The real problem with self-defense techniques are when they work
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The real problem with self defense techniques isn’t when it doesn’t work, it’s when your self defense ninja fighting moves DO work that you’ll run into trouble.
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Self defense is indeed a legal term. It is also an admission of guilt with the caveat of necessity. This happened and I had no choice but to do that, to protect myself. The important part to pay attention to here is, "I had no choice". A man tries to stab you, you manage to avoid the knife and kick him in the groin, If the bad guy falls to his knees holding his groin, that's self defense if you then kick him on the head and he dies because of the kick, that's assault. Congratulations, you are now a criminal. When did you become a criminal? the moment you stopped the aggressor (on his knees, holding his groin) once you had stopped him you CONTINUED to attack him. Any police officer will arrest you for it. Any prosecutor will take you to trial for it and any jury will convict you. Self defense is a serious legal term. I suggest you pay for a couple of hours of an experienced criminal defense attorney's time and have them explain the concept to you. Spare yourself the horror of fighting for your freedom in a court room. The fun doesn't end there, say you go to trial and are found not guilty, well you may now have to worry about a civil trial for wrongful death with a much lower threshold of proof. Fun fun. The short point is, know what you are talking about when throwing the term self defense out there, your freedom and future prosperity depend on it. Oh, and remember that a trained fighter has a higher degree of responsibility in self defense situations because they are a "trained fighter".
"When did you become a criminal? the moment you stopped the aggressor (on his knees, holding his groin) once you had stopped him you CONTINUED to attack him. ... *any jury will convict you*." Is it though? Does the aggressor stopped becoming a threat when he is on he knees? Can he not easily recover and continue the attack? As the claim of "any jury". If I as a jury, it will not be as clear cut and I will look at the situation. Supposed that a 100kg potential rapist holding a knife was kicked in the groin by a 50kg woman, then the woman soccer kicked him in the head when he was on the ground. I think it is not unreasonable to think that the woman is still in "genuine fear of imminent physical harm" even after the 100kg man was holding his groin.
Not a great example. A knife-wielding attacker poses a deadly threat, and therefore you'd be justified in responding with deadly force. While it may be more practical to run away, depending on the circumstances, the mugger does not-as @utomocalvin pointed out-stop being a deadly threat just because he's stunned for a few seconds. John Correia at Active Self Protection does a great job of explaining various legalities of self-defense using real life examples.
@@utomocalvin I wrote my comment before reading your reply. Thank god somebody has some fucking sense. I'm so tired of reading peoples fantasies like its a comic book story. If someone messed someone up after they tried to attack them "unnecessarily" I am giving a LOT of wiggle room to the self defendant. If you have a 5'0 ft daughter, are you going to tell her that she needs to stop hitting after she established " control"???? ( holy shit, i didn't finish your comment before writing my reply. You REALLY have some sense.I went through the same thought process LMAOOOOO)
I wish more people would talk about things like this. A friend of mine once put it perfectly, "doing something that's going to get you sent to prison for the next 10 years isn't effective self defense".
Nor is potentially allowing somebody to kill you. ✌️
@@paulpelle3046 nor is assuming everyone on the street is trying to kill you. Life isn't John Wick. If you (royal you, not you specifically) need to constantly be on edge that you are going to get jumped by blood thirsty murder knights, it's quite possible that you're the problem in this scenario.
@@cthulhu-jitsu7404 I don’t live that way at all, nor does any sensible and rational human being. However, I know that if unavoidable trouble comes my way, I can deal with it both physically AND legally. This is taking ownership of one’s safety AND liberty in an increasingly-troubled world. This necessity is amplified when you have children. Very few people out there are intent on killing you bro (using your ‘royal you’), but a high percentage are stupid (especially when intoxicated and in a large male group). Your passive-aggressive comments aren’t helpful, or based on reality. My comments are all based on nearly half a century on Planet Earth, a good knowledge of criminal law, and numerous personal experiences of having successfully defended myself. My intention has been to help and inform others...not to advocate fighting ‘on da streetz’. Get real, and grow up basically. Best of luck to ya. 🙏
I have been a student of a particular reality-based self defence system, and as part of my first grading we sat through a lecture that covered the specific laws around self-defence and assault in our state. One of the key points we were drilled on was this: that a key question you will be asked by the prosecution in a court of law is did you have the opportunity to leave before the situation escalated to becoming physically violent. Because if you did have the opportunity to leave before the first punch was thrown and you did not take that opportunity, that alone will weigh heavily against you before the jury. Almost all altercations are avoidable. It just takes one person to be humble and say sorry matey you’re right it was my mistake and back away. 9 times out of 10 nothing will come of it. It’s also vital that all young men especially learn the Rules of Stupid. Don’t go to stupid places at stupid hours with stupid people and do stupid things. If you follow the Rules of Stupid once again, 9 times out of 10 you’ll avoid trouble.
@@wattlebough "Don't go to stupid places at stupid hours with stupid people and do stupid things". THIS!!!!! ALL OF THIS!!!!!!
As a martial artist of 38 years plus, teaching both martial arts and self defence - YOU SIR... Are absolutely right.
If anyone can explain why my phone started talking to me about halfway through this video, please let me know in the comments. I’m concerned about the AI robot uprising.
There are Martians inside your phone. They are insidious as bad as Land Sharks....but seriously if you have an Android (or possibly with Iphony) there is Google voice which can be programmed to do thing like translate and give you info like directions....and sometimes it will wake up erroneously and try to speak
at 7:35 your phone heard "serious " and mistook it for Siri
Are you still rockin’ an iPhone 6 Ramsey? 🤔 (I legitimately AM...and my phone occasionally does similar bizarre sheee 🤷♂️)
Glitch. Or it was possessed may the powers of Christ compel it 💦💦💦💦May the powers of Christ compel it 💦💦💦💦
If you have Google assistant or Siri or Samsung's Bixby and say something that sounds like "Hey Google" or whatever the phrase that the phone app is listening for to start listening to you to do a task, it will start working
In conclusion: streetfight enthusiasts who practise non-competitive martial arts and claim their techniques are too dangerous for combat sports have it reversed: it's combat sports that are too dangerous for the streets. This is the best reversal I've seen in a while.
Many of these self defense videos appeal to the power/revenge fantasy of people which are bereft of consequence. Been thinking of this topic often, coach. Thank you for covering this. 🙏🏼
As someone who studied self defense for years, this video is 100% correct. It’s a shame that coach’s / trainers / practitioners like this catch so much flak from others.
No. Read my comments.
The most successful "self defence" technique I ever used: A woman whom I'm going to guess had experience with meth was on the train with me, and said classic lets start a fight words: "What the f**k are you staring at?" and so I responded, 'Oh my gosh you just look so much like a friend of mine.' She was completely stunned for a moment and then said, 'Oh yeah? Ok? You look familiar too? Maybe we've seen each on the train, well have a nice day.' Not a single punch or elbow to the back of the head. Why aren't we teaching de-escalating situations first? (I mean, I kinda know, this is mostly a rhetorical question).
That's such a genius way to deflect a confrontation
@@maxford1798 Thanks.
This is legit I've used it myself a few times and it's crazy how well it works
Because everyone knows how to cowtow and avoid. Self defense is about what happens when you can’t avoid.
that's a low-proability defense. A simple slap would have had the same effect to deescalate the situation
Our coach actually makes us learn the self-defence laws here in Germany, including what tools are allowed and what isn't. And you're completely right, it's never simple and always complicated. In the end it's the in court's decision to decide was alright and what wasn't. And what confounds it even more is the fact that you as the defender can get unlucky and simply knock someone out, have them fall down on their head and die, and then you're in for a whole different ride with the law.
Everyone teaching a self defense course needs to do exactly that: make sure their students understand the law.
@@RamseyDewey absolutely correct. Many lives have been destroyed in England by PRECISELY what you said: one punch, falling back, hitting head...dead. Pretty sure there’s a documentary on Netflix and/or BBCiPlayer about the tragedy of 1-punch deaths. It will generally lead to a conviction for manslaughter, cf. murder...IF you’re lucky. But the guilt would still last a lifetime. ...I probably need to listen to my own advice tbh. 🤷♂️
I think i saw a video 10 years ago from deutch goverment advising on womens self defense and it looked like: Pull your hand out, with your palm up, and say NO! (Nein). I never thought there are more options in Deutchland
In den meisten Fällen wird von der Polizei sowieso eine wechselseitige Körperverletzung aufgenommen und dann muss das Opfer/der Verteidiger seine Rechtfertigungsgründe beweisen.
fun fact: in guam if you are trained in any “martial arts” ie even fake one and you defend yourselves, you get into more trouble😂 only place in the world that equate martial arts as weapon except when you are a service member.
Happy birthday bro! 🥳 🎂 This video was spot-on. I’m legally trained Ramsey, and knowing the law has genuinely saved my ass several times in life (I’ve been formally interviewed by police after fighting, more than once) 😬 It’s all about reasonableness in the U.K., ‘reasonable force’. What’s reasonable force? It’s a level of force that’s reasonable in the circumstances. Someone swings a bat at you...you can pick up that tree branch next to you and swing it at them. Basically, there has to be an equivalence of force. They used to call it ‘bode of resentment’, but that’s kinda an outdated term now. A dude punched me first, and I basically hurt him pretty badly...but as soon as he said, “Alright, alright!” I stopped. Also, people hugely misunderstand what an assault actually is. There needn’t be ANY physical contact to your person. If you anticipate immediate and unlawful physical violence, you may launch a ‘pre-emptive strike’. Someone shouting aggressively in your face and gesticulating will suffice...but your strike cannot be unreasonable. This is also the standard (generally) in the U.S. too (since a lot of American law is based upon English common law). 🙏 *Edit* I know some smartass will talk about swinging a 🦇, but I meant a baseball bat (obviously 🤣🤦♂️).
I apologize, but I simply can't stop myself: How did you become a legally trained Ramsey?
@@theelysium1597 don’t apologise for not understanding basic English...just get an education instead 👍🤭😄
@@paulpelle3046 thank you for not shaming me because of my bad English. Would you please educate my uneducated German ass by explaining how the proper noun and object Ramsey is grammatically used in the sentence we both referred to above?
@@theelysium1597 my message was directly to Ramsey, you idiot. Nicht vergessen! 🙄🤦♂️ *Edit* you’re doing nothing to dispel the perception that Germans aren’t funny.
A legally trained Ramsey *will* increase your chances of survival! 😄
Seeing Ramsey find out what Siri is is the pinnacle of serotonin
Regarding "self defence" the question people should ask themselves is, how would this look from a jury's point of view? And while your testimony will be important, your victim's testimony will also be important and will most likely contradict your testimony.
I think it depends on the situation. If a crazy man suddenly pulls a knife at my son, I’d rather take 10 years in jail, than risk losing my son.
@@ricksterdrummer2170depending on the state, you wouldn’t even go to trial for that scenario. It wouldn’t even make it past preliminary examination in most stand your ground states. In certain states you’re allowed to pursue an assailant with the use of deadly force even after the altercation has ended and you, or someone you witnessed being assaulted, is no longer under threat of deadly force. Texas law basically says you don’t know that the assailant won’t continue on a spree of violence. He definitely missed on this one by trying to generalize upfront and claim no court of law would allow it when most states would never even send it to trial if you believed you were under threat of severe bodily harm.
Comes back the the saying, a top gun pilot knows how to avoid a situation where he needs to use his top gun skills. No.1 rule of self defence is distance, the further away from a situation where violence is an option the more defended you are.
Guns....
@@hasanyaseen5547 just without the s
I know you have talked about this topic a lot, but this is probably the best and most concise way you have explained your meaning out of any of them. Good video.
"If you don't understand the law you don't understand self defense." That is a brilliant way to look at it and it's very true.
This is intensely important, and seldom discussed in ”self defense” forums. Thank you.
"On the street's, there are no rules!" Folks, yes there are, they are these things called law's, the thing is that once a fight start's, in most cases rule's will not apply until afterwards, when you can be tried in court as Ramsey is detailing to you. So regardless of if what you're doing is effective and justified in the moment, the "Rule's" might not agree with you.
Basically, in this screwed society, day and age, if fight comes to you choice is being either convict or evidence in the case.
As you know, I'm a fundamentalist practitioner of Classical Chinese martial arts, and I agree with your entire video, including wondering why the phone talks back! 😁 I've had people over the years ask me to teach them self defense, and I've always told them to go to your local police station to learn the law for self defense, and to find out how people get into those situations in the first place. The sword and arrow Samurai and OK Corral Wild West days are over, self defense is knowing and following the law. It had nothing to do with martial arts, and I mean exactly that. NOTHING. My pet peeve is people asking why do I train with the 3 section staff or spear when it won't help me on the street. Idiots.
Yeh, play by the law when you have no way out and that person pulls a knife and has every intention of killing you or seriously hurting you, these laws are going to get people killed.
"'Cause it's really fun" should be the answer. That's why I train with swords, knives and axes. I certainly would never use one of those in streets either.
@@dacedebeer2697 Good answer!
Best self-defense tactics imo: prevention, de-escalation, running away. I've been using these all my life, never been in street fights and only been robbed once when I was a kid. I find it very weird that a lot of the so-called "self-defense" videos don't focus on the "defense" part of fighting (distance management, blocking, head movement, footwork, takedown defense, grappling escapes), instead it's usually some supposed one magic move that supposedly wins every fight. Imo people who want to learn how to defend themselves should worry about learning the defense techniques mentioned above first, then worry about learning striking & submissions. Maybe that's a topic you could talk about in a future video.
I'm a student of Machida Karate and most of the self-defense techniques are grappling based or escape based to provide an opportunity to either subdue an attacker without causing much damage or creating an opening to run away. The rest of the art is helpful for self-defense as it covers the basics of fighting as in striking, blocking, and countering, but it's mostly a combat art for competition. I think this is a good, solid mix.
"Best self-defense tactics imo: prevention, de-escalation, running away." You are making a blanket generalization and speaking in absolutes. Real life is not black-and-white; it is full of shady gray areas. If the only things we ever needed to do were to prevent, de-escalate, and walk away; then nobody would ever need any martial arts training. You are doing what schoolteachers do - teaching children to be doormats. That is actually a terrible lesson to teach children.
" *prevention, de-escalation, running away [...] never been in street fights* " So how do you know that will actually work? I've been attacked on the street a bunch of times, I even ended up in a situation described in this video (sitting on the guy's back and contemplating rabbit punching him). What I mean, many people have quite a naive idea of which de-escalation approach will actually work. Being nice and running away will likely work equally well as being meek and trying to run away from an aggressive dog, while standing your ground might result in an actual de-escalation. From my experience, the people who are likely to assault you (or yours) on the street are predatory in nature. They want an easy victim and easy street cred. If you do not look and behave like an easy victim (nice, meek, ready to run), they are more likely to leave you alone. BTW - They will defend their egos and public image, so being unnecessarily aggressive is obviously stupid. Yeah, it's a balancing act. Not my fault, that life is too complicated for simplistic answers.
@@bakters Well said, bakters. As Machiavelli said, “Only power checks power.” Reagan stood his ground against the Soviets. In the long run, it did eventually de-escalate the tensions. Do people ever tell a woman that if she is confronted by a rapist, that “it is better to walk away”? Oh, please. I hate it when adults and schoolteachers teach children to be doormats with black-and-white generalizations that “it’s always better to walk away”.
@@perfectsplit5515 " *adults and schoolteachers teach children to be doormats* " That is true, they do that. I wonder why. Because, as I'm sure you are aware of, that attitude simply begs to be exploited. If you teach your kids to never stand up to a bully, even the weakest bullies will become extremely successful, which will make bullying seem like a decent school career prospect. So, why they do it anyway? Meaning, why do we create easily exploitable youths? I've gone cynical over the years, so I have my ideas why that is so.
I once got tackled, i managed to turn it around took his back but he still had my arm so i hit him once in the back and got up to escape, i still got in trouble but not as much as i could have since it was justifiable under the laws where i was living at the time... still was fines to be paid
Yep. That’s reality! Even the “good guys” still need to answer to the law at the end of the day.
Dunno what jurisdiction you’re speaking of, but that 100% would NOT have happened in England. What you described is an extremely clear case of reasonable force...unless you’re skimping on detail here buddy. 🤷♂️🤔
@@paulpelle3046 to my admittedly terrible memory that's what happened... if i'm skimping on details i have forgotten them
@@HunterGargoyle then there’s absolutely no way that transpired in my country bro. ✌️
Ramsey, Several months ago you corrected me about something in regards to self defense and I humbly listened, I allowed your correction its proper place... your very informed and others should learn from you as well. Happy birthday by the way.
I'm not a MMA fighter and at the same time I enjoy the sport. I do however understand what you're videos are for, and I find you to be a man of truth. Thank you for the wisdom you share both in the ring and out in the world.
Happy birthday man! I love when you talk about self defence in these clear, honest terms 👍
Ramsey, I really appreciate you explaining all of this even though you are probably tired of saying this in multiple videos every year. Before I trained bjj, I came from a traditional martial arts/reality based self defense kind of background before and I definitely was guilty of the "martial arts = self defense = fighting" fallacy that so many people fall into. While some people get angry or have an emotional reaction to realizing their understanding of martial arts is wrong/misguided, I feel I have benefitted greatly from your thoughts and explanations. In many ways, it has allowed me to appreciate martial arts more since each martial art can appreciated for what it is (IE its own unique rule set or practice methods) rather than having to judge all of them through this nonsense lens of "wiLL it wOrk In DA STReeTZ????" Keep up the great work and awesome videos!
I love hearing all your advice about combat sports and self defense
happy bday ramsey. Thanks for all you share with us. It's helped me in my fighting development tremendously
Happy Birthday Ramsey!!!! Enjoy your videos!!
Ramsey, this is such GREAT advice and antidote (or answer) to the nonsense that most people never even think of. Most things in life can be gotten through without fighting or threatening and all that. I fully realize you have to lay out the arguments because some people don't get it, and the question you received was....loaded? I would call it a "moving the goalpost" type of question. However, they couldn't move it past your logic and I really like that! You nailed it!
I have to say that of all these utube videos about martial arts , Ramsey Dewey always makes sense .
Happy birthday to you, and thanks for the gift you made to us with this video (and the channel in general).
Thanks a bunch Ramsey
Very well put. Thank you.
Happy birthday Ramsey!! Love what you’re doing :)
@Ramsey Dewey thank you so much for clarifying the difference between self defense and when a person takes it beyond that point. Awesome video. Oh and Happy Birthday Bro. Mines was yesterday. Peace 👍🏾✌🏿👏🏾👏🏾👊🏾🙏🏾
Happy late birthday!
Ramsey is just the best in explaning the reality of martial arts. 👏👏👏👏👏
Awesome explanation and breakdown. I completely agree with you. And you are completely correct in terms of self defense.
There are several interviews about a one punch accidental killer on youtube. His friends got into a bar fight, he went to defend them, threw one punch that ended one guy's life and ruined his own. He spent years in prison and has to live with guilt forever. Highly recommend.
As someone that taught self defense for 5 years, and practiced many different combat arts over 20 years before that, I have frequently told every one of my students that if they are taking significant long lasting damage of any kind from any source then they are practicing bad self defense... the best self defense is not to be present when and/or where there is danger, the second best self defense is the utilization of certain techniques to significantly reduce or more preferably negate damage and/or danger to ALL parties present as much as possible. This is what makes a great self defense instructor worth their weight in gold... Because they'll teach you about exercise, driving, psychology, law, aging, and so much more that you can actually use daily in your everyday living. Even when a situation demands combative self defense technique it is extremely unlikely to be defending yourself or others in a street fight and far more likely to be defending yourself or others from a friend or family member that has become impaired as a result of substance abuse or in the case of a child utilizing such techniques a case of domestic abuse (because as you said it isn't what you know, it's what you can prove... most people accept that bad things happen but don't want to accept responsibility for not getting involved in putting a stop to some of those bad things so sadly there are many children that should and will learn self defense to protect themselves from their family members). To be honest I wish we didn't need self defense techniques, I wish we would appreciate legitimate self defense instructors more by learning what they were interested in teaching us, and I wish that we wouldn't be so quick to dismiss or diminish those that have been through such events in their lives that we respond to their pain with compassion more than criticism... in that order. But this world is a dangerous place, and we make it so... I won't ignore that fact (nor will I continue to try to change it, that's why I quit... we can afford to spend hundreds of dollars a month on alcohol and tobacco products, but can't afford to spend even minimum hourly wages on someone teaching us how to protect our backs from injury while lifting heavy objects... it's not the money, it's the lack of priority that made me quit... I got better ways of spending my time than to cater to that kind of stupidity).
Happy Birthday ,Coach Ramsey. Thanks for all the bits of wisdom. It's my 45th today. Not sure I'd be doing as well in life without them.
Great video as always Coach, love that shirt!
love your videos man...been a long time listener bro...please keep dropping these jewels...salute
Excellent video!!
Excellent post Ramsey!! Happy birthday 🥳
Great video, as expected. Happy birthday, Mr. Dewey!
Let’s also be clear, if a person enters into a self defense situation, specifically I get attacked, by another person attempting to hurt me, I then go beyond what a court of law would consider a reasonable stopping point, and the court of law decides my actions went “over the line” and I’m sent to jail. The question is “do I care if I’m safe, or if I survive but end up in jail?” Just to be clear, I’m on your side Ramsey, MMA is the greatest sport, and there is some crossover between MMA and street self defense. For those that focus on Street defense I think most of them think “if I survive is all that matters, if I go to jail it’s fine, because I’m the one still breathing”
It's a difficult situation, i can imagine if I was attacked by someone stronger and larger than me, I would take any opportunity for a few elbows to the base of the skull.
Yeah, if you have the option "kill or be killed", many people will decide "kill". But I don't think that Ramsey was suggesting that you let yourself be hurt or killed. I don't wanna explain the video because I won't do it justice in a 2 liner, but perhaps watch it again to get the point?
@TheKlaun9 Ramsey was suggesting no such thing. Ramsey just explained to you that the burden of proof when claiming self defense falls upon you.
Why did Elvis go to jail? Because a guy died when he accidently hit him in the throat, or the plot of a movie?
You are making your own movie inside your head. Why would someone want to use lethal force against you ? In your scenario, are you fighting against 10 bikers in a dark alley ? Are you running from a serial killer in the woods ? In France we have 1,4 Murder for 100 000 habitants each years. The crushing majority of those peoples knew their agressor quite well. A lot of them were womens killed by there husbands or ex boyfriends. Courts are full of young mens who ruined there life over stupids fights. Courts are full of peoples who regrets, who wished they had knew better. I'm teaching future lawyers how to deffend those poor souls. I don't know the country you live in, I can only tell you about what jails are in France. Prisonners are bearly breathing there, in summer. They are usually 4 in ridiculously small cells. Temperatures can often touch 40°C (104 F°). Peapoles get violent in hope they will be thrown into isolement cells. Life is a bit easier in Winter also know as the suicide season. Mental deases are a common thing in Jail. If you didn't had one when you entered you will quickly develop a crippling depression. Ramsey speak the Truth. No one should waste their life because of there misunderstanding of what violence and or self deffence really is. We don't live in fictions, our world is even crueler.
Good one! Made me lough again, thanks Ramsey. Happy Birthday tou YOU!!
Happy birthday Coach 🎉🎁. Thank you for all that you to educate people
Another great video topic Ramsey. There is a fine line between self defence and aggravated assault. Knowing the difference can result in either being regarded as a victim who defended themselves with reasonable force, or being a felon and ending up in prison. Always great topics Ramsey, you should write a book (if you haven't already). You have so much to offer everyone. Cheers from Australia 🙂
Phone intervention🤣 Happy birthday, Ramsey! Thanks for talking sense.
Happy Birthday,your wisdom and advice is helpful.
I've been boxing for about 10 years, and doing judo for 5-6 years. And I've had 6 serious fights in my life. What happened was that I didn't get afraid, but I got deep fears about striking and causing some serious harm. Fortunately my judo kicked in by itself and I got out whole of all the situations without causing injuries.
If there was a good guy to begin with. Good call Coach!
Ramsey, I've periodically watched your videos for a while now, but this convinced me to subscribe. Thank you for saying this. I've worked with a couple of instructors that drill this same thing it into their students' heads, and it has always stuck with me. What you are saying is reality, but it seems like a lot of people want to either neglect or flat out ignore it. I appreciate you educating people about this.
Hi Ramsey, such a great channel and a great martial artist.
Okay, long time fan and viewer as well, and I was gonna original state how I agree with all this. I no longer compete so I focus my training on “self defense” of myself and my daughter. But, lol, I have to admit, the “don’t talk phone” portion was epic lol
Good advice!
As somebody who both works in law enforcement & as a self defence/martial arts instructor this is so on point. Anything more than the "minimum use of force" in order to suppress, subdue or arrest the attacker is considered assault and no longer self defence.
This is good info. Thank you
Thanks for that clarification! I've taken my share of classes - which a majority them discuss legal ramifications.
This guy is awesome, great content, knowledge and that voice and presence. Amazing
Why thank you!
You are absolutely right
Very insightful video. Very interesting points to consider.
Thanks coach
Happy Bday Dewman. May you have many more.
Happy Birthday, another great vid
All jokes aside, I remember some of these scenarios discussed in my criminal law classes in college. One action leading to more lethal consequences could possibly cause the other person’s fatal demise.
AKA. ‘logic’ 👏😄 And I think you’re talking about ‘the chain of causation’ and ‘legal intention’. I.e. in law we ‘intend’ anything and everything which naturally flows from an act/omission upon somebody else...unless and until an intervening act breaks the chain of causation initiated by our original act/omission. This is known as *novus actus interveniens* 🙏
Happy birthday coach! I hope your day is wonderful ✨️
Well said. Well said.
Happy birthday!! Hope it and your whole year are great🎉
Happy birthday Ram!!
Extremely good!
First of all, thanks you for the video and happy birthday to you Mr Ramsey :) Your advices are wise. Here in France, self defense is pretty the same for decades and compares the attack to the self defense : For self defense to apply the attack against which you defend must be : - Unfair : the attacker as no justified reason to attack you like defending himself/herself/yourself (suicide attempts) or others or stopping you in the execution of a felony. Defending yourself against a police officer trying to arrest you is NOT self defense for example. - In progress : the attack is in progress ; if it's not, even if it stopped a few second ago, it's too late to strike back. - Real : the attack must be really dangerous (can inflict injuries) to you or others. If someone hit you with something that can not do harm, you can not strike back and injure that attacker. A punch IS a dangerous attack while someone throwing water at you is not. Then, for self defense to apply, the defense must be : - Necessary : you have no other choice than defending yourself or other ; if you don't act it's obvious that soemone is going to get injuried. - Simultaneous : the defense is set in the same time of the attack. If someone hits you and you block than you strike it's pretty the same time but if that person attacks you than backs off, you can't go after him/her and strike back ; it's no more self defense but revenge... which is an assault. - Proportional : if someone tries to hurt you or others you can use a defense proportional to the supposed damage the attacker can inflict. If someone wants to punch you and you're of equivalent strenght (adult vs adult, male vs male or female vs female etc..) you can't defend with a weapon. If someone obviously stronger punches you or if that person wants to kill you (using a weapon or is yelling "I'm going to kill you" for example), you can use a weapon. As you can figure from this, the acceptation of self defense by a court will mostly based on the interpretations of that court. Things are going to be very ugly for you if your attacker had no weapon and you had one, especially if you're seemingly in an equal or better physical shape than that aggressor. The thing that the court will especially look at is the intentions and state of mind of the persons involved. If the court feels your attacker(s) was/were determined to do harm your odds are good. Multiple attackers are always a good point for you too. Witnesses or video footage are game changers here. As such, as much as you can, try to look like the person who tries to calm others : open hands, cool voice (don't yell unless to call for help) and no insults. The legitimity of self defense can vary from country to country. Here in France, the idea is to discourage citizens to short circuit the police and as soon as the attacker is more injured than the defenser the self defense will be studied carefully.
Happy birthday Ramsay hope you’re doing great! I wish you wellness and happiness! :))
The thing with the phone was funny 😂. Also Happy Birthday 🎉🎊🎂. Thank you for sharing ☺️.
Istg just the TITLES. I love your vids they're so interesting
Congratulations, coach!!! :)
Well, I was never in a really dangerous situation, but when I had a guy throw punches at me in school I deliberately backed up to move us from concrete to grass, then threw him and put him in a lock until he stopped. I did not and certainly do not want to risk the guy falling badly and breaking the base of his skull, for example. It's not only about you in such a situation, but also the other guy. That is unless someone has you cornered and a knife out or something similar. Reasonable force, indeed.
I understand this perspective from a legal standpoint, but I fundamentally find myself disagreeing with the fantasy that the law is written within. When someone attacks you with physical violence outside of a sanctioned situation, you do not know their intentions. You do not know if they have friends or weapons that will become involved. The longer you prolong the fight and do not eliminate the threat and run, the greater risk that may be posed to you. For instance if someone pulls a knife on you and slices you a bit but you disarm them and gain the upper hand, are you going to stop hurting them before you are absolutely sure that they no longer pose a threat to your life or are you going to let them potentially recover and grab the knife?
I guess that the best way for me to summarize my issue is how police are treated when they overreact to a threat here in the US versus how a victim is treated. A police officer can often beat a subdued or downed opponent with multiple other police officers aiding and no other suspects present, whereas a normal citizen has to know exactly when to stop striking back against someone who attacked them first. It is as if the average person must behave as if they are better trained than the police.
@@teemun3979 this exacly if a cop on the swat team for 10 years can use that excuse I Sure as hell can I definitely have less experience then him or should
@@teemun3979 Um. - If someone pulls a knife on you, then 99% you should just give them whatever they want. Not worth the risk. - If you gain the upper hand, then you should use that advantage to get yourself out of the situation. Yes, run away. - Police officers in the USA are largely unconstrained in their use of violence, thanks to qualified immunity. That's wildly unfair, but it's not relevant to this video.
@@patheddles4004 What if the person who pulls a knife on you just wants to stab you as far as you can tell? Should you oblige? That may be unfathomable to some people who have not seen real violence in their life, but it is more common than you think in some places. Ah, yes. Let me allow the still conscious person who literally just tried to kill me to potentially stand up and chase me when I could instead break their arm/leg, or stomp them unconscious to be sure the threat no longer persists. Yes. IF you have the option to break their arm or leg over potentially giving them brain damage, you should. But they attacked an unarmed person with a knife, showing them too much mercy is a good way to get yourself killed. It is relevant in looking at the different extremes different people are held to in practice by the law. The reality of what is fair and pragmatic in self defense is somewhere in between what a civilian and what the police are allowed to do.
Happy birthday, Ramsey 💪🏽💪🏽
Ramsey, awesome Totoro shirt man! Happy late birthday also, hope it was a good one!
Happy Bday coach!! You look super good!
Hey Ramsey. Back in the 90's a guy named Gavin de Becker authored a book entitled the gift of fear. It is a self defense book and some may say it's the best one ever. You have probably already read it but if you haven't and you have anything to do with addressing self defense I believe you should. The book does not explain any punching kicking or grappling techniques whatsoever. Instead it goes way beyond any kind of fighting methods and explains how to survive life or death situations at the core. It is an excellent read in my opinion and I am not aware of any self defense expert whatsoever that says different. If you read and like the book perhaps you could recommend it to your subscribers.
happy birthday ramsey💪🏻
Hey, happy birthday Ramsey!
Longtime viewer, never comment. Two things: 1. Spot on with the legal info 2. My phone has talked to me before and I dismissed it as my fault because on both occasions I had recently used the microphone dictation feature to write a text and thought I somehow left the mic active. Keep up the well thought out content. PS Happy B day
Happy Birthday Coach🙏🏾❤️
I currently live in one of the highest crime areas of America. There are stickers up all around my neighborhood exhorting residents to stop murdering each other so much. Even here, I've never felt like I was at serious risk of getting into a street fight. Basic conflict avoidance pretty much obviates that. Sometimes, but still relatively rarely, there are random shootings. Most of the time you can avoid those by not being involved in the kind of stupid stuff which people get shot over. I've taught kids who got in fights all the time, who were convinced that this sort of thing just happened to people. I watched them get into fights, tried to intervene where I could. It was all very, very avoidable. That's actually the only sort of circumstance where I've been faced with the prospect of getting into serious violence as an adult: stepping into other people's fights. I've stepped in to break up fights now and then, and that can be risky, but it's not as dangerous as nobody stopping the fight. I've been lucky enough that I haven't gotten badly hurt or had to hurt anyone else that way. But the few martial artists I've trained with who've discussed using their skills in serious violent encounters, that's how they ended up in them; not because they were attacked and needed to defend themselves, but because they found themselves in situations where they felt it necessary to defend someone else. Ironically, this is a type of situation which "self defense" instruction very rarely ever addresses.
Streetfight in gun-swollen country?
a good way to say it is there is a difference between self defense and defending yourself
Happy Birthday Ramsey!
You are a very responsable creator. A really like that. It isn't a coincidence that you are the only martial artist here who sometimes talks about self defense and I can still tolerate. Your character is an isnpiration for all of us to do better every day. Now i'm quit writting comments and liturally go to train
Thank you!
The UFC referee example is a solid guideline to know when to stop in such extreme situations. Love how you acknowledge the heavy implications on self defense.
But... i thought streetfights were two dudes meeting at a place and agreeing on 3 round matches with fireballs and flying knees. I've been bamboozled
Ramsey could not be more correct. You are only allowed to use the necessary force to get away or end the danger. Thank you so much for clairofying this because specifically in the United States i see the gun argument self defense misused so often its scary.
Happy Birthday Ramsey....
Well said
Happy birthday birthday 🎂 I love that you point out what happens if the tecknic works and you kill a guy.
Happy Birth boss, and ruddy good vid!
And another thing even if you use your superior martial art and knock the jerk out, and then go home thinking well that was weird... Was walking home and had to use my martial art. Turns out the little jerk was in a gang. 2 weeks later you are walking the high street and you randomly get stabbed. You as Knopfler put it make a line in the news. And the news broadcaster ask why would this normal guy get stabbed etc etc.... It happens!
Your voice is perfect for overdubbing English dialogue onto kung fu films.
“Best defense, no be there” still true
Very true. Its not condisdered 'self defense' if you have the clear option for escape instead of attacking. It was amazing how much info was relayed when I took my CCW class and signed up for self defense insurance coverage. Ultimately, the law is NOT on your side in issues of lethal selfdefense (for either accidental or in negligence). Good of you to share words of wisdom in depth!
Happy birthday Ramsey!