You switched sides--seemed like a good idea at the time.

Lol so true. He was such a dead beat father!

"He's much happier on earth with my parents" I dunno bout that one chief

@@infinightsky Not sure if he supported him financially or not.

@@chrisryan1445 i dont think that would be necessary in the federation

@@mrtawmmanson Perhaps not, that may ironically be a disadvantage of living in the Federation. If it was necessary to support Alexander financially, he would have had to live with him or least make sure whoever was looking after him was spending the money frugally

At least it keeps him regular.

Silly. I own a bar. Juice is the most profitable item we sell!

@@paulbryan2611 for a soldier, its actually not a good idea to be constantly taking a dump. thats why MRE were designed to do the opposite of prune juice.

Any proper Klingon would squeeze the juice with his bare hands, and then chew on the pits.

@@thehantavirus Okay, since you put it like that I have to ask if you've ever eaten an MRE on the regular. Because I have. And half of them had me blowing to the dirt god (brother of the porcelain god). Especially that spicy nonsense and the bean pouches.

Yeah DS9 was more gritty than TNG and gritty seems like a better fit for his personality.

It was a great choice. There were many great choices on DS9.

@@BoomerG21 Agreed. I loved him on TNG, but I didn't realize he wasn't being utilized to his full potential, until I watched him serve on DS9.

@Reee Monro ....and Klingons love war. ;-)

It was a beautiful opportunity for Worf to have some solid character development.

It's the obsequious attitude, like an agressive customer serving f*** U smile. If cardassians are as backstabbing are we are told it's the perfect cover your ass attitude. And in very good teathrical fashion, when they slip out of it is our cue as audience that are being more (although never totally) honest.

Like tilting their heads at an angle when making a speech? lol

​@@UNSFno that's the Indians...Fluffy

Aye. It’s also interesting when you see his conversation with Worf about refusing the resignation. Sisko openly states that he’s not sure what’s wise, that he doesn’t have some grand plan, but that he needs every good officer he can get right now, and Worf is one. I kinda feel like Picard, in that situation, would give a bit of a speech about it, trying to inspire Worf into being proud of the uniform, trying to talk him out of it instead of just saying “No, you’re too useful right now”. And this isn’t a slam against either captain. They just have different styles. Picard wants to inspire from on high, with poise, presence and authority. Sisko gets down in the dirt with his subordinates, not having as much pretense about grand plans or moral stands, but treating them like equals that he happens to be in charge of. Sisko turned Worf into a great leader. But he needed a great officer to do that, and that’s what Picard turned Worf into.

I like when he condemned his family and the millions of others under his house because he felt bad about giving up his replicated jumpsuit.

Worf: "What use do I have now?" 30 seconds later: "gives useful info on klingon culture"

"Sir, the crew of this ship has weird user settings that are annoying and ... distracting. It may take me some time to adjust."

"I'm just a guest star and this console seems like it could explode pretty good, is there a reason our low power computer interfaces have to sit right on top of high power plasma conduits"

I love the part where his name rotates around.

Hah in the defiant’s replicator

Jacob Halifax Would love that as a screensaver or ring tone!

Kira Nerys would like to have a "word" with Quark.

Kira: "if all this isn't gone by the time I get back from the Gamma Quadrant. I will come to Quark's, and believe me, I WILL have fun!"

He was also extremely keen for Kira to love him, which was creepy to begin with but got even worse when you learn that he had an affair with her mum.

I noticed some of that too. I tend to chalk it up to Cardassians being charismatically disingenuous and calculating. I came to my conclusions after a number of Bashir and Garek interactions. For example, Bashir told Garak the story of the boy who cried wolf. Garak, after criticizing humans for telling this story to their children at night, noted that the story teaches to never tell the same lie more than once.

@Cliven Longsight actually it was both

Yes. Only Riker and old Admiral Pressman had been on board one if I remember correctly.

Yeah well Scotty didn't remember that Kirk was dead before he beamed himself into stasis. Oh well. If it were Star Wars, I'd be much more concerned for continuity.

@@vodyanifox6704 but in The Pegasus the reason why Picard decloaked in front of the Romulan ship was to expose to everyone, both Federation and Romulan what Pressman had been doing, so I don't think it was secret.

Perhaps Worf's memory isn't that great.

Dukat did nothing wrong

Cynical and self interested? Sure. Sociopath? No, a sociopath would have never broken like he did when his daughter died, and all pretenses aside, he did care for Cardassia. He continued waging a war his government did not want, despite hurting his own career in the process. He was an opportunist for sure, but if there was one thing he loved besides himself and his daughter, it was his home.

A typical politician...only competent.

@@ananousous he did evil efficiently

Dukat was not a politician, he was a military dictator.

Also we have to define “had” a cloaking device. If we just mean there was one installed sure the Enterprise had one temporarily but if we mean one that had such a device built into the ship as an integral system, then he hadn’t been on such a ship.

The Enterprise was cloaked for all of a minute. Arguably doesn't count compared to an extended voyage on the Defiant.

If he was bound to an NDA, I doubt he would have said anything.

I also don't think that few minutes with the cloaking device on the Enterprise equals flying around in space for hours with the one on the Defiant. At least 95% of what he was experiencing on the Defiant with it's cloaking device was new to him.

@@robinstewart6510 also they really only used the phasing part of it rather than the cloak, if they had been visible the whole time it wouldn't have made a difference ultimately, aside from making it not a massive treaty breach.

Worf had someone else who occupied much of his off hours.

While they were friends, they had their arguments like during the episode where Quark's employees went on strike and where they, Dax and Sisko were trapped on a wrecked Dominion ship and they argued over what to do about a dying comrade.

@Mario Quade, I think in TNG, it was more of an unspoken bond between them, especially since Worf helped Keiko deliver Molly.

That's because she is really Lyta Alexander, a psyker modified by the Vorlons. Apparently she can transcend universes as well.

I was going to say the Vorlons loaned Lyta to Starfleet for the Weekend

@@mikejohnson3387 if that happened im not sure what the galaxy would look like when the Volons got here back, it wouldn't surprise if she did a Jason Ironheart and become pure energy and went to live with the wormhole aliens

Your

I always thought she was unusually spunky in that dialogue delivery. Should've known at the time she would be the "exploding console" sacrifice.

lol

He said calmly

That was awful. I hate myself for chuckling.

Bruh.

Boo, boo this man!

and promoted, no less.

It helps calling it a phasing device

I would call it a legal cloaking device. Pegasus was more of a special circumstance, and the phasing does help distinguish it too.

I would also think that other than the treaty of algeron being broken ,the phasing aspect of the device would be way more important Phasing is a new technology as opossed to cloaking which has been around for over 100 years now. Btw , why didn't they ever do anymore with that? A phasing device would be legal and I would think would be a helpful edge to have.

@@luvmenow33 Because even if different it would still cloak/hide the ship and that itself violates the treaty.

Is it possible Worf was experiencing a rare moment of the misdirection like "OH WOW A CLOAKING DEVICE, THIS DEFINITELY HASN'T HAPPENED TO ME BEFORE, HAHA A FEDERATION SHIP WITH A CLOAKING DEVICE HOW SILLY RIGHT GUYS" while his mind plays images of Section 31 officers cracking their knuckles and staring (this is a joke of course, everyone knows there's no such thing as Section 31)

You forgot about the Interphasic Cloak developed by Dr. Crusher's Ferengi scientist friend. The Enterprise-D deployed it when they were trying to escape the Borg in the episode "Descent".

@@OptimusWombat That wasn't a cloak. It was a shield that could withstand the heat of the sun and that's how they hid from the Borg because they couldn't be pursued into the sun without being destroyed.

He means a cloak like the romulians and the Klingons, the federation phase cloak was classified and technically doesn’t exist so he didn’t lie just omitted the truth cuz the phased cloak took them out of phase with there reality not cloaked them from sensors in the regular way

The Pegasus had the cloak, the Enterprise used it once and destroyed it. The Enterprise never had a cloak. Just like the original Enterprise took the cloak from another ship and used it *once.*

The Pegasus didn't have a cloak, it had a phasing unit. The entire project was designed to side step the no cloaking rule of the Treaty of Algeron by making a device that wasn't a cloak that could perform the same function as a cloak. Picard knew that Pressman was being a "Rules Lawyer" and trying to work a "Rules as Written" angle that wouldn't fly with the Romulans which would complain that it violated the "Rules as Intended". This being said, in the most technical sense, Worf was correct when he said he hadn't been on a Federation ship with a cloak.

I've always loved prunes and prune juice. I keep "dried plums" in the house at all times for snacking. They're delicious.

Nice to see Lyta Alexander escaped the B5 universe after the telepath issues.

@@ericmcconnaughey2782 Huh?

@@babylon5reimaginedseries What?

@@CoralCopperHead watch Babylon 5.

@@babylon5reimaginedseries the actress was on Deep Space Nine.

Gonna need John Sheridan there with a PPG to stop her. After all, she has been touched by the Vorlons.

You do not understand

@@vorlonempire6954 Understanding is a three edged sword.....😁💜

She has always been there...

Vorlons...bah! Now we Centari do not need to hide in those ridiculous suits. Centari know fashion.

I would pay my life savings to have the DS9 writing team for Discovery.

Me too!

Picard is good and very well written i hear

Strange New Worlds & Lower Decks

@@paulshaw2013 I am not. I find snw, prodigy , and LD to be enjoyable while I have issues with pic and dsc. If u don’t like any of them that’s alright! Watch what you like! I also watch the Orville and that’s a great show.

Agreed. Dukat privately believed the civilian government was a bad idea, and was burned for supporting a movement he didn't believe in. And Dukat's beliefs were proven right, when the civilian government all but capitulated to the Klingons, leaving the Cardassian Empire a withered husk. Dukat only fucked up when he allied with the Dominion in a desperate gamble. It should have been clear to any Cardassian, Dukat included, that an alliance with the Dominion meant slow annexation by the Dominion. Dukat was simply too high on his own pride, wanting to be the savior that would restore Cardassia.

@Thelondonbadger What good does being on the winning side do you, when your "allies" occupy your planet and become your security forces? When your proud people are reduced not to being a secondary power, but a servile race? I don't think for a second Dukat would be happy with that, nor would any self-respecting Cardassian. Dukat was simply too proud to see it, and the worst aspects of the alliance didn't appear until after Dukat disappeared.

@Thelondonbadger You can make the argument that it's better to live a slave then die free. But no Cardassian signed onto the alliance with that understanding. And no Cardassian would have accepted that line of reasoning either. The Cardassians aren't liberal utilitarians like the Federation. They believe in the glory of Cardassia as an empire, and are willing to fight for their empire. The well being of Cardassia is what's most important to them. Any humanitarian concerns about odds or numbers of people lost would be irrelevant to them, what matters is the continued existence and prosperity of Cardassia. For them, that's the only reason to sign that treaty. If they realized the Dominion had no intention of keeping that end of the bargain, no Cardassian, not Dukat or anyone, would have accepted that treaty.

I see some of you confusing the Dominion's relationship with Cardassia in the later stages of the War with what it was in the beginning. Dukat oversaw the inclusion of Cardassia into the Dominion. They had Dominion security because they were part of Dominion. They were not a servile puppet state, they were part of the fold. It was only after the loss of DS9 and their fleet in the wormhole that the relationship began to change. And as the war dragged on, the deficiency of the Cardassian military became more apparent and necessitated more direct Dominion control and the addition of other ally states like the Breen. And it's clear that the Founders were not impressed with Dukat's successors in terms of their abilities to achieve victories. The Cardassians were becoming more of a liability than a contributing member of the Dominion. Had the Prophets not interfered and that Dominion fleet been able to come through the wormhole, Cardassia would not have been put in a position where its weakness were so dramatically exposed and the Founders would not have seen the need to keep moving them further and further down the ladder of importance.

@@DrForrester87 also the plan of Dukat was to overthrow the founders and take command. he was planning long term. He states as much to Damar at one point. Later on Damar rebels because the founders let an entire force of Cardassain walking wounded troops get slaughtered by the klingons instead of sending a relief force to try to save the troops.

Bungee jumpers, skydivers, people who decided to not wear masks and go to a crowded gathering in 2020...

@@Vesperitis That took a surprising turn

Spock's father...

Office politics... more complicated than it seems!

*sheepishly raises hand*

We all saw Kirk ultimately get his Flag rank cheeks busted and his promotion wig split at the end of The Voyage Home over what he did for his crew.

@@chrismc410 I don't give a fuck about that codeless asshole

explain

Do you mean in ST6 during the final battle when Chang taunts Kirk, with “You prefer it this way, don’t you, as it was meant to be, no peace in our time” ?? If so, I think its a very different context ?

But wasn't Chang just quoting Shakespeare?

Oh the irony in the fact that the Klingons were the ones with a Changling in a high governmental position.

That is not what the Cardassians would do. The Cardassians would psychologically torture their prisoners for months or years to extract any useful piece of information. To a Klingon that would not be honourable.

The Pegasus cloak wasn't exactly a cloak. It wasn't a stealth system like other cloaks, it fully phased the ship out. It's not simply cloaked, it's just not really there. The Pegasus cloak was a vastly more powerful device. It was so potentially powerful that the writers pretty much have to ignore it because it would completely change the setting.

@@Elthenar It was a cloak. It was referred to as such several times in the episode. It was just a cloak that also allowed the ship to be in a phased state. If it wasn't a cloak, there would be no need to worry about the treaty with the Romulans.

@@youpeoplearecrazy374 You are missing the point I made. They called it a cloak because it doesn't effectively cloak the ship. WHat I said was that it didn't function like any existing cloak and it was a totally different technology from a normal cloak. So therefore it wasn't a cloak, it was something different and more powerful. Kind of like the difference between a calculator and your smartphone. You phone can work as a calculator, but it does so much more.

@@Elthenar No, I didn't miss the point you were trying to make. The difference isn't like a smartphone and calculator. It added ONE new feature, not dozens. It is basically the difference between a battery operated calculator and a solar calculator. It is a cloak that gives the added ability to phase. That's it.

@@youpeoplearecrazy374 Oh is that all? Ever see a cloaked Romulan or Klingon ship try to fly through a moon sized asteroid? Clearly it's the exact same technology. My entire argument is that the phase ability is a bigger deal than the cloak

Babylon 5 another great show you are correct Tim Russ was also playing as another character in the episode Starship Mine. Walter Koenig Mr Chekov himself also playing in an episode on Babylon Five called A Ship Of Tears as Alfred the Psi Ops Commander. With his wicked looking all slick Omega Fighter It was all black with a silver or metallic crest.

Andrew (Andreas) Katsulas that played Tomalak the Romulan Commander but he also played as the Ambassador G'Kar another Star Trek Babylon 5 reference

He did in tng too after the first couple seasons.

until it jumped the shark

They are most definitely enemies, just ones who occasionally share a viewpoint.

@@vsync Yeah, and the worst part was even though Dukat and The Sisko were meant to be enemies to the end, Dukat vs Kira was a much more fitting arrangement, especially since The Sisko's greatest adversary was always Winn

OH MY GOD I NEVER NOTICED THAT UNTIL NOW

I don't get it....

@@Aruniel google Babylon 5 and Lyta Alexander

He's gonna need John Sheridan on the bride with a PPG. After all, she has been touched by the Vorlons.

A Sword is only as dangerous as the one who wields it.

I never took that as an aspect of him being an alien and more as him speaking on a clear and frank manner because that's what Klingons do. Klingons wouldn't really be given to casual speech.

That's NOT what you said! You said "can't," you used a contraction!

@@darksim1930 Sir, I can explain if you just give me a--

No you CAN'T! Don't even try!

@@Serin9X Odd they speak casually all the time. See Kor.

that was not a typical cloaking device rather a phase device that would allow the ship to phase to allow it to go through solid matter. A cloaking device does not allow you to pass through matter like that.

mdhofstee They consistently referred to it as a cloaking device throughout the episode, and also made it clear that its nature as a cloak was the reason it was illegal, which in turn was the source of all the episode’s dramatic tension. Nor does Worf qualify that he’s never been on a Starfleet ship with “a typical cloaking device” here.

But he's not allowed to reference that. He was probably thinking "The last time I was on a Federation ship with a cloak..."

Michael Timothy If Worf and the other _Enterprise_ officers are under a gag order-and remember, Picard deliberately decloaked in front of a warbird in order to make a coverup impossible-he would have said nothing unless directly asked. Had Sisko said “Ever been on a Starfleet ship with a cloaking device before?” then Worf would have had to say “No.” But assuming Sisko doesn’t know about the _Pegasus_ affair, for Worf to volunteer this lie would only arouse suspicion: _Well of course you haven’t; this is the only one . . . isn’t it?_

I don't think he even meant that. He actually wanted to complain about serving with a Romulan, but knew that it would be an inappropriate remark.

It was interesting, but unfortunately that gritted-teeth dynamic was having the adverse affect of the executives wanting Dukat either become a good guy, or become the Major's new love interest. To which Nana Visitor, Marc Alaimo, Ira Steven Behr, and the writing room were all like, "HOW ABOUT NO?!"

@@christopherwall2121 From what I heard, Marc Alaimo was all in favor of it.

Always hated how everyone casually guilt trips Worf into submission: But you've sworn allegiance to the federation, Lieutenant Worf. You're somewhat useful at the moment. I need you here, Lieutenant Worf. Why don't your people just go f**k yourself, Lieutenant Worf?

@@techpreacher8081 lololol

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+Humble Opinion 43 Samurai At the time Dorn was basically thrown into DS9 at the last moment, and scripts are lacking at the moment. It will take up to halfway this season before the writers are able to -right- write specifically for the Worf character, instead of forcing Worf upon roles / dialogue intended for other characters. They will figure it out, I consider the DS9 story-line and way of production to be more suitable for Worf, although Dorn probably had way more fun during the TNG production.

Everyone has moments in life where they fall. Times where you're unsure of who you are and what you're doing. I felt that stayed with Worf throughout DS9. He finally found purpose in Jadzia, but then she died. I feel bad for his character. I wonder if he'll make a cameo in the new Picard series.

To be fair, he lost a great deal and was pretty much exiled from the Klingon Empire and suddenly, most Klingons thought he was scum once again. This time, it was due to a choice he made conceived because of his principles and personal code of honour.

@@Lupinthe3rd. you have my humble thanks and likewise appreciation.

DS9 was a interesting show. Dukat, Nog, Damar, Garak, are proably 3rd tier characters but even they got their own eps. at some point.

Lucky for the Klingons Patricia Tallman's only a stuntwoman on DS9

Garak : A simple tailor would disagree! ;)