UN-RESTORING an old HIT MISS ENGINE with OVEN CLEANER?!?!?!
Hey all, welcome back!
I've got another old engine restoration, or well, un-restoration is more accurate. I'm back to working on the 5hp Galloway I got running in a previous video • Do FARMER Fixes work? ... . I'll appologize in advance for the audio in that video, I did not have a mic at the time of filing that!
Anyway, I tear down this engine and strip all the new paint off with OVEN CLEANER? I go through the entire engine and make a few new parts along the way. It turns out pretty nice if you ask me, but I'd preferer you to be the judge of that!
As I stated in the video here is the contact info for...
Fuel Tanks: John Wanat & Sons (203)938-3771
Prairie Classics Inc. 70sixpack.tripod.com/
Thanks for watching and until next time, go get your hands dirty!!
great job good to get stared when you are young I amy 76 and have 15to 20 engins and abad back and all my friends have pased on. Lost my wife of 54 years hope to get back in the game.God bless Benny
Thank you, and I'm sorry to hear the loss of your loved ones. Wishing the best for you!
I'm right there with you, Benny. Better days are coming.
So Benny ya'll can do it. I am your age and just wish I had one of those massive 8 inch piston jobbies to resurrect.
That's neat, I'm one of those subscribers! When we were restoring one of our vintage tractors, the cylinders were quite heavily pitted, like this engine. We hummed and haahhed over it for ages until one old fella looked down the the bores and said "Them there rings and pistons will pass over them them there pits exactly like a two stroke engine passing over its inlet and outlet ports". So we reassembled it as it was. The old fella was right, and we ran that engine, trouble free for about four or five years, then out of curiosity we took the head off, and pistons out, expecting to see scratches and scoring on the pistons, but there was nothing to see. The pistons and rings were as good as the day they went in. The edges of the pitting looked sharp and well defined, but as the old man said, they were pits, not piles, and no worse than the ports in a two stroke engine. We reassembled the engine and learned to stop worrying about it! That engine ran as sweet as a nut, and never burnt a drop of oil.
That old man was definitely a smart fella! I've had a few engines that you would think with how the cylinders looked wouldn't run, but they would. Thanks for sharing that!
Nice work. I like seeing all the work in one well edited video. As for cleaning the shop - you could still see the floor, you were still good.
Thank you! I put a lot of time in not only the engine but the editing, too, and I love the feedback telling me my hard work paid off!
I want to thank you for the time you take to do these videos, I sure do enjoy watching
Thank you! I definitely get a good bit of time wrapped up in getting everything the way I want!
Fifty two years ago i passed on an old hit miss at auction. I quit at $78.!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Now i live vicariously through your work. God Bless, On the other hand, I bought a New Holland baler for $75. After a manual and another $35 i baled for eight years.
Thank you!
You have really brought back some memories for me. My grandmothers neighbor was a well driller named Paul Boehm, in Freedom PA, who collected and restored old engines. About 50 yrs ago, When i was about 9 yrs old, I remember him and my uncle tinkering with a old oil well engine that had 6 foot flywheels. I have seen thise engine or one like it atnthe portersville PA steam show grounds. It shows these machines will out live us! Well done!
I like the idea of branching out to other things related to hit and miss engines.
Thank you, good to hear some feedback!
I echo the others' sentiments about how nice your videos are. I agree with you that having a short explanation of what you will do and then showing the process on a 2X or 4X speed is a great arrangement. Keep it simple, educating, and entertaining.
Thank you! I'll keep the videos coming!
I like the sound of her running slower and back to original paint
I was taught to bring the cast iron up to temperature slowly in a oven, and then make the repairs needed. Return it to the oven bring back to temperature for an hour, and then shut it off leaving it untouched until it had returned ambient temperature. Other than the temperature, preparing the fractured, are broken pieces is key. Grinding the fractures as you did, but we always used a small drill bit to drill a hole at the end of fracture to stop it from spreading out further. Whether brazing, are stick welding it didn't matter to myself, but some people are naturally better at one or the other. Clean surface, properly heated, make the repairs, and immediately returned to the heat, because cooling too fast caused fracturing of its own. Does the octane of the fuel effect how hard the combustion explosion is, because I know back in those days it was a lot lower than today, and then the ethanol being alcohol would cause faster burn, causing it to be more violent in my mind. Also one other, the thickness of the head gasket effects the overall compression, can you have too thin or thick of a head gasket that'll effect it either way? Need a bigger crescent wrench I'd say to adjust the lock nut. If you're up to venturing into other uses of these types of engines, I'll be more than interested in viewing whatever you find that interests you. Appreciate the time and effort you put into your videos.
Thank you! To answer some of your questions. I try to run non ethanol fuels, usually recreational gas. I don't believe today's gas that is readily available in the standard octanes makes much of a difference with these engines when they are just idling. As far as the head gasket goes, I've had multiple thicknesses of gasket material I've used on the same engine when making gaskets and have never really noticed much of a difference. One thing I like to remind people is that these engines when idling along really don't take much fuel or compression to run. I've had engines that have hardly had any compression, and they will run. They won't make power, but they will sit there and run all day long. They are definitely more forgiving than today's modern stuff.
@@Cast_Iron_Curiosities I was thinking more under load, and I understand that you really have no way to load them up as a practical use that is. Since they have a single valve, and it's only exhaust, have you noticed anything on the valves, or valve seats as far as excessive wear. But that falls back on the fact they're not really working thus the heat isn't a real issue as far as unleaded gasoline goes either is it. I will say you've got them down as far as the mechanics goes from sitting back and watching you explain things as you go. Should of been a shop teacher, I'm sure a lotta kids could benefit from your skills both mechanically, and as having the patience to explain things that they can understand better the first time. So I assume since you asked the question about expanding into the agriculture side of your hobby. That you've probably already gotten something along the lines of that already in your procession, or at least a very solid lead on some. Either way as I said, I'll be interested to see how you go about whatever mechanical devices you choose to tinker with. Thanks for your answers very much appreciated. Y'all have a Great Day, and may Tomorrow be even Better
Wow! Thats a very nice piece of working history! Great job on unrestoring it. Much better now!
Looks and runs great! It would be great to see a restoration of some auxiliary equipment these engines were used to drive.
Thank you. Some of that is in the works!
Looks and runs good. I like what you did with the paint. I also like to have them run slow. I have an engine just like it but I've never had to take it apart that much. So I enjoyed seeing all the details with it apart. P.S. I'm the guy that sold you the Galloway poster.
Hey! I'm glad you got to see the video! I have the poster out getting framed right now! Thanks again!
Awesome thanks for the show 🍻
It takes a very interesting video to keep me watching for a hour. This was one. Thanks for sharing.
Thank you! That has to be the best compliment I've gotten!
Retired automotive machinist here, great job on explaining engine functionality! Wish I could have had you working in my shop 😊👍
Thanks 👍
Serial number will be stamped on the fly wheels sides somewhere ..shoud be loads of spare parts for these engines..keep looking..good luck..
PB Blaster is the good stuff
There was a H&M engine in back of my g-pa’s shop. Circa 1965 that ran the overhead pulley shaft. I was fascinated! Thank You for the memories.
Very similar to the 7 HP Fairbanks my dad and grandfather used to run a Buzz-Saw to cut firewood with. Good stuff.
That Gas tank mount looks like an easy aluminiumcast. You could stock a few of the need arises or sell them if the money is right...
I'd like to see more of the old Diesels, like the Lister, especially the 2 cylinder ones
fantastic job on that head
That color match looks to be spot on, at least it does on the computer screen.
Thank you! It looks just as good in person!
Some people like to paint things up to make them look like new and some like to get creative and add some flare and others like the original look. Personally I like the original look and I'm guessing you do too, I don't think there is a right or wrong just a matter of what you're after. Really nice job on the teardown and rebuild, I definitely think it was well worth the effort. I would have liked to have been around during the days when those were in full operation, somehow I feel like I would find my way to working on stuff like that.
Sehr schön!!❤👍👍
Danke!
A sympathetic restoration well done, horrified by the cracks in the head and the snapped stud but it seems nothing you cant fix. Great to see another old engine saved and running . Thanks for taking the tine and posting, from here in the UK.
Thank you!
I'm only 15 mins into this one and it's excellent! I can honestly say, you never have to worry about any bits you think are possibly boring.......they're not. Anyway, not that I feel the need, but there's always the little slider bar if anyone really wants to skip bits. Thanks, as always.
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Very nice work Big Daddy
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I don't know if you have ever tried it, but brake fluid is absolutely amazing when working with rusted nuts and bolts, not sure why, but I was amazed when I tried it
Thank you for another great video, my dad restored some in his day and he also loved to get them to run slow. We used to go to the gas and steam shows together. I enjoyed that.
Awesome paint match to me it’s more valuable with the original paint also head repair looks fantastic great job love your videos look forward to seeing more!!
Thank you! There is more to come!
That's amazing!
Thank you!
very nice. enjoy seeing history restored. keep it up.
Thanks, will do!
Showing my ignorance of hit or miss engines, what do you power the ignitor with and what did they use way back when? Amazed at how simple the ignitor is compared to the ignition system that was on it. Things were way simpler then and a lot easier to work on. Nice to see these old engines brought back to life.
Great work man just found your channel recently and really enjoying the content love seeing those antiques getting back to life !! Keep the good work and best of luck to you
Great job !!
I enjoyed your video. You did a great job restoring the engine. It brought back memories of working with my grandpa when he was maintaining those old engines. There was a ton of them around the Texas panhandle in those days, running oil and gas well pump- jacks. I always loved the sound! I don't think very many men could tune one today as well as you did with that engine. It was nice to relive some great memories!
Thank you, and I'm glad I was able to bring back some good memories for you!
Great video.
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Good work , Congrats !
Awesome job, thanks for sharing. 👍🏻👍🏻
Thanks for watching!
Look great. Top Job!
Great video. Loved seeing the restoration/preservation process
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How the ignition works on this type of hit and miss engine is on the positive side they hooked up a large inductor, when the points inside the head close the field in the inductor builds up, when the points open up the inductor generates a large voltage across the gap. The inductor does two tasks, it protects the points from excessive current and it provides a nice hot spark, I read this on some hot and miss engine forum years ago.
Thanks for telling the operation of the air and fuel mix passages and valves. pretty neat
You are welcome!
You did really a great job. The engine looks great. The paint job from the Head looks also great 👍. For me are your video's a learning how it al works i love it to look your video's Greetings Martin
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lovely to see the galloway hit n miss running again!
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Thanks so much for the amazing video,promise I’ll buy a shirt😁😁
Thank you! I'm working on the shirt situation!
Very cool. Similar engines were built by Hercules here in Evansvile from 1916 until the mid 1920s
Awesome video really enjoyed it more please
Thank you. There will be more to come!
I know I’m year late.. but it did come beautiful, I kinda like them shined up and but I also like them like this because it can fit in with other stuff to show how it use to be.
great job , it is a joy to watch a man that has mastered his trade
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Very impressive! Well done, I enjoyed your work.
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That sir is bad ass
Great job they sure built them to last thanks for sharing
She is running good. I also have a preference to keeping them as original as possible. Much thanks for taking the time to film and edit these videos.
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Great job !@
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Id like to cast a modern version, from aluminum, and make a few improvements, close the crankshaft, pressurized oiling, maybe make it opposed piston may even a boxer 4cylinder, I been wanting to build a oil burner, with about 6"-8" bore, with up to 12" stroke, possibly opposed twin, for stability, But for a 4cylinder, about 4" bore, with 5-6" stroke, make a split lobe cam that can be adjusted to change duration a fair amount, and have separate exhaust and intake cam shafts, to allow them to adjust the separation angle , to fine tune to the stroke of the engine! Get the cam timing events spot on! I want a engine to actually work! Something that can run a alternator produce DC power, and be efficient as possible, generate about 600 amps at 30vdc, I'm thinking with a oil burner with 20:1-26:1 compression, and the long stroke should allow all the energy to be extracted from the fuel, so a possible secondary injection may be possible, to get the most power from the engine, burning waste oil and or Diesel, kerosene, possibly build a extreme pressure air blast injection, using a ultra high pressure low volume air spray to inject the fuel, use about 50cc of air under 450-500 psi to spray the fuel like a paint sprayer, possibly D.I., or maybe I.D.I. using a stainless chamber with a small heat plug inside, maybe, along stroke 4" bore , should make alot of tq, and peak out about 2000 rpm, but normal speed of about 1000-1200 rpm, crazy bunch of work, but I'd love to do it!
This is not boring
Awesome video as always! That thing came out very nice and runs sweet!!
Thank you!
Well, it looks good even if it isn't original paint. Good to see you reinstate the original ignitor. Mica is the same mineral as Asbestos but layered rather than fibrous. It would be good to see these olduns doing some useful work replacing those dirty, expensive, electric motors!
Great video
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You did a great job on the painting looks great and have a great day
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Good job, thanks.
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Very nice!
Holy Heeby Jesus!! I'm feelin' anxious about watchin' a video of this thing runnin....nevermind being standin' up next to it like you was!!! gotta believe many-a-farmer met his maker by one-o-these beasties
Can't be scared of them. If you are, you have no business being around one. That's when accidents will happen. They are wonderful machines. You just have to respect them!
Fine job on the restore = A very fun video to watch cause i still remember when they were still used.....Thanks my friend..... Old Shoe🇺🇸
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Really like your videos , I've learned so much about operations and maintenance . Can't wait to get one ( or 2 ).
Once you get one, they multiply!
That head came out nice
Thank you! I was very pleased with it!
its very interesting. I love those old engines 👍👍👍🇺🇸🇺🇸
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Good job
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Nice work!
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Looks great sounds perfect
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I’ve always loved these old hit miss motors we never had any on the farm we couldn’t afford them back then but I’m still hoping I can get one soon so I can use it to show kids that come out to the farm how things got done back in the day I have a idea of what I want to do with one but will need a lot more stuff to make it happen maybe I’ll go back to that place in South Dakota we’re I saw so many of them and all the parts and buy as much as I can and rebuild one to do what I want I’ve been to many shows and wasn’t able to buy any at the time but I’m better off now and think it it would be a great learning tool for young people to know how things worked back in the days when people actually worked.
I have never seen a Galloway engine before my father ran fairbanks engines to pump oil in Texas
Another one saved!!!! love your channel !! Slow is the way to go!!!!!
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Oven cleaner is my go to for removing paint and burnt on oil. Stocking clerks always look at me weird when I ask for two cases of easy off!
Well now I have to go start mine and listen to it for a while!
Please do! Go enjoy it! Thank you for watching!
Good content nothing like the sound of a hit and miss engine
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End result = perfect!!
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I still want to see ya'll tackle that massive engine out in your yard!!
Mighty fine job. What would really good to see is just how they're were used in real life to run sawmills and the turn of last century wood shop iie: a leather belt powered wood leather or band saw or a planer./ shaper.
Very nice 👍 👍
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Talented guy make them drive equipment of your own making i mean your own ideas love your ego norman. From donegal ireland
Great idea! Thank you!
Another great video and I look forward to the next one. I too like what you did with the paint and I also would like to see what you did to slow it down.
I have a feeling I will do a video on slowing a engine down.
Great stuff until the pin fell out. Great job bringing it back to life.
Perfect
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Re paint i think making it look new is just as good as making it look its age lol . Sometimes its nice to see what it would be out of a box all brand new shiny paint lmao .
I think you have the correct idea on editing content, I've liked it so far.
Thank you! I'm trying to make something that's easy on the eyes!
This would be an excellent application for laser cleaning of parts.
Bought a new trip for mine too. I think Denny Puck made the ones floating around.
I believe that is where mine came from as well.
Sounds like my wife snoring lol I love it!
The video was great! Editing was top notch! That is a beautiful "sympathetic restoration". I think you need a bigger All 16'ths wrench for that 1/2" lock nut! The old girl sounds great at the end! Implements driven by these engines would be cool .. more so the rebuilding of them. Thanks for sharing 🇨🇦
Thank you! I'm glad you caught the wrench!
runs great.i like to hear them slow also.
Video quality is great. Next is a lavaliere mic so voice is always the same. A good touch to consider. Love the Galloway’s sound.
Thank you for the feedback. I do have one but I don't always wear it. I think going forward I'll have it on my anytime I'm filming.
So my shop tip on stencils I get shelf paper the sticky kind cut it down so it fits in my printer then copy to it . Its a nice surface and easy to cut . Cheers .
Cutting it down for the printer is a great idea!
Outstanding! Beautiful restoration. What a lot of fun to watch. I do believe that the old "farmer fix" needs to have a little respect, though. That was quite a bit of homemade engineering for the day----if it worked. It makes me wonder why the old guy thought that a more "modern" ignition was necessary in the first place. I eagerly await your next project. Good job, and well done. Yeah, the clean-up is not the most interesting part, but that is when many important discoveries are made, and the detailed detective work is done. You kept it moving nicely, I thought.
Thank you for the feedback and compliments! I put alot of effort it to making it something I would enjoy watching. I'm glad all of you are enjoying it!
Great video with very in depth explanation on the workings of the Hit and Miss engine. Nice re restoration to original condition. Your paint ageing process is great. Similar to Squatch253 on his old Cat tractors.
Thank you! I enjoy watching him as well!
I had one of those running a 1930's version of a whole house generator.
That would be neat to see!
The sound that makes is priceless.
Purrs like a kitten.