James Corden responds to Bill Maher’s fat-shaming | The View
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“The View” co-hosts react to the “Late Late Show” host’s emotional response to “Real Time” host Bill Maher’s call for fat-shaming to “make a comeback.”
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Abby yet you have no problem shaming Bernie Sanders for being old.
@@chelseawiafe343 Who decides what oppression is worse? You? Both are essentially make fun of someone about their appearance.
It was down right antisemetic to say he looked like garbage
Nepthu trump himself makes fun of his hair, there’s a difference between making fun of, and being malicious.
Chelsea Wiafe you’re welcome even if you could change it shaming just makes people frustrated and self destructive.
Chelsea Wiafe that’s not true. Weight is scientifically a changeable characteristic.
As someone who was overweight almost all my life, don't have a lot of money and struggled with eating disorders for over 10 years, I must say: Bill is right. The world has become a very stupid place filled with oversensitive and stupid people.
"I know what it feels like. My father was obese." - Meghan McCain
KanalDerGutenSache 🤦♂️😂
I think she has a more personal relationship with obesity then that...
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Lolol
I find all obese jokes horrible. Don’t you think they have enough on their plate? 😭
Yeah, you'd think they'd have thicker skin and not be bothered.
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Lol
Maybe obese people bite off more than they can chew.
You guys are lame
I won’t fat shame but, at the same time I think the fat acceptance movement has gotten out of hand.
Alyssa saldana how so?
I think that's what specifically he was referring to when he made his pro shaming statement. The man/woman that had been 50 lbs heavier than they wanted to be for most of their adult life isn't in the same same category as the 300 lb gluttonous person who tries to sell the delusion that they're healthy
I can see how you might misunderstand body positivity with “fat acceptance” but you’re missing the point. No one is saying to accept obesity, all anyone has said is that being obese/overweight does not diminish your worth and beauty as a person. And that the beauty standards of models and celebrities are not realistic for every person.
Nick Ducote 👏👏👏
@@amalnasser4118 Well, the mayor of London banning "bikini" model advertising in case it offends fat people, is going too far.
Meagan your weight has nothing to do with you being on the view, it's your daddy last name
*I was wondering how Meghan was going to explain her weight issues after Sunny said that in impoverished areas it's difficult to find healthy food because it's not available so people there eat junk food. That certainly isn't Meghan's circumstances.*
yeah, like the other posters said, it is JUST an excuse. MY family NEVER goes near the PRODUCE SECTION much, and we have lived in Middle Class Neighborhoods forever. You can find the GOOD FOR YOU STUFF, if you WANT TO, and you can even GROW SOME YOURSELF if it isn't there. JUST RATIONALIZING JUNK FOOD ADDICTIONS!
Right? Like ....she would definitely have a career if she was slender. Also - some really exceptional points made here. My family is definitely around the poverty line but will eat out on some fried food on the daily, meanwhile bushels of kale are $1 and carrots are 1lb for 59 cents. I've spent a lot of time and effort trying to get away from their eating habits. Now, they're on medication for "diabetes" when all they have to do is eat less crap.
Cowboys Jobu but still Laura Ingraham had it coming I’ll give Me-again that much
@@littlecasino60 well, she doesn't need to explain her weight any more than you do!
Meghan its your fathers name that got you on the view. not your weight.
Man I hate fat shaming people and I don’t like Meghan but no reason so far shame her
I definitely agree with the negative aspects of shame, and that shaming doesn’t help people. What is completely ignored here as usual, is the fact that there’s an obesity epidemic and that we must do something about it. Stop the virtue signalling BS and address the issue with the supposed compassion you’re claiming to have.
If not for shame I would have never gotten sober. People suffering with morbid obesity are addicted and they are killing themselves. If not for shame I would have a tombstone not 25 years of sobriety. If friends and loved ones had told me that it's just a cute aspect of my personality or it's one of the things that makes me special. They would have ended me. Shame can be a life-saving tool for loved ones watching someone committing slow motion suicide. My results are not unique and I thank everyone who shamed me when I was killing myself.
There is a show called “my 600 pound life” for a reason…
Did Abby compare her life experience to overweight people just because she was pregnant? LMFAO
Yes. Yes she did 😂😂😂 lord
M Mlas I largely find Abby annoying, but her point was valid. She’s expressing how she’s always experienced life as a thin woman which has consequently created a bubble where she’s never had to think about the day to day struggles of being overweight. Pregnancy taught her the minutia of issues related to having additional weight that she would’ve never experienced without pregnancy and how it’s built a newfound empathy for the experiences of plus sized women. She’s also clear to say that the experience in temporary and she only got a glimpse of what it’s like.. Now only if she had that level of introspection & humility for poor/working class people and people of color
mbealhighjump I’m sorry but 9 months of being pregnant is not remotely similar to a lifetime of being bullied & chastised for being tubby. Just ask any woman who’s been overweight & been pregnant.
M Mlas ugh 😑
@@mmlas8683 she was empathizeing with the physical struggles of obesity though, not the mental struggles. I agree it was a wierd connection but we already know Abby is a bit of a scatter brain. It always takes a while to figure out what she's on about.
I swear when Abby speaks it's like watching and listening to white noise
Or maybe you yourself are a white hating racist pig?
Kay C yup she sounds like white noise 🤣🤣
Movie Lover 89 You know there’s a real such thing as ‘white noise’ right ???
LOL, You're right!
Cold hearted lol
They cherry picked what they wanted from Bill Maher's monologue just so they could tear him apart. Bill Maher was right in what he said. And he DID acknowlege that it's harder for poor people to eat healthy, but as he said, it's not impossible--and we can't just throw up our hands at it and leave it at that.
Way to completely miss a point.
Yeah Tell me about it smh
Slow asf
Intentionally. That's how you control the narrative
I'm glad Abby highlighted she's a 'thin woman' for all the viewers unaware of this at home.
But she has a fat woman inside trying to get out,
B Oh Abby....you're the gift that keeps on giving.
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Abby is extremely annoying
@@Honeybees1005 This whole show is extremely annoying.
He only said what he said because there is a push for a "fat acceptence" while a lot of people dying from obesity. Being offended doesn't mean you're right.
Mrs Junice Ziyad Well now you know!
@@jayzee1682 Are you fucking kidding me right now? LMAO
No I'm serious, I thought people die from high blood pressure, Diabetes, heart failure etc. I didn't know you can die from being fat ....
Mrs Junice Ziyad 600,000 Americans die from obesity related illnesses annually.
@@jayzee1682 well darling.. it doesn't add to your longevity either facts.
Im siding with bill on this one they should of played the whole clip cause the segment was on health care not fat shaming.
Like they would EVER. pick and choose, control the narrative
@@nigelnyoni8265 yeah. Victimizing fat people, women and black people. Thats how they are controlling this country.
Yawn. Way to try to make it about race. That narrative is so old
I agree, they just take his little clip, not the whole monologue. There are now more people on this earth that are over fed than underfed for the first time in human history. These bozos on the view would never take a fact like that into consideration.
agreed
You forgot to mention the most epic part of James Corden's speech: "A sense of superiority that burns thirty-five thousand calories a day."
There's no point in shaming drug addicts either, still most of them have the common sense to admit they have an addiction-problem, unlike food addiccts and alcoholics, need a crash course? Check pinterest, insane.
People are fat because of low income? WTF! How much are they charging for broccoli nowadays?
@@baconmannn yes, people with low income have more problems in general because their main priority is earning money
@@silkegehtyoutubegarnichtsa892 the problem with obese people is that they can't just stop eating, like in case of drugs or alcohol
@@juliadabrowska8674 no ones saying its meant to be easy. Addiction and food addiction are mental health issues. But that doesn’t absolve you of your own responsibility in your weight. The vast majority of obese people could improve their health if they really put their mind to it and blaming it on food deserts may be partially true but it isn’t helpful for people who are actually suffering.
I get the feeling none of the panellists actually watched Bill Maher’s show. His point wasn’t to “fat shame” people, but that democrats in the primaries will only address Medicare and not unhealthy lifestyles and taking responsibility. And no point did he imply that you should purposely insult people but that society has can gone to the point where you cannot say anything when it comes down to weight. Obesity is a complex issue, where socio-economic factors more certainly do play a big role.....but so do everyone’s individual actions
They deliberately went for the cheap shot and pandered to their fat audience.
That’s what I thought too…I bought fruits and vegetables(berries, peppers, bananas,etc) all of it was less than $15….I don’t get why people think medical reasons are good enough reason too…so if you have a condition especially women(pcos, thyroid, turners syndrome) you name it that means you shouldn’t take care of your body even more??
Wow…your so f right
Yes the panelists didn't watch the whole show, because Bill DID address socio-economic reasons and food deserts in his segment. They kept saying it wasn't addressed because it wasn't in the little clip they played.
@ 3.56 doesn't megan disagree with healthcare for all tho?? bit hypocritical
@@arnoldstrongnumerouno those people need physiological help mabey health-care will help them cover the cost of helping them manage and lower their weight. Health means more than just a physical sometimes.
human should stop teaching KIDS & CHILDREN to accumulate EXCESS HARMFUL FAT in kids bodies.
@Megan Have you been to a grocery store? Most vegetables hardly cost a dollar. Just because it's easier to get McDonalds doesn't mean you don't have a choice. 90% of obese people simply lack discipline.
@Megan you're the one who thinks tomatoes and lettuce are luxury items.
When is #MeAgainMcCain not hypocritical?
Bill is right. People need to be responsible about their eating habits. It’s a shame James is not willing to understand that
Exactly James is not a child being bullied for being fat he has the tolls to lose weight
I'm on The View and you're not ... Is that supposed to be a burn????
If you don’t care about this show why you wasting your time here? She’s on TV making millions for having an audience of millions.
@@spanishkatherine3320 because I was watching to hear Bill. Is that good enough for you?
@@spanishkatherine3320 also she was trying to burn Laura Ingram. Who has her own opinion show on Fox news. The number 1 news station in America.
People are fat because of low income? WTF! How much are they charging for broccoli nowadays?
yeah isn’t the view just overnight fat women making excuses?
In a world where people make millions for eating on KZhead. 🙄
True lol
The key word is moderation
@@FireHorse36 tell that to the hundreds of people that make thousands of dollars doing mukbang videos.
Funny, just last night's episode of Family Guy featured Meg becoming a social media celebrity through binging from the fridge. What a coincidence.
That's a little different from the every day person. Anyone with an IOTA of intelligence knows that it's a business and what Mukbanger's do is bad, it's the people who can't afford high quality good food who suffer, processed food is cheap food
I fat myself but I agree you shouldn't fat shame but I can't praise being unhealthy either
There's a middle, The idiot called Bill Maher doesnt understand nuance
Thank you! It's not good to praise it.
Then what do you do? Where's the line between praising obesity and not fat shaming? I think he should've been more specific and not use the word "fat" and came up with a more medical based rebuttal.
@@Made8202010 it's such a thick line. Why are we even talking about this. They give fat people the cover of the magazine once in two years and people act like it's fat-praising. It's not. As a guy who struggles with weight, I have to look at all the pictures used in advertising for make products and they all look unreal and almost unattainable, even socks these days have pictures over extra fit men in them. Who is praising obesity?? Who? The line is where polite society already is. Acknowledge that it's a problem but don't shame people for it, and yes people can be beautiful with fat, but can they be healthy, no!!
@@seunalabi7686 I guess everyone see's something different. But the roles have reversed in the 80's it was all about anorexic runway look. Now it's all about plastic surgery XL asses or being like a Lizzo or famous overweight people. To me as long as you weight is not affecting your health it's fine. But I get both sides of the argument and where Bill was coming from is that yes there is alot of body positivity but some people are so extreme with it that being obese is okay even though there health is in danger.
Like bill said "can fat be beautiful yes it's in the eyes of the beholder. "can it be healthy no its science" He said Don't normalize obesity it's not healthy play ths full video
Xavier park sung Exaaaaaactly!!!
eisfresh obesity is a first world problem..the over consuming of resources is helping contribute to climate change that disproportionately affects the third world, river pollution, and often the devastation of communities through people who suffer from ptsd due to factory farming. I don’t think we should fat shame people but as a population in the western world, America in particular, we need to acknowledge that not only is being ok with being fat hurting individuals but more importantly it’s fucking up people’s live all over the world because people are being self-indulgent and have no willpower.
@@cmderp I don't even know why I'm bothering to respond to this, but here it goes... Firstly, there are many obese women who have kids and are in stable and loving relationships. Secondly, and I can't believe I have to say this, none of the things you just listed exists or is accepted because of population control. Just take a look at how many orphans there are. Maybe it would be good for some more people to adopt. And lastly, why is accepting people and giving women equality propaganda? This is just the most stereotypical homophobic patriarchic comment possible. I'm honestly surprised it didn't end with "yews will not replace us!"
@@cmderp Who's propaganda? I am gay. Shouldn't I be a part of that propaganda machine of yours?
@@cmderp Okay, I read it. But I'm not sure you understand it. In there he talks about the US having a strategic interest in fighting inequality and poverty in those least developed nations by making contraception and planed Parenthood accessable to the population which increases education of women and enables the country to not rely only on its agricultural industry to sustain itself. There's a lot to criticize about it but those have nothing to do with what you said and besides the dossier was written 50 years ago and adopted by Gerald ford...
I see nothing wrong with what Bill said.
i agree.. jre brought me here... kevin gates says in a song "if u doin somthin u ashamed of, u probly got no buisness doing it"
smart people usually dont, good on ya hugh
you should at least take a bad diet and a potential obesity seriously. from the JRE podcast with Bill Maher: You don't defend a smoking habit or a drug addiction by not taking it seriously. James had a real potential to actually make a difference here. 40 000 people die every day from obesity, and all of society are paying for it.
You’re part of the problem then
@@Dpumarino the problem is that 40 000 people die from obesity every day in america. I'm not saying shaming is the way to go, but that wasn't even Bill's original message. It's been edited to look that way. James had an opportunity to actually make a difference, but he wanted to win one battle instead of millions.
Agreed with James. Fat shaming isn’t the same as wearing a seatbelt or littering. Weight issues can be linked to severe emotional problems, and shaming those problems can continue downward spirals, which leads to increased weight.
Lefitsts pushing "health at every size" propaganda doesn't help either.
he's fat get over it
Yes, obesity can be linked to emotional problems, but if you're honest, you know that is a very tiny portion of the fat popultation. It is almost exclusively about people making bad decisions and being lazy.
Marioni Bruno i haven’t heard „leftists“ argue that. Body positivity and such movements are fringe academic and social media movements.
But also body chemistry can change and many doctors are not helpful to find the sources of problems, and worse, don't have a better answer than the chicken rice veggies 4-6 meal cut diet. If you're diabetic, or even borderline, each time you eat, no matter what it is, causes you to spike.
Oh Meghan..we all know you're on the show thanks to your father.
Lmfao yup!!!!!
Blackvoid2me Wait, who’s her father?
Captain Butter John McCain
Lowkeysavage َI was being sarcastic but I had a feeling that I should’ve clarified it 😁
every video I see this comment, for christ's sake we know already! this comment alone is making me go from not liking her to wanting to because seeing this over and over and over again is more annoying than she is
The View.. more like The Hypocrites
Gotta say I'm totally with Bill on this. Corden totally misses the point of Bill's argument😂
I think Bills point was misunderstood here. The US has a long history of overweight issues and it needs to be pointed out just as Smoking was or any other addiction, there are a lot of people who choose to be obese....
When I was kid at like age 10 or something, I brought a plate of chips in a restaurant to my table, and I saw this mother and father looking at it in sadness...I don’t know why I noticed, I just remember being self aware all of a sudden, and then asked my mother ‘do I have too many chips on my plate?’ She said something like ‘oh you do, silly, dont just have chips, try other things’ and ever since that day I decided to lose weight and by the time I was 18 I was the healthiest I’ve ever been. It’s painful to be shamed but it envoked me to do something about it because for a brief moment I realised I hate being fat.
His point is misunderstood because fat shaming is not the answer here. Is argument is weak. We blamed advertisement company's once we learned the effects of smoking. If people are so concerned for others health. Go after the source...healthy eating and having accessible healthy choices is all based on classism. Mass farmers and processed food.
@@TheArsenalgunner28 I had a similar experience only it was with my sister. She said to me "you'll never be as thin as me" my response was "watch me" & I went on to drop 56kg.
@@neonrays28 False. First of all, obese people spend an incredible amount of money on food (the bad ones unfortunately). Secondly, rice and beans or lentils very healthy, and very cheap. Thirdly, there are many free YT videos that will explain what healthy foods are. There is no classism in obesity, just a lack of education (or accepting the knowledge)
Nobody chooses to be obese. The diet industry is a billion dollar industry! Obesity became a problem when dieting became the solution. A meta analysis of the diets show a 97% fail rate. With the side effect of weight gain. Would you take a cure that causes u to fail and get worse? I think not...but that's what is offered. It was concluded that it is better to never diet in the first place. It is better for your health overall and psyche. Google Intuitive eating research for more into. If I may, CIG smoking is a choice in the beginning.. U don't need it to live like food. U can go without it. U can't go without food... Good luck to us all! We all have something- why make it any harder for each other..
America in general has an over eating problem, that's all Bill was saying, when you go to other countries you can see the difference in serving sizes
A Yank ex-colleague once told me "Yea, we also have those back home but much bigger..." She was also much bigger.
Agreed.
He was also saying it's okay to speak condescendingly to people because they're overweight.
Pretty sure your small serve at McDonald's is Australia's large serve
Or seating on public transportation, or portion sizes at restaurants. In the US, bigger is "better"
He was talking about the normalization of obesity. Context matters. Play the whole clip.
Mauricio Marchena thanks bro!!!
I agree...He was talking in particular about the Fat Acceptance Movement and their wanting to normalize and glorify obesity/morbid obesity....and claiming health at any size is possible and doctors and science are wrong when discussing the health risks associated with obesity...but he did say that fat shaming is ok and should be something we should be doing in regards to obese individuals...I don't think that part is helpful at all and will only cause even more destructive behavior in individuals with weight issues....
Poverty link to obesity?.Food desert?America is a centre of the world obviously.
Lori Vassallo he is a comedian..that part was obviously a joke and extreme sarcasm...no one is really avocating literally bullying fatties
@@joytekb yes..it absolutely is..check your statistics..poor ppl can't afford fresh fruits n veggies so it's often fried, frozen n fatty..the same things that often cause heart disease, gall bladder issues n fatty liver disease..not to mention obesity..
Only in America is obesity linked with poverty lol
Basically every modern country. Here in Canada, we have a problem with fat, Native hookers. I can't go a McDonalds without seeing one.
bball- I think the fast food industry is the problem for obesity in America.. I don’t remember the last time I’ve entered a McDonnels, Burger King, KFC.. etc.. But when I was working and only had a few minutes to eat fast food was my go to and I gained a lot of weight... Later I lost that weight and all I did was stop eating fast food , I didn’t even exercise
@Veganism Kills this has nothing to do with socialism and communism you dumbfuck
Fat shaming doesn't work because most Americans have no shame.
Aint that tge truth
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Can whoopi please stop being rude to sunny???
Jealousy, yet she mammys it up with John McCain's daughter!!
How is she doing that?
People keep saying this.. I guess I’m overlooking it👀. Sunny so sweet
Norms I’m glad someone else noticed. What is Whoopi ‘s problem??? She’s been funky with Sunny for a while now.
I'm fat and laughed at Bill Maher's piece! I thought it was funny!
I know they didn’t listen to Bill’s entire commentary.
Raph Sherman, that's awesome that you can LAUGH and not get all butthurt over Bill's piece. I think his MAIN point is very much to make sure we are not sending out very bad messages, or glorifying, obesity.
You are a person who is truly happy in their body. So-called fat acceptance advocates go off the rails if you ever so slightly hint at mentioning fat people. Hardly happy in their bodies if they react so fierce
Raph Sherman and what do you say to someone who’s also fat and didn’t find it funny? I get you found it funny and all power to you, but you don’t know everyone else’s situation. How about you get to know someone first before ‘shaming’ them for being overweight. Why not help them in a way that’s actually beneficial to the person instead of just assuming that shaming them will automatically work?
TheFallofTheEleventh I found humor in a comedian and political commentators words! Why do people get so overly sensitive to issues! Say whatever you want I'm over it!
what goes in your mouth dictates health, what comes out of it dictates character-
What goes into your mouth also dictates your character
I can not take Abby seriously on the view, she always say what people want to hear. And Bill is very right, James shouldn’t be so easily trigged.. I guess he’s becoming more American 🤷🏻♀️
Fat people always say this but as soon as they lose weight they say “wow..I feel so much better etc etc etc”
BIG FACTS
Fun fact: In my early 20s, I was fat for many years. Then it was discovered that my heart and liver were failing from a congenital disease and I was actually a skinny person carrying 50-70 lbs of water weight. A heart transplant and several diuretics later and the water weight is finally gone.
We get it. Some people really do have medical conditions that make them overweight. The vast majorty do not.
I don't agree with how Maher delivered his message. However, I do agree with his core message.
Better to clean your own house before shitting on someone else's. Let's check out what's wrong with you. I bet a lot, even more if you think bullying is ethical.
There's something wrong with you if you think fat shaming is right
@@damiagunbiade watch bill's video before judging
@@tunnelcrawler3875 watch bills video
Look at the WHOLE CLIP. Taking snips of a clip and commenting...come on!
Yeah worse doing it to be provocative now!!
Exactly. They didn't even mention that the topic of his monologue was healthcare, not simply fat-shaming.
“Very pregnant” please explain. Was it like 84% or even more ?
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Agreed
Maybe the last days of her term.
seriously?, come on, man...silly question much? clearly it means coming towards the end of the pregnancy...
Towards the end of the pregnancy with twins, definitely isn't 84%
I can’t look at Meagan without imagining her saying “as the princess of Arizona..” because of SNL
I can't look at the racist POS sunny without vomiting.
James Cordon said that perfectly. I appreciate that he admits that he doesn’t want to be fat, too.
@J Leicht Nothing original here. As if you pay enough taxes to support your parents who raised such an idiot, never mind diabetes medication. How many people would you say that too that have lung cancer and are dying in hospitals?
Obesity is what Bill was talking about. There's a difference we have the highest amount of obese people than any other country in the world. The problem is people are fat in this country because are government is trying to kill us. It's socioeconomic yes but also they want us fat and sickly to benefit big pharma, the "healthcare" system the fast food industry etc it's disgusting. The people aren't to blame but the government isn't helping. This obesity problem only exists in America why is that??????
Don't know what everyone else thinks about this, but as a personal trainer it really gets under my skin to hear multi millionaires debating this issue and using it for ratings (on both sides of the debate). The vast majority of ppl are dealing with issues that quite honestly Bill and the panel on the view don't fully understand or appreciate. The answer to this question of fat shaming isn't one extreme or the other. YES, there are many underlying reasons for weight gain, (the community you live in, emotional issues, poverty, access to certain types of foods, PCOS, Thyroid issues...etc.). But also, NO, we should not just fully excuse all weight gain and treat it as an inevitable circumstance or be content with it. There are healthy solutions and personal responsibility will play a role. Many of the obese ppl I have trained and helped all felt a great sense of satisfaction once they developed the confidence to believe that indeed they did have some control over their weight and could manage it.
You'll get somebody telling you how they went healthy and didn't lose weight. But those stories always tend to be about ppl who didn't try for long enough & were expecting instant results, or ppl who are simply not being honest about their caloric intake. If you burn more than you consume, you will lose weight. That is just your body works (unless you are on some sort of medication that makes it hard, which is NOT THE MAJORITY of obese people). Yes, people have different metabolisms and lose/gain easier, but as you said, it is ALWAYS possible to lose the weight. For 99% of the population of obese ppl, you just need to be putting in the effort. And no, you shouldn't be bullied for being overweight, but we need to stop acting like it's perfectly fine when you're really just shortening your life and don't feel like addressing the problem. We have commercials that literally make smokers feel like the worst people on earth, but say anything about somebody needing to lose weight and you're the worst. And I am speaking in terms of being unhealthy & your doctors telling you that you have a problem. Of course there are ppl that are bigger but not unhealthy. The rebuttal always seems like we are trying to force everybody to look like models or something,
Well stated. Myself I lost weight but started picking up fat as I began to lift and build. I am focused on some weights and cardio. But yeah I think a little cheat I can work off like a donut or ice cream. Its finding food I feel gives me energy and I dont need too much of is the struggle.
Spoken like a true, unbiased expert. Thank you for the weigh-in.
Yes and if people would wake up and get a whiff of reality and realize there are so many symptoms to being obese or overweight and living a sedentary lifestyle.
@@Ray03595 The way smokers are treated is pretty messed up to. James Corden's response was really good. It acknowledged that being overweight is unhealthy and that a healthy weight and lifestyle is something that people should try very hard to attain and maintain. The point is that nobody outside of Sumo circles wants to be fat. Everybody who is fat is already ashamed of it and they're either already working on it or sinking into despair born of frustration. Either way, fat shaming is not going to change their behavior, it's just going to cause them additional emotional pain.
Sunny always has the most poised, elegant and intelligent responses.
Well, she IS a lawyer, whilst the others aren't.
The most important part of Bill's speech is: "Shame is the first step in reform. It's what goads people into saying 'Maybe I can do better' as opposed to 'I'm always perfect as I am. How dare you.'" I agree. If people tolerate negative things around them, those things will become the norm. But if the community lets you know that your behavior is not acceptable, you get pressured into changing what you do. I'm not American, some of the people I saw when I lived in the US were shockingly huge. Seeing them eating greasy food and drinking sugar water out of small buckets was offensive to me! Sure, overweight people don't want to hear criticism or get stared at in a restaurant. It is a sensitive matter. But to accept certain things just because we want to be politically correct is also not right.
@Jo Sephine No, the easiest is to be passive and not speaking up. And americans as a people aren't speaking up, both on a political and personal level. You clearly need reforms when it comes to food, because it's obvious you can't be trusted with your own choices.
I mean no offence Jo, but have you tried changing the diet, drinking only water instead of fizzy drinks etc? Trust me, if your diet is light, you will even loose weight without working out. Are you trying to compare yourself to an alcoholic who's dependent on ethanol to carry on? Yes, you are dependent on food, but it is your choice what you eat, and since then it is totally up to you how you maintain your weight. Try to go hungry, grab a fruit and stop telling everyone how rude they are for stating the obvious. NOONE ever would say you are fat to insult you, but rather to hint you that you must do something to change it if you want. If you don't stop caring for others people opinions and carry on. Isn't that about how you feel with yourself?
*Stop making fun of fat people!* *_They already have a lot on their plate._*
Sunny I love your hair !
She looks beautiful
Thank you.
it's a WEAVE WIG. I don't know about always, but now it is obviously sewed on.
@@najafa3520 I think we all know it's a weave but it does look beautiful
najafa it’s STILL beautiful. You tried it.
Shame is the least effective and most damaging emotion. His ideas are based off ignorance (like genuinely not being educated on the psychology and fallout that would come from his suggestion) and superiority
"In August, 53 Americans died from mass shootings. Terrible, right? You know how many died from obesity? 40,000." - Bill Maher You know what, if shaming people manages to skew this number? Then I'm all for shaming. Secondly, it's only damaging to the weak willed, and emotionally fragile. I was actually made fun of for the opposite, of being too skinny (which I was) when I was a kid. So, I took up more athletics, and put on some proper weight. For every story someone will tell me of shaming being "so bad", I'll give them 10 of it being "so good". So really, take your tender feelings, and throw them out the window. They aren't doing you any good.
@@datriaxsondor590 That wasn't a fact. 40,000 people died from obesity? How exactly do you die from obesity? A fat person falls on you? They might have had an early death, but usually nobody dies from obesity.
@@letsgetcancer7265 being fat have side effect... Like type 2 and many many more. I hope you're joking about your statement lol
If not for shame I would have never gotten sober. People suffering with morbid obesity are addicted and they are killing themselves. If not for shame I would have a tombstone not 25 years of sobriety. If friends and loved ones had told me that it's just a cute aspect of my personality or it's one of the things that makes me special. They would have ended me. Shame can be a life-saving tool for loved ones watching someone committing slow motion suicide. My results are not unique and I thank everyone who shamed me when I was killing myself.
"clean your own house before you start pooping in someone else's yard" CHOKING LOLLLLLL
Thanks KZhead for making me aware of this non-issue.
Nathan Currie I mean it is an issue. I have no idea why little snow flakes like you think you get to decide the worlds problems
@@Prince_Dracula its america. If life's perfect they'll make up a reason why it sucks. Who has time for starving children when we should be pooling our resources and starting gogivememoney's protecting james Corden's poor wittle feefees?
Dudemeister67665 Good point, but shaming the way someone looks still isn’t a good move. And I’m not sure what America has to do with it, because there are millions of people on this country who do go out and feed those starving children (kindness does exist here). And if the man likes to eat so be it , he’s rich, and if you where a rich comedian you would eat too( I would too, cause why not). So basically what I’m saying is America isn’t a terrible place, you can’t just point out an entire country as if they where the same. It’s like saying all Africans in Africa are thirsty and starved and all Russians like vodka, or all English people have fucked teeth😂. I’m not trying to call you out or anything, I just wanted to say this to make you think about how much worse things could be fire this planet. We could all be dead right now.
You think obesity and fat shaming are not issues? Where on earth do you live?
@@andreacigala2709 Probably not America
Bill Maher was taken out of context. We have a health problem in America and we need to acknowledge that.
I'll repeat what I said many times on Twitter about this issue: In response to 'fat shaming,' I feel the only 'other person' who can comment on a person's weight is their doctor. Alone. In their office. And with sensitivity.
@Jonny Tainment How about honesty and facts instead of sensitivity?
Honest and facts with sensitivity dumb arse or you can’t read between the lines? Are you one of those kids in school they had to take to special ed to slowly and loudly explain what 2 + 2 is?
What about countries that do have public health care?? Everyone's paying for them. Diabetes is practically guaranteed to follow obesity. What if you're a friend? Do you want to have them needing a walker at 60, simply because they'll be unable to carry their weight? Do you want them to be bedfast for two decades, until they can finally die?? Why does that cheap rush seem to have so much more life qualitiy for them, than what they're giving up?? And what about all that money, do some people actually gorge themselves into debt these days?? Maybe someone just has to give them a good shake now and then, and maybe that's Maher's approach really.
"With sensitivity" you fucking pussy. What happen to real men with thick enough skin that criticism isn't fucking sobbed over, but rather used as moments of reflection, AT LEAST briefly after the initial sting and anger fades? We live in a country where accountability is an endangered idea.
@Jo Sephine Did you just say that people in poor countries are obese by choice but in America obese people are obese because of capitalism? So America, the wealthiest country in the world can't control what they eat and yet in other countries where famine is a real issue, they should be held accountable for their food choices? Please understand that in Europe, most people aren't obese, poor and rich alike. The fact that people can't stop eating fast food is not a money issue. Even if you ate only fast food. McDonald's has healthy options. In fact, nearly all fast food joints have healthy options now. And look at Meghan McCain and James Corden, I would say they are doing well financially. So why do they eat the way they do? The fact is people will eat what they want to eat.
There aren’t “ just big “ people Whoopi !
Yes there are. It's not every overweight person of course, nor maybe a majority of them. But there are people who are overweight from medical conditions, from genetics, or from things other than simple laziness and unhealthy eating.
How am I suppose to walk next to someone when they take up the whole sidewalk???? 🤷🏻♂️🤷🏻♂️🤷🏻♂️
Will Meyers walk behind them, problem solved
@@maridestifanes5799 too big to walk behind.
They took a small snippet of what he said and made it seem like he was actually talking about fat shaming people. He ended a very serious conversation with a joke because he is a comedian. They need to be shamed for not considering the entire conversation that was had.
That's what the view does. I saw the entire segment of bill's show and Bill is right.
Y’all should listen to his rant. He talks about food desserts n folks that are struggling but our foods do make us unhealthy
Ikr? They completely glossed over his point and only focussed on a small part.
@Jashirr Garcia Really foods still exist in the US? I thought they had all been replaced by junk foods. My bad.
Nerd Analog naw there are still options, google it
@@jayandree4361 Happy to read that US Americans still have the choice to buy real foods. Too bad 40% of the adult population hasn't googled it yet
My friend suffer from PTSD and the meds his doctor gave him, made him gain weight. He is trying to work it off, but is very hard.
Medication, genetics, metabolism do not make you fat! Sounds like your friend is full of excuses. Fat people tend to make up excuses instead of taking responsibility for their obesity that they choose to put on their bodies!
After years of depression and severe obesity. I had weight loss surgery still the scale didn't go down like it should have, a year latter I FINALLY have answers. Hashimoto's Thyroiditis and Diverticulitis finally I'm on the right track and started a new diet I already feel so much better. I honestly cried when I found out not from sadness but so much happiness it's going to change my life.
Its Funny how Bill made great points (as he usually does) and NONE of these shows mentioned it Over a week ago when it was filmed. IN FACT they never reacted to it either. The only reason we are talking about this is because of our need to indulge in feuds and making some people good guys and others bad guys. The actual topic doesn't even matter. Otherwise we would have discussed it last week when Bill brought it up.
Whatever else Bill has been saying didn't make news, this did. It's their job to comment on news.
my weight has gone way up and way down, and i found bill mahers tough love encouraging.
Says the fake profile. Yeah, sure buddy.
That's not love. It's contempt.
It's not tough love, it's abuse.
@@msvideos234 how is my profile fake?
some of y'all missed the point of maher's segment. he is saying that our society in america has become overly self indulgent, he cited lots of examples including decadent fast food. obesity is a symptom of that
Body shaming is a gray area. Many former overweight people have said it works. However it can also develop an eating disorder in others. It did for me. I guess it depends on how self aware and resilient the person is.
At some point we have to respect facts not just feelings.
And at some point you should leave people alone to do their own healing and quit acting like you care. You care because you like to judge.
@@spanishkatherine3320 it's only when they are not healing you should speak up because it takes a toll on the medical system.
Clearly they didn’t watch the full segment Bill gave and only listened to the 10 second sound bite
I heard it, he makes the apology of fat-shaming and it’s just disgusting.
VIRGINIA DELGADO no not true. The start of the dialogue was about the Dems not addressing one of the major problems with our healthcare system in the debates. It’s about the crap foods we eat that contribute to obesity. AND while posting pics of these same candidates take huge bites into these same processed foods that contribute to bad eating habits. Then he goes into his diatribe about fat shaming. But the major takeaway people only see are the jokes about fat shaming and NOT the criticism about the root causes of it OR the irony of the Dems talking about what healthcare policies we should adopt INSTEAD of rooting out the cause of poor health from the beginning (poor diet/poor food choices). Are you sure you watched it in its entirety?
Rah Digga he didn’t get his message accross because of his stupid decision to encourage fat-shaming.
VIRGINIA DELGADO I disagree. There are people that understood. The problem is most people that don’t watch the entirety of things and base their opinions on 15 sec Instagram clips. That’s why Donald Trump and make his BS claims of fake news and people DO stop and question news sources. The cast here literally criticize Bill by rehashing the same causes of obesity that Bill himself criticizes the Dems for not addressing in the debates. I humbly disagree with the cast of the view on this. I think anyone that fails to grasp the larger issue being addressed by nit picking the smaller points of the message are doomed to be their own roadblock in life. James Corden struggles with obesity are a problem, no one argues that, but the same way we criticize addiction, recognize that it’s a problem and encourage people to go to rehab to beat it, we should do that to people while are obese. Instead we tell people it’s ok and others are wrong for fat shaming them. Fat shaming a women who has a voluptuous body type and claiming she’s not skinny enough to be a model and criticizing a man that is three hundred pounds and eats 4 Big Macs and a large Diet Coke are two completely different things. The man has no excuse and telling him it’s ok and no one should fat shame him is BS.
Rah Digga what is it to you if you shame someone? You must be pretty perfect to dare criticize anything else but your own reflexion...
Those people who say "I'm big." and leave it at that, he's talking to them.
Exactly. It didn't just happen one day. You picked up bad habits. I don't think shaming helps too much, but teaching people better eating/exercise habits is the right way to go. Acting like everything is fine about your body is just being in denial about reality.
@Carpe and all the rest If you don't want to hear people's opinions you should avoid human beings as a whole. Or learn to cope with the fact people will say things you don't like.
Meghan: "People in my life who ARE obese..." Made my day :)
When I watched James Corden, it made me sad. It was a beautiful heartfelt speech.
bill Maher is 100 right, no excuses
The bottom line is It comes from a place of caring, even if it can hurt. For me hurt is a big motivator to bettering myself. It might be harsh for some, but what if nothing else is working? Tough love hurts, but it is love regardless. If all else fails maybe it might work. We don’t want the people we care about leaving this earth earlier than they need to
@@chrisj2431 that might be people you care about...but online where it's only strangers and creepy hypocrites who don't give a damned whom they insult, it's more about insecurity and trying to blow someone's candle out to make yours shine brighter.
@@edward-eq5ys Bill Mahar also think Vaccine can lead to Autism.
I have to agree with Bill Maher. If you look at pictures of people at the beach in the 20s they were all skinny and healthy. Now it look like everyone is over 300lbs. Average weight was 175lbs now it’s 235lbs in America.
Jeremy D Ooops, forgot to show that clip.
I'm fat,and I gained weight because of my medication that I take for my depression,there are many reasons for someone to be fat,and fat shaming never help
@destini miss How about honesty? Has becoming fat improved your depression at all? If not, why are you still on a medication which is making you worse? If it does help, then wait until the treatment is over, and you'll lose all the weight you've gained.
@@nerdanalog1707 I know I'm fat. It's a fact. I don't need people who make fun about how I am. And I don't understand why is so funny to mock overweight people.
Thyroid problems can really affect your weight. I've struggled all of my life with obesity. Last year I was getting treated for a work related back injury and had to take a blood test. Found out my thyroid wasn't properly functioning and was provided with treatment. Even with my active lifestyle coming to a halt because of the pandemic lockdown, I dropped over fifty pounds! I'm still obese, and I need to keep managing my weight, but it was incredible to find out that something so small could affect my weight that much.
Everyone should go watch Bill Maher’s response on Joe Rogan’s podcast. He has great points. The panel in this video is saying the simple answer. It’s much more difficult to state the facts although they may be hard to hear.
Here it is: kzhead.info/sun/dq2SaNyFg6iQd4U/bejne.html&ab_channel=TheView
I have medicine that made me gain weight. I’ve exercised and dieted and the weight sticks. Some people just assume everyone overweight has the same cause.
Wrong. You are fat because you eat more calories than you burn. Stop making excuses, fatty
Jesus never said ‘shame people into change’ he said to love people. That’s the only thing I need to ever know.
Amen
Tyler Montana but if you don’t love yourself, you aren’t going to get up and exercise, or have a salad instead of a burger and fries. You never know someone else’s journey. Have some compassion.
@@essence174 He's right. I'm sorry if your depressed but you know whats worse than being depressed? Being depressed and fat. Real compassion is telling people what they need to hear not what they want to hear.
Bill Maher hates religion.
I.P Freely but you can tell someone they need to make a change without shaming them. How would you feel if your words kill someone, or add to their depression. You never know what someone is going through.
Meghan: I think we need to have compassion for people who struggle in life in general Also meghan: *votes Republican*
Whats the joke
@@SAMIE2011ify1 Republicans only care about life before it's born
@@henryphilippeaux3566 idk bout that
Thank you whoopi...I have had thyroid problems for years. My doctor has me on the proper meds but the weight continues.
He’s not talking about poor people or generic issues
He's speaking in general. So how will u know who is fat based on genetic or poor circumstances??. He spoke about shaming in general
@Veganism Kills what rhetoric did I write???. I was responding to the person before me comment. He spoke about poor circumstances and genetic issues. My response was that bill was speaking in general terms and how will u know which persons are obese based on what circumstance. WTH are u talking about????
@Veganism Kills what's a "normal" weight size???
Comedy can be crass, which is meant to provoke controversy. In conversation, Bill would’ve worded that differently. While I agree with James to some extent, obesity is glorified. So, Bill made some fair points too.
Where is obesity glorified?
Not fat shaming but constructive criticism..that's how I lost 38 pounds in two months I changed my diet.
I agree with Bill Maher. But then again I watched his entire show.
As African American woman, I’ve struggle with my weight. I’m here to say.. thick, proud and loving it. And yes.. I got to the gym daily!
What do you eat though? Not insulting you personally, but you can out eat ANY health club exercise, really, UNLESS you run SUPER MARATHONS or something. Just a general question. I find that folks OVERESTIMATE how many calories stuff burns. ONE MUFFIN can take 10 miles of jogging to burn off, or something, really! = O
najafa I actually eat in moderation better than before. I mostly cut out a lot of bread and other carbs. Mostly, I eat heavy during lunch time.
Megan why is it always and everything have to be about you? Ever heard about nepotism?
God bless you always
In her defense I rather her, someone actually plus size, comments on this particular issue rather than someone pencil thin line sunny or Abby.
Thank you Whoopi for bringing up thyroid issues being a real reason some of us are bigger. I suffer from hypothyroidism and Hashimoto's disease. The struggle is real.
Yeah, that must be where 99% of this stems from....
Me too! And you can lose weight
@@urbanstuff9950 right? the exception doesn't make the rule
I fat shamed my brother once and now he is a personal trainer in better shape then me
Bill is half right, and The View panelists are half right too. So what’s the middle ground? As Bill pointed out, shaming has its useful place, to shame people to wear seatbelts, to shame people to not be racist. But what he failed to distinguish is that those examples are of things people have *control* over but *chose* not to do. In instances of bad choices shame can work to get people to do the right thing. But not everything a person does is based on a choice, as pointed out by the panelists on The View. But the problem with the opinion of the panelists on The View is that not everything is beyond our control either. Yes, being fat is not a choice for everyone. I would say it is a choice for some people. But it is not a choice to be fat for many people, because individual genetics play a huge role in SOME people (not all, but some). An entire ethnic group is even predisposed to being big (Pacific Islanders evolved from Austronesians, and are essentially genetically modified versions of Austronesians who are predisposed to being really big). Being gay is not a choice. You can’t shame someone into being straight. At the most, a heteronormative society might be able to shame bisexual members of its society into acting only on their heterosexual urges (because for bisexuals who they are attracted to is a choice, so they can chose to act on one or the other), but that won’t work on homosexuals in a heteronormative society because that choice is absent for homosexuals (they’re only attracted to the same sex), so the expectation that homosexuals can be shamed into acting out heterosexually is misguided and harmful. So yes, shaming has its place, for those instances where things are being done as a bad choice. But shaming should be avoided as counterproductive in instances where there is no choice in what you or any other person might disagree with, such as being fat (in those it it predisposed by genetics or ethnicity or disease), or in certain instances sexuality, etc.
Couldn't have said it better myself. We do however shame people into being straight and it 'works'. As in, people try and be straight even though that's not what their body is telling them that they should be. The same way I feel about bigger people. Your body's genetics are telling you be this size, so why are you fighting it and being balemic so that you can be a smaller size? Because of the shame. And that's the consequence of shaming things out of your control. You control if you put on your seatbelt. You control if you smoke a cigarette (besides addiction taking that control away from some people). But that's not the same argument when it comes to how much your body absorbs and discards things that you eat. It's different for each person.
The modern food industry has profited from turning consumers into addicts by use of salt, fat and sugar
Their is a positive way to encourage people and then there are ways that don't work. Listening to his entire part it was kinda rough. An james is right its bullying
ExPFC Wintergreen v2.0, i agree with that sentiment, however, whether we were made addicts was originally done on purpose is debatable. Why? Because the human body evolved to crave sugars and fats precisely because they are the best and most efficient sources of energy. The problem, however, is that we humans relatively recently in our evolutionary history found a way to manufacture sugars and fats artificially in amounts that have never existed in nature. Our hunter gatherer ancestors needed as much sugar as they could get. So we therefore evolved to crave it. But sugars in their natural sources and in their natural states always come in small quantities and always accompanied by other things, preventing overconsumption. Fructose exists in fruits, but you would have to impossibly consume a whole bag of oranges to get the sugar found in one glass of orange juice. There’s just too much fibre in fruits that eating them itself prevents you from over consuming sugar in its natural state from natural sources. Yet how easily do some people drink a quart of orange juice? And that’s pure orange juice without added sugars. Now imagine artificial orange drinks with added sugars. Now imagine soda pop. You would have to drink an impossible amount of milk to get fat from lactose (the sugar found in milk). There’s just too much protein and whey. We evolved to crave fat. But how many animals would we need to hunt and devour to get enough fat on its natural state from cuts of meat we eat, or how many olives would we need to eat to get the equivalent of a teaspoon on oil. But how easily do we now consume the oils we press from olives. Or margarines. We’ve even discovered how to extract the fat from milk to make butter. We evolved to crave all the things we require to survive. That craving evolved because we needed a reason to seek it out in nature in enough quantities to meet our requirements. Now, however, we have learnt to manufacture it all (changing our surrounding circumstance) but our craving for it has not had the time to evolved to crave it less given the vast artificial availability of it all.
I agree with Bill Maher
Shame does not put someone into a mindset of “I need to change.” It puts people into a mindset of “I’m terrible.” You don’t put in a negative and expect a positive.
You guys should see the whole clip from Bill Maher. It was actually quite good.
He's right but people won't take it well because of the way that he said it, especially these days.
Shaming someone for any reason is bullying. It's meant to embarrass and humiliate. Its not right. Health imsurance will help with just about anything. Stop smoking, erectile dysfunction but not weight loss.
@@johnnycombs7459 America's food industry is the reason so many people are fat, I'll give them that, but if you can shame people for touching kids and being racist, which people don't openly do because of fear of being shamed then maybe you can do it to fat people and stop egging them on to stay fat.
I am plus size and I can't really disagree with Bill Maher, it is a battle but babying around the issue isn't going to make changes. It is an internal battle, but I think he was trying to shed light on the real issues that come from being overweight and the current health care system. It is good to love who you are, but you also need to be aware of what that may mean for you. Its okay to spread awareness, even in a matter of fact way. My feelings were definitely not hurt.
Megan, I don't do tweeter or any ot the other stuff but please oh please tell me about your outfits! I love the way you dress! Do you post it on the View website? Kind of how to find your "looks?."
Since when is defending obesity the correct position? Lmao I hate the direction this country is going in.
Defending obesity is encouraging it. A perfect example of the insanity going on these days. Just like parents encouraging gender re-assignment when their child is still a child.
I'm riding with bill maher on this one. Everyone is late because that episode was two weeks ago.
They aren't paying attention to what his entire conversation was about. And it shows 🤦🏾♀️🤦🏾♀️🤦🏾♀️
I agree with this.I been in the gym this summer.Motivate though.Some people's self esteem is fragile .Work with one another to build.
James Corden - “I’m fat” *crowd applauds* Think Bill’s got a point.
If you think people applauded Corden for saying he was fat, you're oversimplifying things just like Maher. Corden admitted it was a health issue and something he's still trying to change. There was not a single moment in his rant where people applauded fatness.
I think they missed Bill Maher’s point
They deliberately missed it.
@@mysticaltyger2009 exactly. They got it. But if you wanna control the narrative, you choose what to highlight and how to interpret it
I understand food deserts lived in an impoverished area but my grandma didn't feed me cheetos for breakfast. I see women on the bus at 6am feeding their children chips and juice. To.cook an egg takes.less.than 5 mins.go.to bed earlier to wake up earlier to.cook.a.balanced meal. McDonald's was a.treat not our.everyday uniform
Tonia Bowie Me too. They complain that the “organic” food is too expensive and I was trying to help one mother out with choosing affordable “organic”.. the truth is that it is time consuming more than expensive. I told her instead of watching reality tv cook something, pack some of it up for lunches etc. she had an excuse for everything. I told her keep complaining it’s too expensive and see that hospital bill and complain about time consuming and you won’t have much time left eating like that. I know it’s challenging but it’s worth a shot but hey you can only lead the horse to the water but you can’t 👀
Exactly
@@GoddessLuna9 literally the QUALITY of available food is also a huge issue. I've lived in a food desert where the only market sold produce that would consistently rot within 2 days of buying it and they were always selling old and wilted lettuce at half priced. One day I came across the chain in a wealthy part of the city, you would not believe how night and day that experience was.
@mago lago If you don't have the money to afford an egg, then you aren't obese. But if you can afford a soda or a Starbucks coffee, you can definitely buy an egg.
Bill is right. He's always right on these issues. You don't like it? Go to your safe space.
Bill is right. You're outlook on fat shaming is not his outlook on fat shaming: hes making the point that no matter what you say about somebody's weight, now a days it's considered "fat shaming". what hes trying to say is STOP trying to make it normal and ok to be overweight/obese and unhealthy.
Sorry but when I am at the supermarket and you see people buying pure garbage while driving their fat scooters because they can't walk, while my shopping cart has whole foods it's hard to have empathy for them! Gone are the days of personal responsibility.