HAF F-16 vs Turkish F-16? Reaction and Breakdown of the HAF 80th 336M Teaser
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The HAF put out a video celebrating the Squadron 336's 80th anniversary recently. Many have pointed out it may include footage of engagements with Turkish F-16s. Former F-16 pilot breaks down the video. Looking for a good book? Check out the SPECTRE Series or The Alex Shepherd Series: www.cwlemoine.com
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www.haf.gr/2023/06/epeteios-8...
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You guys are 100% correct, it's a Spitfire. The source I found about the squadron history wasn't accurate. They did fly the Spitfire after the Hurricane, so it does make sense. When translated, the link in the description even mentions that the Spitfire will be part of the event. "The event will include a reading of the Order of the Day, an echo display, a static display, a formation flight of the Squadron's F-16M aircraft with the Spitfire, unveiling of a monument to fallen Airmen and the awarding of anniversary gifts." As for why they took the video down, I have no idea. It was originally posted to the website in the description, but is now gone.
The video is private now. kzhead.info/sun/ecpsj8agjaxvf6s/bejne.html
On the profiles on your video, Hurricane/Spitfire, the spitfire has a nice “bubble” canopy compared with the Hurricane. The spitfire’s tail wheel is angled backwards (streamlined). Also on the video of the spitfire, notice it’s clipped wingtips a feature found on some Spitfires, but never on the Hurricane. Thanks for the video, fly safe!!! Semper Fi!
My oldest brother is a plane geek and says its most likely a Mk V Spitfire. Without knowing context he said that a lot of Mk V Spitfires from North Africa and the Meditaranian had their wings clipped. This made them more maneuverable and gave them a bit more speed. There is a lot of Spitfire info at Wikipedia under the "Mk V (Types 331, 349 and 352)" with pictures.
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This is a teaser video for the 80 years of the 336 squadron, first created in North Afrika during February 1943 and manned by escapees airmen after the Nazi conquest of Greece in 1941. The squadron operated in North Afrika, Kreta, Dodecanese Islands, Italy, Albania and Jugoslavia during the II ww operating Huricanes and from 1944 operating with Spitfires (which also played significant role during the Greek civil war against the communists). The propeller aircraft is a recently restored Spitfire mk Vc. The squadron from 1949 was flying Helldivers and from 1954 F-84s Gs and Fs. From 1965 they were flying F-104Gs and from 1995 to 2007 they were flying A-7s. Their current plane since 2015 is the F-16 52+ ADV. Having spent many summers in the Artemision area of North Evoia Island I still remember with amazement the squadron's striking "trainning" flying just above the waves with the Starfighters or the A7s. Now with the F16s you see them only at very high altitude, day or night, one plane ahead and two more following a couple of miles behind. This squadron is placed in center Greece and covers the Center Agean sea and Skyros Island. It is a very historic squadron with a lot of experience in striking and pursuit missions, taking also part in trainning missions outside Greece. I think In this video they included only trainning futage and not actual dogfighting with turkish planes. In the near future probably they will train regularly with US marines since the area has been offered as a training ground of the Marines.
I have not seen a official notice but wanted to notify every one that Brian Schul passed away last week. He flew the SR-71 and wrote the book, Sled Pilot, he was 71,RIP!
AskedSled driver but alright
He flew the sr71 but died at 71?
I believe he died in May.
@@That1-Phantom-PilotWhy is that surprising?
@@rogerkober9836 Sr- 71 and died at age 71
It’s a spitfire designed to work better at low altitude, with clipped wings to increase roll rate. (At the expense of high altitude cruise efficiency)
Sometimes referred to as Clipped, cropped and clapped back in the day.. Clipped wings, cropped supercharger impeller, and usually were older battle worn Spitfires, so clapped (out)
That wold be my guess. Probably LF Mk. IX, or Mk.V C (a pair of 20 mm canons is clearly visible, although I am, not sure they made Mk.Vs with clipped wings).
Agreed. I think it's a 20mm armed clipped-wing Mk. IX.
Spitfire it is! Love those war machines. I wish I could by it one day
Wanted to comment on that but then I thought it was uploaded 2 hours ago. Bet there's like 50 comments on this.
Thanks for doing this, Mover! It's great to see you doing breakdowns again. Much love.
MkIXc Spitfire, MJ755, clipped wing. Restoration by Biggin Hill Heritage Hangar, UK for the Hellenic airforce
Ahhhh Clipped wing. That’s why I found it quite confusing
The rear looks more MkV than MkIX though.
@@Orvieta the larger sharper rudder was a late upgrade to some MkIXc spits, some got them straight from the factory, the majority came with the pictured rudder and some had it replaced near the end or after the war. Depends on what period they wanted to represent I would guess.
@@falken_gt4 I always read that all MkIX had that pointy rudder, guess not, ty.
@@Orvieta No probs, I only know as I am modelling MJ627 which I had a flight in and wanted to know which rudder it would have had in 1944! :)
Btw the ww2 plane is a Greek veteran Spitfire airplane that was restored
Appreciate you sharing your knowledge and experience with us!
Informative and instructional - good commentary. Thanks.
When I was stationed in Crete, our barracks were about 1/8th mile away from a HAF runway. They had QRF fighters launching constantly whenever a Turkish fighter would play chicken with their airspace. I hated being a day sleeper! 😫
greeks are the real chickens,,,, you are not men enouvgh but talks more than others,,,,we are in cyprus where are you?? sleeping in creete? goood night sirtaki good night
We don’t play chicken, we play Greeks
@@mehmetkale1226 Your pilots are incompetent lol
Nice brakedown! I wanted to mention that this was a Spit MkIXc, but it has been already mentioned. Very good catch on all of the details. 336 Sq. flies F-16C/D Blk52+ Adv. and they are soon to be upgraded to F-16V Blk72.
Nice recognition! The clipped wingtips lead me to believe that it's a IXe, IIRC that one had those clipped wingtips.
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@@seaside2348 well, *almost" ordered. LoR has been sent. Also, F-35A is to replace F-4E AUP in HAF service. The F-16 will remain in service for years to come.
Nice analysis. Just finished book 3 of Spectre. Nice job! 👍🏼
Informative and entertaining as always.
Hi Mover, hope you're doing well. A little bit of a correction, the dorsal spine on the D model isn't a conformal fuel tank. It contains no fuel at all and is used purely for electronics/avionics. The two CFTs that block 40/42+,50/52+,52M,60,70/72 can be eqquiped with go symmetrically next to it, right at the root of the wings. I think you may also have mentioned viper spines being used as fuel tanks in your "Spectre Rising" (which is a masterpiece BTW, just finished the series and gonna start the Alex Shepherd series), but although a possible modification concept, no viper block yet produced can carry fuel in the spine. Obviously in the Spectre universe the block 70 may be different than irl, which I think is very creative and allows more freedom when writing. All the best👍
Yeah, that's a Spitfire. I agree that it _should_ be a Hurricane given the squadron's lineage, the problem is there just aren't very many airworthy Hurricanes left in the world - and none of them live in Greece, whereas the HAF _does_ have a flyable Spitfire on inventory. More critically, the tailwheel and wingtips (at least!) are clearly not Hurricane parts (though the shot in the HAF video is taken from a pretty terrible angle for recognition purposes).
Cheers mate, brief and concise, like always. It's always appreciated in this era of bloat!
Very interesting video Mover, thank you!
"It's like sitting in a lounge chair, killing your enemies." That quote just made my day. :)
Dear Mover. The basement of this video is to honor the 336 sqn "foxes" for their 80 years of service. Foxes are from their task when they got to hunt erwin rommel, known as the "desert fox" in the egyptian desert in 1944. Almost all "combat" footage are training duties inbetween them but tbh i think of thatone too that shows the turkish f-16 aswell. The wwii plane is indeed a spitfire with the code MJ755 wich was 2-3 years ago restored to fly again (unfortunately cant put a clear pic here). Its not usual for the HAF to put intercepts for public show. Thats raither the "neighbour`s job" but im sure you know that. Thank you for your commentary. Dont forget: yours and all the wings that pilots wear, are symbolizing the icarus wings. Icarus and hes father Daedalus tried to escape from the Minoan`s palace in crete.
336 Sqn "Olympos". Foxes is 340 Sqn Based in Souda, Crete
Yea bro they weren’t in Africa in 1944 depending on the date they’re in Italy or preparing for d day. the latest they were there was in Africa was 1943
It is a Spitfire LF Mk Vb/Vc (with clipped wings) of the Royal Hellenic Air Force, 336 OLYMPOS SQ. The aircraft served the RHAF from 1943-1953.
Love it Man , I've not been watching you for a while , I read majority of your books , loved the hellIicopter o stuffs , loved the "other two" mates you have dearly as I like you. Just my life got in the way , I did however appreciate the clear and concise you bring to this , I'm a bit lost with some of the terms but understand its got to be succinct so I need to learn. Well done and thanks for bringing me in again! YOU ARE GREAT!
Can’t wait to see some HAF Rafale videos
Very informational thank you
It's fascinating hearing a pro talk about the SA the HUD symbology is giving, and doing a proper AAR. Good shit. V/R, a grunt.
The view from the cockpit is fantastic, so to speak.
Thanks for posting this! I'd be happy listening to you talk hud footage at me all day. Check 6!
Once again another quality and awesome breakdown. Thanks Mover
You are a fantastic writer C. W! This book is do complex, multiple storylines interfacing seamlessly and lots of tension, psychological drama, inside info. It's heartbreakung in some ways. Poignant. You are a very authentic writer, your personal voice comes through very clearly! If my eyes hadn't buggered up I am sure I would have sat up all night resting it in one sitting!
It`s a Spitfire. Flies regularly in events and ceremonies in Greece
Thanks Mover. Love the content. Would you consider reviewing some of Growling Sidewinders fights? As someone with limited understanding of the tactics, he seems like a hell of a pilot but i would love to know what you think.
Good stuff!!!! Thanks
You should take a look at the 1981 Attack on H3 airbase: One of the absolute most interesting, mind blowing, and succesful airstrikes in aviation history.
The larger tail and forward cockpit identifies it as a Spitfire 👍
Spit Mk.IX (9) Low.Fighter Clipped wing XD : It's the same one they have in DCS Short nose,4 blades, 2 cooling scoop & the fix drag wheel. Hurricane have the center scoop,3 blade & look boxy
Thank you, Mover!
I know everyone's already identified the Spitfire, but I wanted to comment from a non-expert point of view. I compared the sample image of the two aircraft with the one in the video and found some subtle but distinct differences that led me to believe it was the plane on the right (which turns out was the spitfire). 1. The shape of the top of the engine bay is curved downward on the hurricane but straight out from the cockpit glass on the spitfire (the same as the video). 2. There is a kink on the bottom of the tail section of the fuselage on the hurricane and again straight on the spitfire (the same as the video, but less apparent due to view angle). 3. The cockpit seems distinctly like the one of the right (spitfire again) - I can't explain - just looks like it. 4. And finally, the nail in the coffin is the tail wheel assembly. The left pic has a stubby scaffolding look to it while the right has a single strut protruding at an angle (the same as the video). So in summary, I figured it was the right-hand plane, but since your video didn't identify which plane was which I still had no clue until I read the comments. Good stuff!
Sir, have you done a video on Devotion yet? Love your stuff and been glued to the Maverick series for a couple days.
Good day, it's a Spitfire..this particular plane was in Athens museum from 70s as a remain from late 40s to 50s ...this plane was total restored in England and delivered in fly condition last year and fly in ceremonial occasions and once a week for training..is based in Athens Tatoi airfield where the HAF museum exist..
I got to see the Thunderbirds for the first time last Saturday it was awesome.
The later Spitfires had “clipped” (squared off) wing tips as it was later found this improved manoeuvrability.
***and I'm a writer so mind you I almost never compliment another writer!
Its a Spitfire, you can tell by the size of the vertical stab and the distance from the canopy to the stab.
Enjoyed the video
2:19 it's a clipped wings Spitfire. It was in Greece 1 or 2 years ago. There are videos about it.
That canopy what a view.
Looks like a clipped wing Spitfire, judging by the dual radiators, the oil cooler below the engine, semi-bubble canopy and the squared off wing tips. Which specific one is it, I can't tell.
Mk IX CW
i dont know if there was Hurricanes with CW Cutted Wings, but for me its a beauty of a Spitfire. More straight lines than a Hurrican with its more bulky lines
Can you tell me what the refresh rate is on the 16 hud? Like the update frequency/framerate of the pitch ladder? Got in an argument with some DCS devs because tapes like this suggest at least 30 (since everything changes with every frame), but they have everything locked down to 20 (including the velocity/alt update which I think is supposed to be only 5?) because the databus runs at 20. Is the hud 60 just like the hmcs? I could find unclassified specs on the hmcs but just not the hud itself.
I purchased the first one for myself at Christmas and was well into it and then I developed of all ironic things. Some confounding eye problems ! For about two months I really couldn't read!! I live to read!!! But now am getting better and back into SPECTRE RISING, no spoilers I'm at the part where Soectre is taking heroic action!
I fly a Rutan LongEZ, currently in the ThunderChicken paint scheme. A civilian, poor man's F-16 with a canard and the engine on the ass. a Bubble canopy cockpit, side stick control, left throttle, reclined seat, phenomenal views. Not for aerobatics or crazy maneuvers though, those don't excite me anymore, I just like to go places and have views. It's Affordable to fly at 6 gph. 140 knot cruise. 52 galls on gas if full tanks. Zip around the country. My plan is to attend as many flyins shows in 2024 as possible after my cockpit Garmin avionics upgrade is complete this fall. Mover, You should get one.
The first major or obvious difference between the Hurricane and the Spit is the shape of the wings. The Hurricane has more or less, "squared" tipped wings, and the Spit has Eliptical (i.e., rounded) shaped wings on it. Also, the fuselage and canopy on the Spit is lower and more aerodynamic than the Hurricane's.
@2:18 its a Supermarine Spitfire Mk VB/VC Role: Fighter Dimensions: Wingspan 11.23 m, Length 9.12 m, Height 3.86 m Engine: 1 x Rolls-Royce Merlin 45 (1515 hp) Armament: 2 x 20mm Hispano MK II machine guns, 4 x 0.303in Browning Mk II machine guns, 500 lb of bomb payload Crew: 1 Number in service: 107 Country of production: Great Britain Years in service: 1943 - 1953 Greece received the first Supermarine Spitfire Mk VB/VC from the British in the MIddle East at the end of 1943. Initially they equipped the 336 Interceptor Squadron and afterwards the 335 Interceptor Squadron. After extensive military action over North Africa and Jugoslavia, the Greek Spitfires returned to Greece in October 1944. After they took part to the early battles of the Civil War, they were replaced in combat duties by new versions and, from 1947, they were used for training in combat tactics in the Air Force Flight School.
Great breakdown as always love your videos, but that is a Spitfire look closely. You can see it’s got a little tiny bubble type canopy the hurricane never had that 150% a Spitfire
So no Hurricanes with Malcom hoods?
That was a Spitfire for sure. Longer and slimmer than the Hurricane. More elegant. 😊
It's a Spitfire...Spitfires had one-piece domed canopy as did the plane in the video, whereas the Hurricane has a canopy with dividers to support the panes...
Very Nice Video, Thank U Mover.
Great analysis Mover...
Cool stuff!
Dear C.W. Lemoine I enjoy watching your videos from Turkey. There are many languages in KZhead automatic subtitle translation languages, but unfortunately there is no Turkish subtitle option among these languages.
Terrific, Mover!
Yes this is restored spitfire it was fore many many years as a static display in our war musium. I do have pictures from the cockpit of the spitfire mark iX
Another reason for moving the lights from the mains to the nose had to do with the LANTIRN pods.
Very educational.
So, is there an advantage to having slammers on the wingtips and heaters under the wings? Or is it irrelevant and they load it that way because it's easier?
Wing flutter.
@@CWLemoine Got it, thanks. I always wondered.
Folks, Greece and Turkey have been conducting test-training dog fight flights in the Aegean Sea for a long time, sometimes the Turks and sometimes the Greeks are in the offensive, most of those planes are from their National Nato air base units. just don't take it too seriously.
The most accurate comment.
They also violate our airspace a thousand time every year. So it's not difficult to make a video like this.
@@neraidozouzouno5919A thousand times? Do not be funny. You have unreasonably increased your airspace over the Aegean islands to 10 miles and Turkey does not recognize this decision. In fact, no country in the world recognizes it. The reason is that your sea area is 6 miles and your airspace is 10 miles, which is unreasonable. Classic greek bullshit. Every time Turkish jets enter 10 miles, you complain that the Turks are violating our airspace. However, when we passed only 6 miles, there must have been a violation.
thats no truth!!
its real dogfight and not test-training
It's a Spitfire. There is a news story about a Spitfire that flew from England to Athens after being restored. Originally 77 Spitfires were presented to the Royal Hellenic Air Force in 1947. This could be the restored aircraft ?
Def a Spitfire. I used to build lot of models. You said you remember your first love, Spitfire with clipped wings was my first model i made. This is Spitfire with clipped wings.
Its a spitfire mark IX which we have it since after ww2, it took part in civil war 1947 -49 and it been restored to flyworthy condition in the last 5 years. Its the only one of its type in flyworthy condition in the word. It flys on our parades and in special events, such as when the Rafales came to their new nests.
I have a question that may sound stupid but why did they put the 120's on the wingtip and the 9's on the underwing pylons... wouldn't it be more structurally and aerodynamically better to have the missiles switched?
Hey Mover. Where did you get that shirt from? And how can i get my hands on one?
Great question. A fan sent it to me.
It is a mk 9c spit they used during the civ. war after 2ww. The clip has to do with 80th "birthday" of the sqd. Actual but different interception footage. Thanks mover
Hello Mover Could you tell me where are the other air traffic in the air when you and Gonky where flying. Are the other planes higher above you or are they below you. What i mean is airliners and other planes when you are refueling and doing other maneuvers. I know this is not related to this video and I'm not a pilot. I watch alot of your videos with you and Gonky you guys are amazing what you can do. Not everyone can be a fighter pilot. That has to be the coolest thing flying F-18, F-16, T-38 s. Thanks Mover keep up the fantastic work.
The early 20 teens there where a number of intercepts by the HAF of Turkish AF fighters iirc reading about them in Combat Aircraft.
someone needs to get mover a WW2 aircraft recognition book ;P
Can't wait for footage from our new Rafales
Good stuff
Random question at around 1:50 it shows red letter d in front of the jets while parked what is it for just a keep clear area?
The half moon is an intake danger area.
Hi Mover . Check the tail landing gear . Its a Spitfire ! :)
It's a Spitfire alright. The Greeks had both Spits and Hurricanes, but the Hurricane had a different canopy design and an overall bulkier silhouette.
The DCS version is a Block 50. But as far as i know the only difference between the 50 and the 52 is which engine is in the jet. The 50 has the GE engine and the 52 has the Pratt & Whitney engine
I think the Block 50 also has a larger air intake than the 52. So the former has more drag than the latter, but makes up for it with more thrust.
@@Hypernefelos correct the GE engine needed a wider intake so the Block 40, 50, and 60 have a wide mouth intake while the 42, and 52 have the original intake
This is Block 52+ ADVANCED or else 52M variant it is more advanced than the 50 of the CCIP as for the classification yeah the engine is the main difference but there are more like the air intake (sucker) and more
hello it`s defently a spitfire. I fact i saw it up close last year at the" tiger meet" held near my home city (home of the 336 squadron ) got some photos of it too dont think i can up load here
It's a clipped wing spitfire. Late war was used to go after 262 and buzz bombs
@11:50 DCS uses an F-16C bl.50 CCIP , that's what the turkish air force uses in some of their squadrons. HAF 336 in the video is an F-16C bl.52+ Advanced. I think they are in a similar level but the Greek one is more advanced, as you can see in the video it also has a digital map on the right MFD like the Hornet has, CCIP doesn't have a digital map.
I'm no subject matter expert but that looks like a Spitty MkIV with the clipped wings and that style canopy. I have a brother who knows planes and I'm waiting on his opinion. The jet videos are very cool, fighter pilots are amazing!(good ones anyway 😂)
My oldest brother is a plane geek and says its most likely a Mk V Spitfire. Without knowing context he said that a lot of Mk V Spitfires from North Africa and the Meditaranian had their wings clipped. This made them more maneuverable and gave them a bit more speed. There is a lot of Spitfire info at Wikipedia under the "Mk V (Types 331, 349 and 352)" with pictures.
The easiest way to tell the Hurricane from the Spitfire is the canopy. The Spit has a sort of bubble canopy and the Hurricane has lots of little glass panels.
Also, one looks like a Spitfire! 😆
@@paulmurgatroyd6372 and the other doesn't 😅
the other big teller is the trailing edge wing root, the spit's one curves far more distinctly than the hurricane does, because the spit wing is thinner and its curve into the fuselage is more prominent
Would have thort the big scoop underneath the hurricane would have been the easiest.
@@animaltvi9515 one subtle one is the "cone angle" of the rear fuselage. That does it quite well for me.
The old plane is the Spitfire LF MK.IXc MJ755
Good to hear from ya Mover
6:51 This plane is a spitfire I know it because I’ve seen it in person and you can also search it if you want:) Also if you want to see more dogfights you can search molon lave f-16. Which is a KZhead channel of a haf pilot.
Spitfire LF Mk IX ... tail number: MJ 755
Hi very nice video the plane is a spitfire its a historical plane who belonged to the greek air force during ww2 it was restored in Great Britain and is used for ceremonial purposes
The WW2 aircraft is clearly a Spitfire. It has clipped wings, so it is a low altitude fighter.
I never knew MOVER was an adversary pilot , very cool being the bad guy is more fun ... 😁😁
One fun thing about the HAF's paintjob is that it is the same that was used by the US Navy Top Gun Aggressor F-16N Block 30 Vipers.
Hi friend, just a small correction. The F-16N paint scheme isn't the exact same as the HAF vipers. It is unique and although quite similar to the "Aegean Ghost" scheme, each paintjob differs in pattern and color variation (look at the blue tones of Navy Vipers and the brown tones on Greek ones). Additionally, HAF F-16s have different coatings per block. 30s and 50s have just FS paint similar to the F-16N one, which over time creates a white weathering effect. The 52+ have a HG (Have Glass, it's essentially metal grains embedded in the coating along with glass grains to reduce RCS) coating that becomes nearly black as time goes on and finally the 52M HG coating pretty much maintains its colors with nearly zero weathering, at lest compared to other HAF variants. Cheers!
@@Weaver1-1 ; According to an LM source FS36307, FS36251, FS35237 are used in the base "Aegean Ghost" scheme. Which is the same as F-16N's "Ghost" scheme with FS36307, FS36251, FS35237 was. (Others were "Powder Puff" with FS35450, FS35622 and "Sukoi 2 tone" with FS35109, FS35237, FS36495) Hence my comment. Thanks for the info about HG paints though.
@@FirstDagger Thanks for the reply man. Apparently, USN "ghost" scheme uses the colors you mentioned and Block 30 F-16s in HAF service initially also used the same colors, but with slightly different patterns and the leading edges of the wings and horizontal stabilizers are different from what I can tell. Also HAF Vipers use FS36320, which I'm not sure F-16Ns ever used.
@@Weaver1-1 ; Do you mean for the nose cone? Because that really isn't FS36320 but a rubber coating with similar color to FS36320. Given that F-16N are F-16C Block 30 they will most likely have used the same coating. Though apparently more modern HAF Vipers have a more blue base color for the nose cone, though the rubber coating on all Vipers gets dirty and is covered to almost dark grey, which can be cleaned to the base color again.
It's definitely a Spitfire bc it has dihedral on the wings. Hurricane does not, wings are straight flat. The canopy is also Spitfire. Hurricane has a canopy similar to a Wildcat.
What is the rationale for choosing to mount the AIM-120s on the wingtips, and AIM-9s (or in this case IRIS-T) on the underwing pylons, instead of vice versa? I know they're interchangeable, but still -- why?
Wing flutter. The weight stabilizes the F-16's wingtips.
The Drive has a good article on this titled "The Definitive Answer On Why F-16s Carry AIM-120 AMRAAMs On Their Wingtip Rails", the TL;DR is that the heavier AMRAAM reduces wing flutter compared to the AIM-9, thus increasing wing life. Which is why the majority of Vipers you will see have AMRAAM on the wingtips.
@@CWLemoine what do you think of the overwing pylons the old Jaguars used to have?
Great show mover
First HUD footage: -The number? -(Radar) For the next(?) 040 (?) The second fight BRA 07029, pair (2). Second HUD - Informing the Radar - The (?) 2 F-16s are Armed. (the Turkish) Last HUD footage - I'm with the 1 (meaning the Turkish formation leader).
It is a Spitfire. You can tell from the shape of the cockpit.
Greeks and Turks pilots are not going to do damage to each other. Just to show off and take some valuable lessons. However we did had some accidents in both sides, because that goes for decades now, and it was sad for both of us. One thing is politics but we do respect each other and especially our fighters.
It almost became a national sport since we didn’t have enough soccer tournaments to shout at each other 😅 But I must admit, it’s great for pilots to train this way, in the end both are nato pilots hehe
Weird. The HAF is now running around with AIM9L/X, IRIS-T, and IR MICA's (for their RAFALE wing). 3 different types of IR AAM.
The F16 is just beautiful