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Here's the review of the Viper V3 Pro. This is the highly-anticipated follow up to the V3 Hyperspeed we saw last fall. We'll talk about the comparisons between those two, we'll find out if 8K Polling is really worth it, and we'll see if Razer finally dethrones the G Pro Superlight.
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CHAPTERS:
00:00-01:09 - Changes
01:10-2:04 - Vetted
02:05-02:37 - Sensor Placement
02:38-04:19 - Switches, Side Buttons, Scroll
04:20-04:55 - Coating
04:56-07:37 - 4K/8K Polling
07:38-09:26 - Final Thoughts
#razer #v3pro #gamingmouse
the sheer symmetry of your beard is kind of freaking me out
it's ambidextrous
He definitely has some sort of template that he uses lol. It's always straighter than a conservative lumberjack.
It's a work of art like a painting of Picasso
Bros Beard has a jawline.
😂
It happened while he lying down, enjoying the sun and the mawn lower passed on him by mistake. Beard got cut off.
At this point, $160 for a mouse is too much IMO. Lamzu, WLmouse, Pulsar, and many more have flagship 4K mice for around $100 that are lighter with better QA. Logitech and Razer need to realize that their pricing is just out of touch at this point
Reviewers need to start making a note of this. The majority of us cannot afford a 160 dollar mouse. It can't be justified considering the competition either, as they have the same features for far less.
@@nisem0nowe can, but we cannot justify spending that amount on something we'll get just as much elsewhere for less. Diminishing returns are a waste.
Way to much. Prices getting outa hand. THank you FM.
@@MaskedOG anecdotal do out of hand, handjobs haven't been the same since the past few years.
Totaly nailed that point.@@VinnyUnion
hello. love your videos very detailed and to the point. also, do you know if Audeze maxwell fixed their PC EQ software ? i remember 2 or 3 videos of yours you talked about this but its been months now. i just wonder.... about to get them in 2 weeks
Interested to see a full review on the U2!
Amazing watching how far you've come! The quality of your videos is insane
Really good video and long time fan but I wished the conversation about polling rates were more around the sensor itself. I usually like 2k-4k polling rates due to consistency and halfed delay from 1k polling and less about the input delay of clicks. But at the same time I usually never see click latency testing so that's pretty cool!
Would love to see reviewers checking the flatness of the base of mice since i have noticed a lot have a banana base which ruins how the skates glide and in some cases like zowie C series mice like the FK most of the bottom skate does not make contact with the pad causing the top skate to be flat and grippy vs a loose feeling bottom skate which ruins the overall glide.
Choosing it over the GPX 2 as well?
YOU ARE A BANGER! SIR
You intending to do a Sony Pulse Elite review? Would love to see your thoughts on it.
Hey every razer viper v3 review missed the chance the charge information like for instance does it use the v2 charge magnetic dock?
id like to see testing on the sensor placement, ill admit i fell for the marketing but it might just be that i switched to the orochi which was a smaller mouse to begin with
Casually flexing the Dan Clark E3 in that panning shot
😁 good eye
now how do I choose between this and Deathadder V2 PRO.... I main a basilisk v3 pro but want a light mouse for pure fps shooters. Also another thing, I use the razer mousedock that has the dongle built in so I can use 8k polling on my basilisk but would I be able to also connect another razer mouse to that for the polling? I know I wont be able to charge with it but just for pure 8k polling so I dont need to have another dongle/cable
Will you please review tje upcoming roccat, i mean tirtle beach pure air? I love that shape and kone pro air so superlight version is exciting to me
Can you do a viedeo about the new wooting jade switches 🙏
When will we see the Pulsar xlite v3 review BadSeed? :)
The reality of polling rates you described is very much how I feel too. Let's stop sensationalizing it 😅
cause is not a Pulsar or a Lamzu , right? or a EndGame gear with a cable , that ya hype "feeling better or the best " but Rting show that is even below on click latency and or Sensor DPI latency of most 4k wireless . No hate , i watch both of you and follow your content but almost feel like you guys get paid by certain Chinese brands to hype their product , but when is about big brand like Logi or Razer you guys have always somethig negative to say "marketing" , whenever Razer came with 8k ya said it was no noticeable, when ever End Game Gear came with this 8k wired , ya were drooling about. It is Mind blowing, make the credibility of “ reviews “ look bad.
@@Expresso_Gaming first off I dont review anymore. I havent for over 9 months now. 2nd Ive never said 4k or 8k is better on cheaper brands. Actually Ive never bought into the marketing hype of 4k since the start. Anyone who follows me on socials knows that... I personally was hyped about end game gears OP1 wired series because the value gamers were getting with multiple low price points. and I ultimately purchased the regular 1k version with my own money. While empirical data done by sites like Rtings is important for seeing where the average is for the industry and how close brands come to their claims, its far from something that translates to a night and day benefit to gamers as some like to sensationalize. Also that is what Badseed was trying to convey in this video. My ultimate goal when speaking on polling rate is to make gamers feel comfortable with using their current gear if it still operates fine, and to not be sucked into the FOMO of this from any brand. That all said, from a hobbyist perspective I love the advancements in sensor tech and switches, its just cool to see where brands can go with it. *I edited this to add: There is no "better" or "best" in gaming mice, these days it really just comes down to subjective points and what each gamer is looking for. Luckily we are flush with options from many different brands.
@@Expresso_Gaming my original reply went away? so ill reply again. First off, I havent reviewed for over 9 months, I stepped away entirely. 2nd , I never claimed cheaper brands had better 4k or 8k implementation, nor have I ever bought into the 4k/8k polling hype from any brand actually. Anyone who follows me on socials knows that.... In terms of the OP1 wired series, I and others were hyped about it because of the value it provided for gamers across multiple low price points. I personally purchased a 1k version of the mouse with my own money. Back to polling rate, while empiracal data from sites like Rtings is valuable for setting a standard and fact checking if brands are true to their claims, its far from a night and day difference as many like to sensationalize (also what Badseed was trying to convey in his video) That all said, from the perspective of a hobbyist I love the advancement in tech and its great to see what brands can do to squeeze more out of peripherals. In the end I just want gamers to feel okay with using their current gear if its operating fine and to not get pulled into the FOMO around all this created by brands. One last point, there is no "best" or "better" mouse, these days it really boils down to personal preferences and its extremely subjective. Luckily we are flush with options from several brands.
@@Expresso_Gaming The price probably plays a huge part on their perspective. At $159 US without internal battery component, this particular mouse and Razer mice in general better get EVERYTHING right, when mice at 1/4 -> 1/2 their price has similar specs.
@@Expresso_Gaming it's not about the price or the brands. It's a universal statement for high polling rate and how people hype it as some night and day difference, it's not. I don't care what brand people buy. Also I haven't been in the review scene for over 9 months ...
How does the main clicks feel compared to V2? Heavier or lighter?
whats that skull he has in the intro? i think he uses the same thing on a keycap? just curious
Do you recommend it over finalmouse ?
What are my options for a superlight 2 but with more side buttons? Thank you for all your great content and honest in depth reviews!
Logitech g903
Love the video as usual. I see you rocking them Dan Clark E3’s! Very nice
I trying to decide between gpx 2 or this viper v3 pro any suggestions?
1st, Woof - looking good sir. 2nd, it not working on the wireless charging/hyperpolling dock is criminal.
8:59 nice "Artisans"
Brian can i buy that tool from FM? cause i want it
I love my v3. The only reason i got it was because of the shape and size. I feel like sensor/connectivity tech is SO good now that you shouldn't Even really worry about it when comparing mice for the general person. In this day and age, find the most that's most comfortable and skip the marketing bs.
I'm pretty sure I spy a pair of Dan Clark E3's in one of the b roll shots. I miss the headphone reviews!
what mouse pad was that?
This channel has basically become the gold standard for hardware reviews. Thanks for your continuous high level content man.
@ 8:10 What is with the Aluminum Foil in the battery compartment?!
still very happy with my 2020 viper ultimate
what mouse pad is that?
Is this good for claw
Side note...the beard is on point....I cut my hair and others and I am contemplating barberschool, so I tend to notice good grooming....content is of course outstanding....keep up the good work and grooming...
Very bummed they moved the sensor back. I love forward sensors, they feel very different for flicking. Guess I'll just stick to my CM MM712 and its old tech. Really wish pwnage would release more mice with the movable sensor.
4K and 8K is actually such a marketing ploy.
Exactly. Reduced battery life for half a mil faster response. It’s not noticeable
Razer just need to create something similar to the Omron optical switches (used by ninjutso/sprime) for their mice and it will be near perfect.
Looking forward to the keyboard video. I recently went back to a mechanical keyboard. The Wooting 60HE is an amazing piece of engineering, but Wootility makes GHub look like Jessica Alba… After having to reset that many times I’ll take a mechanical anytime.
Ghub is absolute garbage. It's the only piece of software i've ever used that has uninstalled itself multiple times.
You’re doing something wrong. I literally never have to reset anything. It just works.
@@HOLY_FRIJOLES There’s not very many ways to use it: you go to the site and your profile is there or not.
@@sephondranzer every time I turn my computer on it’s on my preferred profile. The only time it’s on default is if there is a power outage.
That NZ Caps NMLB toy is bonkers! I love it lol Also, not surprising that Razor is killing the mouse game.
just ordered one of these, currently using the OP1 8k and while its really good with the best buttons ive ever used, its just too damn small, shame.
So they made the viper a deathadder but without an ergo shape?
the feature where it will auto switch to a higher polling rate while in game, and turn it off when not, is a game changer. definitely the best thing about this mouse. this is a gpx2 killer.
I don't think it could be a gpx2 killer because as we could see in the video it didn't have anything that surpasses the Gpx2 in big numbers. But the thing about the Viper V3 is the shape. Some people will like more the GPX2 shape and others the Viper V3 shape. But in the end, it won't kill the gpx2 but we can say it is equal to It.
And the Change in polling rates between games and work or anything else is not a big thing you just need hands to do it yourself :) And as BadSeed said just avoid 4-8k polling rates.
this can be done very easily through software updates to GHUB lolol. We'll see it in a few months from now.
bro looking like a greek god with that amazing beard! Wish i had one like that 😂
Does anyone know how to pair a DAV3 with the hyperpolling dongle of the VV3? I've updated all firmware from the dongle, synapse, and the DAV3 but I still don't see the ability to utilize the hyperpolling on the DAV3
I just got a normal one, and I like it a lot. I bought the Viper 2 Pro at a total price, and while it was good, It never became my go-to mouse. Pulsars have been my go-to mice for the last year, and a Lamzu Thorn and Atlantis Mini in between. $150 or more for a mouse is ridiculous, though.
literally bought the deathadder v3 pro yesterday, RIP
159USD is why I find myself buying Chinese mice for a quarter of the price. Peripheral prices are insane from the big companies now
I'm right there with you. Switched from a Viper Ultimate to a Lamzu Maya and have been incredibly happy with it. Cheaper, better QA, and a better size imo.
@wilkers46 I went with the VXE R1 Pro Max and it's been better than any mouse I've bought from Razer or Logitech. I'm no mouse expert but for its price I'll take it any day over a Viper or GPro
yeah but downloading their spyware to be able to adjust the mouse almost makes it not worth it lol
You can buy a decent gaming mouse plus a good wireless ergo mouse for normal use and still have money spare. Less money on marketing (8K), plus latest optical switches.. and more on quality materials and components. Decent scroll wheel and tactile switches that don't feel, ping and play like mush. And I don't trust Razer's QC. At $160, I'd expect the mouse to be perfect but we all know there will be issues months down the line.
It’s cheap because u give them your info , same thing with Temu
Mousepad please??
really sad they took away the right side hotkeys cant find any other decent upgrade to my v2
I'll never give up my G502 Lightspeed with Powerplay mat!
I love the powerplay mat. I have like 12 mice and I get sick of charging them. All my Logitech ones I just plop on the mat when I leave the room. It’s awesome
Will we be seeing a 2024 Mode SixtyFive review soon? 😅
Guess going to have to wait for that Viper Mini wireless just a bit longer. I don't want to cop the new batch of the Signature to drop. I just want a reasonably priced viper mini wireless without the holes man.
The Viper mini wireless is dead. Now you have to get the cobra or nothing
Looks like you're out of the loop. Razer reps have explicitly stated that the Cobra is the Viper Mini replacement. They will not be making another Viper Mini with the old shape.
If i use 1000 hz on mouse i can see on screen some tearing vs 4000hz its not placebo i play very fast fps games and yep... there it is 1000hz tearing have not so huge but u can notice.
Lamzu thorn(black) vs v3 pro?
On my copy the left and right buttons feels kinda weird- it’s like heavy - mushy and crisp at the same time. Anyone with that problem ?
Bought a Viper V2 Pro one year ago to the date and the scroll wheel is malfunctioning. I also had to reach out to Razer a month ago to replace the wireless dongle, which would no longer connect to the mouse. Pretty bad QC on a $150 mouse so I will not be purchasing the V3 and will look for a different option.
The cool thing about razer is you get 15% off for students so it’s like 126usd 170cad and that’s a great price
Currently using the original "Viper 8k" wired at 20k dpi the only value add would be the 35k dpi needing to swap batteries every 17 hrs? lol no or charge it every single day? nope
The 8K polling not only wrecks battery life but it also substantially impacts your system CPU performance and can easily overwhelm weaker CPUs to the point that you can actually be throwing away a lot of FPS from you game just to get an extra 0.1ms less of latency. It's completely insane and I would love for this trend to stop already. 1k is great, 2k at most. Above 2k you are just wasting your system resources. If this doesn't stop we will see 30K polling rates soon that will literally HALVE your in-game fps for an extra 0.0001ms less of mouse latency. I have a DAV3 Pro and I still use the stock 1k dongle. Zero regrets. I tried a razer 4K dongle from a friend once and couldn't for the life of me tell absolutely any difference, with both laptops side by side with both mice connected. And Razer now also has 4k polling keyboards... why??? Your system WILL DIE with an 8k mouse + 8K keyboard.
Don't mind me waiting here for the Basilisk Signature Edition 🙄
Finally a youtube channel who actually care about price and value... Thank you. This looks a great mice, but my Pulsar Xlitev3 is 100$ man... There is no way this worth the 60% extra.
Now please make a new 50g Deathadder. The DA V3 Pro is great but i want the mouse a bit lighter and with better batterylive :D
I hope it doesn't creak like Deathadder V3 Pro after a few months.
my favourite tech youtuber with optimum! love from germany
Yo thanks so much!
Do the V3 skates fit on the pro?
No they don't.
just copped this coming in a few hours !!
Only 30 seconds in and I find this video so good. You put your videos really well together. Its quick, straight to the point, and all the good stuff
Should say "higher is better" at 7:18.
I really wish all the brands copied the Logitech G502 X's infinity scrollwheel which allows you at a click of a small button to switch the scrollwheel from stepped which they all do, to infinite scroll which is basically free spinning the scrollwheel. I only use the stepped scroll while gaming whereas I frequently use the infinite scroll while surfing the web and its ergonomically far nicer using the smooth scroll while using office programs such as MS Word and PDF's or when reading ebooks. Curently I'm switching to my 40g Ninjutso Sora V2 only for gaming and back to my Logitech for everything else. I do also wish light gaming mice had a sniper button though smaller version that the G502 X has as it makes a really convenient Discord voice chat button i can use while I'm actively shooting for faster calls without disrupting my gameplay.
Always a good day when badseed uploads
they better make a mini version
I don't know how I feel about razer, I used to be a fan of razer but lately I've been experiencing issues with mousewheel even some people who bought razer mice after my suggestion had some issues, I don't know maybe I'm just biased by this experiences, but I went on a shopping spree and got gpx2 last year and the ULX tiger, and they are both great in their on way. Plus I will pick up an EGG op18k probably cause I read good things about it and I want to go back to something wired. I agree with your statement about polling I'm still using all the mice at 1k polling cause when you go wireless battery life is the most important factor to me. That fuck you enter keycap at the end is a nice touch ahahah
razer should include a pair of extra mouseskates in every flagship mouse and even budget mouse
It sounds pretty cool as this one does seem to solve many of the issues i had with the OG Viper such as flatness and flares but just checked locally, 200€ on the dot is just a no-no in todays market. Loved the polling rate part, the placebo driven Andy's are coming for you so sleep with your eyes open. Their most common argument is "your setup bad" so lets see what they'll come with at you who have tried everything premium.
Higher polling rates are not about latency (even though marketing wants to convince us of that) but about fluidity. Especially on high refresh rate monitors and higher DPI, you can absolutely see (and i guess therefor feel) 4k and 8k. But 8k on my V2 Pro sucks, wouldnt recommend. I do enjoy your reviews and your glorious beard though ♥
Even more when using acceleration programs like RawAccel. Higher polling rate + motion sync + high dpi (lowered later down the chain) will make sure no matter how fast or slow the wipe is, it will always be pixel perfect (not taking into account human error)
ok but pulsar x2h mini where
27 seconds ago is crazy
5:50 "i dont have replacement feet to replace this" ... its pretty wild a mouse reviewer doesnt have dot skates laying around. Im not a youtuber and i always have dot skates just in case i need them for replacement.
Wish it had two more buttons on the right.
Honestly, this should have been a different line altgether. The profile and not fingertipping the mouse as easily makes this really different
i was hoping the deather/mamba upgrde in 2024
2:11 the old logitech g500 had the sensor up there too, made for really intuitive flick aiming. Most gamers have muscle memory for centered sensors, would take a few hundred hours dedicated to a forward sensor to start getting a proper feel for it. There's a happy medium between centered and forward for both general feel and flicks.
That price is crazy. I really think reviewers need to push back against these insane mouse prices now. I got a Pulsar Xlite V3 Large and it's almost half the price of this with the same features other than polling. It's really not worth it.
u kinda look the glorious gaming logo if he were bald
Finally a somewhat larger mouse! As a person with rather large hands, I dont like the small mouse trend. This mouse makes me happy!
the ultimate and the V2 were too flat for me, hopefully this will be better
Gpx2 or this?
Viper
Maybe he meant sensor 3395?
Burst air 2 is comming at 47 grams... I ordered it for 90 bucks, instead of 179 euro of this one in Germany.
sensor placement stupid, what a shame, I was looking forward to this. And now itl be a slightly disapointing purchase
WE DEMAND A MINI VERSION
Just received my Viper V2 Pro yesterday, should i return it and get the V3 Pro or stick with it?
if you like the shape of the v2 there's no point looking elsewhere, the v3 has flat sides and a larger hump so will feel completely different
Does it come in white
Yes
hey badseed, whats ur audio setup for cod?
why did you stop saying you ready lets go 😢
I've gotten to the point where I'm taking my mice apart and sending them out for cerakote because of the wear on them. At worst it will be a touch slick from sweat/oil but it doesn't wear down at all so far after 6 months when normally I'd be seeing clear wear pattern on the buttons and all. Quick wipe down and good to go.
If you are talking keyboards can you give some love to the Rog Strix Scope II 96 wireless? Great breakdown of the product as always.