2.8l SHAKEDOWN YOU DECIDE WHICH IS BETTER?
2024 ж. 23 Ақп.
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No wiser what the results were since they were covered by the thumbnails of past videos……🤦🏼♂️🤷🏼♂️😂
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Cheers, saved me 15min
I hate those bloody thumbnails everyone puts on the end of the videos. Ruins the finish. And agree, I couldn't see the final score either.
I think that was on purpose.
So here's the trick: pause when thumbnails hide the results (the numbers come up behind after the thumbnails), then move the curser to midway through the video (between the thumbnails), and click to resume, then the 6 - 6 result appears momentarily.
Looks like Toyota did their homework . The 2.8 is doing a lot better than one wants to admit loudly.
More likely Toyota paying Ronny to say nice things i'd say
Bullshit Andrew. He isn’t the only one saying good things. The reality is aside from sound the V8 is worse in every single aspect.
@@bobby6481 I call bullshit on that... You don't think Toyota's budget is big enough ta pay for all those reviews...I should know I own both... The 1vd shits on the gd every day of the week and like I said I own both!!
@@andrewsouvertjis9309 so you haven’t driven a 2.8 70 series to compare?
@@andrewsouvertjis9309 everyone is paid, nothing is true in the internet, ford is paying you i reckon
I would give the 'Low Range Speed Test" Win to the 2.8 (Less is Best (AfterAll It's why SomePeople fit ReductionGears))
Yep the lower the better in my book
Yeah I didn't understand that. Isn't the bigger the reduction the better. Better control at slow speed. Isn't that what you're after?
I ordered a 2.8 litre 79 yesterday. And I'm coming from a V8 Troopy. That little 2.8 is a killer, especially in Power/Haul mode. I don't care if it only lasts 300,000Kms instead of the V8's 500,000Kms (wild, uneducated guesses in both cases) because It'll take me 10 or 12 years to get to 300,000Kms and I'll want a newer car by then. Anyway - the 2.8 might last as long as the V8, time will tell.
My 2010 v8 79 is still in stock form except for 33's, 2" lift, intercooler fans and exhaust, now with over 400k on the clock. That's all I'll need with the new 2.8 coming in mid next month. I will miss that thong slapping sound. Misses won't hear me rumbling through the hills before arriving home.
Don't worry mate 2.8 been kicking around for 9 years now ... my old hilux is 2016 model and sold it to my brother inlaw and now he's towing 2.4 t caravan still .
My 1kd Prado has well over 220k on the clock and has outlived my uncles troopy vdj which detonated at 130k….impossible to compare the exact same vehicle over its life.
great answer. always hear people saying im buying this as my forever car... hahaha I dont think thats possible in this modern day. people have consumerism built into them. and things just are not built to last forever any more.
Plenty of hiluxes and prados with the 2.8 on much higher than 300,000kms 😄
Ronny is a KZhead pro hiding the results behind the “watch next” cards like that… classic irony. Nice one, Ronny: especially after building up to the scores the whole video. Got us. 😂
Hey mate, both scores at the end were obscured by the two video links 😂 what were the scores?? Great video btw. Rooting for the new LC, Im over a lifetime of manual offroading. I think its time to moved on to the new LC 👍
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To me the most Iconic 70 is not the V8 but the HDFTE. That straight six was amazing.
I agree with that.
Amen
1HZ baby! Wish it could get the 2.8 fuel economy tho, that thing chugs fuel like there is no tommorow.
@@BonzoSAiweLsaebn Yeah another legend
Yeeah, those 1HD / 1HZ big end bearings that disintegrate after 300k km are amazing.
So good to see Torb's back! Like a genuinely good fit on screen with you Ronny.
Not fair contest, they’re different colours
"It was like driving an electric car for a minute..." Thems fightin' words! Lol
I think the short gearing and the new water-cooled intercooler are a big win factor over the Hilux.
Glad to see Torbs and Little Bear. I missed his laugh, really thought the salt lakes were the end of his appearances.
Thanks champ I'll still be joining the occasional trip as a guest
That lighter engine up front probably helps with the push back on those hills
Great to see Torbs back on the channel. I think the writing is on the wall for the V8. Toyota will only improve power, torque, economy & emissions with the 4-pot as time goes on. The only thing that will be missing from the 2.8 is that awesome exhaust note.
I couldn't see the final score because the adds for other episodes was in the way... :)
Same here, came her to see if someone else had this problem!
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A basic search of KZhead will yield a plethora of results of 100 % standard latest model 70 series 2.8 vs 4.5. In particular, refer to the Auto Expert tow test video that uses a dynometer to control and test towing parameters of each. And yes the 2.8 wins.
Great shakedown Ronney. Awesome to see ya back on channel Torbes👍
Got a solution for you blokes. Just get a 200 series. Sound power and torque of the v8 with ease of the auto 😂
If only the 2.8L inline 4 didn't have a disfunctional traction control system, but still would prefer the 3.3L V6 from the 300 series.
Good old oil burner 6 cylinder. They’re having issues with it hence I reckon it was never used.
The 3.3 probably costs 5 times as much as the 2.8. It takes a few seconds to fully turn off the traction control. Press and hold but I think you need to be stationary.
bleh v6 stinky! Inline engines all the way.
Toyota traction control system is amazing, the only dysfunctional thing about it is someone who doesn’t know when to and when not to use it.
@@simmo6035If Ronny didn't bother to turn off the traction control after he started the 2.8L up then the egg is on his face.
well done putting the cards directly over the results...
Toyota could have put the v6 out of the 300 in the 70 series. Cheap Jack upgrade for a premium price.
Four cylinder is great but if im in the middle of nowhere and its 50 degrees id rather be in low pressure V8 than high pressure four cylinder. Maybe a mechanic can correct me about that, but ill take some convincing.
we run the 4 cyl Hilux's in the Pilbara. At 4pm in the middle of Feb on a 48 degree day the ground will be around 70-74 degrees. We've never had an issue with the heat - blows me away that machines operate in that heat!! Been in the Pilbara for 20 yrs, the 4 cylinders have been bullet proof for us.
@@chrisandshazza01 Hope it stays good for you.
@user-uc8zo6be5x you don't need to, just push it, it will start without starter motor but 4 cylinder will not start
Good results. I know everyone will point out the obvious that the V8 has 35s vs 33s on the 2.8. They will also point out the canopy and bar work weight. But please know that V8 is not only tuned like Rohnis, with big exhaust and 4” snorkel, it also has a larger hiflow aftermarket turbo and large intercooler. 2.8 still standard power lol.
Since when V8 needs excuses
As it stands the V8 is still the proven reliable unit. Chances are the new one won’t last as long
@@gamebredduramax71 And that's the gist of it. My guess is that the V8 will outlast the 2.8.
@@gamebredduramax71the 2.8 has been around for 9 years and there are far more of them kicking round pulling big caravans than the v8. People hated the v8 when it came and it issues burning oil and it still has issues with dust ingest causing plenty of failures. The v8 is nothing special.
@@m5wm6w look, sadly Toyota is leaning in on the planned obsolescence tactics of the rest of the car industries, they used to build them to see how long they could last and we had over built beast of vehicles, now these manufacturers are battling the governments over stringent emissions and other regulations in order for them to remain profitable they have to turn more vehicles and to do that they can’t be lasting 10 and 20 years no more.
Hi Ronny, have you fitted wheel spacers to the rear of the 2.8 76?
So let’s put my GX 200 series which at the time of purchase cost the same as the 76 2.8l. It has the auto factory and the V8 turbo diesel, albeit with an extra turbo. Let’s see how they compare…
I don't know about the Landcruisers but on the Navara's you can just pull the fuse for the traction control.
In high range maybe the traction control can be fully turned off with a 5second press of the button?
You can pull a fuse on the 120 Prado d4d to disable it, I was wondering if you can do similar with this one (?)
Yes, you can. You need to be stationary though.
But hang on torbs said the iconic 70 series is v8 but the iconic 70 series original came with a 4 cylinder 2l turbo, the 1kz 4 cylinder, the 13b-t, then a couple ov versions of straight 5 cylinder engines followed by the iconic straight 6 engines then the v8. Now back to 4 cylinder. Yes the v8 might be great but the true icon of the 70 series is the straight 6
Do you need to reprogram the ecu in these to recalibrate the speedo and shift points for the auto? Not sure how the auto 70 series setup, but this is a common task in other vehicles that can really make a difference as you go up in tire size.
Still prefer the V8 manual if i was to ever buy one. But Patrol coily ute Td42ti beats them all Lol.
what are the weights of each car? tyre brand and size? new or old? are they standard? tyre pressure?
its more fun than serious but great to see how it tags along ;) nice to follow how ronny gains experience on it so he can tell at the end. vehicles are always individual decisions. cheers!
Another great vid Ronny and good to see Torbs again! I can see lot of positives with the 2.8, especially given the automatic transmission. I am really liking my V8 troopy which I have had for a couple of years now. I just find myself wondering how a V8 Auto would go.
I had the v8 auto 200gx. It was a boat. I feel the v8 and manual go well together...and it is looking like the 2.8 and auto match well.
Terrific fun comparative video. And so great to see Torbs again - he's been missed! The 2.8 is clearly the better vehicle! Also the low range speed test results were upside down! The 2.8 clearly has a lower low range - which is precisely the point of low range! So the 2.8 won on points! And that's without commenting that for me, I prefer the quieter engine and exhaust note.
Great comparison video, great to see Torb's and great to see him eating a little portion of humble pie.
Yes Ronny that auto would make a big difference on the sand as it seem to do things easy once you know how to drive it .
I'd like to see some more work done to the 76, Give it a tune and 3inch. Those 2.8 sound ok for a turbo diesel 4. also would like to know if the tracking issue on the rear has been fixed since no longer wide v8. Also in regards to the Auto vs Manual having had both on the sand the auto is far greater.
What would your thoughts be on the 2.8 if they were to put the six speed manual behind it? Improvement or does the auto suit the 2.8 more?
I still find it hard to believe that anyone can suggest that a 4 cylinder motor in a big vehicle will outlast a V8 on the same chassis. Yes, it did pull the caravan up a hill faster than the V8, but long term, how long can it do that for?
@@user-uc8zo6be5x I have 2 of them, one has done 280,000km and the other 180,000km. Apart from oil, filter changes and normal maintenance I have done nothing to either of them. One has towed a caravan all the way around Aus. It’s going to take a few years before the outcome of the motor change will be known. I think all you guys who are saying “4 cylinder ra ra ra” need to just sit back and wait a while and we will see what happens before bagging the rest of us.
@@user-uc8zo6be5xI do find it interesting that people are suggesting that Ronnie is being paid by Toyota to do these reviews. I could also argue that maybe a lot of his supporters are being paid to go and trash any V8 owner comments. Sure this motor has been used in other vehicles, but not in this large a vehicle with the weights put in and behind them that people expect them to be able to carry. . Instead of saying V8’s are trash, how about waiting a couple of years and having the discussion again about what time has taught us. You ma be completely right, or you could be completely wrong.
@@user-uc8zo6be5xI can’t argue with you about the Isuzu motors, we have owned 2 x Bighorns(you call them the Monterey in Aus) and both were great vehicles. Suspension was amazing off road and by far one of the most comfortable. I have owned Toyota BJ40 surf x 3 76 & 78 both V8 Nissan Patrol LWB x 3 SWB x 2 I only got the 76 because after selling our Tag-a-long company in NZ it was the only thing that still had beam axles. Buying the 78 in Aus was a no brainer because of the reliability etc. the Fj40 & Nissans all had 6 cylinder motors, the Surf’s all had 4 cylinder motors, the only one I had issues with was the middle one which was the older motor with turbo. It had 8 cracks in the head because Toyota didn’t do the mods needed on that motor to go from non to turbo ie bigger exhaust ports etc. unfortunately it was like that when I bought it. 😢😢 luckily I didn’t end up paying for it. That is the only motor issue I have ever had. I replaced the clutch in the FJ and had a gearbox issue with one. So I have been around a few vehicles. Some have been used almost exclusively as work vehicles. The bigger the vehicle the bigger the motor. The manufacturers have always put bigger motors in bigger vehicles that’s why I’m sceptical about going from a bigger vehicle to a smaller motor. That’s why I think only time will tell whether it was a good decision or not. I also can’t argue about less weight less issues but unfortunately some don’t see it that way, decide on what you want to carry then buy and modify a vehicle to carry it. Price is also an issue, I guess that’s why we see BT50’s towing huge caravans.
I owned 2016 hilux hi rider 7 years of owing it only have 1 issued and it was a dpf but toyota changed it . Sold to my brother inlaw and now he towing 2.4 t caravan with it ..
@@unna1996you miss my point, I’m not bagging the motor, my just questioning the putting of a 4 cylinder motor in place of a bigger motor in a bigger vehicle.
Hey mate love your channel. In the UAE we still get the V6 4.0L version (4.0L, V6, 24-VALVE DOHC VVT-I). You reckon this will be a good buy or wait for the 2.8L (if it ever comes here)? The main thing I will be using it for desert camping (so desert sand driving)
The V6 is waaay better for desert work, only positive to the 2.8 is fuel economy otherwise the v6 has more power and is good for 300,000+kms
This was just an auto vs Manual comparison. Get a wholesale automatic auto converted 70 and see what happens.
20k+ for wholesale auto conversion on top of his V8 which already has a upgraded larger bolt on turbo, larger intercooler, pipework, exhaust, air box, snorkel, tune, clutch. All that against standard 2.8 👌🏽
The point is it’s got nothing to do with the engine and everything to do with auto vs manual. I didn’t mention cost of after market changes, I was just pointing out a fact.
exactly.... stock they have the same power, so basically no difference. take away the auto and it's the same except the 4cyl is cheaper to do injectors and wear out faster. when you modify them the v8 will take 20psi extra boost and the 4cyl wont.
I couldn’t stand listening to the drone of the V8 on a long trip - glad it’s on your car
I nearly spent the mkney on a ZF 8 speed auto conversion for my 79 v8. Now that would be an interesting comparison
Not sure what my next 4wd is going to be but I do know one thing. I am keeping it as close to stock as I can and I am not bolting on all the heavy shit. If I get a bullbar for Roos, it will be Alloy. I will be applying the KISS principle. Who knows, the way the current Government is going to tax us for not having electric, I may never get another 4wd which is concerning. Good clip Ronny.
Everyone loves the sound of a V8. Lol just something primal about it. Though my personal truck is only a V6 petrol. I chose to save the money and not opt for the V8 petrol. Though the V8 had more power. The v6 still offers 285hp and 305 ft-lbs. So as long as the engine has enough power im good no matter how many cylinders. Obviously the 2.8L has proven to have plenty on offer but the auto seems to make it seem sluggish on the beach. But tha v8 rumble....lol. I think the gearboxes make the bigger difference between the 2. What's the power and torque difference between the engines? They're both turbo diesels, so low end grunt has to be fair and the torque converter in the auto probably offsets the difference out of the blocks. I've always liked auto for off roading. Manual for a sports car or commercial trucks. But for a daily driver/4x4 I'll take a good strong automatic with a good cooling system. It just offers so much more control with just throttle. Just as long as you can keep em cool.
A lot of the results were driver error and not really the car, but it was still fun to see
What's the shield on Torbs bonnet called? where can I buy one?
I think the auto transmission played more of a role than what people give it credit for. If Toyota had paired an auto with the V8, the conversations would be different. But ultimately its a sales call for Toyota and we're just seeing the consumer justification for moving away from the V8 engine. I believe a channel (TJ and Mac) is tuning the ZF 8 speed with 70 series. There are others as well. Compare the 2,8L with a V8 with auto.
I still believe the most obvious thing to point out is the weight between the two. Yes the 76 is holding its own at this time in the current configuration. Add some more weight and I'm sure that will drastically change it. Put simple I am sure it will be great as a Light Weight Tourer, but as a Heavy Weight Tourer I suspect it's going to struggle. Now to get back to the V8 or I4. If you like the V8 and prefer the Home on Wheel then stick with that. If the Wife is thinking of going to something else from whatever she has then see what she thinks. Perhaps the 76 will fit what she wants and needs. That's my input for you Ronny
Sand driving doesn't require four-wheel drive just low tyre pressures and an automatic
You think Ronny and torbs didn't have their tyres pressures down?
@@simmo6035 I'm sure they did, I'm just pointing out that beach driving is a terrible way of comparing 4x4 ability coz you don't even need a 4x4 to do it.
Seems like there may have been a little driver error involved with this test. The new 70 is still surprisingly good no matter what way you look at it, still not sure if I want one though. Longevity just can’t be tested anytime soon hey. Thanks for giving it a crack, good video.
very happy to to see Torbs... and his beast...
I'm writing you from the top of the Yeagarup exit. Did it in my fully laded 76series from 2021 lowrange 3rd 33'muddy 8/15psi, from the middle section. 16psi was far too high
I can't understand why you tried to conquer this hill with that speed.
Nice to see you keeping it calm and balanced, not all emotional ranting.
😂😂😂
Lovely Ep and 4wds guys. When I was 20 to 40 I loved a V8 bark. but now I am nearly 60 I hate it, 2,8lt auto thanks.
It's hardly a fair comparison putting a man of Torbens talents against an amateur like Ronny 😂😂😂 good to see the A Crew back together
In the 200, if you hold down the traction control button for five seconds while the car is stationary, you can turn off the system. It is worth trying in the 70.
As a gear head for as long as I can remember, I would have to go, the 4cyl. I like the technology and I like V8's that actually sound good 😉 Disclaimer. To be fair a completely stock exhaust on the 1VD sounds ok.
Torbs is back👍
"She be right mate....Only one owner" 😂😂😂😂😂 Gold
Hi Ronny great to see these tests. I would also like to suggest to have a look at comparing the mahindra pick up truck with the 79 series 4 cylinder since they are both very similar agriculture vehicles. Better yet if you could do a build series with one adding your twist on modifications which will be interesting to see and compare since both vehicles have a large difference in price. Cheers from Sri Lanka!
Great to see Torb's back! Missed you mate!
Equal comparison required. Get a V8 76, same tyres, same weight. True results then.
Great to see Torben ❤
So good to see Torbs back.. even if it is just random appearances :)
What to say? all depends on driver‘s skills and some luck. V8 or 4 Cylinder does not play a major role, automatic gives definitely some more luxury for driving and avoids mistakes of chosen gear. Time will tell us how long the automatic gear box and the 4 cyl engine will last, both definitely running closer to their limits than in a stock or moderate tuned V8.
2021 Prado owners smirk knowlingly... that engine has been around for a while.
Hey mate, love your content. Have learned heaps! Would you ever modify a Mahindra pickup? Hear they're good, not good looking, but it could be a lot of smoke. Figured you'd be the guy to pressure test it proper. All the best mate
We need to know for comparing: same tyre sizes? Same kerbweights?
Hey Ronny I’m wondering what you thing they will do after the v8 is finished in terms of a manual. Do you thing they will start offering the 1gd with the 6 speed hilux manual because I can imagine no everyone will want an auto even if the 2.8 is good with the auto
I figure it all depends on how long you want to keep it. V8 means relatively relaxed. The little 4 is getting blood from a stone.
How much is the motor, and how much is the automatic transmission. If the V8 had an automatic transmission, would the results be the same?
Auto all theway :-) they're so much easier in the sand and slow stuff... My Pajero sport has done the Yaegerup trip twice and only once got stuck once on the way up Callcup hiil (8spd auto, stock suspension on 32.6 inch tryes 265/70r17)
The capability of the new 2.8 is certainly a surprise to me at least but I don't think I'm quite ready to shelve the V8 just yet, just the sound alone is adequate compensation for the extra fuel the V8 uses and an auto gearbox does not hold much appeal to me either.
Torb's V8 is tuned right? How is that a fair contest? Standard head to head the 2.8L wins every time.
What's with not being able to see the score at the end because they are covered with these suggestion link/thumbnails?
Great to see Torbs back! Legend.
I think the comparison test was a little unfair. First of all the 79 was a lot heavier than the 76 and second there is significant difference in the wheelbase of the two vehicles. Although difficult for you I would have liked to have seen two 76 cruisers compared. I think the remap for the V8 was a good idea as the V8 is significantly detuned and can get much more out of it than you can with remapping (if it is possible) the 2.8
Hold down the traction control off button for like 5 to 10 seconds and it will be completely turned off?
Are you thinking of doing a review on the 48v thats coming out this year?
What do you mean you can't turn off traction control? Is pressing the button not enough?
He forgot to turn it off
You have to be stopped to turn it off fully. 3 or 4 second press.
I think the 4cyl is a great option for some, but how is this even close to a comparison due to the massive weight etc differences. Good for the views I suppose
Hope you washed the salt off the 2.8 as I am thinking you will be keeping her......... Keep up the good work, great video.
Is it illegal to run 35s on the 2.8 4cylinder LC 79?
Nice to see torb’s back in the channel i love you content saludos desde California
After watching all, I think, of your 2.8 video's I'd say that the 2.8 Auto is making a compelling argument for itself. And as for the V8 sound? I assume it's running an aftermarket 3" exhaust
the v8 had like a lot more kg on it and bigger tires .... yup
Would you make a video comparing the toyota fortuner vs 76 2.8l
That Jimny looks sick
This really shows the capability of modern automatic transmissions. They really even the score Offer the automatic on the V8
What about driver error?
The low range speed test was very good. I'm guessing the auto wouldn't go past 4th gear - like the 200series where it locks out 5th and 6th gear when in low range.
that's what I didn't like with my 200 , now in a 76 v8, love driving the manual in the bush.auto was boring.
I'm sure you can turn the traction control off. The Prados can.
Great video. But, I've never understood why you use low range so much. I've always had a Prado with the same running gear as your new wagon, and watching the V8, I now understand why. How about for your next challenge, don't use low range. You'll find that the 2.8 runs better without it. Save low range for emergencies.
When does Toyota do a v8 automatic model?
Comparing factory specs, the 2.8 has the same power but more torque. To the engineers at Toyota, it’s a just a power plant that performs better with lower emissions. They don’t really care how it makes people feel. Personally, I think they should drop in a Detroit two stroke V6 cause they sound awesome.
Toyota don't give a shit about what people want
2.8 with a tune/airfliter/snorkel and 33's in a troopy would be my choice ✅
What are you tuning?? That 2.8 can’t go much more before reliability is out the window
Easy tune to 600nm and 230hp. If done it in a Prado. Works like a charm
if you add a filter and snorkel you get more air so a tune is needed to corfect the air/fuel ratio you end up getting more hp and smoother running engine
What's the difference between the 70 series 2.8 & the 2.8 in the Hilux?
The gearing seems to be shorter in the LC.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but it has a redesigned steel sump for oil pickup, redesigned auto cooler, same 70 series transfer box, different diff ratios.
Correct on all accounts
Engine: Added Balance shaft Water to air intercooler Larger sump Different sump oil pick up Different pully Larger radiator Larger fan Gearbox: Gearbox has a different larger capacity and forged sump cover Also breather that’s also mounted up high. Diff rations are 4.3s
A ln106 is cool now
The Manuel transmission makes a lot of cars become driver's cars
I guess its just nice to have a choice....as a person that loves the sounds of a V8 makes it hard when pretty much everything with the 2.8 auto just makes sence especially for touring...i would rather the economy the quite and the relaxing drive of an auto any day when smashing kms..at least you can have a conversation in the 2.8 doing 100km