2024 Toyota Land Cruiser - Why the HATERS are (Mostly) Wrong.
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Toyota just unveiled the all new 2024 Toyota Land Cruiser, and somewhat surprisingly (to me), a lot of Land Cruiser enthusiasts have met this new Land Cruiser with a healthy dose of skepticism and, in some cases, straight up hate.
But why?? Well, in this video I talk about the most common complaints I've seen and why I believe most of them are pretty overblown.
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Toyota stopped making Land Cruiser in the US market because it was too expensive and no one bought them. Of course, they don't want to go down that road again. I am happy they change the strategy and brought down the price and made it more affordable for everyone.
They didn’t want to sell the global base model Land Cruisers which started at around $60k USD. They didn’t bring those to the US. Instead they brought over the global top of line Land Cruiser as America’s only land cruiser, which started at almost $100k USD. That’s why it failed. This new LC we’re getting is actually the global Land Cruiser Prado that’s going to start at around $55k USD, but because we’re not getting the LC300, they’ve decided to call it just the Land Cruiser for the US. They even call the prado as just the Land Cruiser in the UK and other markets I believe.
What are you talking about? Every single Land Cruiser they brought into the US was sold, every single year!
@@jaime4022 lmao. Show the stats
When did 55k become affordable? Should have just gave us a stripped down 300 series for around 60k but they won't because they'd have to get rid of the sequoia which is going to die anyway
@@Richard-xv7yf You should have bought 150k hummer EV instead and waste 50k on battery replacement every 5 years.
As someone who grew up with in Australia with all three LandCruiser model’s - Prado, 70 series, 80 series and have owned both an FJ40 and 100 series I’m happy we are finally getting an affordable LandCruiser here in the US that is not a mall cruiser. The old Prado was a very capable Off Roader and I think the new 250 series looks great I also like the fact there is no third row to deal with. I’ve been on the fence about which vehicle to get for my next overland vehicle. Just found it!!!
Totally agree. The only thing I need to figure out now is whether to go LC250 or GX550. I like that the LC is cheaper and I like the idea of 27MPG, potentially great range , and a big, built in inverter. On the other hand, the GX has E-KDSS and a much better looking cargo area (no battery in the back). Decisions, decisions...
@@WheretoNextOverland I agree the New GX 550 with V6 Turbo definitely is also a contender. I like the front end a-lot better than that old Lexus grill
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@@David-bv6xz Keep thy religion to thy self.
You are on the wrong train dude. We be Land Cruiser fans not fans of who you worship.
You are so right about this new powertrain. Also I share the unpopular opinion that a vehicle like this should be as small as possible but as large as necessary to be a work horse. Otherwise we should drive 18 wheelers. This LC is smaller but it looks like it maximizes space, payload, and towing for its size.
I totally agree on the size thing. Big enough to carry enough stuff (Bronco and Wrangler are a bit too small for my needs) but small enough to still fit on tight trails.
It doesn't maximize it. If it would maximize it it would have the twin-turbo V6 for 8,000 lbs payload and more cargo space, the vehicle you are describing is the Land Cruiser 70, there's a reason it's still so incredibly popular, people off-road their 80 series, not their 200 series ans the 70 series is even better than the 80 series for off-roading.
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Some of us actually would like to drive 18 wheelers lol
it's still big
This is what the Land Cruiser should have been all along. But it seriously needs that 4L V-6, not a turbohybrid. Ease of repair matters, Toyota.
The reason the LC 250 is hated is because the spare wheel should’ve been on the back in order to fit in a long range fuel tank.
The long-range fuel tank might be a moot point with the range the hybrid powertrain offers. Although, in other parts of the world that get different engine options, I can totally see that!
Totally agree with the split folding tailgate. Don't even understand why Toyota and (LR for that matter) are not doing those anymore. It's freaking amazing.
I've been driving Cruiser's for 25 years and have owned a dozen or more, and this is the same thing I have heard everytime a new Cruiser comes out!:) I remember when I got my first 80 series in the mid 90's, I was laughed at by the Cruiser community, it's too big, it's too bloated, it's not a real Cruiser etc... Bought a new 100 in 98, once again, not a real Cruiser, doesn't have a I6, no solid axle, way too big etc.. Grabbed a 200 in 2013 and once again, same stuff, just a bloated V8 Highlander, not a real Cruiser etc.. Guess it's just what Cruiserheads do? Funny thing is years from now when the next Gen LC comes out these same people will be posting about how the LC250 is the "last of the real Cruisers" LMAO... Great video and agree with most of what ya said and I will proly grab one and add it to my fleet! -Ken
I agree 100%. The Land Cruiser community will no doubt embrace the LC250 and champion it for decades to come ..... but it'll take a little while before some of them become receptive. It is the way of things. Lol
@@WheretoNextOverland Couple things I was quick to think of that you touched on also, range being the first one, if they keep the tank in the mid 20's and it get even twice the gas mileage(or more) on that trail that my 100 & 200 get that is a ton of range! On the Rubicon we have to get jerry cans of gas on the back bumper for the ever so thirsty LC's, the first time we did it we split up the 8 or 9 gallons(we had in 2 jerry cans) amongst 4 LC's just to get them all off the trail:) The other point about the front locker, the only thing I could think of is Toyota may be concerned about the fact that you can't really steer much while the front locker is engaged, just a thought I had with company's being so concerned about lawsuits etc... The other concern they would maybe list is just more warranty issues, if it's engaged more likely to break something potentially etc... Likely Toyota would say rear locker and ATRAC working in the front allows you to steer and get good traction. Now for the tough trails there is no substitute for front and rear lockers, must have IMO, and I would make the argument to Toyota if used correctly you likely will break less with a front locker as you will have less wheel spin and more control etc.. Fingers crossed they give us an "Trail Version" with 35's and Triple locked, hey a guy can hope right:)
A trail version with 35s and triple locked would, indeed, be the dream! And yeah, I think that an extended offroad range of 350++ miles is perhaps the biggest benefit of that 4cyl hybrid powertrain (at least for people like us who venture far away from gas stations)
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Well Said!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
They should offer the tdi diesel in us version. Hybrid is great but a simple diesel, more cargo room would be my choice. I currently drive a VW Touareg tdi that get real 27-34 mpg and 700-800 mile range. Love the look on new LC including cloth seats.
Toyota should remake the 80 series body with modern guts(V8 engine,modern interior,more safety features, keep solid axles, keep things simple and mechanical). Jeep just came out with a Rubicon V8 and me thinking why can’t Toyota? That beast will smoke any modern Toyota off road.
Haha, yeah .... sometimes it's hard to watch the cool stuff Jeep and Ford (for example) bring to the US.
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I agree. The 100 series is slept on, but it’s an incredible blend of everything that has been over the generations. It’s got just enough luxury, and the amazing v8. I also agree though, that as long as it’s reliable and good, the new Land Cruiser is already looking to be the best. Love that it’s smaller again and love the standard off road tech, as well as the better mpg and way cheaper price. Also people saying it’s not as overbuilt are just being ignorant. Honestly the only thing that’s missing is those cool flip sideways 3rd row seats.
Agree with all of that .... and i'm calling it now .... the same people hating on the LC250 now will be championing its greatness in 10 years
@@WheretoNextOverlandespecially when gas cars get banned from sale in 10 years thanks to those laws that got signed…
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I have owned 2 Toyota hybrids. They have a very low cost of ownership until you reach 150k. After that every repair is in the ball park of couple thousand dollars. So, I do not think it is wise to have a turbo engine and a hybrid system in a LC.
Interesting! Are those repairs you mention all tied to the hybrid system? I'm curious what fails on those other than the battery itself?
the hybrid battery definitely is completely contrary to everything the Land Cruiser stands for, a 25 year service life
turbos don't degrade over time, batteries do
Oh boy, what did I do to invite you to comment on something that apparently does not concern you? What Allah and Muhammad have to do with the LC? I do not get it. I have Mormons coming on my door and preaching how great God is. Now. a stranger on KZhead tells me how great Allah is. Are you kidding me?
Let’s not forget that the 5.7l v8 isn’t macitence free. High mileage lc200’s are very expensive to maintain as well. In fact all high mileage land cruisers are expensive to maintain. Most repairs will cost several thousand, it’s a Land Cruiser thing.
There are a few missed tidbits here. First is this LC has a full floating rear axle (like the 200 had) which is an absolute for an overlander. Tacoma, 4Runner, FJ cruiser, Wrangler, and other quarter ton platforms have never had this. Some competitors will also offer it this year though. Second, the most prone failure point of an overland vehicle in water, mud, sand and dust is the alternator. Land Cruisers are known for alternator failures. Hybrids don't have alternators! Also the hybrid system is internal so it is quite resistant to the elements. It could also eliminate secondary battery systems.
These are all REALLY good additions. Thank you for sharing! I had intended to mention the 2400(?) watt inverter as another benefit of the hybrid powertrain but totally spaced while recording the video. I think that's a pretty good deal! Also, I didn't realize the rear axle is full float!
A full floating rear axle would be quite impressive. No US market Toyota 4WD has had one since the FZJ80 I believe. Maybe early 100 series. How were you able to determine this?
@@Johnsky-rd7ci I've seen it mentioned twice. Once in reference to the Tacoma Trail Hunter and once it was mentioned by Kurt Williams when talking about the new LC250. He mentions it has the same axle as the Trail Hunter which is actually larger and stronger than the 200 series axle. Now I fully expect it's like my Ford axle and is what they call a 3/4 floating axle because the wheel needs to be removed to pull the axle, as there is no huge protruding center area. Modern wheel design does not allow for this.
The reason the alternator on the alternator fails is because Toyota put it at the bottom of the motor where water frequents, that’s not engineered for off road, the Jeep puts the alternator at the top of the motor away from the water.
@@vincefairleigh6899 yes but all the new hybrids (4xe, Land Cruiser, Tacoma, F-150 Powerboost, etc) put the "alternator/generator" system inside the transmission, so problem solved! No water, no mud, no dust, no belts, no pulley to fail. Just a well lubricated generator system.
You sold me. I was debating (with myself) the merit of this powertrain, and potential issues. But really, I don't typically keep a car more than 5 years. The gas savings offsets any battery replacement concerns. Truthfully, I mainly like the looks .
People constantly complain that vehicles don’t have all the features they want, and then they get all the features and they complain that the price is too high. And when the manufacturers offer more basic and strip down models to lower the price, they complain that they don’t have all the features.
This is the way - Car Enthusiasts (I'm guilty of this too if I'm honest)
300+HP / 400+ lb-ft @ 27mpg sounds pretty freakin' sweet to me... gas is expensive as hell and it ain't gettin' any cheaper, and if you need more power than this, I honestly don't know what you're using this vehicle for
Lol that’s so funny, I was thinking the same thing, why insist on a v8 when Gas is ridiculous expensive
Great vid Jeff! Agreed on all fronts. We will mourn the split tailgate in unison though. Are you guys planning to get one? Or maybe the new GX?
Hey, thanks! Yeah, the LC250 and the GX550 are on our short list. But I kinda want to see what the aftermarket does with them before we pull the trigger.
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Thank you ! In the past 23 years, I have owned 4 Land Cruiser Prado 90 120 150 series with turbo charged d4d engines. All badged Land Cruiser by Toyota Europe. All reliable All super efficient on trails -- Just add a 2.5 inch lift and BFG AT All far more fuel efficient than big bro 100 200 series And never ever had an offroading issue with IFS Love Kdss on the 150 So a lot of good times with the LC Prado aka Land Cruiser and still going! That new J250 Land Cruiser is à very good move from Toyota Thanks again ! I can only agree with 100% of what you say. 👍 Cheers from France🎉
Thank you! You've definitely got a ton of experience with Prados, so your take is great to hear
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Enthusiasts both in the USA and Australia tend to forget that the New 2024 Land Cruisers are Designed by Japanese Engineers ( without any input from the North American Toyota Design Engineers in San Antonio in Texas ) they are designed by these Japanese Engineers primarily for the Rest of the World Markets and not exclusively for the North American Customers and they are Built in the Yoshiwara Factory in Aichi south of the City of Nagoya where Land Cruisers have been built since the 1960's
Great video! I had another thought, we own a Lexus GX 460 and are not the overlanders that your fan base is; but, we love what it can do. What we need is better fuel economy, comparable towing specs, some off road chops and 5 seats not seven so we can carry our gear. So I think the new Land Cruiser will be excellentt and I think it might substantially expand the market for Land Cruuiser in North America. This would spur on afted market companies. I just hope I can get one in Canada.
Thank you, and I think you're spot on with that take
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You don't need a front locker when you have Toyota's proven ATRAC system. Also, with regards to the powertrain, AISIN makes the wet clutches, Denso makes the electric engine, and Panasonic makes the batteries, so this is going to be a reputable hybrid system made by quality companies. The only failing the new Land Cruiser has is that it only has front disconnecting sway bars, and not rear disconnecting sway bars. If you want both, you have to step up to the all0-new Lexus GX550 Overtrail. But other then that, the new LC is a solid package.
Good info, especially about who is making what. Hopefully that bodes well for long-term durability. Regarding ATRAC, I do think it's a great system. My 2000 LX470 has it (first year Toyota introduced it in a vehicle??) and it works well. I don't have a front or rear locker and ATRAC definitely helps make up for that. I do believe that, on extreme terrain, a front locker is still a far superior option vs a traction control system though. Much easier to be smooth, slow and steady with a locker .... versus ATRAC that is much more of a "blunt" instrument. Ultimately, I'm just a bit disappointed sitting here watching just about every new domestic truck / SUV that's off-road focused get front lockers .... and Toyota just flatly refuses.
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Last chance to buy the iconic 4Runner ,with the bullet proof v6 engine and last of the up and down glass on the rear window
That's true! If you want old school simplicity, buying a 2024 4Runner would be a wise move
@@WheretoNextOverland Im not sure youll see a 2024 4runner
In Australia we are getting the 2.8 diesel 4 pot with a 48 volt 'hybrid' add on, not sure how good that will be in terms of fuel savings... looks like we will still get a 7 seat version... not sure about long range fuel tanks? current model has 150 litre fuel tank which was achieved by putting the spare wheel on the tailgate. With the new lift up tailgate we loose the long range fuel tanks which is not good for Australian conditions with very very long distances in remote areas.
I think you are very spot on with your comments and opinions. I thinks it's very cool to have a less expensive LC option.
i heard the 2024 land cruiser in Canada (North America) only takes premium gas, can i put regular gas in ?
I’ll be buying one! Tailgate is my 1 and only complaint.
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i am actually pretty stoked for it!!! great video man!! i agree with you on everything! i do think its going to be a killer over lander. i am curious with the great MPGS with 35s how it will fair? stoked for it!! with the hybrid Toyota is putting it in pretty much all there rigs so it has to be good right? i mean its Toyota!!!!
Agreed. I can't imagine Toyota would put that hybrid in Land Crusiers, Tacomas and (probably soon) the 4 Runner if they weren't super confident in it. Unreliable engines in those vehicles would destroy their reputation!
Not questioning why, but how did you calculate the 40k in savings based on the scenario you’ve given? Informative video nonetheless.
Total miles (150,000) ÷ MPG (27) = 5,555 gallons of gas. 5,555 × $6 / gallon = $33,300 in total fuel costs of a vehicle at 27MPG and $6 gallon gas. Swap out the MPG figure for my 100 Series (12MPG) and you get $75,000 in total fuel costs over the same mileage. $75,000 - $33,300 = $41,700 in theoretical gas savings. 🤓
Hmm that’s embarrassing. Simple math and somehow I arrived at a different figure. How did I mess that up. Let’s just say I was distracted with something else
The 5th gen is essentially a Prado as is the GX460, the new Cruiser is a Prado, a newer evolved one. I have owned two FJ60’s, an 80, a hundred, an FJ Cruiser, a Tundra and other Toyota products over my entire adult life. I grew up bouncing around in my father’s FJ40 which went to my older brother. Needles to say I am a Toyota guy but mostly a Land Cruiser guy. I got into overlanding back in the early ‘90’s cutting my teeth on Isuzu Troopers and even did a stint with a Land Rover. We now have a Sportsmobile 7.3 Powerstroke packed with my wife and three kids. We recently got rid of my 80 series that I had built and owned for 20 years. Going through the exercise of what to get for hauling the fam, wife’s daily driver and an acute rig that is smaller and easier to squeeze into places than our van I initially thought this new Cruiser would be it. Two things, well three I suppose made me decide to get a 5th gen 4Runner this fall instead. For a vehicle we want to own, daily drive and use for the next 20 years it was a no brainer as gas turbo engines typically need new turbos by 150k typically, hybrid batteries what, 12-15 years depending on where you live? The 5th gen 4Runner doesn’t even need timing belt changes. So I expect over the long haul the current 4Runner will need less upkeep and repairs. Secondly, the new Cruiser doesn’t get a 3rd row option. Some people really need that, our previous cruisers had the 3rd row out but now we need them. 3rdly, price, the 5th gen is considerably less money than the new cruiser. I love the looks of the 1958, love it. I am sure it will be very capable and the tech better, but that’s what makes the 4Runner so attractive, it has been so perfectly refined and proven, you know it will stand the test of time while the new cruiser is just that, totally new and unproven. I think there is a good chance it will surpass the expectations for reliability and durability but at the end of the day I had to be honest with myself… shiny new, exciting new Cruiser that appeals to my inner Cruiser nerd, or being perfectly practical and boring and getting a new yet 15 year old 4Runner, we did the 4Runner. After all they are both Prado’s, and I appreciate the old school nature of what I think will long be considered the last great Toyota 4wd. As an added bonus I was pleasantly surprised that dealers finally have these sitting in lots and we were able to get a friggen discount off of MSRP which I didn’t think existed anymore. So yeah just some real world decision making thought process.
I think buying a 5th gen 4 Runner was a good move. It really is the last of the old school (simple) Toyota SUVs .... and I agree that, from a longevity standpoint, it'll likely last longer with fewer issues than any of the new stuff
Curious to size. What size does this directly compare to? Looks small in the videos ive watched. Will this be larger than my current FJ cruiser? I love everything about this new cruiser, including the power train. Everyone complaining about "off-road power", it has more torque than outgoing v8's
Bigger than an FJ. The comparison I'm seeing most often (in terms of dimensions) is that it's VERY similar in size to the 80 Series Land Cruiser
Almost the exact same size as the 200 series.
Great video. 2004 LC owner here, 320k. I got a GX460 as a loaner recently and my 100 rides better and was surprised to find this out. I’m not knocking Prado dependability or capability, as I feel it is proven. I also feel everyone who wanted a Prado has been able to get one in the USA for a while. The motors are what confuse me. That twin turbo v6 has started with so many issues in every body it has been put in. Even Toyota says the hybrid 4 is the “dependable” option (!). I would like to know how Toyota has increased dependability on the hybrid drivetrain, as two of the bigger issues historically has been oil consumption and head gaskets. For my usage (ground pounder 30k/yr all conditions around the country) I’m looking to pick up a final year 200 for my next one. Final note: Toyota usually places the battery pack where some of the fuel tank resides, I am curious what the final tank size will be.
As a 100 series owner .... MAN, they ride nice. We're constantly renting / trying other 'offroad' oriented vehicle's (Broncos, Wranglers, Gladiators, Tundra, Tacomas) and none of them come close to riding as nice as the 100. I'm also wondering about the fuel tank size. Wouldn't be at all surprised to see a smaller tank given the battery space /weight. But with the fuel economy Toyota is taking about, maybe it won't matter too much
@@WheretoNextOverland the good news here (I’ve owned over a dozen Toyota hybrids) is that Toyota is usually pretty accurate with on road mpg estimates. And I would imagine off-reloading (except extended climbs when you’ve burned out all your battery power and are just running on motor) should neatly fall into the more optimal hybrid “city” consumption but with extra drag from terrain. 🤞🏼
@@WheretoNextOverlandthe battery is in the cargo area raising the load floor, the fuel tank is average sized, the J150 Prado had the spare tire mounted on the rear door allowing for a massive fuel tank, Toyota doesn't offer the wheel back anymore just like how they don't offer the tailgate or the barn doors on the full size Land Cruisers anymore
The twin-turbo V6 in the Land Cruiser 300 never had an issue, it was only that batch of turbo assemblies for the Tundra, the V6 is definitely the more Land Cruiser like option
@@imnotusingmyrealname4566 I give that we have not seen issues in the LC300 itself, issues have shown up in the LS500, Tundra, and Sequoia so far. (I’m speaking of USA market here, have not looked at others). Worldwide, how many LC300’s with this petrol motor have sold so far?
Always thought Toyota should just restyle the 70 Series offered elsewhere and market that as your lower-cost based Land Cruiser. That style is iconic. With the new LC (except for the engine) you have similar differential issues between the LC and the GX that the LX and 200 Series shared. I also think Toyota should allow for special orders of the 300 series--the GR Sport!
Getting the 70 Series in the US would be the ultimate dream come true! Getting the GR Sport would be pretty sweet too! Though I have heard rumors that an off-road variant of the LX600 (with the front locker) miiiiight possibly make it here. Fingers crossed!
Like the idea but I keep hearing EPA regulations make the diesel not viable in the US. Don’t know the specifics
@@AB-qt4dj I love the look of the 70 series too, my 80 series ain't bad either though.
@@WheretoNextOverland Overtrail LX 600 incoming!
@@AB-qt4dj it's not the EPA, it's diesel fuel being more expensive and zero Toyota dealerships being equipped to service diesel engines, in Europe the emissions laws aee even stricter and every crossover that's not electrified is a diesel, and every big SUV is a diesel 100%
Excellent video! Your thoroughness in research and the experience you bring to this topic. Well don’t sir
Thanks dude. This one was for the nerds (like me) 🤣
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Great video and well said....I've had many Toyota's over the years and never had any issues at all. I love there cars had a 4runner and many trucks and vans, also great products hands down. These new land cruisers are gonna be great and i will get one. Also they will be reliable for sure Toyota does not lower there standards like other manufacturers. Enjoy the ride everyone Peace!!! 🤙
Thank you! And yeah, totally agree. It seems like with Toyotas' decades old reputation for reliability / durability .... they probably should've earned the benefit of the doubt by people at this point!
they lower their standards by making a hybrid Land Cruiser, have fun with a 10k+ repair bill because that hybrid battery is not going to last 25 years like a Land Cruiser should
Saving somewhere between $30k-$60k+ on fuel in those 25 years pays for a LOT of maintenance. Which would be nice .... because even my 100 costs $$$$$ to maintain at 23 years old.
@@WheretoNextOverland 30-60k on fuel Jesus Christ how much do you drive
@imnotusingmyrealname4566 comparing the LC250 to my 100, it's just how the math works out. 25 years, so let's say 250K miles. 12MPG in my 100 vs 27MPG in the LC250. Assume $5-7 per gallon average over that time and the cost savings are honestly shocking.
I would need suggestion of wesite where to do some some mods Witherspoon the next landcruiser and where i can find some pics of the résulte i am very visual Thank you
On the tailgate: at least they gave us a pop open window since the Highlander and Grand Highlander both have a tailgate where the glass doesn’t open now. I would prefer a power roll instead but will take the pop open one.
Only quibble would be do the math on fuel cost vs. inflation over the last 20 years. It's actually been hovering around $4/gallon since the 70s adjusted for inflation.
Saw the new LC at Overland Expo Mountain West in Denver a couple weeks ago. It's awesome and far better looking (IMO) than the new GX, which was also there. Not sure I'll replace my FJC for it immediately...but in a couple years when its obtainable...yep.
current 80/100/200 owner here. I definitely welcome the new hybrid engine with 20+ MPG. The biggest gripe with LC is the range when I filled out Toyota LC owner survey. ~200 miles range is pathetic for overlanding vehicle (when loaded), everyone is carrying Jerry cans (fire hazard). I'm glad Toyota listens. Secondly, there's no perfect vehicle for everyone, especially, for offroad/overlanding drivers who always personalize their vehicle for their intend purpose. Toyota now delivers a cheaper platform with more than enough offroad hardware for us to make our "dream" vehicle. Thank you.
I very much agree with everything you said!
27 mpg would be epic, but I wonder what water crossings might be like in a hybrid? I haven't talked to anyone with experience doing it safely, but that doesn't mean it can't be done. How sealed are those batteries?
Yeah, that's a good question about water fording. Toyota is usually pretty conservative with stuff like that from a safety standpoint .... and they MUST know that some Tacoma / Land Cruiser owners are going to do water crossings ..... so my assumption is they're probably quite safe .... but I suppose we'll have to wait and see
Don't really hate the 250. I have the 200 heritage '21. Can't understand the new powertrain, and I'm sure no mechanic in the middle of rural America where I go hunting and fishing will either. I'll stick with the V8, naturally aspirated.
If I had a Heritage 200, I wouldn't be looking to make the switch to a 250 either!
As an 80 100 and 200 series owner….I like it! 8:17 Sure there’s no V8…but the newbie is reminiscent of the 70 series Troopy…..I drove in Qatar and Afghanistan……it’s cool and if it gets anywhere near 20 mpg….It’s a WINNER!
It is called Prado only in three places in the world: Australia, UAE and South Africa as far as I know. The rest of the world know it simply as Land Cruiser. I honestly don't understand this Prado issue. Also it has the same frame, wheelbase and underpinnings of the 300... Also I sure the "four banger" will be a great engine. Here in Europe we've had mostly 4 cylinder engines with turbo from Toyota for ages. Some of them are now legendary with their reliability.
In Latina and South America it’s called Prado as well. The only place it isn’t called that is North America. Even Mexico calls it the Prado.
Here in Japan it will no longer be called the prado
@@Car-crazy what will it be called then? Since y’all also get the 300 series as well
@rollsroycenetwork1221 and the 70 series too. We will have all 3 models here. But from the demo ones that I have seen on the Japanese sites they are just badged as Land Cruiser. But the final version may have 250 added to it or something, but will not have prado badge. I am only telling what I know so far. Others I have spoken too have also said the same. Once actual models are released to the dealers then I will go and check for myself and reply accordingly
@@rollsroycenetwork1221 well they have their designations: J300 and J250, I guess this is enough for the fans. I don't know for the regular buyer.
I currently have a 2023 Land Cruiser prado 2.8L diesel, and its a brilliant car. And despite what some say that diesel engine is excellent, has more than enough power to cruise on motorways up hill or to pull up slow steep slopes. Although I bought it brand new last August if the price is right, I may be tempted to swap to this new one, but would be the diesel again. Not interested in paying more for a hybrid and then paying more for petrol only to get a little better mph. Diesel here is much cheaper than petrol so getting a hybrid makes little sense here and unless it was a diesel hybrid, then it would carch my interest. Only thing I find a bit worrying is the lack of ground clearance compared to the current 150 series model I have. Not sure where the measurement it taken from, but on the car I have now measured to under the side step boards there is almost 13 inches of ground clearancr. Even at the lowest point, diff is about 10 inches or more. Yet it is supposedcto have slightly bigger wheels than the current model. So you would expect it to be higher off the ground not lower than the 150 series. That is something I will need to check before considering it, other than that it looks great and should be a very good car. Not that there is anything wrong with what I got, I really like it, but its the design and the fact the boot swings up rather than out that does it for me
I agree that the ground clearance seems a little weak on this J250
Here in Europe, we only get 2.8 L diesel. I hope I can get one first addition, what is your mileage with the diesel? I hear in Australia it you comes with a diesel 2.8. hybrid.
@@Joop-Adrie Are you sure? I think in Australia they also have just the 2.8Diesel. There is no hybrid diesel that I know of.
The after market folks need to come out with a tail gate mod. Otherwise I love this new Landcruiser.
Duuuude, if they did I would be first in line to buy one. No split tailgate is the one thing that REALLY stings to me personally.
good idea.
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My complaint over the 150 prado: I want the spare wheel on the back door where its accessible and allows for more fuel underneath.
Yeah, that's definitely a fair complaint!
I appreciate the video, man! I think I agree with a lot of your points, though from a different prospective than you and the majority of the LC community are coming from, though. Not sure if this will piss off the old timers or not, but…I think the 2024 250 opens up the Land Cruiser to a whole new audience with the ability to actually get a new vehicle. I’ve got a decent amount of off road experience over a few different platforms, but the Land Cruiser has always been something that, while amazing and desirable, has somewhat been Unobtanium. Especially a new 200 series when those were sold in the US. So yeah, I think the smaller size (and it’s not like it’s tiny) and lower price is a very good thing. I might actually be able to get one of these, lol. I’m definitely excited for it, and I certainly hope it does well and continues to uphold the outstanding Land Cruiser heritage it’s based on.
I agree 100%. I think, at this price point, the 250 will make owning a NEW Land Cruiser much more approachable for a lot of people
Count me in with the group who is excited for the hybrid mileage and range. I replaced the tank in my lx470 with a 40 gallon tank because range was awful. I’d love the bi-turbo v6 but not at the expense of range… esp with no long range tank options in the new GX.
Haha yeah. The range out of my tank in the LX is pretty atrocious. Off-road I get range anxiety at about 175 miles. Woof.
I would like to first say I’m looking to get one; I currently have my beloved FJ, but can ANYONE tell me what is the projected life span of the turbo and the hybrid ? And what it will cost to replace it? Let’s face it, neither have a solid reputation. Your projected savings of $40k is great/possible over projected, but now you have to replace your battery because its busted? A few thousand dollars to replace the battery? Is that $2k, 3 4 5?
It's a fair question! I don't think anyone has those answers yet
Nice work, very well said!
Thank you!
Awesome video. I’m gonna wait for the 6th Gen 4Runner
Thank you! Hopefully, Toyota will reveal the next gen 4Runner before next Spring when the LC250 goes on sale. Admittedly, I'd like to know what it's gonna look like before making a decision on the 250
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I’m a Bronco guy, and have never been a LC guy, but my wife likes Toyotas. I’d be overjoyed if the new LC tripped her trigger. It’d make a great stable mate next to the Bronco. I was pretty meh about the current GX, but the new sheet metal that appears to share the rear lines with the new LC is very nice. As far as naysayers go, the more dedicated a fan of any storied platform is, the more likely they are to crap all over any modern rendition of the vision that lives mostly in their heads. Me? I’m all about modern tech applied to vintage style (or is it vintage style applied to modern tech?).
Why would you want 2 suv's keeo the Bronco and get something fast like a c8. Never understood why anyone would want 2 suv's
Wow! Finally a review that I agree with. Thank you!
Agree to agree?
I'm a fan to be honest. While I love a V8 sound, I've always approached all of my vehicles and mods with a function over form and bite over bark mentality. The function of this new 2.4 turbo hybrid should be good in just about every situation. I'll probably keep my Raptor, but I'm considering building one of these for daily, trips, tighter trails, etc etc. I figure, upgrade the suspension, add a tad bit of height, slap on 285/75R18s, and enjoy the ride...oh and bumpers/sliders
I love this review and looking to trade in my BMW X5 for this , which trade-ins is something I never do .
I absolutely agree with the power train assessment.
People are complaining about the power train? Really??!! In Europe, the only engine will be a 4-cylinder turbodiesel. It produces a heady 201bhp and 300lb-ft. And will probably have worse MPG compared to the turbo petrol hybrid. Face it USA, you’re getting the best engine. 😉
I agree! Although a turbodiesel sounds appealing, but mostly because diesels are a "forbidden fruit" here.
To the size of the fuel cell, my guess is it will be smaller. Seems like the more fuel efficient a vehicle becomes, the smaller the tank. Also a smaller tank will also reduce weight. Just my thoughts.
Yeah, makes sense that they'd reduce the size of the tank and save some weight to offset some of that battery weight
I own a 2013 FJ Cruiser (Australia) and reckon that the 250 (Prado) is FJ Cruiser inspired, there might just be one in my life.
It definitely looks like if has some FJ inspiration to me .. and I'd say that's a good thing. Always loved the FJ!
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You hit the nail on the head. Great video
Thank you!
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I believe the sway bar disconnect is not available on the 1958, you get it with land cruiser trim,
Yep, you are correct (unless Toyota makes it an option on the 1958 which would be a nice move)
it’s a nice feature but we’ve done just fine without it ALL these years👍
But......more buttons to play with! 🤣
And hybrid technology is changing rapidly every couple years So is there a point in the future that this could be better Yes but current day hyper technology that battery is only good for a certain number of charges before it gives out
I wonder what the price difference would have been if there was a non hybrid option for the base model.
Yeah, I wonder. My hunch is they're saving that for the next gen 4 Runner
I don’t hate it, I just don’t like it. Same with the shoes my wife bought me that I now love. Yes it’s different than what I wanted butI’ll likely buy one used in the next few years and Bragg how I can now drive over 225 miles per tank (80 series) and lament how that sucked.
Haha, this comment is the closest I've seen to summing up my personal feelings on the LC250. I don't LOVE it. I don't HATE it. It seems ..... fine? But a few years from now I'll probably be telling everyone it's the best thing ever
the current gen Honda HR-V that is currently sold in the US is actually the Honda ZR-V that is also sold in China, and is different to the HR-V being sold to the other part of the world. same thing.
Because it technically isn’t a Land Cruiser, it’s a Land Cruiser Prado. The one I want is the 79 Series with a diesel and manual just don’t know which body style.
That hybrid battery is going to eventually need a replacement and it won't be cheap. My 2011 4Runner trail will never need that......in fact, I've only replaced the starting battery only once.
My buddy paid $25,009 for a replacement battery
2:36 Thanks, I agree. I own one myself and I freaking love it.
How can you compare to totally different products. It’s a cool 4x4 but telling me that it’s back… it’s smaller… and cheaper is just dishonest marketing. Imagine if ford made the current bronco here and the bronco sport on other markets… then stopped production on the bronco we know for a bit. Then made a huge deal about bringing a “better” bronco that’s actually just an updated bronco sport. 🤷🏻♂️ At the end of the day it’s a cool addition and I don’t care that they call it the Land Cruiser… I just feel like Toyotas marketing team is pretty sleazy (with this launch at least).
with the Lexus GX/LX, why does the land cruiser need to exist? 4runner and Sequoia, then if you want more, Lexus GX/LX. So this is Toyota actually saying they never should have discontinued the FJ. This is Toyota bringing back the FJ w/o calling it the FJ. 🤔
Toyota killing the FJ in the US was a MAJOR "oops" by Toyota, for sure!
Love this video- your evidence silences the non-engineer critics who know everything.
Thank you! Wasn't going to make this video but after watching just about all the other LC250 videos out there .... I felt some things needed to be said. Haha.
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I just wish they at least put a 3.5 V6 in it. Some of us don’t care about MPG’s, don’t want turbos slapped on a tiny motor and definitely don’t want hybrid crap. I guess I’ll have to buy a HD Truck now that all the good SUV’s are no longer being made.
I think it’s going to be a hit. While it needs some stuff off the showroom floor to make it fully off-road worthy, it’ll be worth it. My sole gripe revolves around the insane completely of the engine. Specifically the hybrid engine. Fuel economy is great, but you don’t see people wrenching on their hybrids. In turn, these power plants/vehicle feel ‘disposable’, sortof like your cell phone. MAJOR costs to keep running down the line. And that’s if you’re cool with the nations/practices/exploitation involved with the whole battery/EV thing. And n contrast, I just started a project on another 4Runner (‘97), and there’s not much there I can’t fix in my driveway.
I love V8s but my stock Sequoia only gets 14mpg w/300 mile range on the highway. That’s just absurd in 2023. She’s a dinosaur that won’t die but I’d gladly pickup this new Landcruiser.
question is why we cant have new full size land cuiser like Australia? Why north america should be ok with Prado....
I have watched so many videos in the new L-C and desire one more than my second wife BUT $55K is still bunches of money beyond my serf budget.
Dream car for me!
Well explained!!
Thanks!
This particular model Land Cruiser 250 is called Prado in China, the larger Land Cruiser 300 is called Land Cruiser
While I agree with the range being a bonus it’s still gonna be cheaper to buy an older LX 470 or GX 470 and just pay for the fuel then to purchase and finance a new vehicle at this price in the long run.
This is probably true .... although based on my cost of ownership of my LX470, it might be surprisingly close
For most cars, it’s usually cheaper buying a used one.
Great overview. Elephant in the room not mentioned regarding the hybrid is the sacrifice of vertical space in the cargo area because of the battery, and that aggravating step up back there. Yes, new-tech fanbois will counter - it's just a couple inches, but in that area a couple inches is a lot for a rig with overlanding/camping pretensions. Also, I would add, a lot more people than they might think are going to like the styling of the 1958 better, and so that should be available as more of a mainstream fully optionable choice and not just a limited base trim. Meaning, be able to get all the goodies of the regular (upper) model, and not play the insidious, ever popular (among manufacturers) game of "you can't get this with that."
Totally agree. The raised floor is going to make the addition of a drawer system more complicated. Also, it looks like the starter battery will be in the back as well (along the side somewhere). Which again, might complicate adding a drawer system back there. A drawer system is a luxury my wife and I will NOT do without after having one. Will be interesting to see what happens with that
I made it “this far” the 100 series is the greatest… i still wish i had bought one 7 years ago :(
Can't argue with that. I LOVE our 100
Great video! Just a shame Americans think only US excists in the world and Europeans would like to see metric stuff, even only popup text in sted of switching to converting apps forever 😂😂
Who’s honestly hating on this? What are the other options a jeep that has looked the same for 50 years, a bronco that comes with a convertible top for 90k and already looks outdated.
Most Land Cruiser enthusiast forums have been pretty critical .... but I agree with you
@@WheretoNextOverland most Land Cruiser enthusiast also wait for the chassis to be affordable before buying one, 15 years later.
@@zenincolllective4083 truth
Great video, 90% of the hater videos are just clickbait for views- just needs a few mods to be great
Agreed! I can't wait to see what it looks like with 35's and bumpers!
Toyota debuted the Prius in 1997. I think they know how to make hybrids reliables.
Split folders do make it harder to reach gear in the back...
That's a fair point, and it's definitely true. We find ourselves climbing up on the tailgate to grab stuff often. But, still, 100% worth it for the functionality gained (IMO)
Too bad they don't offer similar off road trims like the Bronco, with tires, lift and bumpers already added.
100% agree. It's pretty disappointing that there is no 'Trailhunter' equivalent of the 250. Toyota did a MUCH better job on the new Tacoma of providing what offroaders / overlanders actually want
Americans flocked to the Dodge minivan when it came out. Then they said what they really wanted was….(wait for it) a BIGGER minivan (Grand Caravan). Lol. We are so fickle.
It's a Costco Cruzer not a Land Cruzer
Come on now, don't pretend like you don't love Costco!
Costco Cruzer, now equipped with Mall Crawl electronic terrain mode.
@@jerrykearns6344 rad! Should help me navigate the parking lot at Starbucks.
My issue is the hybrid engine. I just wish Toyota would offer a standard petrol or diesel engine.
You've gotta get a Bronco Sasquatch
No worries! The dealers would add $20k -$30k to make it as (expense) as 100, 200 series .
Hoping you're wrong, but anticipating you might be right
Sadly, you are correct. Our dealer, whom we have purchased several Toyotas from, mentioned $10K over if they should happen to have a First Edition. Following a few terse words from me, I walked out. A dealer down the road a bit boasts never over MSRP. We will see about that...
@jamesemanner9671 yeah, we've got a dealer near us who said they never do over MSRP on any vehicle (but im skeptical). Of course, they also don't do lists or reservations... I think the First Editions are gonna be unobtanium without a big markup. Hopefully the Land Cruiser and 1958 trims won't be as brutal
I would beg to differ on that we're getting the Prado in one sense. The Prado was inserted to address the bloat of what was the LC. The bloat was criticized. The bloat being gone really goes back to the 70 series...undoing a need for "Prado" and just being Land Cruiser. It's bloat affected nimbleness a bit...compared to a Jeep or old school LC's and Defenders and the G Wagon. The athleticism was part of the issue. So it is more LC now and less grocery getter or executive hauler...those "Land Cruiser" people aren't Land Cruiser people...their complaints are a good sign Toyota got it right. The price is incredibly reasonable for what it is...the size nailed it...the removal of a 3rd row as an option nailed it--that's for gear and stuff, not people. Hell, the 2nd row might not be for people if overlanding. The engine size is actually MORE LC than not...as long as the quality is good. Overseas, smaller forced induction engines have been enough power while being lighter with better fuel efficiency for better overlanding range. And reliable as hell. That actually is the model of an offroading AND overlanding engine IF you can nail the quality, which LC has. The one question I have is if it is indeed as well built overall...which I expect it is. But the focus is on that engine. I want to see how it does. It has plenty of torque for sure. The forced induction isn't a red flag to me due to history as long as the engine with the forced induction proves to be legit. However, that hybrid drive assist bugs me a little. It adds torque, but it also adds a MORE complex engine with more to go wrong and maintain. That's the thing I would have left out. Electric motors can be amazingly robust, so maybe it is. But it also has the typical battery factor...that needs to be practical to replace. This is my hesitation moving forward. I want to see how this plays out.
In Africa the Prado has a tank that has about 40 Gallons.
40 gallons?! Wow. That's massive
Here is just another little tidbit, food for thought. As of this time Jeep has a supply gut of 5498 Hybrids, the 4xe "Nationwide". Overall Jeep has a 753 day supply of vehicles. Nobody is buying Jeeps and for all practical purposes, as of this time, the Jeep Hybrid is deader that a D Cell battery in old Maglite. Jeep and RAM are dying a sad death on the vine. Toyota, on the other hand, has a whopping 37 day supply. This is all models again "Nationwide" I'm sure the new Landcruiser will do well but probably will be hard to get a hold of, and just like the current 4runner many dealers will tack on a ridiculous market adjustment. Overall Toyota is doing something right and the consumers cant get enough of them!
I love high quality plastic, it last forever. Give me more, easy to clean and maintain. 2024 Toyota Land Cruiser 1958 is exactly what I wanted, except for the 3rd row seating, I need a place for my kids.
That's a good point in favor of the plasticky interior / exterior of the 1958
The only problem with plastic versus soft/padded is I fear the cabin noise level will be high.
I still own my 1998 Landcruiser. the 4.7 V8 purr like the day I bought it. Well pass 200k miles and still going strong.
Isn't it amazing how well these things drive with well over 200K miles on them?? I've driven plenty of rental cars with 15K miles on them that seem waaaaaay more worn out than my 260K mile 100 series 🤣
The only ones complaining are the 200 series owners who are scared the value of there rigs may drop a little and the only way to keep the price up there is to claim the new model is not legit.
Based on my co worker buying a F150 for 28,000 below MSRP, m sure the lowest trim LC will actually be 49,000 USD! maybe less if this current trend continues!
I would rather buy this Landcruiser over the lexus RX 350 . This truck is going to hold its value real Good
5:03 good idea, think I will if I get one rather than a 5th Gen 4Runner
Do it!
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