal then BAM shits weird hahahaha My friend did an 8th and 2 tabs and he completely blacked out after his trip started peaking he woke up the next morning: he lost his phone, keys and wallet and pissed himself. But hes more of a person who takes any drug and does it for fun. I meditate while on hallucinogens and its always very spiritual for me
Gotta disagree. 1 tab is taking Woodstock. 2 tabs is a whole other story. One little shred of nervousness or responsibility can turn your trip around in an instant. When I took 2 tabs it was slightly less than the video but still scary as I thought I would be stuck thinking like that forever. Thoughts never lasted for more than a few seconds but it felt like centuries while some were beautiful, others were terrifying. For some reason I kept repeating to my friend that I was going insane and the more I said it the more paranoid I got. A calm mindset and environment is essential for psychedelics. Shrooms was awesome. Everything had more meaning, everything was more beautiful, I felt closer to everyone... And really emotional. That's just me though
Yeah, this is about simulating an episode of psychosis, not LSD.
What most of the commenters here overview, its that LSD trips are quite similar to a psychosis.
With the visuals and them speaking I kind of had a flash back for a moment.
Good discussions going on here!
The title is highly misleading
Whilst it is in no way like an acid trip for me or any kind of trip I've ever had on any type of hallucinogen , at least she has attempted to bridge the gap and make non psychotics at least have a glimpse of something slightly like psychosis, its a step towards helping pysychotics! but the best help psychotics need is shamanic help , no one understands a psycotic more than a shaman
Thank you for the English subtitles.
She can't convince someone of a severe delusion of grandiose though. That is a lot scarier than hearing voices for me.
I don't know about how the various police agencies in the EU treat or behave towards people they encounter who they either KNOW are psychotic or schizophrenic, but I know that here in the United States, police agencies could definitely benefit from a device such as this one for training purposes. It would be really nice to get all police officers who work out in the field/streets, to go through some form of empathy training, even IF they are dealing with someone who may be or is schizophrenic and therefore "possibly" dangerous, but who then now have the necessary training to be better able to deal with these poor people in a way that is more humane. There are FAR too many unnecessary police shootings in the United States.
You and I BOTH know what the Police (and numerous other Government Agencies) would use this for (if they aren't already), and it sure isn't training.
Uncle Sam: "It is our policy (not officially of course) that we do NOT use torture in order to retrieve information from insurgents or terrorists (i.e., patriotic freedom fighters). But we DO use this technology to brainwash and/or train sleepers for assassinating political (or private) targets." When any U.S. political representative speaks about U.S. Foreign Interests they really should be saying: U.S. Corporate Foreign Interests...because that's REALLY what they are talking about.
To all the morons saying this is nothing like LSD, that it is not the intended effect. That is the name of the simulator "Digital LSD". The simulator is simulating psychosis. If any of you were capable of reading I wouldn't have to explain this.The intended effect of this simulation has nothing to do with LSD, nor is anyone claiming that LSD causes psychosis in the video or description.
What Dominic said is completely true you can't replicate the intensity of complex and strong emotion interacting with eachother
On another note this is really interesting and insightful. Good work Vice, just don't make misleading video titles, your going to get a lot of views either way.
I've done a greatdeal of psychedelic chemicals and my experiences were nothing like the portrayal in this video. quite frankly it seems like the woman who made this was ignorant to psychedelic altered consciousness. I've experienced psychosis from long term heroin and crack binges and it was much more paranoia and anxiety than anything.
And the hallucinations I saw during my acid psychosis for a couple days after my hell trip were like indescribable demons coming after me and taunting me and torturing me for eternity. Hell aint fun.
I feel scared and im not even 3 minutes into this. Cant keep watching
wuss
the real scare is whe she says she wants to make this fully immersive and realistic in a way that you won't even know you have the device on, am I the only one here who thinks this would totally be a wepon's grade technology, just making crazy people just like that, on contact lenses maybe she says, and then you put them on and you no longer now you have them? wtf, THIS IS SCARY, not the silly images
The senseless instructions the subject followed about six minutes in seems accurate. I suffered a psychotic break on the street after a stressful argument with a friend. I had been observing traffic lights and became extremely sensitive to the meaning of colors (ie: If someone wearing a red jacket passed by me I could no longer walk in the same direction.) It was as if I left my body leaving behind a shell to fend for itself. I have never used heroin or LSD so this was terrifying to say the least. Oh well, I guess bums like me get hacked up in Vancouver quite often. How many more of us dodged junkie lables? ;)
It looks like the hardest thing about that simulator is the choppy feed, not the voices or effects...
Misleading title...shame on you motherboard !
not anything like lsd.....
lol
***** you done goofed
uh oh. nick is onto us
PLEASE revisit this! Would love to see how it has improved with new VR technology
i guess this could be a less intense and more laggy version of my 1/4oz shroom trip. but the shrooms had alot more visual warping closed-eye visuals that made you wanna keep your eyes wide open. and what she said about sound becoming indistinguishable its pretty true, its like everything comes at you all at once. but i didnt hear any voices that werent my own. id say this lady is on the right track. but she's been working on this for nine years?
shittest wii game ever
Why oh why did they have to call this machine LSD. I feel this is purposely trying to defame a beautiful substance with so so many legitimate uses.
I feel like in order to actually simulate visuals from lsd you’d need some sort of AR technology that displays patterns that aren’t there on flat surfaces. I’m sure this is very hard to do considering what kind of coding you’d have to go through but it’d be a great experience through this headset
One thing to note is that for the most part, they (the people testing the mask) know for certain that they can remove the mask and go back to normal so they have that comfort of knowing it will all just go away and end.
She needs to name it something else, LSD is nothing like this.
Having to read the subtitles so fast was crap, why do people not put any thought into that?
The subtitles were actually a little slower than their spoken words, but not by much. Of course, it didn't help that the simulated psychosis was going on at the same time as the speech and the sub-titles, but I think that's kind of the point of the "digital LSD" in the first place. I speak enough German to catch about one word in three, and I've travelled to Germany a couple times, before. In addition to capturing the disconnected and distracted experience of psychosis, the subtitles of this video are an awful lot like being a non-native speaker in a foreign country; conversation comes at you so quickly, you can only get bits and pieces of meaning. In a way, I have to admire what they achieved, here. If the goal is to empathize with someone operating under a handicap, this video manages to provide that experience on several levels at once.
Yeah, no the subtitles are too quick... I am bilingual English, Greek and I can see what you're saying but they could do a way better job on the subtitles.
Shawn Bean For someone that claims that they've been to Germany enough times to understand it, I would have assumed that you'd know that they're speaking Dutch.
LOL Back to the subs Mr. Bean :O
Willem Cohen I see how you got that impression, but that is not what I said. I was comparing trying to follow the English subtitles on this video to my experiences travelling in Germany when I don't speak enough German to be able to hold my own in a conversation.
Woop woop I don't need any subtitles, that's always such a good feeling
ive taken drugs for years, lsd, speed, heroin, and the worst psychosis ive had is off ecstacy, nothing like this, maybe the scene with the light bulb, if that was on with the noise constantly, most psychosis will be sat staring up at the ceiling in a corner of a room with that numbness pecking at your head thats silent but feels loud at the same time, only way i can describe it
I´ve tried LSD 30+ times in my life.. ofc i been scary while im alone or with bad friends. but never seen the pure " green or blue " ... and I have heard very scary sillience sounds but no ppl yelling in my head. Sorry this digital progam isn't a good ide to approve its not the same effect as the real one
oculus rift would be perfect for this
It's not very high resolution and doesn't take up the entire field of vision, I think it would run into the exact same problems.
sry oculus is totaly submersive and yes the dev kit 2 is high resolution pls google.
***** I have a rift
Amazing -- great idea!
i did a 10 strip (i have narcissistic personality disorder and didnt know at the time), and i had a major identity crisis until i went and started banging my head on a counter, cause it stopped the thinking. i dont think visually this is close, but the idea of clutter in the head was very agreeable
You're still fucking alive? I thought it was impossible