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this is absolutely amazing, thx for sharing OMG amazing
Holy smokes that's a lot of data to process afterwards
you should follow this video with the old hand method of english wheels and pinch rollers .. because that is exactly what this is ... just updated to be done by robots instead of people
I love this channel, and this is some of the smartest, coolest, and most fascinating smart stuff going on right here! Wow!
Why not move the sheet instead of using Mr. Roboto? Like what a English Wheel sheet metal shaper does.
Really liked seeing the CEO and employees explaining their work with pride. This was very impressive
The "employee" is the enginerd that makes everything happen, the other two are moneymen.
@@dieselmunkey Did you not watch the video ? One of the cofounder has a PhD in materials engineering and the CEO clearly has a deep understanding of the whole process.
And big kudos to Machina Labs for sharing this. IP is such a big deal in these shops.
@@difinoxyd2856 yeah, PhD in material is nowhere near applied robotics. And that copy-paste talk of pottery but planar gives a hint the engineer had to explain it to his boss first and that was all he remembered.
@@feedbackzaloop PHD in material is very relevant to a business around slowly deforming materials to shape them
I love how the CEO's look like a machinist, not a banker. Respect.
Yes, the way the system works most execs purchase their positions while employees don't have the fortunes needed for the equipment they use
Shirt looks way too clean for a machinist 🤣
@@samsonsoturian6013 CApITALism hAS fAiLed
Sure, until you realize it's just more marketing
irrelevant. business needs marketing. they clearly know the ins and outs and aren't just disassociated money managers. @@custos3249
I like how initially the concept looked simple, but with simple explanations they got further and further into why it was so complicated.
But such beautiful complications!
It is actually quite simple per step. The complexity comes in the volume of operations at the same time. Thats what blows my mind.
Honestly, this technique is as old as dirt. It's just planishing. We have been doing it for millenia. The only thing that's new here is doing it with a robot instead of a skilled artisan. Don't get me wrong here. It's cool. It's just not new and it's not going to be the future of manufacturing.
@@ColonelSandersLiteexcept “artisans” couldn’t make parts with aerospace precision lmao. And there is no one “future of manufacturing” dummy. There are obvious applications where this has advantage.
@@ColonelSandersLite yes, exactly right.
As a professional software developer I am truly in awe with the code behind all of this. Absolutely impressive.
I was impressed by the fact that they reinforce the initial code with machine learning by scanning and assessing the actual outcome and comparing it to the desired digitally modelled outcome. They have allowed that the software can self-improve to account for all of the factors that would make it an impossibly long task to hard code them in by design at the start. This way, the software can be installed on robots with greater and lesser degrees of deflection and imperfections, and work on different qualities of material automatically by self-calibrating and automatically incorporating software correction factors that adjust for all of those sort of hidden variables.
I'm an unprofessional software developer
i hope it stays a great hobby or your software becomes lucrative! ;D@@mattclayton8474
Seeing the CEO so involved and in a work uniform, perfectly describing and knowing his stuff was nice to see. They seem like a great group of people.
Ya, that's not a CEO, it's a small business owner. They started the company, they aren't just administrators or managers.
This is how all great companies start…with a leader who knows what his company actually does.
@ireallyreallyhategoogle 2mins into video says Ed is the CEO, but you really hate Google yet use a Google owned app so I wonder who's correct
@@SuzukiKid400... and is excited about it.
It’s a smaller company… this is how it should be but it never is… usually the head of companies don’t understand anything except putting up a good image
As an automation engineer, nothing gets me more giddy than installing a new robot.
Same!!
What does a person normally study to design and implement these elaborate automated factory lines? they're everywhere these days and make most of our stuff, but I've never seen automation engineering as a major in school, seems like a cross between mechanical and electrical engineering?
Right big big box my old shop is being upgraded 24 new machines an its somethin watching it all come together
@@richmahogany1710 I am someone who works in automation. My career path was 2 yr vocational school for Industrial Electrical, and then a 4 year Electromechanical Maintenance Apprenticeship.
@@richmahogany1710 it depends, most of people I know who work on factory lines are Electrical Engineers. Mechanical Engineers should be able to do it as well with some studying. I think some universities have Industrial Engineering programs where you even study chemical processes as well, I think what you are looking for is that, Industrial Engineering. However, if you can't find it at your local university, you can never go wrong with Electrical Engineering (I am an EE and I might be biased, but the skills gained from my degree allow me to know what's usually going on).
The CEO letting their employee keep explaining shows how much knowledge and respect they have for everyone there. And the rest of the video; it's really cool to see someone that passionate about the work they do. Absolutely incredible to watch.
And you could see how excited the employee was to explain things
@TannerCh lol I'm so sure. He just simply explained. You act like he had a huge smile, looked to his boss and said "for real!? No foolin'? Thanks boss for letting me explain"
@@kitten-whisperer I'm relatively confident that is the point jonathan was trying to make.
The employee was concerned about divulging intellectual property.
it wasnt that it was he was concerned if he was allowed to share company secrets they work so hard on.
The infectious passion you each have for this is summarized for me in 4 words; when this got to 13:24 with "That's hard." and Ed responding (with a chuckle immediately following) "It's fun". That was the highlight of the video for me (though to be clear the whole video was incredible!) Thank you to everyone involved in the making of this video and being able to share it with the world.
One thing that really struck me is that Destin, in all these years, never lost that spark, that curiosity and joy about discovering new stuff. Keep it up man, you are a permanent part of my internet.
@repentandbelieveinJesusChrist9 jesus these romans were on something i tell ya
in fact, this is the kind of person that i want to explain me stuff, one that is enthusiastic about it
The moment at 26:58 and Destin's reaction is priceless. It made me smile so much because I know that feeling and he expresses it perfectly
real engineer have same spark and enjoyment about something amazing and new to understand until death
Agreed.
I appreciate how the boss man allowed his employee to handle explaining the technical stuff. Many of bosses out there would not do that they wouldn't trust their employee enough to do such a thing. That in itself is admirable and he seems like a great boss.
Lmao. Meanwhile he probably expected his employee to understand the work better, and do a better job.
I guess the employee had a PhD, too!
Most employee aren’t as smart AND ready for camera
That is a baseless assumption. If a person is smart enough to do a job they better know how to explain what they are doing even in layman's terms. @@semikolondev
the only reason he brought it up was because he thought he was getting into "classified" or proprietary information. They misunderstood I think and thought he was trying to pass off the explaining, but he was really just making sure he wasn't talking about something he shouldn't have been. Kinda like how they wouldn't say what was in their end effector coatings.
5:24 shows part of the reason i LOVE seeing Dustin do his thing. He wants to meet and greet EVERYONE he can and learn so much and take us along for the ride. It's great
How did I miss this channel?? As a person who has been to hundreds if not thousands of manufacturing plants, making all sorts of products with all kinds of equipment, this type of content is very ----searching for right word----------refreshing
As a lowly technician, it was really heartwarming to see one of the founders allow the automation engineer to take and keep the stage. Another marvelous production!
I liked how the CEO said "Yes!" at 26:30. Like he was proud of Destin arriving at the conclusion himself.
It's awesome when someone just clicks
That was my favorite too 😂 they were all so happy
Has the soul of an educator and someone who wants others to grow
Exactly what I was thinking, this is the ideal interaction between a knowledgable teacher and a passionate student@@SecretMarsupial
21:20 The CEO was also surprised he knew what part it was he was discussing 😅
I was involved at the very beginning of CNC metal removal with CNC LATHES and MACHINING centers back in the 70’s and 80’s. I watched with great enthusiasm as that technology took over MANY OPERATIONS in machine shops where parts that previously took hours to machine were reduced to only a few minutes. To see the advancements in this technology to where we are going today is just phenomenal!!! This is genius level stuff!!!!!
It’s difficult to explain this but your excitement allows me to enjoy something that I don’t always understand. I appreciate your passion and that’s what makes this channel work. Thanks for your hard work.
I loved how at around 8:30 the CEOs let their employee speak about the process to Destin instead of butting in and trying to take over for him. Those guys seem like they really appreciate their workers
Welcome to the New Age.
That, plus Destin's incredible enthusiasm (and courtesy towards his subjects) are what makes these episodes so stinkin' FUN to watch!
@@the4llfodrlet's not assume that they are protecting trade secrets. It appears as they are not. Yes, you are correct- he checked with the ceo to gain permission to discuss the subject matter. Not only did he approve, the approval was swift and without stipulation. There was a slight pause, I feel you have noticed also, but appeared to quell the initial resistance, whatever the reason. I absolutely LOVE this video and the members of humanity who are very good example of what is part of "the shift". We're within a paradigm shift, you know? It's so incredibly beautiful that I'm having a hard time typing. The depths of connections made as attempt to articulate the experiences I have when I make connections that are aligned with TRUTH. As there is but One. As connections are made, much data is processed. Imagine that the connections aligned with truth are, in fact, actually energy of some form or another. Energy in motion. Or, e-motion. Same thing. And, POWERFUL! With tears in my eyes, flutter in my heart, quiver in my hand, and a certainty equal that of God, themselves, anchoring me in the core of the planet as I deliver these words, standing proudly - without a smidgen of sway considered, no matter what attempts to make me falter - the world will bring the energy of humanity- 8,000,000,000,000 strong, all bringing abundant forces to express, apply, and hail towards me with fury, their "truths". And they will fall. Miserably. I cannot take credit for these words. They're given to me and I am equally you. What is mine is yours. This video is gloriously and abundantly representative of the current future becoming realized. Transparency, accountability, and integrity are at the forefront of the New Earth. If you know, you know. Grand Rising, Ricky
As an employee I agree, from the mindset of a CEO or more importantly an owner of a business, Ide imagine that its more risky. Its not about showing appreciation or holding back shine, its about protecting IP. If this were live, the CEO would probably be talking, or some representative of the brand itself.
@@the4llfodrThe concept itself is actually pretty simple, it's just very complicated to calculate in practice.
I love how happy these guys were to share. Especially mark. When he said "we can do whatever we can imagine" that was the most genuine smile I've ever seen
Ok, youtube expert 😂
@@gdgd5194 I always wondered why the TAXI drivers know more about the government and the world's solution to all problems. They need to get out and run the world instead. LMAO Ha ha ha ha !!! All of the Experts are watching KZhead.
That’s any inventor’s dream 😊
I worked at a place that did this on very large airplane parts, the sheets were spun and the roller formed it to a structure that turned with the part. The dual opposed robot is fascinating. Truly cutting edge.
This is really cool, i work in aerospace manufacturing mostly CNC stuff with inconel, rene, titanium, but use alot of those fanucs for many different operations. Its insanely neat the kind of things you can have them do, between multiple tools, changing tools/tool holders, keeping runouts of the tools in tenths or less, its really really cool seeing how much can be automated.
I also work in aerospace manufacturing but despite the level of engineering and advanced software that surrounds me, I've never done anything as cool as this...darn what a dream it'd be to be good enough to do something like this 😭!!
@@etherreal4393 it really is crazy just how advanced/far weve come with robotics honestly. Before coming into here I was programming super basic 3/4 axis, seeing these 6 axis dual spindle & dual chuck/table machines and all these robots doing perfect tool setting/deburring/etc was mind blowing at first. But this stuff on here is even another level
A lot of respect to them for how deep they get into it. You know the content is good when the engineer directly working on the program sweats and looks at his boss before talking and then the boss just waves him on.
Mark looked like he was ready to burst with excitement about the work he was doing!
It tells you something about how hard what they're doing is as well. Even with the amount of detail they're giving here they don't seem the least bit worried that someone is going to replicate their work to compete with them. Like he said, the secret sauce is in the software, in the minute details of the control systems, and that would take a lot of time to figure out even with this video giving you pointers
Huge thank you to machina. I always love the, "can i talk about this?" moment. A lot of companies are cagey with their IP. I'm happy they're willing to share and inspire young engineers like myself to innovation.
this process has been developed by some of the largest companies in the country. Lol I think if somebody wanted to push this technology, they would have this guy is just picking up where they left off because he saw the deficiencies and was able to compensate
sharpboy211: innovation comes from "original thought", whether your original thought is based on the successes or failures of other thinkers or comes totally from within your own creativity, based on your accumulated experiences. Always think outside of the box and always ask those around you for their thoughts on your problems, especially if their experiences have absolutely nothing to do with your problems. As a "young engineer" back in the 1980's, I had the original thought to develop a "stylus based" forming system to eliminate permanent tooling for the metal spinning industry; same basic concept, other than the limiting factor that computers and robotics were in their very infancy.
The companies that are protective are being cagey for a reason. Do you know how many technologies our US companies have developed, spent years perfecting, only for them to be stolen & reverse engineered in China?
I’m studying mechatronics engineering and seeing these videos where the things I’m learning are really being applied make me so excited for the future of automation. Great video!
I loved seeing you, a well read very smart guy, talk to two engineers with degrees and fieldwork and everyone was just super happy to engage, the CEOs let their EMPLOYEES SPEAK ABOUT THEIR WORK, there weren't massive Egos flying around. Awesome video.
I love that moment when two brains connect. When Destin is doing the mental math saying “so if I’m…. “ and he pauses to work this out and Ed _tacitly stays silent and lets him get their himself_ , he continues “So steeper angles give more rigid parts” and Ed does the universal finger point of “you got it” saying “yes”.. loved that moment
26:12 is the timestamp :)
Destin is speaking at genius level when discussing the forming processes, tools, robots, materials used, etc., and so deep into geek-speak that the topic and project still remained fascinating. Several times during the discussions, I could actually see the "light come on over Destin's Brain Housing Group' to the point, I thought they were going to either offer him a job or walk him out thinking he might be spoofing them. Outstanding effort again Destin!
humans are social creatures. theres nothing more satisfying than going way too deep discussing potential practical mechanisms or methods with practical people, or creative notions that stimulate precise emotions with creative people, or emotional stimuli that influence behaviour with sociologists, or introducing unexpected ideas in thought experiments with philosophers. just pushing the envelope to find new boundaries with like minded people. what could be more exciting?
humans are social creatures. theres nothing more satisfying than going way too deep discussing potential practical mechanisms or methods with practical people, or creative notions that stimulate precise emotions with creative people, or emotional stimuli that influence behaviour with sociologists, or introducing unexpected ideas in thought experiments with philosophers. just pushing the envelope to find new boundaries with like minded people. what could be more exciting?
He has that finger point down to a science.
As a maker with a LOT of experience with a lot of different materials and processes from traditional sculpting to blacksmithing, to vacuum forming to CAD/CAM (both reductive and additive), I REALLY appreciated that simplified explanation of restriking. What Machina Labs is doing is SO much more than just making over glorified car assembly robots. That ability to respond to a material while working it is truly game changing stuff. They aren't joking when they said they're trying to make artisan robots.
Yea, I was asking my self that question the whole video until they got to that part. It is pretty crazy to think about, considering for millenia we did the best to work around that with heat, hammer, and an anvil.
That was my notion too. Using it for custom one-off work would be incredible.
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The first step in robots that can make robots to make robots.
Every time I think they’ve thought of everything I realise there’s a whole other level of calculations, absolutely insane
Unlike conventional press moulds, this one allows for customization of the thickness at each point on the formed (pinched) metal plate. This feature is useful for specific applications that would otherwise require reinforcement with additional metal sheets or a design change. Its like point specific reinforced design. At larger scale I would imagine it will have lots of specialized precision moulding applications. Congratulations on this novel method.
exactly - they can use the sheet to the fullest rather than compromize the design. rad! 🎉
Und ist nicht für die Serienproduktion geeignet.
As an engineer one has to really appreciate the complexity of the task, coupling flexible multibody dynamics with non linear solid mechanics and being able to run it an control it real time. Under the apparent simplicy it is really like magic
I am no engineer, “only” an it-specialist. How can that be so freaking complicated? In my opinion you just need a bendable frame and two ballpoint tips to pinch and dent, isn’t it? Maybe I am extremely dumb or maybe missing something 😅
@@MrBro51 You are definitely missing something and a lot of it is in the process.
@@MrBro51I’m just an IT specialist too, but I can easily see how difficult the control system and feedback loop have to be in order to allow for this kind of precision forming. To gain an appreciation for it, see if there is a local First Robotics Competition team (probably at a local high school) in your area and become a mentor, most of them are constantly looking for good people to help out the team. The control systems in use on FRC robots are much more simplistic than this, but it takes a lot of programming to make them perform their functions correctly.
The software code alone has got to be pretty intense. It ain't no Gcode for your 3D FFM printer! I'm curious to know what language they coded in.
100% agree. I rarely come across something where the more I think about it, the more insanely complex and brilliant I realize it is. This is absolutely amazing.
So refreshing to hear a CEO understand his business as deeply as any of his colleagues. His displays of respect for Newton feel genuine :D
This is what it looks like when the founder has control of the company. Companies should live and die with their founders IMO. Make room for something new. We don't need companies to last hundreds of years, that seems to cause only problems.
The potter pinching clay on spinning wheel is a beautiful analogy. Amazing bit of kit!
I really loved how you left in a lot of the typically "behind the scenes" bits of the video, like asking if you can mic him, asking where you're allowed to stand and checking what you're allowed to ask. Very interesting stuff and shows integrity.
I love it that Destin hears a process and says oh that’s hard, and they answer back with oh man it’s fun. That’s awesome.
It's nice to see people in these facilities able to properly geek out about the processes and machines. I love that you were able to show this new world to us.
That's what happens when you get designers and engineers talking and not PR mouth pieces
Now this is cool stuff. I worked around a bunch of Fanuc and Kuka robots in automated weld manufacturing and I was amazed in the accuracy of these large machines. They can hit alignment pins dead center with a 400 pound part hanging on the end effector, or take accurate quality control photos for part and hole alignment. To see such large machines do such accurate work over a huge operating envelope is amazing. To see them do the kind of work shown in this vid is completely next level. Good work guys. "Your wicked smart" ya dude, you are.
Mad props to Destin for asking if there are any optical lockouts. This is a man who knows his way around this sort of environment.
What is an optical lockout? I thought maybe it was in reference to areas of the machine that the company wouldn't want the public to see...
Massive thanks to Machina Labs for letting this channel make a video about your innovative service!
Machina Labs You are BOSS LEVEL!
I really like how passionate people can get about a project they are working on. Like 19:13 you can see the joy on his face.
Yeah almost seems like that guy in particular enjoys this stuff so much he'd do it for free.
This is very cool. I was involved in titanium hot forming. It was often called a black art. Quite often it would take 10 to 15 tryouts to build a hot forming tool that works.
It was a genuine pleasure to watch all of them get excited and talk so knowledgeably about every aspect of this! It's always fun when the process that they've developed is so incredibly difficult and complex, that they can describe it all they want and know that the proprietary information is the actual implementation of the software, not really anything else. They described so much of how all of this works, and yet it still seems insane that you could make something that could actually do this.
Geeks geeking out is always fun.
Hey Destin! Amazing episode as always. One thing that might be incorrect is at 11:45 where you talk about gears and play/backlash. Kuka is actually using strain wave gears in their robots. Those are a completely different concept from simple spur gears and they don't backlash. Might be interesting to look into this at some point. :) Keep up the good work. 👍🏼
Thanks for this comment
Some also use belt drive.
Many others use them too, "harmonic drive" is another name for the concept. And of course for linear movement ball-screws are essentially backlash-free as well. None of that is infinitely stiff though and neither are the actual beams between the joints which in the end results in the need to do the corrections in the control system. Another cool/useful (also sometimes problematic) thing about the strain wave gears is that you can't back-drive them so holding a position (when there is not too much dynamic load) requires very little power.
Now I want@@smartereveryday to cover strain wave / harmonic drive gearing concepts in detail!
Destin, deep dive into manufacturing has become my favorite series since episode 1!
Definitely! So fascinating.
Nice to see you here. Love your videos too.
I just started using a bead roller to put some end lips on pipes I weld. It came with about 6 different shaped dies and i cant really think far enough to use more than maybe 2. THIS tech makes my bead roller look like an antique water wheel in comparison!
Dang I kinda wish I could work there! Super fascinating mechanisms at play and ROBOTS! Thank you for showing us their facility 😊 And thank you, staff, for sharing so much about how it works!
Holy cow, we were doing this in 1979 at a defense contractor. We used HP laser interferometer systems to measure the entire position paths of the end effectors. This reduced the need to calculate all the deflections in the arm. We weren't doing things this large or complex, but it worked. Don't ask what they were making, I could never figure it out. I was just maintaining and writing software for the laser system.
Of all the things, this is the smartest episode I've ever seen. The amount of disciplines brought together in this process is just phenomenal.
+1 on this!
This is an absolutely brilliant manufacturing technique! Thank you so much for doing the deep-dive into it, it was very informative.
Love you brotha! Please keep doing what you are doing! You are showing the world that there are renaissance red necks among us. We go unsung.... I am an automotive mechanic by trade but pride myself on resolving complex electrical issues that the other guys won't/can't touch. It is amazing how underestimated and under appreciated we are.
This manufacturing series is incredible so far! Greatly looking forward to an injection molding episode, would love to see you dive into multiple-shot and overmolding
My first job was machining injection mold bases. That company did the mold for the first plastic hangers we still use today. It was always funny seeing those be made. We did so much more precise machining that making those seemed so out of place in the shop. Injection molds really are cool and I agree seeing him do an in depth dive on them would be amazing.
I'm dreaming, but eventually rotomolding as well!
yeah, would love to see injection moulding of rubber parts!
This this this!
I am an industrial maintenance technician that works for a plastic injection molding company. Last place I worked for did plastic extrusion but this injection is so much cooler.
I wrote my master thesis on this topic at a university in germany about 4-5 years ago. The professorship was researching on this topic for over 10 years at this point. It's crazy to see you making a video about it now. Very interessing technique with lots and lots of interessting details from an engineering standpoint. I am very happy that this is getting somewhere now!
The point where they said 7 axis optimization problem was when I realized that they aren't just doing "simple" kinematics, they are doing linear algebra stuff. The optimization with material conservation and rigidity optimizing just took it over the top. No wonder this has taken 30 years of development for even small scale commercialization.
riblets and laminar flow from owl wings transferred to metal for faster and efficient surfaces!
Maybe they could use another employee to help them along?
Just from the little demo at the start i can see more or less EXACTLY how this process works and i am astounded at the ingenuity these people have shown. this machine could make custom fitted armor REALLY easily not to mention some of the things this tech might be able to do for prosthetics production, where everything has to be bespoke for it to work right
This was fascinating. So many more questions now. Thanks for making this accessible to a wider audience.
One thing I really appreciate in all of his videos like this is the way he is able to follow along and not only understand but figure out things as they speak and keep connecting the dots with his brilliance so much so that people on the other side are really careful in what they share and not cuz they can clearly see that Destin gets it and puts together the pieces really well.
No kidding. I wonder how often he gets job offers? "Hey Destin, wanna be our CEO?"
Destin has been getting smarter every day for quite a while now. He is a pretty smart dude
@@triankhan But what keeps my attention are all those "oh wow!" moments. No matter how much he has learned to date, there's ALWAYS something new to discover, even in seemingly "obvious" situations. And his enthusiasm and joy at those moments is infectious. ◡̈
@@triankhanHe's a perpetual thinking machine.
@@Pants4096 if you aint learning, you aint living
So many thanks to anyone who invites Destin in to see the guts. It gives a certain level of clairvoyance, And a better appreciation towards manufacturing.
Fascinating process. I used to work in manufacturing, in injection molding, vacuum and forming, I've worked with Fanuc and Yaskawa (motoman robots.
The questions asked and explanations given were really pertinent to giving a clear understanding of the problems and solutions developed by this ingenious company. I found this to be one of the most fun videos that I have ever seen about a manufacturing technique. As a mechanical engineer, I may have more insight into the problems than many people, but anyone who has actually tried to make something with tools would be impressed.
Phenomenal. Well done. Thanks to Machine Labs for allowing you in to talk about this. It's basically advertising for them, but still it's a lot of effort to be interviewed about something like this.
I can really feel Dustin trying to be respectful as he can, and I really like that! Asking for optical lockouts, not pushing further on business questions when he could but still trying to learn as much as he can. It’s a delicate balance sometimes!
What is an optical lockout? Google wasn't very helpful.
@@connorsterrett you are not allow to film it (Classified, IP, etc. )
@@bagnon Oh, I thought it was an optial "safety shutdown" in case someone got into a dangerous area.
@@svankensen True, they do have light curtains that shut down for safety if you get too close. Maybe that is what he really meant as you suggest.
@@bagnonI’m fairly certain that Destin was referring to light curtains and other similar non contact optical safety features when he said optical lockout.
I saw something similar to this in a video on KZhead once, where it was a 3 axis CNC mill with something like these end effectors, and forming over a ... well, form. It also reminds me a lot of metal spinning, though clearly it's vastly more flexible than that, in that the parts don't have to be round. Very cool stuff. :D
Do they make industrial slides and funnels for assembly lines? I could see that being used to make flanges for aircraft and complex shrouding and ductwork for aircraft too.
This year I decided to pursue a Master Thesis in the context of incremental forming and plan to start a PhD project next year. When I first chose the topic I never really heard of it before, but I was fascinated by the combination of material science, automation engineering and robotics. The more I'm researching the more I'm fascinated by all the amazing research and developments and the insanely vast solution space. Seeing it now on one of my favorite youtube channels feels almost surreal. The stuff the guys from machinalabs are doing is just incredible! Thank you Destin for this amazing video!
Good luck to you!
Why is this useful vs 3d printing?
@@Idiomatickyou cant tree d print sheet like that. Layers will not join since you need a certain thickness. You sometimes want the least amount of material for a given shape.
PhD in engineering? Just... why? I am actually curious what lead you to that decision. Everyone I know was talked into it by the school (they can't get enough PhD students in Engineering because no one even considers it viable or useful) and all except one didn't finish it.
@@Arrynek01 I'm from Germany and it is actually quite common to get a PhD in engineering here. But it's also structured differently than e.g. in the U.S. I think. You aren't a student anymore but basically work full time on your own research project, supervise students and do some teaching. Also you already get paid normally, not the highest in the industry, but not bad either. For me it was a combination of that I like the people I work with, I like the project and I like the relative freedom and responsibility, plus some other points
Crazy to see where the parts I made at work end up. I made those white electrical pin connectors on the robot tool changer at 21:30. Super cool to see it in action.
super cool
Kuka now is owned by China, yes?
Are the contacts gold plated to prevent corrosion? They must spend a lot of time exposed to the environment.
@@tjm2212 to be more specific, I only machined out the part. I saw the finished part with the pins inside a a handful of times but I believe they were gold plated and it would make sense in applications like these.
Hey Destiny, my dad designed the steering for those robots. Kuka buys them from the company he used to work for. :) Glad to see you like em
Hi Destin! Im not sure if you read comments this long after you upload, but I think adding a steel mill to your series on how things are made would be really cool. I personally work at one in Oklahoma and it'd basically be like a dream come true if you were to come and tour it!
So freaking cool.
sure
Metal is metal and metal deforms
Can you rig the IRS? 👁️👃👁️ 🙏
What kind of not-a-wheelchair parts can you make with one of these bad boys??
You ruined my iPhone 6s bro! Remember that jerryrig
I have left school 8 years ago and learned to be a tool mechanic. The last video with stamping tools was basic for me. THIS just blows my mind. It was logic form the first second i saw the two robots move together. This is awesome. I love to see how wildly different the same part is created and basically bending millimeter by millimeter instead of the whole thing at once is possible by thinking outside of the box. I really love the idea of one robot pushing and the other supporting building one machine together.
I'm a software engineer for a robotics company and this video was pretty straightforward. Last video blew MY mind :)
@@FryGuy1013The irony.
@@FryGuy1013 I'm a mechanical engineer who works in the aerospace industry, and I can safely say that BOTH videos blew my mind.
@@OverTheVoidsNext time they will put passengers on board, while robots will be finishing to make the wings of the plane. Making aircraft 100+ times more sophisticated in part count that any car, still way more reliable - looks like you are using black magic). So you must have a lot of very smart guys, much smarter than those designing cars or making software)
Have you ever used an English wheel?
To me what’s fascinating is how unbelievably invisible the massive amounts of forces going against the metal is, like it just doesn’t look like it’s doing anything because it’s working over a span of time rather than an instance. Very neat video!
This is a really interesting video. I used to be a detail draftsman for a metal fabrication company and used to design shapes, like for example square to round transitions for piping and the geometry of the shapes they are doing are really interesting. My first question was what the tips were made of and I was not surprised that it was proprietary. 😂
The last little bit at 28:17 was awesome to hear. The idea that we've flipped the bottleneck from the engineering/manufacturing side over to modern day computing just not being fast enough, is absolutely amazing. Can't wait to see more technologies like this, that break into the realms of science fiction in the most simple but mad hatter ways. Thanks for the video Destin and MachinaLabs!
I guess this is the part that still confuses me as to *why* it's faster than computing can allow, is that a matter of processing power actually not being fast enough (yet), or is it something else I missed? Curious if anyone can take a stab at answering this.... maybe ELI5 lol
@@JoshDauer If i had to guess it's because it isn't simply rendering geometry but following a sequence of steps. If you go back a bit to his hemisphere example, simply rolling out a hemisphere would give you really thin walls at the edge of the sheet, so to get a regular thickness they push material outwards. What i'm getting at is that the calculations to go from a model (the parts spec sizes and thicknesses) to a finished part aren't as simple as 3d printing where you're simply depositing the amount of material you need. They are actually deforming material and there could be many different ways to deform it and going through those possibilities is what takes time.
@@JoshDauer TLDR, the software knows from the beginning what the final part should look like. When it makes an adjustment to the metal, it measures how the input parameters (force, angle, etc) compare to what it actually wanted to happen. If the result wasn't right, it will adjust. It's like cooking to taste. Cook ingredient, taste, add salt, taste, needs more salt, taste again, done.
@@JoshDauer The compute required to test a part is potentially very large depending on what you need. Printing a part and testing it in a few hours is a good deal in some scenarios. I'd want this machine on site though, if i'm in the rocket industry for example, rather than waiting for test parts to get shipped to me.
Man, it would be so interesting to hear them get into the software side of things a lot more. I get that Destin focuses on the engineering side because that's where his expertise is but there could totally be another channel hosted by a computer science expert that focuses on the software. I'm not expecting the company to show actual source code, of course, but even a very simplified look into what's going on and what kind of software stack they're using would be great.
This was amazing! Thanks to Machina Labs for giving Destin the opportunity to show us what you do in such depth. Wishing you all the best and all the succes in the world.
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Agreed. I hope they get tons more business and engineers applying to work with them after videos like this. A cool one to see would be something like Meade Telescopes. They use GPS and star alignment to identify where you are and then help you to see different planets and stars and track them with the earth's movement. I remember going to the factory like 20 years ago and it blew my mind. Also the baths they put the glass under to make it so more light comes through and isn't reflected off.
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Amazing video Destin. Your dialog with the engineers was awesome. yall talked about very useful stuff.
It's such a blessing that people such as these guys are willing to share with us what they're doing. And you are such a blessing, being a vehicle to do that. This was truly amazing!
My education and career have been in engineering and computer science, so this series not only explores cutting edge topics that are really interesting, but it's edited well and conveys a lot of information in a short amount of time. In a word, the videos are "efficient" at teaching. Destin always conjures up great analogies using simple jigs and diagrams that solidify the key points. If I could only subscribe to a single KZhead channel, I'm pretty sure this would be it. Destin's enthusiasm for the topics, engineering insights, and respect for the professionals doing their work really make this channel a pleasure to watch.
It does a very good job at restriking those learning fires that have been dormant in my head for years.
This reminds me of the english wheel where a sheet of metal is pushed between two steel wheels that pinch and stretch the metal into a shape the operator wants. Absolutely fascinating watching it being worked out because it doesn't look like anything is being done at first but 15 minutes later you've got a gas tank for a motorcycle.
Ya that was my first thought too. This is like a extremely fancy CNC english wheel kinda
Same. Like a nearly infinite throat english wheel, and moving the tool instead of moving the part. Very cool to see the whole sheet shrink when it comes out of the clamps too! Great video, love this series!
Actually, the manual process which most resembles this is called repoussé. It's mostly confined to small-scale art projects, but I have seen some larger German works.
Love these videos. Not only the learning part, but also the enthusiasm people have for their work. Makes motivated to throw myself into my own research, expand our knowledge and skills further.
As a mechanical engineer with over 10 years experience in manufacturing my mind is absolutely blown learning about this process. My brain is racing thinking of all the ways this could be used. This could be an absolute game changer in prototyping. Thank you for sharing this Destin!
How though? 3D printing already does this. The only benefit is maybe for actual stress tests, but even then, since it's a completely different process, I doubt stress tests would really be equivalent. This also clearly has limits to the shapes it can do and can't exactly create solid parts, just shells of them. I don't know how this is cheaper or quicker than either 3D printing or just molding a bunch of iterations the old fashioned way.
@@peoplez129Well you can use the final material in your prototype, but without spending tons of money on molds (which you might never use again).
@@peoplez129 You're right that It's probably not cheaper or quicker than 3D printing, but the physical properties and materials are different. Most grades of steel that are common in sheet metal are not possible to 3D print. The layer separation makes properties like deflection different. Porosity of 3D printed parts changes hardness, density, and brittlness. Also size. You cannot 3D print an entire car hood like they showed here. At least not readily available on the market. You can "Roboform" in the exact material you want your final part to be, which is rarely the case in 3D printing. Don't get me wrong, I love 3D printing for fast iterative design, but it has it's limitations, and sheet metal is one of them.
@@mtl10 great explanation. This appears to be ideal for prototyping where you’d typically stamp parts. Not even taking into account the material possibilities (limitations) with 3D printing, 3D printing is ideally suited to prototype parts that would typically be machined, not stamped. Once something gets past the prototyping phase, it would then make sense to create your stamping dies to take it into production.
@@dipren443 wouldn't call this ideal. This is taking techniques from cnc manufacturing and applying them to stamp manufacturing. It's probably not right to fault them exactly though, they're doing what they know. There are just better ways to do this. It would be better to have a selection of various "hammers and anvils" so to speak and have the 2 robots progressively (from rough to detailed) work the metal that way. There's even the possibility of dynamically hydroforming, though that would require rigorous safety procedures. This is honestly one of the least ideal ways of manufacturing sheet metal. There are reasons people abandon this after sinking serious research into it. Sure it can be done, but all things considered, other than just doing it this way for the sake of it, this is a pretty awful way to do this.
I love these 'let him cook' moments like @26:11 where Destin is processing in real time, thinking out loud, and then he gets there and tour guys are all like 'yup, that's exactly it.'
It's incredibly enjoyable being somebody in a technical field like that, and being able to talk to somebody who can understand the implications of what you're saying. Those dude loved talking to Destin.
pretty common theme around destin, a large part is due to his background, but he's REALLY listening to these people and absorbing everything they're telling him, he does far better journalism than any professional out there to date, and brady may be right there behind him @@markjacobson4248
I think they're enjoying seeing him reach the same moments of deeper understanding they've had as well. It might be similar to when things "click together" when I'm helping students struggling with something. Sometimes those moments of working to fit pieces of information together are a better teaching tool than getting in someone's way and interrupting their thought process.
@@chasm9557 💯 having spent time teaching, the biggest joy was seeing their eyes light up with a realization just before they articulated it...
Passionate and exciting people, friendly and good communicators! We always need more people like this! THANKS for a new (french) subscriber !
just saw this reminded me that years ago I worked for an automorive spareparts and prototyping plant that used a one sided resin shape associated with a very thick synthetic rubber deformable surface that applied huge amounts of hydraulic pressure to make sheet metal parts for prototypes. Just an interesting process to a similar end, saw 2mm sheet with perfect details of coins throug the metal
It's only Destin that can interview and have such an engaging conversation with experts in these industries.
I feel like this should be more than a mini series. It should be a super-series! Have you thought about doing a vid on hydro-forming?
When I saw the thumbnail notification, I thought it was hydroforming. As a design engineer who worked in machine tools and tooling design just out of college I am seriously geeking out.
I think this is game changer for prototyping! I mean we have 3d printing for solid parts we only had giant hydraulic press for metal sheets forming , now I think it is changed.
love that you don't edit out the moments where it takes you a second to figure out what they are telling you - this makes it feel less intimidating to watch something I know nothing about
Being a 52 year old 'Grumpy Brit Git' (lol) Electro/Mechanical Engineer myself, I've been watching Destins videos for years with much fascination. And I just LOVE the idea that Destin is going to all these factories and plants to explain what's going on in a fun way, not just to entertain us with enjoyable content, but, like he's done for all these years.... To hopefully help the younger generations learn the wonders of engineering & manufacture so we get new electricians, mechanics, engineers, programmers and many more besides into the associated industries. I simply CANNOT commend you enough Destin! You're a top notch fella! 👌👍 If you think about it... This is the thoroughly modern take on an 'English Wheel' (two varying sized rollers 'Pinching' sheet Aluminium & steel a craftsman uses to make hand made car (and other) body shells)... 😎🇬🇧
I was thinking of it more as very precise hammer on dolly. Or maybe progressive bead rolling. It is fascinating nonetheless. Greetings from very close to the geographic center of the USA, from an American "Boomer"
It's also very similar to planishing, except with computer controlled robot arms instead of a planishing hammer and stake. That technique has been around for centuries and was used to make medieval suits of armour.
I Love the lads getting more and more relaxed, and opening up and having fun, Destin is such a legend
Everyone did exceptionally well - you covered so much ground and didn't miss a single important detail - I was incredibly surprised that one of the whole sheets with multiple parts took just 90 minutes Thank you for the video - totally awesome!
My mind is blown. These guys are so smart, and so is Destin. It's amazing that Machina is willing to talk about it.
It's the program where the magic is. I bet they wouldn't be so keen to talk about that.
i mean they can’t give you everything lol. That software looked extremely well thought out. That kind of stuff takes a good 5 yrs to develop properly. And then another 5 in order to have a proper rig set up and working.
If I made something this cool I'd be bursting to tell like that eureka guy. I wonder how upset their legal guy is.
Ive a friend who does with hammers every day :) this is just a robotised version of what car repairmen have done for 100 years-
@@AndrewTSq Yes. But that doesn’t diminish what they’ve accomplished. It gives you an idea of how good your motor control system is. Brain, brainstem, spinal cord, physical plant (body), creation of motor output commands and all the modeling, sensory feedback, updating your nervous system does continually. Your buddy can do his meatal working sitting, standing, moving or being moved by an external force to some degree as well. Truly astonishing to think about.
This company has to be one of my favorites that have been featured thus far. The senior leadership gives ownership and instills pride in his employees. Seems to be a wonderful company to work for.
This is mind blowing. Thank you for showing this. And also special thank you to the company (Machina Labs) for allowing this presentation.
It was mind-boggling and made perfect sense all at the same time. Fascinating, and thank you for the way you explained it to us.
It is always amazing to see the excitement shared with the people you talk to, you can see they have an amazing concept and when someone like you (and viewers) come and explore the work they have done. The gratification is all over their faces as you probe and ask intelligent questions.
All these guys seemed really excited to talk to someone they didn't have dumb it down for
@jongoode3296 I doubt they get many that are as educated and curious.
I can't tell you how much I appreciate how humble you are when you approach these new and exciting situations. You're one smart dude and you always impress the heck out of me as I learn from watching you learn.
Ed, Babak and Mark are great teachers! Thank you for saying nice things.
He's not humble: he's and attention seeker
@@iutu8235how lmao
@@iutu8235 Are you his therapist or what? Achieve anything close to what this man has done in his life and stay that humble, I dare you.
@@iutu8235 LMAO I come here to learn, not hate on people. Destin is too nice for you to say those things
I love how this video truly honors the ingenuity behind the work those guys are doing. Not only them but also the entire engineering body of knowledge that brought them to this point
Now there is a manual way of doing this on a lathe, but you have the same issue of needing a piece of tooling with similar geometry to the finished part. The mandrel is in the spindle and pinches a metal disk (the stock) against the tailstock. Now where the toolpost is instead of having a fixed cutting tool, you have a roller that can be pivoted by hand. You make pasess by forcing the disk against the mandrel with the roller while the spindle is turning
I feel like this is the kind of thing that would've really inspired me as a kid; Destin's out there helping to usher in the next generation of engineers and I love it. Incredible tech in this video, and I'm in awe at the transparency these guys had in describing how they do what they do.
The insanely complicated process of designing this machine can't be truly appreciated without seeing the engineers pulling their hair out while building it. This is incredible.
I feel like watching Stuff Made Here try to beat all of his creations into shape is what gave me the proper context for appreciating how incredible this process is
Don't simp
@@AutismusPrime69 no idea what that means
@@ChainsawChristmashe means it's uncool to be interested. He's basically a moron
There is also deflection in the end deflector. I was going to ask if it swivels, you can see it does at 12:05.
These guys are going places. Awesome to see in a time where production abs processes are being pushed offshore.
Thanks Destin, for always having that childish spark and the love for learning. At 40 years old, I feel like a kid in elementary school every time I watch one of your videos. Thank you for always being so passionate about learning things that you don't fully understand, and bringing us along with you on your learning adventures. ❤