Garak Warn Dukat About The Klingon Fleet

He wasn't really spying on them. He just stayed on the station because he was exiled from Cardassia for reasons I don't think was ever revealed.

@@DavidKnowles0 "some say you're an exile or a spy" "why cant i be both?!" or whatever the quote is, too long since ive watched ds9

@@DavidKnowles0 On the contrary, the reasons were revealed, repeatedly. And only slightly contradictory every time. Tax evasion was certainly involved to some extent though. But uh yeah, I don't think he was truly spying on them, old habits just die hard.

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@@DavidKnowles0 if you want to read about Garak's backstory check out the book "A Stitch in Time". It was written by Andrew Robinson so it's definitely faithful to the character and is probably the closest we'll ever get to an official background on him.

“But Captain, he’ll see everything! He’ll see The Big Board!” - General “Buck Turgidsson” Worf, “How I Learned To Stop Worrying and Love The Cardassians”

As if they didn't stage the whole thing anyway. Worf kinda almost blew it there. But then, Garak also didn't quite keep up the illusion either. They were both doing some heavy wink-wink.

I've always assumed that actually, he can't believe that they are stopping so low and that he has to play along with this charade like a bad pantomime

He just hates this roundabout cloak and dagger bs.

Idk about all that. I would be hesitant to spill stuff that may get more of my people killed too. He is SF but also a Klingon as well, even if his people reject him. He probably still feels for them.

And bring Archer for some faith of the heart

@@IronSpyder-ky2lk You bring Archer to let a planet die for the sake of it.

You bring Burnham to start the war for a stupid reason

@@Jacques_a_dit no thats picard

You find a star-system. Bring Archer if you want to befriend it, Kirk if you want to explore it, Picard if you want to negotiate with it, Burnham if you want to study it, Sisko if you want to fight it, Janeway if you want your crew to return alive and Freeman for when you go there a second time.

Professionals have standards.

Professionals who adhere to professional standards earn professional respect.

@@wrath2501 be polite. Be efficient. Have a plan to kill everyone you meet

@@lucianfrostbane Garak in a nutshell.

yep, that moment when Garrack realizes the whole point of him being called there was to slip him information without directly saying a word.

You can never shut that guy up.

Hilarious comments!!

You know Morn. Once he starts talking, theres no stopping him.

😂😂😂😂

Tell Morn to keep his big mouth shut! - Quark

This scene never made sense. Having garak overhear you pretending like you just happened not to realize your spilling the beans against the klingkns made no sense as the klingons would easily realize starfleet told the cardassians even if garak told dukat it would be obvious that federation told him

@@davidt8087 Not as Obvious as you think. And besides the Klingons tend to have a 1 track mind. And something like this likely would not be discovered, investigated or looked into till YEARS later if any at all. Because at that moment, at that time you had the threat of Changling spies and could be brushed off as such.

@@davidt8087 I don't think the Klingons would be able to prove that. I could see the buck stopping with Dukat on this one. As it stands Dukat would not want to bring Garak in on his "proactive measures to safeguard the new government" because it would mean sharing credit with him. And by sheltering the Cardassian leadership once they run for it, the Klingons attack the station anyway so it did little to avoid a brewing conflict.

@Olexi Petrov The sheer fact that Miles is allowed to voice the opinion - "What if the Klingons are right?" says so much about this show. It's not afraid to show a dissenting viewpoint and give it the light of day, even if it is a bad case scenario. As you point out the cultural melting pot is really on display and it's great to see - and Way of the Warrior is a great example of showing hard moral choices that we get from Trek, but also some great action set pieces too.

Romaru Darkeyes no. The klingons are irrational. If they just told the federation they will attack cardassian and then saw a cardassian fleet ready for them, denial or not, klingons would attack the federation because they would instantly realize federation warned the cardassians as it is such a federation thing to do to try and protect every species

It was urgent information though, it would only have value if it were used within less than an hour, and it was information about an impending attack against Garak's freaking *homeworld* so of course Garak is going to act on it! With such a small time window, he didn't have the luxury of verifying the information's authenticity.

@@gamester512 who's to say he didn't? after "overhearing" that conversation, he probably immediately went to get some information from various people to confirm what they were saying - a lot of the information wouldn't even necessarily be extremely secure, and garak has been on the station for quite some time, and likely has spent a great deal of time cultivating a spy network... just they didn't necessarily realize that the tiny piece of information they had was a part of something extremely important. who knows, he may have even had contact with agents of section 31 who were all too happy to leak the information to him once they had a chance, just to make sure the war didn't go too much in the klingon's favour.

@@sharkforce8147 Garak would have heard about what was going on Cardassia Prime with the overthrow of the military due to the obsidian order being heavily depleted, there was a huge fleet of klingon ships visiting ds9 that then departed. with what sisko dropped he put two and two together as to why the klingons had amassed there and why they would invade cardassian space.

well... Garak was part of the Defiant's crew a year later.

It's called reading between the lines.

Black ops personnel

In other words a Diplomat. That is the only reason any country has embassies in foreign countries. That is to gather intel and keep their home country up to date. Just how far they go determine whether they are spies or diplomats.

@HappyandAtheist Spying on your friends is a good way to turn your ally in to an enemy.

@HappyandAtheist You are just describing an insecure mentality. They assume bad intent on others because that's what they themselves would do. True allies don't spy on each other.

@HappyandAtheist It has a lovely warm kaleidoscopic glow to it, eh !

Indeed. The actor really knew how to bring the character into life. "Bring your tailor's kit." (Wait, _whaaat?_ Hm. Well, let's see what this is *really* about.)

Simple, Tailor, told you! (Spy)

Props to Andrew Robinson for that, especially considering that the actor was claustrophobic as well, and had a hard time working in the Cardassian makeup.

As far as my favorite star trek character, underdog Garak is in the running.

@@beard3451 never would have expected that from the Scorpio killer in Dirty Harry.

Worf does not like Garak. Never has.

@@jefff3886 It's not just Garak though. He would've given that glance to Quark or even blabbermouth Morn if it wasn't Garak. He's just thinking "This would never happen on the Enterprise - Picard would never allow it. "

It's left to him to tell where the Klingon fleet is heading. He knows that once he says this, there's no going back.

Worf is a soldier and honorable warrior. The act of "leaking" something he would naturally find underhanded and distasteful.

Yeah, he gives Sisko a look, like...... "Dude, are we really doing this? ...... Okay."

Andrew Robinson did a marvelous job as Garak...I really enjoyed that character on DS9...

Emphasis on the "hhhate"

They are both patriots in their own ways. Great character back ground and development.

What I told my English 101 professor before starting a meeting to help with my assignment. 😆

JimmySteller love their back and forth encounters!

I completely agree... One thing that people dont understand is you need to watch it all from episode 1. The storys build and build on eachother its just so magnificent man! I

Puck aNm indeed. It was a serial, not a completely new episode. It was such a great series.

Sometimes. Half the early episodes were a disaster.

Just finding their feet, like TNG. Hopefully we all can agree that this series was a joy to watch.

Insert comment from butthurt B5 fanboys here.

I love the fact that even though it's clear that because of evolutionary creation for the races, that none of them are simple stereotypes of their races in this show. Yes Klingon is a warrior race with a code, but within that code is many degrees, same with the Ferengi, Cardassians etc... with the exception of the "clone" race of the Vorta, even the Delta quadrant races showed some degree of individuality.

Grey is just bits of black and white from such a high level you think it's turned into one color.

​@@cardsfanboyThe Vorta had their individuality in its sameness. They're the only species that operates entirely as clones, and it gives them a certain appeal.... and a very specific threat that isn't easily overcome.

Still pales in comparison to Babylon 5 ...

Garak hated Dukat, but he loved Cardassia more. That was one of the biggest differences between them. Dukat could never see any situation beyond how it impacted him, particularly his self-image. Garak was always prepared to subvert his benefit to the greater good of his people.

In all fairness, he was trading verbal jabs with Dukat. The bar for 'being the adult' in that situation wasn't very high.

Garek was like mission understood captain I shall do as you ask and warn my people immediately

Damar's reaction to Worf killing Weyoun is gold.

The casting in this show is outstanding.

It was the way 90s Trek worked, anyone who stood out or struck a chord with the audience would get more and more screen time. O'Brien, Quark, Dumar, etc., all went from playing minor characters to being major players in the show(s). The guy who played Brunt/Weyoun/Shran, etc., was only offered a one time secondary character appearance at first.

Also he totally igored Ciscos claim that he has lost weight, since he didnt measure his taille again :p

Really, that was more supertext than subtext.

Oh, Garak knew full well they were talking to him. He even told them so by his reply.

@@davidhenderson3400 Exactly, the "fitting-as-info-leak" was how Garak introduced himself as an intelligence agent to Bashir and the Federation in his first appearance on the show, inviting Julian to get "fitted" at the same time he would be facilitating an under the table trade for the Duras sisters.

@@Daniel-rd6st right. He never got the inseam measurement!

totally outstanding indeed.

He’s great in Hellraiser as well, you can see touches of Garak’s later development in his duplicitous character arc in that film

He's a goddamn lethal weapon in the acting department and it pisses me off that he doesn't get more interesting work. People still remember him from DIRTY HARRY and to me that's one of his least impressive roles.

Touché. Well played my good man, well played.

STD made me very sick, please don't remind me about that

And ST Picard

I just wish we could have DS9 with Discovery graphics. That would be amazing.

@@TheUrbanGaze Yes, same with TNG and the original show/movies

@nickys34 I believe you are mistaken. At 2:11, look at Garak's face. He knew that this request of Sisko's was peculiar. Being an intelligence operative, he knew that all he had to do was play along to see what was going on, which he did. I would argue that what we see here is that Garak is well versed in the art of subtlety and is not merely a blind fool, as you posit

@nickys34 You are sorely mistaken, sir. That situation did not call for the delay required to crunch numbers, especially when there was so little time to do anything. Furthermore, Garak had plenty of information to work with. He was fully aware, as a station tenant, that there were lots of Klingons on the station and that now there are none. He heard Dax describe the general strength of the Klingon fleet. It is quite possible that Garak, being at one time a member of the Obsidian Order, had a very good idea of the exact strength of the Klingon fleet as a whole, so what Dax said would have already told him exactly what he needed to know. Finally, he got the most critical pieces of information: Where the Klingons are going and how soon they would arrive. The unusual request of Sisko, coupled with what he had heard from Dax, Sisko, and Worf, was sufficient information for him to not only understand exactly what is going on, but also to understand what course of action he needed to take and how quickly he needed to take that action.

Right!

@nickys34 I wouldn't call it "manipulated". As I see the scene, Garak understood the situation very quickly. He was being offered information to transmit to Cardassia, that couldn't reach Cardassia via official channels. He was used in a way that aligns with his priorities, his loyalty to Cardassia. He understood this and played along.

I’m not sure Dirty Harry would agree.

Yeah, it's just too bad Alaimo was being such a creep to his female castmates IRL, that Avery Brooks just lost it and punched him in the face, one time. Or so I am told... Very Sisko move.

@@crystalidentity lol a creep on screen and in real life... The Sisko ain't puttin' up with that!

@@crystalidentity god damn. i didnt know alaimo was like that in real life. christ, that makes me look at him in a different light now

@@keyblader2k6 but why? Apparently the matter got resolved, assuming everything said here is true. Also a lot ot time has passed since then and you don't know a thing about Alaimo. He might be a cool dude. This mentality - the unforgiving - it's so stupid.

@@alexfromsolitude the past 10+ years of personal and professional experience has shown me that kind of behavior is WAY too common place and that it needs to be changed for the better, even if it took place many years ago. just because it happened in the past, it doesnt mean it was acceptable to do so back then and it DEFINITELY is unacceptable now. just look at donald trump and his "locker room" talk. these kinds of stories generally dont come out unless theres some sort of truth to it. in these kinds of creeper stories, generally the only thing to go on are people's words with very little physical evidence and id rather take the word of 100 potential liars if theres the possibility that even one of them turned out to be true unless actual evidence turns up to disprove them. lets assume that everything was true in that it did happen and the matter did get somehow resolved. that doesnt change the fact that he was already at least 50 years old when it occurred. again, i reference donald trump and his "locker room" talk. he wasnt some punk kid trying to get lucky. this opens up the possibility that hed been doing this towards other women for years prior to star trek. heck, theres still a possibility that he might still be doing this now, just not in a professional setting after that incident. sure, he could be a cool guy in real life and maybe even the same towards me personally if i ever met him at star trek vegas. however, i can tell you right now that MANY women, of all ages, would prefer NOT to be creeped on in ANY situation by ANYONE, professionally or personally.

find some way to stop the Klingons Cardassia is to weak to deal with the Klingons💀💀

Garak weaves throughout good & evil behavior so seamlessly. A perfect anti-hero. And he's tough to boot. He fought worf very valiantly. Worf"you fight well for a tailor" that's not to be taken lightly.

Because, at his heart, Garak is an actual Cardassian patriot. He cares about this planet and its people.

​@mkang8782 yeah and Dukat on the other hand just thinks he is.

STAMP: Alliteration-Approved!

The Black Order has a nice ring to it too.......

Obsidian Order was basically the Gestapo.

@@minggnim more like the Stasi

Cardassians have the Obsidian Order Romulans had the Tal Shiar Federation had Section 31 Who did the Klingons have?

Haha super quick to the take? "Oh but captain, I do have your measurements" on the heels of that entry? He was clueless af for just a moment, probably just didn't want to be rude to his federation friends and taken aback by officers he's only ever known to play things straight suddenly playing his game. But still.

​@@mistermonologue2442but played they did and he took it and ran to the fucking bank. A good thing too

Call for a measurement from an identified foreign intelligence agent masquerading as a tailor during an important meeting involving classified information?

@@javierpatag3609 Garak is just a simple tailor.

@@javierpatag3609 Garak is a simple Taylor he used to be a gardener before that but nothing more.

@@demarcusfaulkner7411 A gardener who accidentally specialized in poisonous orchids. Oh, those coincidences...

@@PmmGarak very interesting

@Brian Coley Rene, the actor who played Odo, died yesterday.

@@ilovebrandnewcarpets Wow! It's 2021 here in the future, and I had zero clue he died in 2019! Crazy!

@@Reggie2000 He was my favorite in the show other than Garak. Also, since I'm a fallout nerd, he was Mr House from Fallout New Vegas.

@@brianjones8899 i never knew that! That is so cool. I killed him a lot though🤔

@@brianjones8899 And Quark's actor was Andrew Ryan in bioshock, both characters heavily inspired by Howard Hughes. "IS a Ferengi not entitled to the sweat of his own lobes?"

they always seem to find a third.... even worse

“I don’t believe in the no-win scenario…”

They were facing a Kobiyashi-Maru situation, a no win scenario - the only way to beat this is to find another way, but there isn't a lot of other ways to find - so sometimes, you gotta bend the rules to get the favorable outcome.

It's an exercise of out-of-the-box thinking. If you only see two options, it usually means you haven't really put gumption into it but are stuck in the obvious.

It wasn't really a third option at all. They still disobeyed orders.

Yeah just because one employer folds up didn't mean a skilled worker stays unemployed. Lots of people would like to hire that tailor.

@@newperve I hear he's real good at hemming trousers.

@@crystalidentity I prefer the phrase, "tying up loose ends"

Dukat likes to hear himself talk and is a massive narcissist.

oh, if you haven’t watched all of DS9, it’s an utter treat how developed they are. Sure, O’Brien is regularly tortured, but they both have meaty plot lines and story arcs. O’Brien being such an average dude, you almost forget what an incredible actor Colm is, but man can he suffer!

Well duh this is ds9 The best Trek that ever was and ever will be.

I've recently watched all 3 seasons of Picard, and before that I watched my favorite DS9's again. I've been trying to find the right description of why I like these series better. I think "depth" captures it. Thanks. I think both shows benefit from being serialized rather episodic.

If you have not watched DS9 from start to finish, I truly envy you. I used to love TNG (and still do) and had ignored DS9 for a long time and now.... Well, I'll always love TNG anyway but DS9 just blows it out of the water. If you have not watched it yet, enjoy.

@@TerraSapien "O’Brien is regularly tortured" lol.

He's like Commander Ivanova that way, "Captain, the day something happens around here and I *don't* know about it, worry." LOL

@@WhiteScarsEmo Ivanova and Garak. There would be an interesting crossover.

I don't know what you mean, Garak is clearly just a plain, simple tailor.

When you hem as many trousers as Garak, you're bound to overhear some things.

I remember Dukat as being too smooth and ruthless to admit to surprise like that, even if he was in trouble. I think he had another purpose in saying that. Maybe a subtle admission that he respects Garak's information gathering ability - the closest he can allow himself to come to thanking Garak for the tip-off.

Indeed. Sadly though for Worf and Garak, convincing their respective piers Gowron and Dukat of this unity is not a simple task.

@@GreyDoofus88 BOY, tell me about that. T__T'

Indeed, the United Federation of Planets!

*united

He's a cunning son of a targ, finding a third option where the first two seemed so evident. I like seeing people find the third option, intent on seeing the coin land on its edge.

that's nothing compared to his later involvement in assassinating a Romulan senator (and his innocent guards) and blame it on someone else as a false flag attack to get another nation into war for his own benefit

Garak's character wasn't just well-written - Notice the sly smile on Garak's face when he realizes why Sisko called him in - as he is saying "Thank you captain, I have all that I need", his smile is saying "Not bad, Captain - you're getting as sneaky as me!"

@nickys34 what do you mean "fall for it"? They weren't trying to trick him, they were trying to give him useful information. And he did in fact pick up on it.

@nickys34 I meant it was useful to Cardassia, not that it was useful for Garak's personal ambitions. He did know that Dukat would not reward him for this information, but he still cares about his homeworld.

And somehow he wasn’t even a main character.

@@matthew8153he was to me.😁

True, true. But I heard Alaimo was being such a creep to his female castmates in real life, Avery Brooks punched him in the face one time! How so very Sisko.

@@crystalidentity I’m not even sure this was true. The video of that punch does seem like an accident, and it’s literally for a scene. The deal I think is that Alaimo was actually a bit smitten with Nana Visitor, but more importantly he kinda remained in character as Dukat often on set, and Dukat was basically preying on Kira so naturally it was kinda creepy. Not advocating for method acting that makes colleagues uncomfortable, but did he do anything untoward or is it just that he really embodied the role?

Garak was also good with helping other people with savings. For example, later on in the series he got a bargain for Commander Sisko: "And if your conscience is bothering you, you should soothe it with the knowledge that you may have just saved the entire Alpha Quadrant, and all it cost was the life of one Romulan senator, one criminal… and the self-respect of one Starfleet officer. I don't know about you, but I'd call that a bargain."

Nah, He knew what Sisko wanted him to do and once he got the information needed, he left

Garak knew what will happen, but wasn't aware how soon it will happen. Sisko simply told him to foward it to Cardassia NOW.

kireta21 then it's safe to say he "speculated" it was going to happen. But also he was in the same fix as the DS9 crew about being a snitch. But when he later talks to Dekat even he thought he was crazy coming to him with information like that.

Incidentally, Garak used this opportunity to note Sisko had been putting on a little weight. Too much Jambalaya and fattening soufflé. And maybe used that scanner to lift some DNA or biometric data off a Starfleet Station Commander ... it could always come in handy for something later.

@@kireta21 Yeah, like "Yo, buddy! The thing is happening NOW, better get a move on."

Wasn't the main bit that he said that he wasn't around for, "Klingons suspect the founders infiltrated you"? Which...isn't the hardest thing to assume is the reason right now?

I think the founders taking over or exerting influence on a faction is a given, especially since the Obsidian Order is no more.

Garak had details that weren't in the briefing he "overheard." I would imagine his contacts keep him abreast of many developments. But the Klingons undoubtedly had a maximum security clampdown on this invasion. The Federation only learned of it because as allies the Klingons informed them.

I never even noticed that. When you think you're using Garak in one of your plans, there's a good chance, that he's actually using you.

I don't think this is the case. I just rewatched this episode and Garak's conversation with Dukat happens AFTER Sisko leaks information to Garak. The group conversation happens at the episode around 44:50 while the Garak-Dukat conversation happens immediately afterwards at 45:44

Me too buddy. Me too.

Same.

Today everyone would just say that this isn't real Star Trek because of all the Starfleet Officers deliberately disobeying orders, and that it's just generic grimdark sci-fi.

Should we talk about Picard, or is it just a fever dream I had?

Same here. This is my life. New Trek doesn't feel the way this does. I get that things change, but damn...

It helps that they are very good actors, which still shines thru despite all the alien garb.

Maybe he really *did* have sources who told him that?

Garrack didn't become the Top Agent of the Obsidian Order by winning a lottery, he was really good at doing math (putting 2 and 2 together)

How do we know Garak did not already have a bug in the office and listened to its recording right after the crew decided to drop the hint?

Jonathan Ryan Tung I believe that Garak didn’t just take what they were saying and run to Dukat, he’s smarter than that. I think he took the hint, followed up with an informant (he likely has someone who works in ops in his pocket) and shared the info he got from both Sisko and his informant with Dukat. Knowing Garak there’s any number of ways he could have gotten that information.

he overheard it while hemming someone's trousers

ben cruz mine as well! Brilliant, mysterious, crude, loyal to only himself,well and maybe his own kind from time to time.. I see so much of myself in Garak.

Garak is one of my favorites too, in fact the only character I couldn't stand was jake sisko

I like that Garak trained Dr. Bashir to be a spy.

@@skynetprime82 Compared to Wesley he was wonderful.

@@hugehappygrin WTF - he did?? What did I miss?!

@J Jackson Voyager just had a less flexible setting. DS9 was basically the center of the galaxy at that time, tons of stories and intrigue to weave in. Voyager only had the same cast of characters to deal with week in, week out, with no real chance to add more, and no way to produce lasting conflict. They tried some things, like episodes based on the Delta Flyer, but there was still only so much they could do.

@@Frommerman One thing I'll always love Voyager for: the introduction of Species 8472. I was ASTOUNDED to find an alien race even more deadly and dangerous then the fucking Borg. If they ever made a series continuing after Star Trek Nemesis, I really wish we could see the Alpha Quadrant rallying up to defend themselves against Species 8472.

In Voyager, each episode (and a few double episodes) started and finished a story. There were a few long-term background stories that developed over the series, mainly their quest to return home. DS9 was more of a long, ongoing main story told over many episodes. Each has its pros and cons, and I like both. One thing I like about Voyager is that they had an excuse for always being alone. In TNG, the Enteprise rarely met with other ships or visited a starbase. When they were in trouble, I don't think I recall them ever being helped by another Federation ship. They usually didn't even _call for_ help.

@@MrDibara eh, that is just power creep. Seems cool, but ultimately disappointing. :/ The real issue is that voyager had a perfect premise for continuity, and yet it often defaulted closer to adventure of the week format. Underplaying the marquis angle, the few times they tried larger plots it was stuff like Seska and (pause to look up name) Michael Jonas. Who remembers him? Now contrast and compare to Michael Eddington. Both "traitors" in their show, but... Oh, and the show usually used "a way home" dumped in as the macguffin they were looking for. Even when it was way, way too early for it to be an actual possibility to the audience. They could have had so many other things, "the stuff we need for torpedoes that we can't replicate", "extra food, to supplement replicator", even just things like "some of our crew are missing and presumed dead, do we try to find out for sure, risk more, or just leave? What if they are alive and are we abandoning them?" If only they had actually had the original crew diminishing when they took losses, ran low on torpedoes or shuttles, had more people they met or saved join the crew, not just as main crew bridge members, but extras. More makeshift alterations or repairs to the ship...so that the ship that gets home at the end is drastically different to the one that left. And with so many more story hooks on the way. It'd have even helped for things like the year of hell, because the drastic damage to the ship would have been more credible as a lasting effect, and not something that you knew would be undone.

@@FFKonoko That's exactly why I really dislike Voyager.. Because they were traveling through such an unknown area, so far from home, and traveling such vast distances. The potential for meeting interesting scenarios, and interesting aliens was literally limitless, yet... every episode always boiled down to the same thing... Alien species seems friendly then tries to screw them over later in some convoluted way. This happens constantly, and is literally just the same story in a different wrapper. Repeated, over and over... Then you have the same "we gotta find a way home" trope for nearly every episode if it isn't an episode about Seska, or a "friendly but not really" alien species. At no point do they lose crew, or main key members. At no point does their ship get altered, or changed as they come across new alien tech that could help them defend themselves, or get home faster. At no point do they attempt to try to properly refuel, and recoup lost materials. (okay they do.. but its like a minor point as to why they're there, and doesn't amount to anything). It was literally a re hash of a re hash of the same 3-4 stories over and over for all the seasons..

Garak, selling earmuffs to a guy who barely has ears. Awesome lol

and a trio of Founders

Apparently a couple of Maquis traitors as well.

Surprisingly no Klingons down voted yet.

@@pwnmeisterage - Make that *_six_* Maquis traitors now, and counting.

Probably a few Vorta.

*hope

what i want them to explain in the Picard series,is if the plan is to follow Trek canon,how the fuck can Data still be alive when he was killed at the end of Star Trek Nemesis,especially if this new series is supposed to take place 20 years AFTER that?wouldnt it be B4 that is in the new series?

@@chrisbrown456 Probably would be technically B4. Also maybe Data stashed a memory backup somewhere.

@@Sirithil im actually watching Nemesis as we speak,and another thing the movie never explained that drives me crazy,is what the hell happened to Shinzon's Romulan collaborators,especially the woman who left that whatever in the hell it was in the Romulan senate that killed all those Romulans

@@chrisbrown456 I assume the rest of the Romulans dealt with them as traitors are dealt with.

I would’ve been disappointed if he hadn’t. They did everything but walk out of the room and leave a pad on the table for him to read. The Order may have been many things, but incompetent was never one of them

This is being pushed by Changeling Martok though.

Not really. The Cardassians wouldn't have fallen into the Dominion's arms if the Klingons hadn't pushed them to the edge.

Yeah but the Caradassians only joined the Dominion because the Klingon invasion left them on the brink of destruction.

Exactly... Therefore, you're in error. :)

I think it likely the founders had infiltrated but were using their agents in Cardassia and the Changling Martok in the Klingon Empire to sow fear and distrust...it's shown they tried to do the exact same thing to Earth and the Federation, heck their agent on Earth even flat out told Sisko "yes we have infiltrated you...and your people are already turning on each other with the small handful we sent.". They were playing the long game here in the sense that they were softening the Alpha Quadrant before the bulk of their forces came for the actual invasion, and their covert actions of sowing that fear and mistrust might have worked if Sisko in particular hadn't been so stubborn and gotten the Klingons back on their side, and been willing to get dirty to get the Romulans into the fight...their plans banked on normal diplomatic Starfleet leadership...not a man who was a diplomat AND a true military commander.

LOL - a Nobel Prize for Drama?? :D

@@crystalidentity I'd have zero problems with that lol.

Nobel prizes aren't worth much these days. Ever since they started to give them away for absolutely nothing or for pushing scams.

@@douglasrowland9986 So true about the Nobel Prize being worthless now. I'd settle for an EMMY award for best actor for Andrew Robinson.. That would do.... ;D

@@douglasrowland9986 you two got examples of the scam you mean? I looked through the controversial economics and medical prizes, nothing stood out. Unless you're just objecting to the economics prize existing at all. But that isn't recent, and if your definition of scam extends to understanding and criticizing "pioneering analysis of equilibria in the theory of non-cooperative games"...

being told to go to the ward room where multiple officers are discussing important matters is very unusual. Garak was already on alert prior to stepping in.

plain, simple garak

@@soupalex A simple tailor?? My ass!!

That smile he gave Sisko after he was done "measuring", I almost think that was a smile of gratitude.

But he shock to see the face of cardassian government.

In "In the pale moonlight" he reminds Sisko that he, Garak, can do things that Sisko can't.

The first 2 seasons of TNG are practically unwatchable. Any scene with Diana Muldur is torture.

@@michaelbayer5094 True she was an awful Chief MO but Gates McFadden was only a slight upgrade the best Dr of all time was DeForest Kelley followed by Robert Picardo

What - he wasn't even before?? C'mon. ;D

Something about his performance made him my favorite since the first episode.

@@crystalidentity Oh he was, but this took it to another level.

@@crystalidentity Right? Just shocking and disappointing

ricaard they got tablets wrong, think you need 1 for every book.

David Kelly Enterprise corrected that.

coolest thing about star trek hands down has to be that it inspires actual scientists and doctors to create/research the devices used in star trek like tablets, holograms, tricorders, etc.

@@Vendrix86 I predict hypersonics for the tricorders.

@@Vendrix86 in 1998, bill gates made his first tablet. steve jobs made his, and everyone went beserk. the ideas and technology to make them, was around before and during the time of star trek. this is because most of the ideas were patiented, they could never reach the market because of the regulation. in fact in the 1940s and 1950s, AT&T had flip phones, but they could never be marketed because the regulation made it impossible at the time. in the 1960s we had the internet, but it could never go to market because of, again, regulation. we also have holograms, but the military industrial complex is keeping them for certain projects.

It really does pay to have someone you _know_ is a spy in the fold at times.

Careful with that Kanar. It can be quite toxic at times.

@@pwnmeisterage Enough to kill a dozen Cardassians.

@@pwnmeisterage Meh it's safer than Romulan ale

@@GeneralG1810 Awwww, better Romulan Ale than a Pan-Galactic Gargle Blaster! Oops, wrong 'verse.

@@crystalidentity 42 ;)

Reminds me of The Penguin. Batman could shut him down, but lets him continue to operate because The Penguin is a valuable source of information. Plus, The Penguin tends to appear to operate just within the law, keeping his illegal activities out of public sight.

There is a huge reason Dukat hates Garak, though. Apaprently, Garak was instrumental in the arrest and execution of Dukat's father... ! (just saw from another comment) Although, thinking about it, that most likely means Dukat's dad was some kind of traitor to the Cardassian government. Hmmmm.

@@crystalidentity In all likelihood it was Garak's father Enabran Tain who told him to have Dukat's father executed. That probably means that the feud goes back even more generations.

Safiya Mukhamadova Andrew Robinson wrote the book “A Stitch in Time” to give him closure on the Garak character that gives quite a bit of backstory on this topic. It’s a good read.

Not really. Sisko wasn't even trying to hide anything from Garak, and in fact the entire conversation was staged to happen as soon as Garak approached the wardroom. With all the clues everyone was throwing, it's no surprise Garak would pick up quickly and realize what Sisko *really* wanted him for.

Quick? Worf said "The Klingons will enter their space in 1 hour." Not exactly subtle 😂

@@MrDibara You're both saying the same thing

@@MrDibara (Sighs) Do I HAVE To break it down for you? He had Garak come to the Ward room, Under the pretense of wanting a suit while talking about what was going on letting him overhear it. Garak realized by then that Sisko's hands were tied due to the Khitomer Alliance treaty that he could not go outright and say it and that he realized Sisko did not need a suit but wanted to warn him about the Klingon Task force invading Cardassia.

@@FrankWolenczak Fine, but what I meant is, there wasn't really anything for Garak to "catch on quickly" with all the hints and stuff they were all throwing for him. For a spy of his caliber, noticing this kind of hidden message is common occurance.