Why Defunding The Police Was Such A Stupid Idea - Coleman Hughes
Chris and Coleman Hughes discuss why the “defund the police” movement was a dumb idea. What were the repercussions of defund the police according to Coleman Hughes? Did the movement have its intended outcomes according to Coleman Hughes?
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You have to understand the National News Media is on this to distort reality and push an agenda. Every year during election, the National News Media will PROMOTE a news story and distort the truth to get the population to Vote Democrat. If you read all the reporting on the George Floyd incident by the New York Times, you will notice that NY Times did NOT REPORT into the 18 year history of George Floyd's criminal history of theft and armed robbery. The last where he did a house invasion of a pregnant woman and held a gun to her belly asking where the money and drugs are. George was spending time in Houston prison for aggravated robbery before being released and moving to Minneapolis. 98% of the general public have no idea of the extent of George's long rap sheet of criminal history because NONE OF THE MAINSTREAM MEDIA in America reported on it. George had at least 5 stints in jail with evidence of criminal arrests fom 1997-2007 or twenty years of criminal behavior with at least 9 arrests. But notice that the New York Times did a thorough research of Derek Chauvin going back to his childhood. The New York Times could not find any evidence of verbal or written racism by Derek Chauvin. Not one associate or friend said he was racist. Remember that one of the other 3 police officers that day is a light-skinned black male. Remember that the owner of the bar that Chauvin worked part-time is Hispanic and his former wife is Asian. During that 2020 event, noticed that the national newspaper, "USA TODAY" was actually promoting and publishing the dates and times of BLM marches across the USA. That is, USA TODAY was in on it to promote the "peaseful protests" that ended costing the insurance industry close to $3 BILLION. If you want to read about the extensive criminal history of George Floyd between 1997-2007, search this article in quote below from the Daily Mail. The Daily Mail is a UK or British newspaper that did a thorough investigative job that none of USA national newspapers did not report on. "EXCLUSIVE: A new start turns to a tragic end for George Floyd, who moved to Minneapolis determined to turn his life around after being released from prison in Texas"
In addition to the Tony Tima case where a white man died in Dallas, Texas while the police kneeled on the back of Timpa for 14 minutes, there is also a similar incident the a Hispanic man who passed away by hands of police that occured about 1.5 years after George Floyd. This happened to Mario Gonzalez in Alameda , California. Again, why did this identical death was not shown or promoted by the National News Media? Because it doesn't fit their agenda and to hide from the general public that this actually happens to ALL ETHNICIITIES and not due to racism as they would like to promote so the Democrates use to get into office. This incidenbout Mario Gonzales was also caught on Police Body cam and you can search on KZhead for the video: "Police body-cam video shows death of Mario Gonzalez while in custody"
CHRIS read Rachael A. Wolfdorf's White Flight / Black Flight: The Dynamics of Racial Change in an American Neighborhood, gated communities were built to specifically battle governmental busing programs busing in the underclass and the working poor into relatively prosperous white middle class neighborhoods
Thank you for this, Chris & Coleman yet, still, to date, not one powerful human in history or influencer will speak the problem source & solution to the history of the "We love God" Politics of fascism, racism, misogyny, homophobia, Anti-Jews, wars & genocides in both the Torah & per Jesus that has nothing whatsoever to do with one's race, culture, religious sect, rituals or "holy" words of "I believe." I remain nonreligious. Began studying The Bible @ 15 because of what happened to me @ St. Joseph's College 1-4th Grades (best English-speaking school available in 60's Yokohama). My most recent video presents what that Bible is teaching that remains untaught for a reason. Do you live to reconcile rising desires to hurt others by "aborting" that desire & instead finding the solution that does no harm. Do you know there is One Law called "The All of the Law" that ensures Self-Preservation, preventing the rise of any further hate-building, violence or fascism? I've been appealing to the most powerful humans since 2000. Even my mother who'd been with the US Secret Service 22 years, also nonreligious, understood "The All of the Law." She lived it. Most of us do. If humans do not believe & stand-up for evident truth that this world can be run by leaders that live to resolve rising problems without hurting others, they shall reap what comes down the pike of uncontested, unopposed power. The history of "opposition" to the crimes against humanity has failed for millennia after millennia because the opposition also silences the problem-source & solution right there in both the Old & New Testaments. I find out I am of Jewish ancestry after mom suddenly passed in 2016. The Biblical "reconciliation between Jews & Gentiles under Jesus Christ" shall never happen until the correct definition of the 1 Circumcision gets taught to the world. Maybe consider watching my last video. Am not monetizing. I tried to with 5 books, no longer sold since the Publ Co closed. My site here on KZhead all but ignored, but thankful that after all these years there are 203 subscribers who have considered the ancient, untaught solution and found no offense. It has never been spoken by powerful voices in History nor to the ones I've appealed to since 2000. I hope Coleman will consider the solution. All it takes is 1 powerful voice or maybe a group of voices to pierce through the global, monopolized media to speak the solution. People are not stupid. Just dumbed-down in a flood of lies for multiple millennia. Stay well. Love, from Reno.
Medical establisment supported BLM protests because covid cases were in decline and they needed covid to justify enrollment of vaccine.
We don't need to defund law enforcement; we need to hold them accountable for any abuse of power
I mean, it probably would make sense for the US police to spend less on SWAT teams and more on social workers. But still, "defund" is not a good word for that.
@@andybrice2711"Social workers" = Mfs who will run away once the criminal pulls out a kitchen knife.
@@andybrice2711 I've yet to meet a social worker who was worth the salt in their soup.
“Defund Bias Mainstream Media”
@@andybrice2711so you want social workers getting shot instead? That’s weird logic.
Defunding law enforcement in cities that need it the most doesn’t help people, it hurts people
Exactly.
Common sense ain't so common anymore.
Why trade the 2A right for the illusion of govt safety?
Hurts the people who count on the police the most
Oh no it's helping people.....the people that want to do crime. And that's who's pushing for it
Defunding the police has the exact consequences everyone knew it would have. Act shocked everyone.
Every major city except NYC RAISED funding lol no other major city reduced funding.
They knew it was a stupid idea. We knew it was a stupid idea. They knew we knew it was a stupid idea. They did it anyway.
Performative empathy working the way it's supposed to. It's sad that it couldn't be accepted point blank.
Done to ruin the country… what else is George soros for??? EVERYTHING IS INTENTIONAL
What do you mean, "They did it anyway". Where did they defund the police?
It wasn’t a stupid idea. Giving the state a monopoly on security in the first place was the stupid idea
@@squatch545 A simple google search will show you financially which cities severed budgets. There were many many cities across America where police budgets were cut in extreme ways. Moreover, apart from the financial disaster that this was, it was an overarching sentiment targeted at police that tried to tell Americans that ALL police are "the bad guys" and that they are out hunting the black man. This sentiment led to the greatest harms being perpetrated against the very group that it claimed to help. That is what is meant by saying "but they did it anyway" by the original poster.
Jocko pointed out how Navy Seals train for 18 months for a 6 month deployment. Police need more training, not less.
Well I’m gonna say it, a police officer and a Navy Seal are two very different types of jobs. A Navy Seal trains to kill people and accomplish missions critical to national security. A Police Officer trains to take your traffic report, or wrestle drunks into custody. I do get the sentiment for more training though. Most peace officers at reputable agencies have 18 months of training before they are certified. Most state licensing agencies also require a minimum amount of training to maintain their licenses. there is also training value gleaned from every patrol shift that you wouldn’t necessarily take in by sitting in a classroom.
Most of the missions the navy seals conduct have a real correlated mission in the law enforcement world. Seals also conduct hostage rescue and respond to active shooter situations. Seals have to gather intelligence and execute missions on that intelligence. Sure the main difference is Seals get to fight bad guys who are foreigners and cops get to fight other Americans who are just as bad.
Police need more “SCREENING” For employment. OVERWHELMINGLY… Police are coward/ tyrants who know they would end up in prison for: Beating Extorting Murdering people… If they didn’t have “The Badge”.
We've tried the whole "more training" thing. All we get are more authoritarian militarized cops.
@@squatch545 Ok couple things… you say “We’ve” tried more training. Who is we? Because there are thousands of police agencies across America. Many of them with no more than 20 officers on the department and with only enough budget to hire officers that paid for their own academy. Also, the whole militarized cops thing always blows my mind. A Department having SWAT capabilities does not mean it’s militarized. Officers actions cannot be authoritarian, we only have the authority to enforce laws and statutes created by legislatures that WE vote in, meanwhile the way we enforce said laws is under constant scrutiny by the District and Supreme courts.
My friends and I were talking about the hypocrisy of politicians wanting citizens to narc on each other for visits, gatherings, but when everyone is outside protesting, etc, it was perfectly fine. Make it make sense.
... its funny how the wolves got the sheep to remove the guard dogs lol
Watch less tv bro… men out here sounding like Shakespeare and shit…
Perfect example right here between an educated man and a non educated man. 😂
Perfect metaphor
because the lions that rule you convinced you that you were a "sheep that needs a guard dog" instead of another wolf... Americans have the 2nd amendment; use it.
@@alexdavila1356 let me know when y’all are done with the conspiracy theatre 🎭
To give you accurate numbers by the CDC of what Coleman is talking about. 2019 Black homicides victims 10,030 2020 Black homicides victims 13,594 an upsurge of 3,564 Blacks were 36% more likely to be homicide victims in the Year of the Racial Reckoning, 2020, compared to the bad old days of 2019.
Then you gotta explain why crime went down during 2008 financial crisis
If the defund police drive began in mid 2020 the increased murder numbers wouldn’t apply until at least the next year as budgets and allocations were set, to attribute it to defunding just isn’t true
@James_Willow When you take away consequences for peoples actions they will take advantage of the system that has been created. Mass looting is another perfect example. California basically made it legal to steal as long as it did not exceed 900 dollars. Now businesses are shutting down and or moving out of these areas.
@James_Willowthat wasn't the point. The point is that the victims were disproportionately black (which they have always been).
@James_Willow no that's an excuse
Lots of people were citing statistics about numbers of police brutality broken down by race. It was totally ignored by the great media we have in this country. Plenty of people were trying to raise this issue.
The liberal media has blood on its hands but what else is new.
Coleman Hughes is heading towards achieving the same stature as Thomas Sowell. Keep up the good work, Coleman you are making a true contribution to society. God Bless!
Amazing that we live in a world where this needs to be explained…
Is not the whole world just woke liberal democracies.
There is a lot of selfish misinformed stupid people out there buddy.
I was living in East Harlem during the defund protest. There was a huge protest one day while we were out for a walk. I looked at the people protesting and they did not look like people that really spent much time in East Harlem. They came out to protest police, but don't come out to support the businesses in the community, they probably were not aware about the crime in the area, ect... There were there to protest and feel good about themselves.
I am a left of center with many, many liberal and progressive friends as my career field requires a degree and deals with social services. Every single person supporting the defunding of police in my friend group were also insulated from the fall out. They were middle class white liberal females paying a premium to live in neighborhoods where the primary grocery store was a Whole Foods and saw very little crime. I honestly just removed myself from this group of friends because I got tired of their self congratulatory behavior with zero forethought as to how it would actually impact the communities they claimed to want to help. These are the types of people that will give 100s to a struggling black or Hispanic student but not stay after school to help them learn to read. They are they type of people that will attend marches but not be able to articulate why they are there (it actually happened to a group of my friends when they were interviewed at a feminist march in Savannah). Because they are only there to say they were, to wear their “goodness” like a badge, and to grab a microbrew IPA and vegan sandwich afterwards while crowing how they just stuck it to “the man.” Performative. All performative.
That's a good thing you point out, a lot of the "protesters" over the last few years are not from the areas or even the state they are protesting in. Many are essentially hired actors to push the agenda and message.
@@dostagirl9551 sounds like you might benefit from making new friends. there are plenty of reasonable people who self-describe as either moderate or right of center. after voting straight D since 2000, personally i'll never pull the lever again for a Democratic candidate under any circumstances. my moment of change was partially described near the end of this video - encouraging race riots mere weeks after locking people inside their homes, all in a completely insane attempt to do anything possible to win in the november election.
There are people who are "full time protestors", I hung out with Anarchist and Communists and I know the type of people that often protest, they travel across the country and often internationally, there are also people who are "professional protestors" (paid protestors) and "full-time protestors" (often unemployed people on welfare or squatters, illegal immigrants from wealthy countries, Etc.). I just cannot stress how the numbers of a protest doesn't reflect popular opinion. Most anti-nuclear protests are just people from all over the world or all over the country coming to stop cheap energy. These people have no issue distorting issues either as long as they get their way and many have no issue getting violent if they know that they can get away with it. Very few of them are actually empathetic people, one older man I met wished for humanity to devolve into nomads and when I pressed him about it he smugly admitted that billions would have to "disappear" for his dream world to come true and that cities will be ruins of a bygone civilisation. I cannot stress how misanthropic many of these people are.
@@Planeet-Long I went to University in San Fran. I saw how for some people protesting was almost like a hobby. It is easier to tear down than to build up. When you ask questions you see many protesters don't really know what they are protesting and just repeat talking points.
It takes out the caring members of the community and opens the door to Marshall Law, once all officers walk out after Professional First World Victim DAs release the arrestees the next day.
I think they tried the same thing in Germany that allowed the creation of the gestapo
*Martial Law
Funny that issues with teacher quality result in cries to pay them more to attract better candidates, yet with law enforcement the solution was to take money away to make them better. If you want better officers, teachers, better lawyers, etc, the solution is simple. Pay them more and better-quality people will pursue these careers.
Maybe hire cops that aren't Freemasons? That might be a step up.😮
Reality-check: here in MINNEAPOLIS, police were NEVER de-funded! police make good salaries with great benefits. Here in MINNEAPOLIS, MN: police got $10,00 BONUS to STAY. Now hiring bonuses are being offered.
That's a very misleading logic you have. More pay does not mean better quality workers.
@@hmu958 Yes it does. If it didn’t everyone would be a doctor or an engineer or a lawyer and society would cease to function as everyone stops striving for better. It’s not 100%, nothing is, whoever graduated last in med school is still called doctor. But it’s the easiest solution to implement.
Big facts!
The biggest problem with media here in the USA is that it is commercialized. Non-profit news divisions should be a condition of broadcast licensing.
If LAPD (I live in LA) was told tomorrow to start enforcing law and were ensured they had the full endorsement of the DA and Mayor would it change anything? You can't pay union employees to NOT do their job for 6 years and then suddenly expect them to do their job. Work ethic deteriorates with time. Sure some are chomping at the bit to serve & protect but most are just workers at a job. You can't double their work load not to mention risk to their life after a 6 year hiatus.
That 180 degree turn the medical professionals made really was something. It was a complicated debate at the time, but the the sudden shift in attitude and policy felt politically motivated.
Narrator: it was.
Army Vet who has been in LE 24 years. Patrol, SWAT, Narco. The thing with LE training is: In the military it's mostly training, training, training, until you get deployed to WORK. Then you rotate back for more training. In LE its work, work, work and you try to squeeze in training without breaking the overtime budget. Or without pulling so may officers off of the street for training that there is nobody answering calls. LE is like being deployed 24/7/365 with no rotation back to the States for training. So you try to squeeze in "field training" between missions as best you can. IMO, the "solution" is to staff PD's so that there is enough manpower to have an entire shift/platoon off the road for training for a quarter of the year. And you have quality training facilities and instructors, relevant training and a commitment to performance. The fact of the matter is..for all the lip service the public gives to improving the caliber of American LE...pretty much nobody would be willing to pay the tax bill for what that would take to really work.
This is another perspective that is good and thank you for this comment. Plus, the mental wear on officers constantly, especially with thinking about your comment. It’s as if they are being set up to fail and make huge mistakes.
Great comment. What is your opinion on the prevalence of the Wolves and Sheep mentality?
@@AlastairSmith you will have to clarify that question. I don't know exactly what you are asking.
I've seen how in some cities 3-5 cop cars show up for one guy with a camera to check his id. Not all at once. Couple of officers arrive, get an idea of what's happening, don't report that the backup is clearly not needed or even call backup, then several more cars arrive and officers just stand there "securing the scene". ))) Doesn't look understaffed.
Recently in Texas a police chief said he knew there was a backlog of sexual assault cases from the past 30 years. He knew in 2017 yet did not assign any new case officers to fix the issue until 2023 when the media started to ask him questions. This same police chief went to the media crying about budget cuts in 2019 yet knew the department had an issue that it wasn’t addressing that affected the constituents in his community. Now how do you think this issue should be resolved because it is the case all over the country.
I remember at the time thinking defund the police was the stupidest thing I had ever heard. I posted my opinion on social media, and it was not met with much support. I can't believe people fell for this idiotic nonsense. Only an extremely privileged group would advocate for the removal of the police. There were people at the time saying defund the police doesn't mean defunding the police. And I argued what a stupid communications strategy that was and that some people would take it literally, which they did.
The initiative to defund the police appears to have primarily served the interests of certain politicians seeking to capitalize on the opportunity for media attention and relevance. It seems that the true intention behind the move was not to address systemic issues or improve public safety, but rather to garner political visibility. This perception persists both in the past and present, suggesting that the underlying motives remain unchanged.
Admire Coleman Hughes, his intellect, courage & composure so much. But making an easy and regrettable prediction: The Mob is going to fire up some viral cancellation hysteria for his referring to the George Floyd ... "death".
2020 was also an election year.
The Dems milked that like a cow.
Highly under-rated comment
At Harvard, Gay suppressed Roland Fryer’s research on policing …
I had to laugh when I heard your title of this😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂 I have full respect for law-enforcement, not crummy attitudes.
Great talk summarizing 2020 events that still affects our lives today
love the lighting in Chris´ room!
i watched a recent chinese tiktok where a beautiful chinese woman was giving a speech on rules of govern, and how society must have a 80/20 split of poor v.s rich, or you won;'t have a milatary class, or a service economy class ... and why you need to have crime so that the citizens feels that the government is needed. I assure you this is not the only country using that play book. most chinese elites went to ivy league schools in the united states and are in quiet a few secret socities in the west. pretty sure the CIA introduced crack cocaine to the black neighborhoods in the united states during the early 1980s.
the united states government spends 30$ billion dollars per day, it is estimated it costs $50 billion dollars per year to end homelessness in america. and BTW, we are about to send $60 billion dollars to ukraine and israel.
China has pretty low crime rate
The War on Drugs. The one thing that explains EVERYTHING about how it got so bad now yet no one wants to remember it
Coleman Hughes is like Thomas Sowell of his generation.
Thomas would have never voted for Biden - he actually said of Biden won he don’t the country could be saved by the damage they would do. Coleman voted for the very people who defunded police -
@kham6006 when Thomas Sowell was a young man, he was a liberal. I'd bet that Colman Hughes is not going to vote for Biden this time around.
@@kham6006when did Biden ever say he was going to defund the police? Also how many police stations got defunded?
@@henrytep8884don't remember if Biden said it or not, but lots of Democrat politicians said it. Some of the places off the top of my head that ( defunded, or cut down the funding) Seattle, Portland , Minneapolis. There were plenty of others
@@jitkablahakova3073He wasn't just a liberal he was a Marxist. And then he learned how wrong he was when he started working.
“There were protests, not just in America, but all around the world”. I’ve seen ACAB graffiti in London, Paris, and most surprisingly, Zurich.
Yes, it was an organized movement that had been planned, it wasn't just a spur of the moment thing
I saw a woman at a protest in London saying how she can’t let her son out because she thinks he will get killed by the police. There has been an average of five people a year killed by the police in the whole of the uk in the last five years. None were black and some of them were committing a terrorist act.
I never heard of Coleman Hughes and am so grateful that he’s out here, speaking truth! Watching him articulate his thoughts is like watching an artist.
I feel like the reasons why is fairly obvious
Well maybe u could say it out loud because idk what reasons u believe and u could enlighten other ppl. For example, skum bag Zuckerberg was all for defunding the police while he pays for PRIVATE SECURITY!!!! That’s sneaky sly behaviour too so I’m glad these two guys brought this utter hypocrisy up! IMO BLM was an organisation that had many ppl in it and supporters who genuinely cared but was definitely hijacked from within. For example, how would ‘dismantling the nuclear family’ help the black community?! It wouldn’t!! I cannot believe that including this in its mission statement was brought by someone who had GOOD intentions, I just can’t. Fatherless homes are what cause much of the cycles of crime in all neighbourhoods!! They obviously wanted to see more hardships come their way! Also, a recent guardian article reveals that the FBI literally paid a criminal to cause havoc during the BLM protests. Ofc this was to likely cause more damage and chaos,As a European I found this absolutely disgraceful that those in law enforcement would even think to do this but now I realise how effed up America really is. This seriously boils my blood and I feel bad Americans have such snakes in their own FE.DS from within!
How so?
Politicians are also obsessed with supporting what looks and sounds good rather than what actually is good..but they have private security I noticed on the news here in NY, they would interview Black medical workers about the protests and would cut them off when they spoke against the extreme protests and cutting police. They see the end result in the emergency room of violent crime and know better than to defund police. They also didn’t report on all the NYPD who ended up in the hospital because they were not peaceful protests in a city with a lot of minority officers, there actually may be more minorities in the NYPD. The result of all that, is a lot of experienced officers handed in retirement papers en masse (including my friends in their mid 40s-50 years old) which wasn’t the original plan; and that’s never good to lose those with experience
the real question is why are people so vulnerable to these sorts of divisive narratives that seem like they're straight out of "1984"
Whether it was a bad idea depends on the goal. Maybe the "bad outcomes" were intended, in which case it was a brilliant idea.
It actually depends on the outcome...what's the use of intended goal if it results in bad outcomes?
Not maybe
@@manofculture584 "Bad" outcome depends on your perspective. These outcomes provide a good crisis to hammer through legislation that wouldn't normally pass. They also provide a conveniently gutted police that can be filled with new members, less loyal to the community and more willing to carry out controversial orders.
If you can’t work out a reason for something, the consequences are the reason.
@@ReturnOfHeresy which is a bad outcome even for those who are causing it. They just don’t know it yet.
“The distance between our words and our deeds has never been greater.” So much this.
I saw another one with another white man he's lying on the floor and the cop is barking confusing orders at him and making him get up, put his hands up then down all sorts of things. In the end, the person got so afraid he just couldn't understand and he got shot several times from a trigger-happy cop 😢
Not long after Floyd a 17 years old white kid was shot by a cop who walked up on him while his truck was broke down and he was fixing it. Didn't even make the news.
Daniel Shaver. That's by far, in my opinion, the worst use of force abuse of any of them. Without exception. Essentially nothing happened to the cop that killed Daniel Shaver. Shaver's family, after years of lawsuits, I think got a few thousand dollars in compensation. Maybe not even that. There was certainly zero outcry or public protest, no demands for anyone to "say his nane" for a guy who died crying face down in his underwear, trying to figure out how to comply with the orders being shouted at him. And because Shaver was white, he's anonymous and forgotten, not even a statistic, because who's counting how many white guys are shot by cops?
Coleman is very insightful and wise
The other major problem with the presentation is the lack of statistical context. The plural of anecdote is not data. But, that is exactly what the amplification of incidents becomes in people's minds.
I was ready to disagree with anger…. But I agree with everything said
Thanks to these 2 thoughtful young men for this talk. The little six y.o. black boy who is, this minute, hopeful, full of innocence and enthusiasm. Is he hungry, cared for, being well educated? Does he know he is valued? Loved? Disciplined by a mum and a dad? Or ten years from now is he toting a gun, peddling stolen sh$t and getting stoned. Could Geo. F. have been a better human in a different society? We need to pull the poor kids up onto stable ground. Books, nutritious food, musical instruments, field trips. Focus on the kids, all of whom are full of promise and potential, vim and vigor.
Love my boy Coleman, the man!
“Defund Bias Mainstream Media”
Don’t watch it
One effect of the whole defunding movement and the incessant policing of the police that came from 2020 that I still havent heard spoken about enough is the damage to the moral of the officers in these areas. I spoke to a few different officer friends during that period...from KC, Detroit, and Flint....and I can tell you...these guys were officers for 20+ years...no longer had any interest in policing...were just going to work to collect a paycheck and do as little as possible. As little as possible without getting fired. This lack of pride in your job is just not something you typically see in this line of work. These people suit up every day knowing they may have to take a bullet for our safety. It has been insane to me to see the lack of respect and quite frankly the fact it even became a movement gives me very little hope for our country in the future. Glad this topic still being discussed and looked back on and all...but I unfortunately don't see it making a difference.
Just "showing up to collect a paycheck" is exactly what I'd expect from a nonproducing government employee. They let a few crazies completely derail any dedication to their job, and then wonder why people lose respect for them.
@@strayedarticle2838 For one particular officer...he watched as one of his co-workers was put on leave without pay (fired in other words) for defending his own life during the line of duty in a cut and dry case of self defense in which a person shot at the police first. So we arent talking about a "few crazies" here. These movements have created pressures on officers from above that run much deeper than social media as you clearly think. As a former in house contractor for the federal government...i don't disagree at all with your outlook on government employees AT ALL...I seen it every day with my own two eyes. But if you actually believe that type of thing goes on in urban police departments like the ones I mentioned...you have lost your damn mind. These people are the exact opposite of those types of employees. They are working under a microscope now more than ever....to have anything other than the utmost respect for what these people do is one of the most egregious and ungreatful acts of disrespect I've seen. I've personally been a victim of harassment from a small town police department. I am by no means saying every one of them deserve some sort of immunity of any kind...or that there arent some bad apples. Just the mentality of a person that would want to do that sort of job is going to bring out a couple bad apples. This is why the pre employment psyc testing they do in most of these urban departments is so intensive. This situation really is full of nuance and for people to just say things like defund the police...it just shows the level of intelligence of these people with the loudest voices.
The answer was never to defund the police but rather to fund alternatives. Free drug rehab, teams of people trained to reach out to EDPs, youth employment programs etc. These are the things that actually reduce crime in the long run, but you can have all those things and have a police force as well.
Actually we could have both, but that would require a restructuring of priorities most politicians are unwilling to make. This country's military spending exceeds that of China, Russia, India, Saudi Arabia, UK, France, Germany, Japan, South Korea, and Ukraine COMBINED (With no enemies on it borders and protected by the Pacific and Atlantic Oceans). We could repair our infrastructure and provide services to the homeless/mentally ill populations, but we would rather send money to corrupt faux democracies like Ukraine.
@@daeuri Why can't we support Ukraine and fix things at home?
@@jimbo1637At this juncture Ukraine is a lost cause. We're just throwing good money after bad. Financed by debt if course. Even the parts of Ukraine that stay in Ukrainian control will essentially belong to Blackrock anyway.
@@jimbo1637 You mean like walk and chew gum? At the same time?!?
@@daeuri Seems better to not support the imperialistic aggression of total anti-democracies like Russia?
Well said
0:00 🗣 Media narratives shaped perceptions of racial incidents in 2020, leading to misguided responses. 1:18 🔍 Media bias contributed to the perception that police brutality only affected Black Americans. 2:38 ⚠ Policies implemented in response to George Floyd's death disproportionately harmed Black communities. 3:37 🔊 Despite the "defund the police" movement, 80% of Black Americans wanted the same or more police presence in their neighborhoods. 4:01 📈 2020 saw the greatest increase in homicides in the past century, largely due to anti-police sentiment. 5:23 🛡 Some advocating for defunding the police also prioritize personal security, showcasing irony. 6:08 🤔 Raging without considering evidence can lead to policies that harm the intended beneficiaries. 8:02 🌐 Social media fosters the prioritization of appearance over action, hindering real progress. 9:00 📢 Speaking out against misguided policies, even if unpopular, is crucial for preventing harm to communities. 10:10 🔍 The impact of George Floyd's death was amplified by the COVID-19 pandemic's circumstances. 11:15 🏥 Elite institutions showed inconsistency in applying principles, eroding public trust.
The wrong question was asked. It’s not about wanting fewer police…people wanted BETTER police.
Better police means more funding.
@@Patson20 Better police means more training, education and more rigorous screening
@armonjohnson ......so who's gonna go through all that just to consistently put themselves in harms way and be daily verbally abused and exposed to extremely traumatic events for 45k a year in most places? Standard police academy is already an associates degree equivalent and requires a set amount of continual learning hours per year to maintain certification, so you're expecting them to hold a bachelor's degree, but in a job where they work double the hours of a teacher, in infinitely more danger and worse conditions. But for slightly more pay than a teacher. If that's the case then you've still got the same problem, you're only attracting and retaining people that want the job for the power. In my state, one of the "backwards" to get hired you have to pass a psych evaluation, and depending on the agency a civil service test. Then you complete the academy which is about 5 months of classes 10 hours a day 5 days a week to the equivalent of an associates degree. You then have to complete 16 hours a year of continual learning to maintain your certification, that's on top of your annual weapons qualifications, your taser recertification, spray recertification, department training and meetings, and working 48-60 hours a week often on a rotating day and night schedule. Most people just hear the meme of "police have less training than a barber" and run with it without realizing how much actual training, continuing training, recertification, and work hours there are to it. Even as it stands right now there's not much time left for life let alone a family. And all of this on top of trying to find the time to decompress and deal with the PTSD you got from seeing fucked up shit today. The biggest contributing factor to police brutality isn't training, it's stress. Imagine you worked 50 hours of days last week, last day you worked you had a child abuse case where the dad gave the kid and the mom a black eye. You take him to jail and the next day you see him walking down the street with them. Four days pass and now you're working nights, day one you've got a multi vehicle crash with one fatality, blood all over the road and a baby had to get airlifted, an hour later you've got a guy that's been stabbed, you find the guy who did it holed up in a bathroom, you have to breach and take him not knowing he's armed or not but you take him unharmed after a struggle. After 2 hours of paperwork and booking you get a call about a bunch of kids blaring music at 1am you tell em to leave they call you a bunch of names and leave. Day two, you slept 6 hours between getting home showering eating a meal and finally getting to sleep. First call is a schizophrenic that's taken off his pants in a McDonalds and grabbed a female employees breast while touching himself. You get there and he fights, but you get him in the car. Local hospital won't take him but the one next county over will and you've gotta take him. So you spend the next hour driving this dude there as he's screams curses and fails around the back of the car while calling you everything under the sun and talking about how he's gonna SA your mother/wife/daughter. So you drop him off and head back hoping to have a calm night after that. But nope, it's another domestic, the same guy from last week, and this time the kid needs to go to the hospital for a fractered skull from a punch. Even the most well adjusted and trained person is gonna struggle to not go all out on that guy if he resists at all in that situation after that day.
It's not about ending slavery, it's about better slave owners!
@@Patson20the problem now is that crime has gotten so bad in the blue cities that people have moved out. I don’t think they have the tax base anymore to property fund the police departments
Tak!
My husband is White and the same thing happened to him. He was walking down the street when 6 cops came up on him and threw him to the ground with knee on the back for several minutes. They were chasing a suspect and thought it was him. When they realized they had the wrong guy, they released him and moved on. Only one apologized.
Sometimes something seems like a good idea at the time. This one seemed like a ludicrous idea at the time, and it still does. It’s really scary that such lunacy can be taken seriously. Even scarier that it was implemented.
It's very clear to any thinking person that defunding police would more likely lead to worse policing outcomes. BUT it makes sense if you're a communist or socialist who believes in the value theory of labor. It's not a direct connection but eventually what that leads to is the idea that money is not a medium of exchange but a symbol of moral, social, political, etc. value. Therefore, defunding police isn't so much about fixing bad policing but punishing cops for the social evil they supposedly inflict on society (i.e. indiscriminately murdering black people).
You do't seem to know much about this issue at all
Absolute word salad here. Look into what defunding the police actually means in terms of reallocating funding to alternative services that reduce offending in the long-term and increase quality of life within communities
Thank you
I was always a liberal but after 2020 I’d NEVER vote dem/liberal ever again. Completely turned off by how insane they view the world
Props to you
Because they aren't liberals or democrats anymore, they are cultural marxists.
Good on you.
I lived in Baltimore in a majority black area. The only people complaining about the extra patrolling were the dealers that had to move to the next neighborhood. They came right back when the patrolling moved.
How many dealers are we talking about here?
@strayedarticle2838 , I only saw a couple on my corner, and the one that tried to get in my car one day. Oh, and the several that had a running gun battle one afternoon. Although, two or three of them wouldn't have been complaining any longer. And the guy that got busted in the alley behind my house.
11:24 and that’s when I knew 100% I was being played with.
💯 We can never forget!
As a young white man, I suffered to the point of death from excessive force and being dragged to court over false charges that ruined my whole life right after I graduated college in 2019. Pandemic hit and shut it down until 2021 and I had to take my case to trial with the public defender for an easy victory to prove the cops were lying about “me running them over on my property” when they had no right to be there on my security cameras in the first place just because the neighbor knew the chief and didn’t like my car lights shining toward him based on the way the street grid is laid out with one road and 12 houses on each side crammed in with each other. Police brutality is not a black man’s problem but a wider threat to society’s collective and individual survival especially when the courts reward evil behaviors and actors like we have been seeing refusing to prosecute them. I WILL NEVER SPEAK TO A COP EVER AGAIN EVEN IF I SEE A CRIME HAPPENING IN FRONT OF ME UNLESS I HAVE MY OWN AUDIO AND VIDEO BECAUSE THEIR LIES ALMOST RUINED MY LIFE. Pennsylvania State Police being another case with my own elderly father accusing him of theft and trespassing without proof of any kind except an accusation and still roughed him up and cuffed him only to then have the judge and jury outright dismiss it before trial. This is not an imaginary or political problem is a basic human decency problem that needs to be dealt with otherwise we are going to keep seeing hatred and violence of all kinds to others especially those in power.
My theory is that a big part of the reason Americans seem to have more problems with their police using force more frequently is that Americans often don't like to do what they are told ("Dont move" & they move. "Show me your hands" & they try to argue and reach for something instead.) It's not necessarily a bad thing to value your independence and autonomy in general, but when dealing with the cops when you act belligerent and don't follow instructions you're much more likely to get force used against you. It's down to Police training and being perceived as a threat. Just cooperate and be polite and if you feel they overstepped the mark you'll still be alive and well and you can follow it up later.
@@realsatoshihashimoto Our cops just have poor training period and are never psychologically evaluated before they are put in the street to make sure they don’t have any anger management problems or anything and even if they do there’s no penalty against them because of the blue wall of silence.
I was never for defunding but reallocation of resources towards mental health assistance and not so much leading tanks like our local pd bought
That's the story I was presented. "Defunding" was a seriously bad thing to call that. Why does it persist?
@@PerryWagle I think that since local pd were mandatory-given federal money to spend on equipment (to keep the war-machine profitable), they ran out of stuff to buy. Our pd bought a literal armored personnel carrier. For what? Who knows. We all call it a tank. It's federal money. Meanwhile our town can't get resources for vets, homeless, etc. It's because of federal money and profits. I believe the whole 'defund' thing is made to obscure the original message. ob
@@PerryWagle there are people that were for defunding and outright abolishment of some units that began to walk the position back and pretend it was simply about "reallocation". I refuse to fall for this gaslighting
@@manofculture584 All I heard, right from the beginning, was "reallocation" (while citing places with great results doing just that). But I can see why people would be aghast (as was I) at the phrase "defund the police", which conveyed that "reallocation" meaning not one whit. On the other hand, I can fathom people over-reacting to stories of police getting away with murder, and wanting to be rid of the whole mess. I've been upset since 1983, just not over-reacting. Are you sure you heard that first-hand?
Didnt ilhan omar call the police rotten to the core and say it needed completely dismantled? Pretty sure that was the position of most activists too.
Yet he'll vote for the very politicians that will enact those policies.
100% saw this coming.
If someone apparently chooses counterproductive means, you may need to reconsider what their intended ends actually are.
The emotions might've been fueled by the pandemic but so many people get emotional and lose critical thinking and reasoning. They definitely shouldn't be the people making the decisions on behalf of everyone.
how about "re-educate the police" ,"re-purpose the police", and "train the police". Heck, if that's the intended implementation the slogan should have been "Fund the police", that would have made much more sense
I like this guy. What he said fits nicely into my world view. But when I quoted him saying that the real number of deaths per year is 12 someone pointed me to a source that showed the number was over 200. Does anyone have a link or an explanation?
Ok, can you share the source that claims it’s 200?
@@cdcd4502 ah yeah, I looked it up. Coleman says 12 *unarmed* black people are killed, so the 200+ were armed. Subtle but important difference.
@@geoffreyrodgers5373 ok. The 200 number doesn’t sound right though. Usually every year cops kill about 1000. Out of those around 50 are unarmed. And out of those 50 around 10 or so are usually black.
I was one of those who couldn’t stay quiet and called it all stupid. I only have a few friends from before most won’t speak to me to this day even though they KNOW how stupid it was now. I am not a fan of people anymore.
When I first started hearing the term "Defund the Police", I actually Googled what it meant. Not because I didn't know what "defund" meant, but because it was such an obviously stupid slogan/idea, that I assumed it must mean something I wasn't aware of.
The slogan did its work, and the police now know it's not an impossibility with politicians of the day. In fact, it may be in some places, the catalyst for police accountability becoming the norm. Btw I'm wondering what community Coleman was referring to in this clip.
What about accountability from the black community for their collective behavior?
Except for Chauvin who murdered George Floyd, not much has changed. Hree in MINNEAPOLIS, police were NOT "de-funded" they got $180 MILLION-a bit MORE than the year before Floyd. In 2023, police all got $10,000 BONUS PAY to stay. NEW cops get "incentives" of $5,000 t $7,000. The ONLY reform we got in MINNEAPOLIS was creation of a Mental Health Crisis Response Team and POLICE WANTED THAT. Cops don't have the training to deal with mentally il people--MOST of whom are NOT violent
It was chosen deliberately, because it was stupid and not on point.
Thanks for talking about this. I’ve lost some friends and followers because I insisted defund the police was a bad idea and there would be consequences. But a lot of them they came back around lol.
Coleman is fantastic. I’m sure we can be expecting a smear piece soon.
And sadly you will never hear a word of apology for the harm that resulted from knee jerk policy changes, riots, the carnage that came with "ptotests" etc etc
The irony is hard to believe
Thanks for stating the obvious
Increase police training and the level of accountability. As a non-American it was despair inducing watching social justice extremists destroy their own communities propagated by rage culture.
We've tried that. It doesn't work. Only defunding works.
@@squatch545 well if better training your police doesn’t work and increasing oversight fails to see results then I’m sorry but you’re screwed. The USA is a huge country and there will always be departments that’re doing it well and those that aren’t. Defunding an integral part of your society will only make things worse. Quite frankly you’re antigovernment.
@@mushiim8 Yes, I'm anti-authority. So? That makes you an authoritarian.
Please bring Jacob Collier, that would be a fucking brilliant conversation
I second this! Itd be very interesting as hes extremely philosophical although he communicates and expresses himself through music. Hes an amazing guy
@@connor.chan.jazzman hell yeah
How about the De-militarization of the police?
I have a friend who thought this was a good thing to defund the police I said that it was ludicrous, were I live because its a wealthy neighborhood, we voted to have more police and security for our schools and residents. While all of the community around us defunded their police force. She still doesn’t see the irony, my grandmother use to say, you can lead a horse to water but you can’t make him drink, I never really understood this comment until years later, when everyone was saying defund the police commonsense who beg to differ. I remember we discussed the situation in length until I finally was nauseated with her rhetoric! She still hasn’t figured it out, crime is in her neighborhood and she still doesn’t see it. She poo poos it, it better for her to believe the lies then to admit she was fooled. It’s going to take even longer before people can trust and respect the black community again, which is really sad.
For anyone into nationalism: Defund is the same sentiment as persecution of (“our”) ethnicity in other nation, thus action is required. Problem is America’s, unlike the the rest of the world, ethnicities were always everywhere. Germans, French and Mauritanians, etc are clearly separated and distinct because of natural borders (usually water or mountains) but America’s always been mixed. So State borders aren’t associated with race. If they were local nationalism (State Nationalism, like Texas) would be easier to push. There aren’t such boundaries, it’s always been everywhere, so instead of Texas going to war with New York they get to actually talk about policy. It’s falling apart because people aren’t respecting the state boundaries either and want to use federal to claim the whole land (kinda like what white people did) but they can’t openly say that (because Ol’dolf already incarnated that misinterpretation) so the enacted policies (and how well they work) speak for themselves. Defund the apparatus persecuting “our” people is at state level a radical reprioritization and at federal level a claim to the land. It’s stew-pit because it’s equivalent to throwing money at a problem without making sure it’s being spent the right way (like homelessness). “Gangs/Mafias” competing for protection money which would then become private security firms would be better, but BLM doing that would be an awkward lean into capitalism.
Do we even need a video for this?? 😂😂😂
Summer 2020. When my political views started to shift.
Out with the old, in with the new.
The problem is the same idiots that called for defunding the police are still idiots.
0:30 Wow at no time did I ever think I was a piece of shit for something I didn’t do
If only we had someone/anyone/just one person who could have foreseen these consequences 🫤
Step 1. create a system that strips you of the right to defend yourself and your property step 2. introduce a "pay to play" system for protecting citizens thru their taxes. The more you pay the more 'secure' you feel. step 3. profit. The irony is that by defunding the police it actually makes them more efficient at doing their jobs instead of acting as a standing army for politicians. it forces them to put resources into areas where they are needed, not driving around aimlessly looking for some tax payer to harass or sending 30 cops to a guy's house for a mean tweet. Americans have the 2nd amendment; you can defend yourselves and property
I've never seen that moustache style before
Being stupid can be deadly.....that simple.
It was hilarious to watch the Scottish government condemn a football riot in George Square in Glasgow as a "COVID hazard" but literally weeks later condone a Free Palestine demonstration despite the fact that it happened in the same place and likely had just as many people in attendance.
proper training is what’s needed. these police departments don’t need bigger budgets, they don’t need internal investigation, they don’t need to be defunded. they need proper TRAINING
Training costs more money because you have to cover shifts while officers are in training. I’d argue they need bigger budgets for this reason
instead of defunding, the right call would have been intensify internal police investigations and ensure accountability of abusive cops
They knew how it would turn out when they dit it
Equally troubling is that police-bashing apparently made it more difficult to attract quality recruits.
It was a common complaint, that Police take too long to respond in black neighborhoods, if they showed up at all. How would we go from that to defunding the police.
I definitely knew nothing about that similar situation with a white man.
Congrats on 2M subscribers, Chris!
We need to hold the problematic culture accountable. What our poor cops go through on a daily basis is horrific.
2:50 The same thing happened in South Africa when Apartheid ended. Black elites were appointed to directorship after directorship while the poor unemployed blacks got poorer. It's a class struggle, not a race struggle.
Labeling a gathering a "super spreader event" at the time always had to do with the ascribed morals of those gathered rather than virology. BLM protests were considered morally just and therefore not possibly socially and and thus not medically irresponsible. But people partying in the streets with no higher purpose were both socially and medically irresponsible whereas those holding a social justice protest the same day in the same city was totally ok.
My take on defunding the police is analogous to city simulator games. When you want to switch from coal power to, say, nuclear power, you save up, you build the nuclear plant and then get rid of the coal. You DO NOT get rid of the coal first because then you have no power until the nuclear plant is up. You get blackouts and massive problems. Dumb, right? In the same way, you don't cut back the police force until AFTER you're sure that crime is going to go down and stay down via a happier, wealthier, less desperate society. Once your society is so chill the police have nothing to do for a long time, THEN consider letting a few cops go and trimming back the budget. NOT THE OTHER WAY AROUND. And that's if you feel the need to trim the budget AT ALL, given your new, hypothetically wealthier society that can now AFFORD all those police in the first place! The order of operations MATTERS!