This is a crazy story with a sad ending! The lead actor is a fake 41mm Rolex Submariner (reference 124060) that a client found out he had been scammed with when he brought it in for an authentication. During the video, we do a visual. side-by-side comparison of the replica and a real version of the Sub, as well as a microscope analysis of both watches (up to 55X magnification). The results will shock you!
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00:00 Intro
00:34 How does the clone score vs the authentic watch under testing?
00:54 Microscope external analysis.
05:13 Comparing both movements under the microscope.
06:42 An unexpected surprise.
07:10 Final test…we had no other choice!
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So…. I can stay on “the list” and never get to pay $10k, instead I can pay 1/20th now and get something that’s 99.9% the same? Sign me up.
China: “thanks for the feedback! We’ll improve our quality”
lol
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Exactly what I tought
If we have to look under a microscope at 30x to barely tell any difference, I have some rethinking to do
55x, not 30x. But I totally agree with you.
and in some aspects the replica looks better finished to me...at least when i watch it on my phonescreen.🤡
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Have you seen the video? It's all obvious by the casebacks and crowns @ 3:30 already
Exactly. No one is scrutinizing your watch on your wrist to that level.
If you wear a real Rolex, most would think it’s a fake anyway so save your money and buy fake.
Unless you really want to know what time it is, then you buy a $2 quartz watch or just look at your phone.
Definitely the dumbest comment I've seen today. Those that want a Rolex should buy a real Rolex. Period.
I've said it a million times: On the wrist no one, and I mean NO ONE can tell it's a replica.
I can tell a super rep from a couple feet away depending on the model. A bad replica can be spotted from across a room if you know your stuff.
@@TDswallowJAKES😂😂😂😂 kilt me
@@diznutz5110you couldn’t though
Have you seen the video? It's all obvious by the casebacks and crowns @3:30 already
@@diznutz5110 - If I were standing 10' from you wearing that VSF Sub in the video, you would NOT be able to tell it's a replica.
The fake looks better in some areas better than the real.
Seems like the best option is to have a real movement in a fake case. Best of both worlds!
@@wreagfe Or just a cheap ETA-Valjoux movement. I think Rolex used to do that, too.
Plot twist: the real was destroyed
😂😂😂
...he couldn't tell either...lol
So fakes now have better printing technique than the real deal .... we are now in the real of ... oh thats fake, the real letters have more imperfections
Just keep on paying Rolex inflated prices for mass produced watches, artificial shortage and unfriendly customer practices. These watches can be had 10x cheaper for 90% of the quality. Remember REAL value and workmanship can't be replicated.
Bro your comment is 100% contradictory!!! Makes no sense
More like 99% of the quality for 1% of the price.
@@salimf2286 he's very confused, lol
CNC machines are expensive
They spend so much money, time and effort to produce fakes. Same thing with China’s knife industry. They learned to produce their own brands of high end knives and there is a market for them surprisingly. Why not produce Chinese luxury watches, there’s idiots that would buy them.
Conclusion, the fake is made better lol
To be honest with you, you have not convinced me into spending an additional 15 grand on a watch that less than one percent of humans on the planet earth can even tell the difference of 🤷♂️
And that doesn't tell time all that well, either.
@@wholeNwon time is short I know that
I disagree on the “submariner” lettering. The fake looked cleaner.
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What we said is that the edges of the number 20 are not as precise as in the Rolex watch, which is true. The overspray is not really visible to the naked eye and even if you were to say that the crown in the replica is "better," the actual watch is still not "better," not by far.
pretty much everything thats wrong is not visible to the naked eye anyways@@Crmjewelers
Where do we buy these replicas?
I have a friend
$400 vs $10,000. Not much difference in appearance these days. And if people are really worried just go ahead and buy the super clone and buy a genuine bezel insert and a genuine dial. 99% issues solved. The whole point of super-clones is that you can wear a watch that looks like $10,000 on your wrist and if it ever gets stolen it's only $400 out of your pocket.
Fakes in any industry always get better over time, but the reality is that the majority of people don't get fakes so they can be a few hundred dollars out of pocket if the watch gets stolen. The great majority do so because they want others to pretend that they have a real luxury watch on. I would much rather get an authentic model from another brand for a few hundred dollars that still looks good. What's the obsession with having a Rolex at any cost? 🤷
@Crmjewelers I guess it ultimately depends on the person buying the rep. There are many many people out there who NEED to wear a rolex at any cost. Others like me buy the watch I think looks the best to me and on my wrist. I don't buy watches for others to look at. They are for me to appreciate. If I travel to a less reputable country and by chance get robbed, I'd rather they take my $400 rep than my $10,000 gen. Whatever you wear, wear it in good health.
I hear you Mike, but the safest option if you're worried that someone will rob you is not to wear a fake watch, but not to wear one at all. The guy robbing you will probably not know the watch is fake and may still hurt you in the process. Someone's safety is way more important than their money and I totally disagree that certain people can't live without a Rolex. I say it's more important for someone to live within their means and be grateful for the truly important things in their life than getting a warm and fuzzy feeling inside from wearing a Rolex...or should I say, Folex?
@Crmjewelers That's true, the safest option would be not to wear anything at all. But then what is the fun in life if we're not going take risks? I just mean to mitigate the risk as much as I can while enjoying life as much as I can as well.
True, but I can just as easily enjoy life wearing a Casio my friend. The benefits of not risking my life are much greater than the feeling of wearing a luxury watch. 🤷
its crazy that you think that the fake looks cleaner during magnification lol
I hear the superclone makers have perfected the red and blue ceramic. Maybe Rolex should reach out to them 😂
lol
Really! They should. outsourcing!
Destroyed a perfectly good Rolex!
That's not perfect and it's surely not a Rolex.
@@Crmjewelers ...but I bet you couldn't tell the difference if you saw it on my wrist in a casino, chief.
I have the money to buy a Submariner, but it's no way in hell I'm justifying a 2+ year waiting list to then drop $10,000 on an authentic when VSF replicas look indistinguishable and tell time the same way. It's to the point where you're simply supporting a smug, price gouging, marketing ripoff. No piece of stainless steel is worth what these people are charging.
Replica looks better than original
Because of the crown? 😂
The overspray on the Rolex diminishes the prestige of the watch in my opinion @@Crmjewelers
outside yes, but inside definitly not....but maybe soon
@@hallovelo2478 The overspray from Rolex makes it seem almost fake. You'd expect Rolex to have better quality control.
@@matthewlee2880 Rolex is not highend. Patek is highend
Hahahahaha…. So you just proved that in terms of quality to price ratio, you will receive a superior quality with a replica, and that’s under a 30x magnification.
Did you watch the actual video?
That is pretty much true with anything tbh. Most luxury type items are not worth it for the quality per $. They are the price cuz of the brand, and the slightly better quality etc. Like a honda civic is much better than a bike for lets say 10x the price, but a bmw m5 for 10x the price isnt that much better than the honda, and a 1/1 ferrari isnt that much better than the m5 for 10x the price. Diminishing marginal returns.
@@Crmjewelers yes. Watched the entire thing. I own 6 Genuine Rolex watches. One of them, the GMT Pepsi was purchased from my AD last May. The hour hand is 6 minutes behind the hour. That means the minute hand shows past the hour and the hour hand is still behind the hour marker. And the watch switches date at 12:05 instead of midnight. Not even genuine Rolex watches pass the QC always. I’ve seen replicas and I always wonder why I’ve spent so much money on my gens. I’m never selling, so who’s ripping me off here? The authentic pieces or if I buy the replica?
@@EricZ726you sound like a larper. The Rolex is clearly keeping better time than the replica. Appearance and quality are 2 different things
I have to agree with you. Also you are comparing a cheap replica with a real Rolex. Try to do the same comparison with a top end replica and you’ll find that even the accuracy is closer compared to the real deal.
I'd go with the replica! ❤
This has to be an "advert" for the fakes .
Nope. It's an educational video for consumers not to get ripped off.
The logo and writing look better on fake.
Funny how in some areas the fake actually looks better than the real. 2:11
Appearances can be deceiving 😉
Rolex = over spray on dial! My $25 Addiesdive quartz sub homage has a pristine crisp dial under 10x.
Crazy how one watch is $550 and the other one is around $10,000.
Clone is closer to $1000
and real one is closer to $2000, its retail price is $10,000 and that factors in advertising costs, etc.
$10,000? When was the last time you checked pricing on Rolex Subs? Used ones go for upwards of $30k. Believe it or not, brand new, if you don't die on a waiting list, will set you back about $20k-25k
In short, the real is not worth it.
It depends on how desperate an emotionally insecure man is to be noticed by a part of his small world.
@@wholeNwon well said 😀
Thanks for this video. Ive never been able to tell real from fake on wrist in public
And you still won't be able to tell the difference. This video and others on KZhead clearly show that, unless you have a microscope and someone is willing to let you inspect their timepiece, and you know what you look for, and you have a genuine watch with you for comparaison, you will never be able to tell for sure which one is the real one. Sad but just the truth...
Counterfeiter: "Thanks for the feedback, we will pass on your complaints to our planning and production department!"
Wow, such a deceptive Rolex! Sad but intriguing tale 😔
I heard the makers of the Superclones are using A.I. and within 2 years the movements, cases, dial, etc... will all be exact.
I'm guessing the superclone didn't clone Rolex's 32xx low amplitude problem. Perhaps the supercone will keep better time than the real Rolex.
*Literally* the 1st test was which one keeps better time 😂 The fake was 2x worse than the real at keeping time. You're welcome.
@@ALL-il1sw Or reality has been exposed.
Allot of people buy the original and a fake copy. They keep the original at home in a safe. And wear the fake ones... Just incase it gets lost, stolen or scratched
What is the point of that?
As a chinese super clone manufacturer, thank you, we will try to make it better next time
Hi, your video is perfect. Where did you bye the replica one?
Perhaps if you could spell "buy" correctly, you'd be successful enough to afford the real deal.
That clone certainly represents great value.
Also great video, You should do more.
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Meh, if I ever sell my Rolex I’ll make profit and it will go above retail. These fakes are an instant loss. Lol.
@@snapascrew Depends how moral you are, plenty of people on the secondary market get duped
@@snapascrew People resell Super clones for a profit all the time, many times faster than authentics. Knock it off, lol.
Hilarious if you had given the anvil treatment to the wrong watch!
Where to buy?
My opinion means nothing in the grand scheme, but Rolex AD’s created part of this problem by not selling to anyone off the street. If you can’t buy from AD and don’t want to pay in some cases crazy markup by grey market, what are you to do? I don’t have problem with reps, I have a problem when they are sold to unsuspecting buyers as genuine…not cool.
It’s a shame people use these to scam people but I don’t judge if you are going to save money for something nearly identical
Honestly, how they justify to sell the real one 20 -25 times the price of the fake ?
It's crazy how supply and demand works.
Mostly on supply and demand, but to be honest, research, quality control, production, etc. it really costs a way more than
@@arctic_ita as I heard creation of the masterpiece mechanism cost a fortune (around $1 million ) don't know if it's true
@@reefp5816 to develop a new mechanism for a "standard" automatic watch, costs around $3 million overall (design, project, prototyping, etc.), there's watches with more complication which would costs in the range of ten thousands or more. However after the repayment it's all income, for luxury watches they creates a "fake" scarcity to increase the bid (hence the prices). Clones however doesn't develop anything, they just copy.. the mechanism isn't reliable as the original ones (forget about it), neither the QA, however they aren't as bad as people would think. So the truth is in the middle.
@@Crmjewelers Or just plain crazy.
It would be funny if he had destroyed the original by mistake =D
You get what you pay for If my replica is stolen or damaged you just by a new replica The real one cost you a arm and a leg just for a cleaning job
Since no one on the street is looking at your watch at 30/55x magnification….replica for the Win!!!🥇 🏆
As long as you can fool others, you're good, right? 🤣🤣🤣
Wow. We learned something new today. Amazing finds.
Well done with the fake, but most of the blame goes to Rolex
So to the naked eye.. without having one side by side they are almost identical
I mean, counterfeit goods get better and better over time, whether we're talking about luxury watches or something else. However, fake will always mean fake, despite the owner's attempt to deceive others. When it comes to watches, an actual Rolex will always be more durable and better...Oh, and real.
@@Crmjewelers just thinking some of these guys we see around all flashy wearing subs and Daytonas might be actually wearing a fake.. 🤣🤣🤣
I mean, the pretentious ones on a budget likely do, but that'll never change. 🤷
@@CrmjewelersAs you've commented elsewhere here; I'd rather have a real Hamilton or Tissot, Seiko etc and be proud of it, than willingly getting a superclone Rolex. There are fake MoonSwatches all over marketplace. Except those are actually priced as real ones to scam people.
There is no Dang Dong 3230, the old VSF 114060 with the Dang Dong 3130 clone is probably the best Rolex clone ever, the current VSF 124060 (which is what this is) is superb but has a ghost date. The Clean 124060 uses a dressed up 3130 movement.
Where can I get this exact Replica?
So get a replica and polish it up… got it!
Hi, I have been watching your videos. I am interested to buy a very super clone Rolex GMT master 2 or a submariner super clone. Could you please share the address where I can purchase one. Thank you in advance.
Grey market is getting scary. Gotta gotta gotta get it under a scope. If the seller pushes back in any way to having a piece checked, I'm out. Personally, an extra $1-2K to buy from a trusted dealer who invested in the equipment to check EVERYTHING coming through is worth peace of mind. CRM is definitely on the short list of sellers I 💯 trust.
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Fakes are not grey market.
They could be very well there too. For every original Rolex there is 20 clones@@Outdoorshuntingshooting
No one will look under microscope trust me
when the clones have microstella and breguet overcoil (blued) it will become very tough. Lets see what happens to the prices when everybody knows that you need a microscope and a non fake to compare
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Yeah the real one is definitely worth $20,000 more 🤣🤣🤣
I mean, it's worth what the market is willing to pay. I know that a lot of people wish that supply and demand wouldn't be what it is, but economics is economics. 🤷
Then go buy literally anything else
Rolex is just a fantastic marketing company, just the same as companies like balenciaga convince people that it's cool to pay $800 for a t-shirt full of holes 🤣🤣🤣
I mean, isn't marketing a big part of anything that people buy? 🤷
@Crmjewelers of course I'm just saying rolex is absolutely fantastic at it 😅
This is why replicas are so good 😅 & by the way ! Nothing is perfect.
Who is making the replica?
just watched this video and now I'm questioning every watch I've ever owned
There's no better way not to get scammed than by educating yourself by friend 🤷
Great video but you guys forgot to mention the 2 main giveaway this is a replica movement. 1. The missing of a free sprung balance on the replica, 2. The missing of micro-stella balance screws on the replica.
The sad thing is the replicas are getting so good that unless your an expert and understand microscopic techniques you can not tell the difference. The Rolex will cost you tens of thousands the super clone is about £1000 and there’s not much difference between the two watches.
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It's scary how good these fakes have gotten. I wonder how long it will be until they hit their ceiling and it's no longer possible to refine them further without being cost prohibitive?
I think they're close to that level already.
@@Crmjewelers I agree. I mean how much better can they get, without being done by Rolex themselves. The reality is no one is going to know unless you do a thorough look through like this. I hope ppl dont get duped but many ppl can’t afford a submariner or rolex for that matter and if it can help their career by striking a conversation with someone who can help them then I say go for it. It really is only helping g the biggest watch brand if more “Rolexes” are on wrists. I don’t condone it but it’s never going to stop and they will only get better and better . So buy from an authorized dealer or well know grey dealer like CRM if you are an enthusiast or have the money and let the ppl who can’t afford these amazing timepieces enjoy what we love :) peace in the world !!
what do you think is the actual production cost of a Rolex???
@@hallovelo2478 depends on model but I would say the cost of production on a new sub date it less than 2000 euro maybe less with the economies of scale
@@howardsackstein8556 i would say it is about 500-1000 max for a 10k watch. But i lean more towards 500. I like the watches my country produce but the price don't reflect the value of the watch. it is marketing, status...whatever. Why should be the same watch wirh a gold case be 20k more than the steel case??? i mean it is a joke to think machining gold is 20k more difficult...
This is a VS Factory 124060 (Q66 serial), price is 2500 yuan, roughly 350$
The watch at the end, wasn’t the same fake, examined under the microscope. It was more like a $15 flea market special.
Gotta get your eyes checked
You're probably right. That Super Clone still represented about $500-700 value. It was probably passed to a buddy who lacks the scratch for a real Rolex, they probably hammered a dinged up Casio Duro or old trashed Invicta Pro Diver. To me its sacrilege to kill any decently functioning watch. I couldn't do that to my humblest Casio lol.
Where was the rolex from/made?
VSF
How do you know? @@sadcheese4509
Just watched a random welding video and the pro said the colours were important to show the weld had correct penetration, heat etc. The clone weld is stronger! Lol
I don’t wear my Rolex to show off. I wear it cause it reminds me what hardwork can achieve
Or better quality machining. Of course, human hands do operate most of the machines. If you want more "handwork", consider Patek Philippe instead.
Soooooo, you're not saying the clone is bad. And reality is, look at all the money you're gonna save.🤘😎🤘
The real ones have the free sprung balance with timing weights that get adjusted by micro Stella. And the over coil hairspring.
And they're getting better at duplicating that blue color of the hairspring.
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Can you put the address of the clone seller on?I was saving for a Rolex but after this I think I’ll buy the clone.
5:20 just so no one gets confused Rolex didn’t start using these in submariners until recent times… like.. 2010? They started using them in other watches in 2005 tho.
🎉🎉 The point is that fake Rolex makers can make genuine Rolexes if they don't think about production costs 🎉🎉
Instead of breaking and melting the watch, I'd remove the logos and enjoy a well-made watch that's actually a proof that luxury watches are a scam.
You can say that all collectibles or luxury goods are a scam until you realize that you can't because human psychology and taste cannot really be justified.
From glass dealers to super clones the entire watch and jewelry industry has a huge huge problem:/
when you pay 20k+ for 20g of gold instead of steel....
@@hallovelo2478 it’d be more like 3-4k
the dead tell is the balance wheel. Gen uses free sprung. Pop the back and hack... see if it has the tiny weights. No need to even hack, you can see the hair spring on the rep has two arms.
That's so well known that the good reps. must have fixed that by now. They are said to be getting the hairspring color very close now.
My genuine 114060 runs 4+ seconds a day. My Clean Factory BLNR has a rate of +1 seconds a day, 0.0 beat error, and 284 amplitude 🤣 By that margin, my rep is more efficient than both mine and your gen lol. Luckily, my gen is still within its 5 years warranty by 1 month, so hopefully I can get it back to +/-2s per day
Can i get an opinion from anybody about an AP Royal Oak 41mm 140€ replica with a miyota movement inside it. Is it worfth the money
I would definitely pay $20k more for the same watch which is 5 seconds more accurate and has better engravings.
Most true collectors would.
You all got it wrong. A real rolex submariner doesn't cost Rolex $10,000 to make it. It costs them around $2000. These superclones cost about $1000. Now you see why they're so close in quality. You don't buy a rolex because purely of its looks. It makes you feel like a boss and makes you work harder. Its also a nice feeling knowing it goes up in value as you wear it. A fake doesn't offer you this. You will feel like crap wearing it. When I wore fakes, I always had to hide my wrist cause I was scared someone would ask if it was real, or say "nice rolex"
They actually cost around $500 dollars. If you're buying direct from China, then I'd imagine it's even cheaper
I'm sure you're right but don't you think a man like that would have significant emotional issues or weak ego and lack of self esteem?
If you have to use a powerful microscope to see the difference between the two, then you are winning for a fraction of the cost.
When I am are given a brand name watch for an average price, I don't accept it immediately, I have to open it and check the mechanism. If I am not allow to open it, then I offer no more than 75.00 USD, the value of all the parts and movement put together on a fake watch.
You can tell a fake pretty easily tbh. 1:1 replicas as well once you become familiar with the real thing. You can fool the people around you but not yourself.
😂 love the end !!
The fake one was built better here and there, to be honest. The prints for example.
Imagine he hammered wrong rolex
fakes are getting better, support them and make them even better. Say no to overpriced dealers and compare between vsf and gen instead of 2nd tier fakes.
Or just buy another authentic watch within your means and end all pretentiousness? 🤷
@@TDswallowJAKESyh
@@Crmjewelersexactly
@@Crmjewelersbrokies tryna act rich, consumed by ego. Then complain about watch prices.
Where can I buy one lol
You can get better clones than the one in this clip barely indistinguishable defiantly not worth the extra money forba genuine
Rolex is not only about quality. It’s about wages, development, materials, design. Of course is to copy something often much cheaper. But even gifted I would never wear a „Hommage“ or a fake because of respect to the engineers.
What exactly did they engineer? Other than adding ball bearings to an ETA-Valjoux and then more ball bearings, what were their great advances in horology?
Are you an engineer? I am. What you call „just adding some ball bearings“ can be a complete redevelopment of a movement. Rolex managed it to bring their watches to the perfection. They are simple but perfect.
@@egza2062 Can be, perhaps, but it wasn't, was it, when they added them to the Valjoux movements. As an engineer, I'm surprised that you regard anything mechanical as "perfect". I don't. Even if one restricts the description to mechanical watches, they wouldn't be at the top of the list for many experts.
Sure aesthetically they do a great Job but I’m sure they aren’t using gold for the indices or platinum for the numbers on the bezel the price of a Rolex next to the name recognition is what’s under the hood and anyone who knows anything about watches will be able to tell in 2 seconds after taking the case back off if it’s real or not by looking at the balance of it’s not free sprung it’s fake if they ever figure out how to replicate that small detail that’s when it’s going to get really difficult to tell this is like taking a aftermarket Ferrari body and putting a Honda Civic engine In it it might look great in the outside but that’s about it
Hope he didn't break the genuine watch by mistake XD
So much diffrences, so hard to spot it at first glance. I love rolex watches, specially submariner, on another hand i wouldn't pay so much money just to get a real one, so i pass on get any watch until i can afford one i like someday. Nowadays, there so much good looking replicas, but also watches look almost similar to submariner or even better in some ways, from different brands. But still some in my guts i feel like i want this rolex, not tudor, not seiko, not a fake one but rolex. Its on my life to-do list.
Rehaut is most easy to recognize fakes here - on real one all letters are perfectly centered to the minutes, on fakes they arent.
That is incorrect, sir. All genuine Rolex's do not have a perfect rehaut alignment. Anyone that thinks they do, defo hasn't seen many Rolex's
Probably better than the over priced original.
Obviously, the original is better than the fake. The question is, is it 30K better? I think not!
What if it is more perfect next time , like literally atom to atom clone... does that count as genuine then ?
I'm glad These fakes exist since rolex decided to don't sell watches anymore. You need a microscope to verify it is fake. Nobody will notice.