Skyrim: 5 Secret Choices You Didn’t Know You Had in The Elder Scrolls 5: Skyrim
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Skyrim is a game that gives the Dragonborn quite a lot of big decisions as a result, in The Elder Scrolls 5: Skyrim, the player has a significant amount of influence on the way the world develops. However, there’s also a handful of choices available to the you, that you may not have even known about. So today we’ll be taking a look at five secret choices you may have missed in The Elder Scrolls 5: Skyrim.
I turn this game on with the intentions of finishing missions and always end up in a random dwarven cave for an hour instead.
After 200 hours of pointless faffing about I was finally powerful enough to one-shot most enemies, and went on a huge questlog-cleanup binge, one-shotting my way through every stupid side-quest I'd managed to pick up along the way. Felt like clearing out the garage for the first time in 10 years.
@@boiledelephant god I know what you mean
The dwarven caves are the longest. Ugh...
And then somehow you end up in Blackreach....
@@trindalas lol
I’ve once killed a group of thalmor after they made the unfortunate mistake of being alive
I rather thought their mistake was being thalmor.
Pretty sure the point of the Thalmor is to die
Warhammers are tools. Thalmor are nails.
YEEESS
I killed a group of Thalmor, shoved a shit load of enchanted weapons armor and staff's in two of their corpses, revived them with Dead Thrall, and had them help me slaughter everyone in Northwatch Keep. It was a blast.
So… uh, I kinda misunderstood the point of the Forsworn quest the first time I played it, killed the three guards, got out of the shrine, and expected to be able to walk away. But the other guards attacked me, so I killed them, too. And then, for some time, every time I’d need to go to Markarth, I’d just kill all the guards. Took me a while to figure out I was supposed to let them take me in.
I misunderstood it the first time too, and did the same thing. Except when I discovered the city had turned hostile to me, I panicked and fled, and did everything in my power to avoid returning to Markarth since lol. Which was a pain, because that was the first quest in Markarth I'd done, and I later needed to go there to for the Dark Brotherhood questline. I've never chugged so many invisibility potions before in my life lmao
@@VoxVocisCruora same thing happened to me, I remember successfully sneaking back into Markarth to do the DB quest with a 1000+ bounty. It was intense but fun and felt very rewarding after.
I've screwed up that questline so many times. Usually I just avoid it entirely now. But the last time I did it, I stealth-assassinated every single guard in Markarth before doing the quest. More spawned, of course, but I killed those too, and just left. And like you, I ended up killing more of them on a regular basis. The other major way I screwed up the quest is where I got to Cidna Mine and got told that nobody ever escapes... I just glitched through the bars and left. It just works.
Local man too strong to get arrested 😂
@@billybobjoe444 That’s local DRAGONBORN to you, sir.
3:32 I actually just had an idea. It would be so badass if you could recruit Hroggar to the Dawnguard. He has the perfect reason to join & doesn’t have any familial obligations to worry about anymore. He could dedicate his life to making sure no one else experiences what he did.
This is genius. I wish it was in the game
Good point. He might make for a decent Blade, too.
I was always depressed that the the creation club content that brought in the Vigil of Stendarr content, like the armor and quest lines, we couldnt enhance the Vigilants that wander around by at least giving some of them the armor, and giving a few of the DawnGuard Members some of the armor, like Isran giving him the top tier heavy Stendarr Armor. They could have done so much more with some of those cool additional armors.
@@ziweiyuan fuck the blades. All my homes hate the blades.
@@Zeoinx69 or just give them donations and in like a week all of them have better armor
"You dont have to kill all of the thalmor!" me: "oh, cool!" **continues to murder them anyway**
"*murders them to death", u mean
If you're already there anyway and can use the exp the Thalmor are technically a hostile occupying force
It also begs the question as to why wouldn't we kill them? Thalmor are like the Skyrim children, that shit just has to die.
@@RJLbwb pardon? :D
@@user-by1zv7td3j What, you never wanted to kill the kids?
one of my favourite facts about skyrim is that NO ONE likes the thalmor.
@Jacob Baltzegar And then they smuggly said no...
Some people, for some reason unbeknownst to me, seem to actually like the Thalmor.
@@theghoulishsword2406 It's the robes dude. Style is everything.
When I roleplay my argonian killer-croc I see the thalmor as the good since they seem like the only ones that have their shit together enough to take action to try and win, like a predator. While the rest is infighting, distrusting eachother being vulnerable. Like prey. Besides without the dragonborn it seems skyrim, the empire, the thieves guild, the dark brotherhood, etc would all crumble. Why would one side with those that rely on you to survive yet still try to treat you like they are above you.
@@theghoulishsword2406 Because according to the lore they are actually right to hate Talos. Talos was a shady emperor who used the Numidium (a giant mecha golem made by the dwemer) to mass murder elves and steal divine powers, just like Dagoth Ur wanted to use Akulakhan to mass murder imperials on Morrowind and steal divine power... Talos is basically a villain who won off-screen. Also, if you are able to join the Stormcloaks as a despised Khajiit or Argonian, why would you be unable to help the Thalmor as a despised Nord or Imperial?
With the cannibal quest, I agree to go with her & help clear out their meeting spot. When the Drauger are all dead (again), I turn into a werewolf and kill and eat the cannibal. This is something Bethesda isn't prepared for, as you'll still get the dialogue option with the merchents in town to claim you saw them at the "feast".
Thats an uno reverse card if i ever seen one
LMAOOOO
Hircine is proud
Another case of turning the hunt inside-out lmao
Alternatively, turn into a vampire lord. Those cannibals are just trying to cosplay you.
I think one of my favorite things along this line is that if you never speak to the Jarl of Whiterun, you don’t become the Dragonborn. No one will acknowledge you as such, and only a handful of quests actually require you to be Dragonborn (namely the main story and civil war). It’s interesting to see how much of the dialogue changes when you aren’t the chosen one. Even the DLC accommodates this possibility (except the Mirak quests). The obvious downside is no shouts, but it makes for an interesting play through.
That's how I like to play my file. Only the first Main quest and than travel and quest everything besides. Pretty Harmonic out in the wild without dragons attacking you.
@@invictaa667 exactly!! You get to really appreciate Skyrim when u aren’t looking at the sky the whole time and running for cover. Also it makes for good “non-Dragonborn” role plays.
I'm about 50 hours into my first playthrough and I am still not the dragonborn. I just like doing my own thing lol
Killing the first dragon at the watchtower is the trigger for dragons to start spawning, if you never go to the tower and kill the dragon the guards just stand near the tower and no dragons come to say hi.
Sounds like a cool video idea. "How much of Skyrim can you finish without becoming Dragonborn?"
A year late, but on the Jagged crown quest, you can take the crown to the opposite faction and switch sides.
Really?
@@bmrrmb2601 yeah. I've been recently playing and tried it just to see what happens. Some unique dialog for it too.
@@e8ios You can also triple-cross a given faction IIRC. If you start out talking to the Empire specifically, at a certain point they'll have you go to Windhelm to talk to Ulfric, at which point you can join them, and then for the Jagged Crown quest you can take the crown back to General Tulius instead. I might've gotten the details wrong but if I'm remembering right there's some unique dialogue for the triple-cross.
damn turn-coats
True true
In my most recent file, I ended up approaching Riften for the first time from the south. The guard told me I had to use the north gate, and I didn't feel like walking/swimming around the city. So I punched the guard in the face, making them take me to jail and into the city.
You absolute God-tier brain
I do that with all the holds just to avoid discovering the city itself
Big brain...
Bigger brain: Go to the docks, enter Black-Briar Meadery, and BAM in the city, no fee, no jail time.
@Julio Cesar Exactly. I don't know what level you need to be, but it can't be greater than 15. I've literally never failed it. Easy speech levelup.
I didn’t kill Alva in the Laid to Rest quest and she became friendly after I killed the master vampire. Killing her alone in a cave gave me a 1000 gold bounty for some reason
iirc Alva turns on Movarth and helps you. So I guess she's just good now. It's a little buggy but I've had her live in the cave or return to Morthal and sweep the vampire stuff under the rug, depending on the playthrough. Edit: auto-correct made "little buggy" into "kitten buggy" lol.
@@wolfgod6443 Yeah that was a definite bug, one that some people actually liked. It's been "corrected" in a later version of the Unofficial Skyrim Patch because she was always meant to be hostile to the Player so you'd have no choice but to kill her, (but if you don't apply the patch...)
Yep, that was a bug in the quest because she was always meant to be hostile to the Player and you'd have no choice but to kill her. With the bug, she was regarded as a citizen or some such so killing her was considered murder and you'd get a bounty
yep I always sneak into the house and steal the journal while she's asleep. doing so awakens her and she runs off to the cave, but she becomes friendly and starts attacking the other vampires lol.
@@ReHerakhte overrated mod that one. I used it for a time but its a mess with a high mod count LO and needs patches for everything and causes more glitches than it fixes
2:32 Fun Fact: if you are a vampire, alva will have a unique passive voiceline to you, telling you sometjing along the lines of "i know what you are, keep away from this town's blood"
I got the quest of “Kill Paarthurnax,” and I refuse to complete it on the grounds of Paarthurnax is a good boi. EDIT: I had my notifications for comments off for the last two years. Didn’t realize this comment blew up until I enabled them again
Yep. Kind of irked me to see that quest left open.
@@trog69 if you complete the main questline and don't kill him, the quest dissappears from the list.
I still can't believe it takes a mod to put The Blades in their place.
if you attack parrthurnax before you talk to him about the blades wanting him dead, he's still marked as an essential NPC. but it registers you killing him for the blades. but you're still cool with the greybeards(whom i hate tbh) and Paarthurnax.
I recently started again with Skyrim & when I got to the peace treaty & ended the reunion, I ran as soon as I saw Delphine getting close to me. That way the mission didn't even appear on the list!! I felt so good cause her request was so unfair & stupid.
"Banish or spare Paarthunax" - That's not a choice. He has been nothing but helpful to me since I met him, where as the Blades made me go through a lot of extra work on their part, then threatened to stop aiding me unless I killed the dragon for them. To Oblivion with the Blades and their destiny bullshit!
i just quest command in the miscellaneous as if i killed him and am friendly with both blades and greybeards. Tbh delphine is trash just like Jaufree the grandmaster from oblivion. Idiots both of them.
@@Kami-Sama197 I don't even want to help them recruit new members. If I had a choice in the matter, I would actually stand with the Aldmeri Dominion, and establish the Elves as the true master race of Tamriel. Once I get what I need out of them, I just abandon the two of them to their secret mountain hideout. If they really want Paarthurnax dead, they can march their asses up the 7,000 steps and try to force their way past the Greybeards themselves.
@@Nyrufa skyrim belings to the nords but ulfric doesn't deserve to rule let the imperials in ulfric is a dishonorable nord
@@thefriendlygiantgaming7344 Why is he dishonorable? The game makes a big deal about telling us how corrupt and unfit to rule he is, but never at any point in the game do they actually show him doing anything unworthy. Heck, he gives Balgruuf multiple chances to join his side, instead of immediately whipping out the axe when he rejects him the first time.
@@Nyrufa Ulfric is dishonorable becayse he challenged high king torryg(dont know how to spell correctly) to combat to the death. Which among nords they like it to be fair(relatively). But Ulfric used the voice which the high king did not know how to use so it was not fair in a spar to the death
In the “In my Time of Need” questline, you have the ability to be a little tricky and make your life easier. After you speak with Kematu, and bring Saadia to the stables, there’s nothing stopping you from killing Kematu, who will be by himself instead of surrounded by a small army. Saadia has unique dialogue for this, stating that you gave her a heart attack but did good and give you the reward as usual.
I understand this was 3 months ago but doesn't she trick you?
Saadia is the bad guy in that quest. Her dialogue doesn't match up with the lore but the Redguard mercenaries say things that make more sense
@@CloudBlitzer yea I don't remember but I think I killed her the 1st time I met her since she pulled out a weapon on me so I thought I had no other choice
@@CloudBlitzeryeah but shes a baddie so i help her
I don't think it is ever made certain that Saadia is the bad guy in that quest. In fact the opposite appears to be true and I nearly always proceed as if she is telling the truth for one, main reason. That reason is that Kematu promises you that she will be taken back home and given a fair trial. However, if you side with him then her remains end up in the Whiterun Hall of the Dead. If she were taken home, given a trial and executed why would they bother bringing her remains back to Whiterun? Some might say it could have been her last request but why would she ask for that and, even if she did, why would the request be honored? Nope, Kematu is simply the head of a band of mercenaries, assassins and brigands who have been hired to hunt down and murder her just like she says and after you turn her over to them immediately murdering her and leaving/dumping her body in Whiterun is exactly what they do. Heck, Kematu and his thugs are hiding out in a bandits' den and are paying the bandits to guard them and let them stay there. That doesn't sound like a bunch of upstanding guys, to me.
Fun fact, not only can you save Hroggar in laid to rest, you can also save Alva. If she isnt home when you break into her house to find proof shes a vampire she will appear in Movarths lair when you go to kill him, however you can complete the quest without killing Alva, in this scenario Alva will return to being a citizen of Morthal and seemingly be no longer a vampire
mustve got that cure from the local wizard
oh nice. I knew she goes to the cave and you dont 'have to' kill her (but in my playthrough she was fighting movarth and actually did quite well before he killed her ass and i was too weak to step in)
I actually had that Moment that Alva INSIDE the Cave ATTACKED THE VAMPIRE MASTER 😂
Can't believe anything you say dude, you're a Newcastle Utd fan 😉
Killing Astrid when you get kidnapped for the dark brotherhood and put in an abandoned shack. She says “kill the one who currently has a large bounty on their head” and when you kill her instead of one of the three random bounded people she says “well done”
Yeah I did that once then reloaded the save because the dark brother hood is o e of the coolest quest line's
I chopped her head off. She said nothing.
Nathan Whiting It’s a timing thing
Also a funny Astrid thing is if you fail a reverse pickpocket as she's burnt, unable to move and asking you to kill her, she will pop right back up and start attacking you.
@@obtuse186 jesus christ that's fucking scary
"Five HUNDRED gold and all is forgiven" [Looks at inventory of 5 million gold...]
Then goes nah I just kill everyone
@@harlequin6119 😂😂😂
*looks at blingbox mod*
Sorry I don't have the money to spare *Start rampaging guards*
😂😂😂😂🤣🤣 same this i was thinking
In "Laid to Rest" it's actually Laelette the Vampire who killed Hroggars family on Alvas command but became obsessed with Hroggars kid and tried to make them a vampire but they died too quickly in the fire. Which is why you find her next to the kids grave as she is trying to find a way to resurrect and turn her still. And whether Hroggar and Alva live are all dependant on the time of day you go into the house. I went in early morning when Hroggar had left for work and Alva had just come home from the tavern so she just threatened me rather than attacked me and when I got the journal she just ran to the lair getting attacked by everyone on the way out. Also heard that if you sell firewood to Hroggar previously he'll have a positive disposition to you and wont attack on sight if you do enter the house when he's there.
Yeah, he didn't attack me either. I investigated the grave and it leads to the truth. This wasn't even hidden, you just had to pay attention and read the notes to find the secret.
I'll also add that if you don't kill Alva and give the journal to the jarl, alva will show up in movarth's lair where you really don't actually have to kill her
She won't attack!?
@@ZerotheShadowking i think she'll attack the player eventually too (not sure), but she's already pretty busy wiping out other vampires
@@zinhnin4812 No, she won't. She will just kill the vampires and move back to the city, to keep living thre like nothing happened. The guy will be free from her control and both will live on separate houses.
I read in another thread that the other vampires will become hostile to her if they detect you when you enter the cave. So you have to sneak in and then protect her from harm if you don’t want her to be murdered to death. Also read in the same thread that if you talk to her after, she just calls you “meat” but won’t attack. That reminds me of a mode that allowed me to hired a vampire as a mercenary. They said “be quiet, meat” to me every time I talked to them.
In my own case, she didn't show up at the cave. When the townspeople made a posse to go after the master vampire, I tripped on her corpse near the town gate, shot with several arrows. Seems to me she wound up hostile to the guard
Literally yesterday I learned you can actually hit the ore veins with your pick axe instead of doing the stupid long animation that you sometimes have to do 2 times. Holy fuck was my mind blown.
whaaaat
Brooo I find this out after clearing two whole mines today? Come on Bethesda lol
Wait whattttttt????
How did you only just find this out lmao
WHAT IS THIS REAL
Fun fact: Third option for Brother Verulus is to go along with the quest, but never deliver him to the feast. He becomes a stackable follower which can pick up infinite amount of loot.
@Adolf Hitler not for you hitler
All follwers can pick up infinite amount of loot. But not all followers will loot bodies of lock pick gates/chests.
@@indraotsutsuki1379 hey man it's not cool to discriminate
@@leonardomarquesbellini I mean it’s also not cool to set your name as hitler and pfp as a swastika but yanno here we sit
@@indraotsutsuki1379 we do sit here
If you break in during the morning, Alva and Hroggar will not be inside, allowing you to find the journal without killing either. When you go to kill the master vampire he will join the group to exact revenge. In the dungeon you will likely encounter some vampires killing Alva, likely because she gave the location away in the journal. First time experiencing that after after multiple characters.
My favorite "walk into a location to hear a spooky voice" encounters is "Lost to the Ages" with Katria's ghost. I always loved that there are no subtitles; the first time I walked in, I wasn't sure I actually heard anything. Katria scared the ever-living fak out of me when she sneaked up behind me.
Yes!! 200+ hours of previous saves I never ever did that questline, finally got back into SKSE recently and I was not expecting her there at all. Really appreciated having her around and it was such a fun quest. I'm still travelling to get to Avezenchel for the next part of the quest but that was so cool!
@@retro34by far my favourite questline in the game, hope you enjoy/enjoyed it! (I might have cried a little but don't tell anyone!) (Also you can have a random encounter related to it when walking around in the world after completing the quest line, think you need to be wearing the final quest reward for it to happen, so keep an eye out! Such beautiful closure.)
Honestly, Astrid had no room to kick me out for taking a bit of gold. She tried to have me killed out of pure jealousy!
And the fact that you could actually talk to her boss the demonic being she thought was kinda nonsense and at least not necessary.
@Mem Was that not implied with her thinking the Nightmother and Sithis was unnecessary nonsense? Seeing as getting rid of the NightMother would mean they wouldn't know who did the ritual or if one took place. Thus the Brotherhood would take a fairly big reputation hit. She was really banking on a spy network she didn't really introduce that well to the player
@@SpectralKnight Astrid just wanted her merry band of assassins, not the Dark Brotherhood. The second things looked like she was going to lose her place, she sold you out but good.
@Mr. Trox Yeah but as I said they built their reputation on having a magical ritual and not everyone is going to be so blatant about it like the kid (aventus?) She should have started her own assassin club with blackjack and hookers. :)
It wasn't jealously she thought the guild would be safe if she bargained your life
Oh wow there's a way to avoid spilling Thalmor blood ? How can I contain my excitement ? Get back to me when you find an option to to spill more Thalmor blood.
papa-pepe exactly I killed 3 of them for simply throwing me an insult as I walked past them on the road.
I killed 3 of them once because I walked past them on the road.
I killed three of them once because they were alive.
Going ape shit in the Thalmor Embassy is the best, my only regret is I can't kill the head bitch before I leave.
I killed 3 of them once because I needed a reason why I was on death row.
Illusion magic + sneak completely changes the nature of the game. Calm, fury, and fear can get you through the game pretty much without killing anything. Restoration is a good supplement against undead for a vanilla play through.
In fact, Alva can give herself away. If you are a vampire (a vampire lord, mb this is important), there will be additional line, in which Alva demands you to leave, since these are her hunting plains.
If you help her as a vampire by keeping her alive she'll say something like "the town is ours now" after the quest, implying she's now on your side.
Correction, Hroggar didnt kill his family, the vampire you meet at his daughters grave in the night, did it! Laelette, Alva turned her into a vampire.
No laelette didn’t want to do it I’m pretty sure
Lealette wanted to turn the daughter into a vampire and kill the mother but she fucked it up and accidentally killed her and let her burn.
@@andreafernandez4126 "That little fool! Laelette burned Hroggar's family alive. I asked for an accident and she gave me a scandal. To make matters worse, she tried to turn his little girl, Helgi. Except Laelette couldn't even get that right. She killed the child and left the body to burn." -Alvas journal
I have almost never let that women die in markarth, I remember even way back in my first play through I shot him when he pulled out a knife. Don't know why but it makes me feel like more of a hero than stopping the literal world eating dragon 😂
you're expected to kill the dragon, it's your duty- saving the woman isn't your duty so it's a choice and makes you good for doing so!
Well, i reckon its the spontaneity and relatively small renown that would come from saving that women, alduin threatens all, so even a thief who murders for fun would want to kill him (joy of killing aside) after all he threatens his ability and freedom to kill and live, im sure even a deadra would try to fight alduin, can exactly do deadra stuff if the world is gone, but would a deadra interfere with some rando killing another rando? Would that thief? No, not likely, but a hero? A hero stops any and all threats to the innocent, wether that's a world eating wyvern or a small two bit bandit attacking some random girl, a hero sees an injustice, a threat to an innocent life, and puts a stop to it as soon as possible.
@@cyberalex394 agreed
It’s like stopping the execution in Solitude, just makes you feel cool. I once shouted them off the platform, then immediately left out of the city. Next time I showed up, he was walking around! The game’s dialogue isn’t exactly meant to account for this, though.
@@chronoplague he always just dies for me, like you can follow him he will either de spawn or drop dead
That option to save Thorald with the note from Tullius isn't actually available in vanilla. You need the unofficial patch or a cut content patch for that. In the vanilla game your only option is violence. And it's elven Nazis, so violence is the better option.
What about the special edition, does that have the patch?
@@danentakoto2701 You need a fan made patch (mod) for it. Even in the SE or AE.
@@xyex alright. Thnx
I thought that you could still have him released if you held the rank of Legate in the Imperial Legion.
@@Eleetwood Nope. There's no way of getting Thorald released without mods. Your only option unmodded is to attack and rescue him.
You can also kill Astrid at the start of the dark brotherhood quest line in the abandoned shack. This starts a whole new questline where you completely wipe out the dark brotherhood in the falkreath sanctuary. It's basically a shortened, reversed version of the db quest, where you help the guy trying to wipe them out instead of killing him
SHUT UPPPPP
That's what I did my first playthrough. I was pissed that they kidnapped me and tried to force me to kill someone so I wiped out everyone
Skyrim's DB is very disappointing. They are reduced mere thrill seeking psychopaths instead of professional killers. I exterminated them to at least clean the shame from Sithis. (Headcanon)
@@yharnamiyhill787 Sign of the times? A lot factions from the Brotherhood to Theif's Guild turned into jokes in-between Oblivion and Skyrim. Even new factions like Dawnguard and Mage Collage are jokes at the start. It's up the Dragonborn to either bring them back to their glory or just put them out of business for good.
@@chadharger9323 I think writing in 2010+ has been a disappointment in general. Hell, Mass Effect 3 was a huge red flag in the creative arts industry.
"Shoot first ask later" Everyone when they see a Thalmor
how do you ask questions to a corpse? necromancy could be valid if you could get them to stop moaning I guess
@@devin59320 You animate some vampire corpses, they TALK to you about the people they've eaten. Kind of regretfully. It's seriously off-putting anyway.
I once named one of mine Romlaht because I was advertising how much Thalmor slaughter I was planning lol
Indeed, or possibly better, reverse pick pocket frenzy potions on them and enjoy seeing them kill thier own
@@Yuki_Ika7 or the frenzy spell. I also enjoy watching them squirm when I cast fear.
Oh wow, you can avoid killing a single Thalmor? Cool. I'm still wiping those losers out. LOL
My thoughts exactly, who in the world wouldn't want to kill those fuckers
I never side with Imperial trash, so no option to spare them, not that I ever would anyway. For the Stormcloaks!
@@Greyslayer76 Yeah... As Bubble said so rudely... Stormcloaks are very short-sighted, if you think about it. All they end up doing if they win is splitting the Empire apart, draining both their resources, and the Empire's resources.. Which if you read through Elenwen's documents in the Party quest of the main storyline, you realize that the Thalmor /want/ the Civil War to go on as long as possible, and also would prefer it if the Stormcloaks won. tl;dr: Thalmor want the Stormcloaks to win so they can win the Second Great War with ease.
You know I've always been thinking those high elves are like the white people who came to the new land with their true god and start killing people and converting people. Because they think they are superior and have the right to do so. Just saying.
Tou Xiong Too bad you don’t know literally anything about The Elder Scrolls Lore. Because if you did you would know that the only reason they despise Talos is because the elves lived in Skyrim way before the Nords. And then the Atmorans and Ysgrammor came over and invaded the land, pushing the elves out.
With the honourable mention, the Whiterun battle, I didn't realize that 'fleeing' by fast traveling would complete the mission. I just didn't want to hurt any of the people in Whiterun because I liked that place. So I 'fled' thinking I'd come back later to do it. Nope, the mission happened, and I got scolded by Ulfric lol.
Next time side with the Empire instead of slaying Whiterun
@@andryuu_2000 I prefer not to side with the folks who tried to execute me in the beginning of the game🤣🤣🤣🤣
@@cancertourmaline6798 you were trying to cross the border and that is illegal
@@HhhhhhHfh Death sentence for having an expired passport? Nah, that’s fucked. I usually play an imperial but clearly the empires laws need some work if crossing a boarder is punishable by death, but slaughtering the entire markarth city guard only gets you a fine of few thousand gold and nobody outside of markarth will even try to arrest you.
@@julianfarnam6246 first part agree but the second is for gameplay
In the quest "The Only Cure," you're required to go next door and kill Orchendor for the deity Peryite. If you do this before gaining the quest the marker will appear above Orchendor and you'll be unable to finish the quest. Found this out the hard way.
What if you used a Raise Zombie spell to defeat him again?
"There's actually a way to do this without spilling a drop of blood" We don't do that here...
Wait that stuff is blood? I thought it was strawberry jelly!! Dang...
@@Alpheamus oh my god
No, we see people murdered to death.
Lol who the fuck is gonna pass up on a chance to merk the Thalmor. It is interesting to see this route tho
It's also not real, I don't think? Skyrim wiki says Tulius will refuse your request even if you complete the civil war
I love how pitiful the cost to rejoin a guild is after you wrong them. Like..."you've hurt us deeply and betrayed our trust! Pay us 500 gold and we're square."
I didn't even know you could leave a guild or anything of the sort. xD
I found out the hard way, by killing a member of the collage of winterhold by accident.
Beating on maven blackbriar is always worth the fine.
While I have 100,000 gold in my inventory. I give the children more money than that.
What about the cost of a life? If there's someone you don't like, you can just murder them and pay the 7000 gold bounty, assuming you've levelled any of the crafting professions and have basically unlimited money. I did it with the Thalmor douchebags in Markarth. Worth every penny.
Kind of fun to realize that Eola was hypnotizing YOU earlier... when you see her hypnotize the priest.
Or trying
@@totogashloog2162 she lets you live because you're strong enough to resist.
I'm convinced going back for a reward each time in markarth was the intended path for this quest but at some point during qa they felt it was a combination of too linear and tedious. So they changed it so you could get the evidence in any order and all at once.
Oblivion: kicks out of fighters guild - okay get me 20 bear pelts (which have 5 carry weight each) and youll be forgiven. Same with mages guild, you need to find *rare* plants to return to guild. Skyrim - okay give me 500 gold
Much more realistic, money is what keeps the world in motion man.
I like the way it used to be
to be fair, the mages guild and fighters guild gave you access to some really unique stuff in oblivion, and getting kicked out was a big deal, in skyrim, the factions don't really offer anything special except end of questline loot, and access to certain dungeons. plus, i assume bethesda made it easier because the rejoin quests were far too much for most players, simply reverting to an earlier save to avoid the penalty
@@TheHarleyEvans Isn't the College the only way to get higher level magic?
@@DiceFTW273 when you level your schools, higher level spells become available at spell selling vendors (court wizard, general goods, khajit), and if you're referring to the master level spells, i guess you do have to join, unless you can get to the NPCs with the quests as they walk around winterhold
Well, i entered the house at a time when Hroggar wasn't there. Alva caught me completely by surprise because the minute i enter the house's basement i saw her rising from her coffin. That's when i find out she was a vampire. Hroggar never even saw me killing her, but he still blames me for "everything i've done", despite the fact that he's still alive and no longer in a vampire's control. To me he is an ungrateful bastard.
David Erif I did that also but I ran from Alva. I went to the Jarl and gave her Alva’s journal. When I went back out, I saw Alva leaving the town. Hroggar was grateful. Maybe by killing Alva he gets upset.
Actually if you enter the house during the day Alva will not be in the house, as she’s roaming around in the town. Or night. Either way she’s not always in her house.
Haha when the games glitches/failings are praised as deep nuance
Correct Hroggar works at the mil during the day and Alva sleeps in the basement. If you have high enuth sneak you can go in take the journal without killing Alva or Hroggar how ever doing this will make Alva flee to Cave when you give the journal to the jarl and you get to fight her there instead. How ever i have several time got the the Vampires in the cave see Alva as an enemy and kill her before i get to her. I have also managed to complete the quest without ether Alva or Hroggar dying but i didn't register Alva getting any new lines from it.
did you unspell him?
I just learned a few days ago that you have a unique way to forgive the debt the stable worker owes to Saphire if you are the head of the thieves guild when you do it. She will be nervous bc she didn't tell the guild about her scheme and you can threaten to kick her out of the guild unless she lets it go.
Parthunax started to kill me during the first fight with Alduin, and once he starts no matter where you travel he will follow. (This is all before the peace treaty mission) So I ended up killing him in whiterun. Now every time I enter whiterun his skeleton will always be there. Sad face
Always knew we couldn't trust him.
@@canadianbeef1958 but he's the Super Mario tho :(
I’ve never had to kill Hroggar. Hroggar was never in the house when I went inside or straight up didn’t see me. I just went into the cellar and killed Alva while she was sleeping.
High enough stealth and choosing the right time of day give you options in that one.
I swear when I did this quest entering Hroggar's house was the last thing I ended up doing. I completed the cave after finding the vampire behind the burnt house. If I am just not remembering correctly and I did enter the house before the cave, Alva was never there and Hroggar was just sleeping and I walked past and got her journal. I ended up killing her when I found her in the cave sleeping.
If I am not mistaken you can just not kill Alva and Hrogar. You steal the journal and sneak out using invisibility potions.
Hroggar and Alva weren’t in my playthrough when I broke in
yea same and i found alva sleeping in morvaths lair
Skyrim’s brotherhood: give us money and we’ll call it even Oblivion’s brotherhood: RELEASE THE WRAITHS
It's just one more thing they put into the franchise that, imo, ruins it. In Morrowind, certain actions you made were permanent. From killing main quest characters, to heads of families and houses, nobody in Morrowind was immune to death. Then Obivion came, and suddenly important characters could only be knocked unconscious. Don't even get me started on the abomination of fast travel...
@@milescallamy6815 if you don’t like fast travel then don’t use it
@@sentinelslayer8328 Ignoring the problem doesn't remove it.
@@Devire666 fast travel isn’t a problem is a simple thing you people call an issue to remove it’s not a game breaking glitch
@@Devire666 fast travel is there for people who don’t want to waste time running back and fourth for 10 minutes
Another interesting choice that I only just discovered in my latest playthrough is you can elect to ignore Brynjolfs quest entirely when doing the main quest and instead get the information about where to find Esbern from other people in the ratway. I talked to Dirge and he was able to give me the information instead.
I remember grabbing all the Forsworn Conspiracy leads before starting the quest, I never got to meet with Eltrys and instead was immediately met with guards upon entering the Talos building.
I killed all the thalmor at nothwatch and didn't even have the quest yet.
My man.
I saw the shiny glass armor and needed the gold. That place is a gold mine, or der I say, glass mine... I’ll leave now
Lmfao theirs a quest for that? I just killed them all when I found it
Me lmao I just went in a murdering spree as soon as I started the game, now 3 out of 5 missions will just end the soon as I begin them, cause what I need to kill for the mission is already dead
Me too
I remember the cannibal quest. I turned into a werewolf, and ate the cannibals. Beautifully ironic. Sidenote: priest guy was cool with werewolf form.
I feel like Namira should have rewarded you eating four people
doesn't that technically make you a cannibal though?
@@commonfreak9093 I'm not sure. Does that make most companions cannibals as well?
@@wolfblaze6227 I guess
If you eat a vampire, you become one, unless your a werewolf.
There's also the choice you can make to hold on to the skeleton key (lockpick that never breaks) by not finishing the quest that gives you it.
I do that often in my playthroughs.
On my first play through I used the voice of the emperor on hogar cuz I did not like fighting people inside towns. Discovered the hidden choice by my non confrontational nature
I just killed Alva early just because I wanted to wear her dress to my wedding 😂
@RadTheLad thx lol 😂
You know I could think about this and be deeply disturbed that you killed a character for their clothing... or I could choose ignore that and remember that she is a cannibal. Great work, citizen.
@@hughquigley5337 thanks, and sorry for the disturbance 😅
Chloe Swoveland trust me, I’ve heard worse. Don’t worry about it :)
@@hughquigley5337 like what? 🤨
That Taste Of Death quest is fun, what I usually do is proceed the quest normally and get the ring, then stealth kill all the cannibals except for the follower lady, then I use her as a sacrifice for the Ebony Mail quest. Two artifacts, one stone.
Use the Ebony Blade instead of the sacrificial dagger and get another point on the blade's enchantment. It worked for me but that was ages ago on Xbox 360 Oldrim. It may not work on Special Edition
I use aola for the sacrificial altar in the shrine boethia quest line. I like the ebony blade idea though. Ill have to keep that in mind when i want to train up my 2 handed skill
And now to eat some orphans
With all the garbage followers I could’ve sent, I sent Uthgerd. Gotta show the daedrics I mean business
@Michael Lorah @xXLoneLoboXx You niggas are devious
When Astrid first kidnaps you, you can kill her and start a secret mission. She will congratulate you on finding who has the mark on them as she dies. You cannot kill any of the other people she has collected for your initiation.
Blood On The Ice gave me whiplash lol it was an active quest, but for half my playthrough, the quest marker was saying to speak to the guard, but the guard was DEAD and I didn't even kill him lol he didn't respawn after 10 days either, just layed there dead. Then when I finally bought the Windhelm House, the quest proceeded. Then I missed the hidden backroom and got the poor guy who teaches you destruction (I believe) arrested and sent to jail. At about 70 of my playthrough, I went back to him for lessons since all my main skills were maxed out, and apparently I got the wrong guy because someone new has been killed? It said to investigate the market place at night, but then immediately advanced even though I hadn't done anything. Then found Calixto running through the streets, so I killed him and the guards attacked me. Then I reloaded and followed him into MY NEW HOUSE that has a neat little backroom I didn't know about. Overall 11/10 quest. Thanks, I genuinely loved it lol
“yOu disrespect the BROTHERHOOD pay the fine... 500 GOLD” damn that’s cheap 😂
budget restriction
500 gold is a whole year pay of a sailor in Skyrim. And the bounty from killing a deadly giant fire-breathing flying lizard is just that much. Clearing a whole fort of bandits only give you 100 gold.
@@thestarsoflion9615 And killing 2 giants can earn you about 500 gold, maybe even 600
Chris Cooper I mean at the start we saw a bit of the companions having to team up on a Giant, they’re pretty tough (unless you’re mid - late game and actually decent) but still think of how trash most NPC’s are to a late game character
I always found the fact that you only have to pay a 1500 gold fine for killing the freaking emperor of skyrim a bit cheap as well, although granted I'm scum and I frequently use the infinite gold cheat in order to get out of going to jail
The thieves guild doesn’t care if you steal from them, they just say stuff like “you could have just asked”
Hey It’s Charlie pretty sure it is only if you’re guildmaster, but I could be wrong
nobody 625 oh maybe Idk I haven’t stolen anything from them until after I did the whole quest line, and I did it only to see what would happen haha
@@nobody6257 I stole from them today trying to get my pickpocket skill up and I've only done one quest with them and they don't care. Even that nasty lady that bullies me bc I'm a vampire doesn't care
Or "I guess you needed that"
I haven't even joined them yet and I stole from them and got this dialogue lmao
"You're a cannibal right?" "Kinda? I ate Man and Mer flesh before but the way I did it doesn't count me as one" "Wdym?" _*Activates Ring of Hircine_
I love how the cannibal quest is "kill one, kill all,.... or maybe don't... but if you do you get this neat ring" 😂😂😂😂😂
7:08 One time I actually became the Archmage and married Brelyna Marion and she died while out with me as my companion. I guess she's either not Protected (like Essential but only the player can kill the NPC) or she is and I must've accidentally hit her with a spell while she was low on health but either way I was blamed for it and Tolfdir kicked me out... as the Archmage.
You are on this council but we do not grant you the rank of master
In a more realistic world: "How about no? oh yes! also go fuck yourself." *gives middle finger as he moonwalks out with his snazzy archmage robes*
@@ethanshields1127 That is a fantastic mental image, Thank you. XD
Gotta leave the spouses home to take care of the kids!
Was a spell. On mainly magical characters or ones using explosive arrows I just don't use other followers than Serana (she is always essential), or use commands to make them essential... On magical characters I had to use resurrect command multiple times per dungeon (DYING TO FRIENDLY FIRE IS WEAKNESS!!)
It isn’t a Skyrim video without Nate saying *MURDERED TO DEATH!*
You can't get murdered to life now
People die when they're killed.
Involuntary Euthanasia
@@khronostheavenger8923/whooosh
Thas' a meme. Counter /wooosh
in my most recent playthrough of Skyrim I've just finished the Movarth questline and sneaked past Hroggar to get the diary - Alva was already gone when I got there - and when I arrived at his lair, they'd already killed her and left her dead body in the living area. The Vampire that's walking in that route area already had damage to them so - for some bizarre reason this time around - the story was that Alva failed and was executed by Movarth for her failure.
I don't think it's been mentioned, but you can actually change your allegiance between the Stormcloacks and Imperials any time up until retrieving the Jagged Crown.
Maybe this is what you meant, but I found out you can bring the crown to either leader after getting it and switch your allegiance one more time
"cool ring" 800 hours in skyrim-never used it
I use it to fill my needs from the Realistic Needs and Diseases mod. Nomnom! :D 10/10
I always forget to wear the appropriate apparel in all situations and kick myself after it already transpired lmao
@@KiwiBirb63 same always 😤
i have 1300+ hours in skyrim and only used it once to see what it did lol
I got it once for the achievement and ignored it forever after.
Slight point worth correcting: Hroggar didn’t kill his family. That was Alva’s other helper, Laelette. Again, a very minor point, but i think it further explains why Hroggar is worth saving, and also why if you don’t kill him, neither is he arrested and executed: he’s literally innocent of murder, in both thought *and* action.
I always kill him cause he attacks me. You attack me, you die. I like to be fair to everyone in Skyrim in that regard.
Actually that wasn't the only mistake, the other is missing in action as the method he described to release him from the thalmor never actually made it to the final edition of the game
XT XTremeal then explain how I did it on PS3 version
Hroggar is innocent..ever heard of school of illusion?
I've never encountered Hroggar in Alvas house I always sneak in the day and kill her while hes out chopping wood
You can save Margaret too if you kill her attacker and there's unique dialogue at multiple stages of the quest involving her
A shame there isn't any unique dialogue for saving Roggvir in Solitude. It is possible, though ludicrously difficult.
It’s strange, I never got to meet Eltrys at the Shrine of Talos. Very first time I went in there he was dead and I was sent to prison
I just went into hrogar's house DURING THE DAY when he's working at the mill and kill alva who is asleep in the basement. Hrogar thanks me later
Big brain maneuver right there.
You can even save Alva by petting her go and not attacking her at malacath castle. Shes not even hostile to you
@@AndromedaPrima She's hostile, but its a glitch where she just runs back to town. Though the townspeople will attack and kill ker
I found out if you don't kill Alva and just take the journal to the Jarl, Alva will disappear from Mortal and spawn in the Vampire Masters cave.
It's funny, I've got a weird glitch, probably a mod causing it, where she just appears in Morthal right after I pick up the journal and the guards are already attacking her without turning the journal in.
Me: has more money in game than I know what to do with Also Me: Mad at 8:00 when I discover I could have gotten money from Eltrys
Storm Jinx I have strongboxes full of money and no issue with paying Deep-In-His-Cups the full amount at that point. I want all of the money.
Im angry cause i could help him but i didn't
If only in-game money could magically become the real thing; I'd be set for at least fifty lifetimes
You can spare Alva too. I snuck in once and stealthed passed Hroggar to find that the basement was empty. After stealing the journal and successfully sneaking back out, I was sent to clear out the cave. I encountered Alva and she was passive and so I left her in the cave having spared both of them.
There are also some more of unique dialogues from Hroggar during the quest. You can hear them if you catch him working on the lumber mill during the day while going through the different phases of the quest (after talking to Jonna, killing Laelette, etc) Also you can avoid an encounter with both of them if you break into the Alva's house in broad daylight. Hroggar will be working at the lumber mill as usual and you can find Alva sleepin' in the coffin as vampires should do. If you sneak-steal the journal from her - she'll wake up and run. If you follow her then - you can watch the guards making all the dirty work for you. :D Can't recall if USKP adds this mechanic though or if it's present in the clean game.
14:00 "I used to be cannibal like you. Then I took an arrow to the throat."
XD
The only real choice is whether you abuse smithing and alchemy or not
How do you abuse it?
There was a CHOICE? Are you serious? I don't know how you could resist that skinner box of compulsive perfectionism, no matter how dirty or violated you felt afterwards.
It's a multi-step process called the Resto Loop. You wear armor that improves your Alchemy, make a potion of Fortify Restoration, drink it, and then before leaving the inventory remove and re-equip your +Alchemy gear. This causes the effect to be amplified. You then make another Fortify Resto potion, which will now be stronger, and remove and re-equip the armor again for even more amplification of +Alchemy. The effect explodes exponentially until you're making potions that are improving your skills by billions of points, which also nearly immediately gets you to level 100 Alchemy. With that going on, then make some potions that Fortify pretty much anything else. Take Smithing for example. Drink a potion of more than +100000000% Smithing (i.e. "Improving weapons is % better") and then go improve an Iron Dagger or anything else. Not only will the Dagger have a damage stat in the absurd ranges, but you'll pretty much level up to 100 Smithing with just that one improvement. I believe the same can be done for leveling Enchanting, though not every Enchantment is affected by Fortify Enchanting. You definitely CAN make an enchanted sword with "Fortify One-Handed Skill by 1,000,000+ points" and armor with "Fortify Light/Heavy Armor Skill by 1,000,000+ points" to be effectively in godmode - I just don't know if it'll level you up faster. Another fun one is making a necklace of Fortify Speech/Barter in the millions. Things become very cheap. You can reset the Alchemy or Smithing skills to starting level after this to keep leveling up your character infinitely, and this can be done very early in the game. The only real risk is overflowing integer bounds while making the initial potions - if you go too high, the potions will overflow to negative values (which are usually treated as 0% improvement by the game), and can cause a CtD if you continue past that point. That much just takes trial and error. Good luck! This is unpatched as of two weeks ago, and likely will never be fixed.
Day one, learn jumping is faster than walking Day ten, learn to alch while jumping Day hundred, still jumping
@@Fern_Charlotte I thought the loop was you alch to enchant, then enchant to alch. Fortify alch potion sounds a lot quicker
During the forsworn conspiracy mission, I had my character really high leveled, so I tore through the entire city of markarth with a war hammer, and swiftly rode away on horse back with an insane bounty. Very fun.
It’s even more fun if you use Storm Call
I always saved Hroggar in my playthroughs, until I started modding. I don't know which, but I somehow downloaded a mod about whistling. You'll ask NPCs to teach you apparently. When Morthal was saved, I talked to Hroggar and he thanked me for saving him. I used the whistling npc choice, and he offered to teach me by giving a note in exchange for gold. When I opened the note, it was a scam.
😂
That sounds like a horse mod, where you can end up summoning your horse via whistle. Convient Horses I think it's called.
Nate: it’s possible to save almost everyone in the cannibal mission... Me:cool! Nate: but if you eat the guy you can get a pretty cool ring! Me: SO ANYWAY I STARTED CHOMPING!!!
I took the easy option to kill Eola. I kinda forgot that I could clear out the Draugr and then kill all the cannibals of Markarth: two birds, one stone.
Nooo! You can’t just eat the priest. It’s mean and disgusting! Haha teeth go munch munch
@@sharpe6 Bruh. Good meme, though.
Alex Coleman Rings ass but eating people still fun though
Extraneus Aemulus gay meme
When I met Eola, I turned into a werewolf and ate her. So, technically... it wasn't cannibalism.
UNO reverse
Umm you can't become a werewolf until you meet her and do companion quests
@@uncle8658 No, eola is not with the companions
@@uncle8658 You're thinking of Aela the Huntress.
@@uncle8658 that Aela not eola
For the forsworn conspiracy quest, I accidentally didn't do the Cydna mine portion because I just killed the guards. This was before the anniversary edition and I don't know if I could've done the mine part later, but I thought it was neat.
occasionally I watch all of Nates videos back to back and this time I've been away from Nate for months and omfg it's so good to hear that voice again
There's also an unmarked choice in the quest Blood On the Ice in Windhelm. During the part of the quest where you're asked to go to the palace steward and accuse the court mage of the murders, you can instead confront the court mage directly about it. There, you'll learn that he's not the culprit, and he'll use his magical knowledge to predict when the next murder will take place, thus allowing you to catch the real killer quicker and giving you a chance to prevent anyone else from being killed.
that whole quest is full of unmarked choices
See, that was something I didn't know. The video had things that I pieced together myself. ... ... Nevermind I have between 300 and 400 hours on this game.
@@tharwab And it's glitchy as fuck.
But then the amulet stays unidentified and marked as a quest item...
BaronSengir1008 Go to Calixto's shop and you get dialogue to sell him the amulet. After you talk to the court wizard and kill the murderer you get the identified amulet from his corpse and its no longer a quest item.
5:29 "completing the quest all without a drop of blood being spilled" he says as we see Thorald sitting in a pool of his own blood.
Yeas
Without spilling a drop of Racist Elf Blood... and your own blood....
thats what i thought XD lol
But he's not _dead._ And _you_ had nothing to do with the torture.
@@danielcolon979 Excpet your trying to save a storm cloak supporter and we all seen how they treat the Dark elves,.the kahjets and the argonians. Both the storm clocks and the thalmor are racists.
I was aware of all of these. However the Thalmor one was always bugged, and I wasn't aware that someone fixed it. It'll be good to know this now that I'm playing again after several years.
With hroggar and alva, you can wait for a dragon to attack the town and steal it while they're fighting, it keeps them both alive and hroggar still has the dialogue
I could go to Tullius and not shed blood... But who doesn't want to kill the Thalmor?
The thalmor did nothing, It's those pathetic men and so-called Man-god "Talos", HA
@@arminb.8798 you have an unpopular opinion
@@arminb.8798 You do know in Oblivion the main questline literally confirms Talos is a god by needing the "blood of a divine" to help open the portal to Paradise.
A A Talos is a title. It's a seat at the table of the Gods you could say, reserved for a mortal. The Last Dragonborn can become Talos technically. The Thalmor want to stop that, cause give man that right rather than a hard working Elf isn't right. At the end of the day the Elves have Mannimarco, so it's not like there aren't high elf Gods. :/
@@CornBreadtm1 "hard working elf" the Thalmor only care about themselves, they don't truly care about other Altmer, or any other mer. Amazingly I seem to have found myself in a debate over what fictional race in a roleplaying game is right
Hroggar's path has a no combat option too: chop wood and sell it to him to become his friend, wait until nightfall for Alva to go to the tavern, walk into Hroggar's house and he simply has a few words with you but otherwise lets you walk out with the journal, once you have the journal Alva will run to the lair, due to Bugthesda's coding though she won't be hostile to you and will actually help you fight the other vampires, after the quest is concluded she'll walk back to town like nothing happened. The end. Thorald's quest never had the non-violent option implemented by Bethesda. Fan mods did that later.
How do you know?
Well I tried the non violent method first time I did it and tullius just gave a flat no. I googled it at the time and got the answer it was impossible to do so never tried it again.
@@andrewfontana3136 i have done non violent version without mods after i completed the civil war questline so idk about that
well too late to do it this time around the castle has already been wiped out, I'll try next time ;) Maybe Bethesda had it working at first but broke it with an update. Not like that would be too hard to believe.
@@andrewfontana3136 kek, never pass on the chance to kill the thalmor my friend, unless you're rping as a peaceloving individual
This is one of the best skyrim videos I've ever seen. Thank you!
I know of these choices but some I do not want to do like killing all elves to free Avulstein Greymane, in fact I do it twice I come to the fort kill everyone once and then take the quest and a new bunch of elves are to be killed there again
There should have been a way to brute-force your way through the forsworn conspiracy. It makes absolutely zero sense that a maxed out character who is essentially one punch man would yield to a few corrupt guards. Master tier spells alone are enough to kill or enthrall an entire city. You could crush the door of Cidhna mine aswell as the overly confident sentient haybales that stand behind it with a single shout. You could manipulate the Silverbloods into exposing themselves through speechcraft or illusion magic, or just publicly execute them in a fashion of your preference. You could just be edgy and slaughter anyone who tries to frame you for anything ever on the spot with a muffle/invisibility/dagger combo without ever being noticed. You could paralyze the pigs who just made the mistake of being caught with the body of a civilian by the most powerful non daedric entity in mundus and turn them into involuntary bodyguards. Any one of these optoins would make more sense than just going "oh, looks like you got me" while pretty much wearing an infinity gauntlet
I mean, you can actually slaughter all the corrupt guards and get caught by a regular, non-corrupt guard when you flee the scene. There are a LOT of guards that enter the shrine though, so it can be a fairly tough fight.
@@VeraTheTabbynx It is not logical though. At some point, the guards would just not want to die (the tenth guard who stops you because of the quest might point you to nepos in order to not get gutted). the entire city guard burning dozens of soldiers into trying to capture an untouchable traveller who is going to expose the person who makes them walk to their deaths sounds like an unreasonable thing to do. There should have been a brute force optoin to solve this quest.
@@clausroquefort9545 Fair enough. It made sense for me playing along, then killing the shrine guards before going without violence with the non corrupt, misinformed guard afterwards, and then tearing cidnha mine apart because of my morality based playstyle. I saw no reason to act violently for most of the quest, then attacking everyone who either tried to threaten/attack me or was obviously in with the forsworn, who, no matter their reasoning for joining, are destroying the lives of innocent people because of the cruelty of a few Nordic generals. Morality rambling aside, yes, I agree with you. An option for an unstoppable barbarian playstyle would be a very nice addition to that quest. More choice is always good.
Killed the guards, fled the city cause I was wanted for murdering all the guards. Never came back. Not an end to the quest but most likely course of action in that situation
You can actually escape those guards as the TES wiki says
*"Significant ingame consequences."*
Yeah, but, but - you can get kicked out of a guild! And pay a measly sum that negates such an action and has no other real effect... But you can also stop by and see a guy during a quest for a gold reward! You wouldn't have got that otherwise. Such a drastic change! He must have picked up that nonsense from gaming advertisements over the years, but it was still a fun video ;)
Boom. Butterfly Effect.
Players are a fickle lot aren't they...on the one hand they demand "real" choices yet they seem to conveniently forget that choices can have (serious) consequences. They want one thing ("real" choices) but without the baggage that comes with it which is ironically (or not ironically..) what makes them SO attractive to them in the first place! "freedom does not mean without consequences, it is simply our choice to accept responsibility for our actions regardless of whether it affects us or others negatively" *by somebody famous probably...*
Did you just Until Dawn us?
Hmmm that reminds me of a specific group of people currently making lots of fuss in the USA...hmmm who could that be...hmmm
For the first one, I always just snuck in with high sneak skill, never thought about killing him. For the Forsworn one, my best game glitched I think, cause the guy did not stop me after the attack until like 3 months after it happened, and I had gone to Markarth a number of times before he stopped me.
Wow 2 new things ive learnt didn't know u could flee from battle of whiterun and there's a unique dialogue good job with this video 👏
I killed the guards who killed Eltrys, I killed everyone in markarth who went after me. Only later did I learn that being captured was a part of the quest
Deadly Orange Lol i did that too.... I seriously didnt want to go to prison.
I only did the cidha mine quest on my most recent playthrough. If I did any of it before then, I always ran. Like, capturing me is YOUR job. If you suck at it then why should I be forced to do the rest of the quest guards. Lol
Deadly Orange I killed everyone in markarth (except the ones you can't, sadly) because someone saw me stealing. I didn't wanna go to prison so I went werewolf, which went over like a ton of bricks.
I killed the guards who went after me, but only because I had stolen stuff on me and wanted to store it away first lmao
Same lol
Who would win? A group of powerful high elves, Or one wuthraadie boi
Your mom
Lmao
Dragons
Paralyze spell 😐
The thief archer-mage who uses the Nightingale Bow xD
I just played Skyrim today before I watched this video, and have done the mission in Hall of the Dead. I accidentally killed Eola. 😂 It was truly satisfying to know that that mission isn't going to be a long adventure anymore.
At 4:58, the voice actor for the general ( I haven't played, but I love watching these videos), is that actor the same guy that played Saul Tigh from Battlestar Galactica? Also: great video. Keep up the good work 👍
“You can spare Hroggar” Me, having played the game through 7 times: “you can kill Hroggar??!”
xD I thought that was the point in the quest too.
Same. Didn’t kill him ever. As a kid, I just ran by him and Alva to grab the journal so they both survived.
@@gujwdhufjijjpo9740 Alva goes to Movarth's lair if you fail to kill her.
Seven Pointed Star - i must be mixing up my games then cause I just remember her still walking around town. Haven’t played the game in a while.
I mean she says and you can see this in the videos sample gameplay dialogue “you must prove him innocent or guilty” which insinuates that he doesn’t need to die because you can prove him “innocent”
To save Hroggar, you can also go into Alva's house while Hroggar is at work at Morthal's lumber mill. No spells needed if you go this way.
My first play through I accidentally did this. In the next few play throughs I was confused why he was in her house and hostile.
i just had my sneak maxed out he didn’t even see me and just went to bed
Or just sneak past him.
Idk I just did it and she was sleeping in her coffin and I just took the journal and brought it to the jarl. Didn’t kill her Hroggar wasn’t there.
@@appealtoreason7584 that's exactly what i did
Some i know : 1. Dark brotherhood quest. When you were kidnapped by astrid, if you decide to kill astrid instead of the captured. You will take an alternate quest of purging of darkbrotherhood sanctuary instead. 2. During the ring of hircine hunt, you can actually get the costume and ring of hircine both withouth a glitch. First spare the werewolf at the end of quest and leave the cave, hircine will reward you with his ring. Re enter cave and kill the wirewolf and skin him. You'll get the costume too. And many more :)
I had a feeling I wasn't supposed to hurt Hroggar, so I made a break for it. Took a lot of tries to get the journal while not dying - especially since they *continued to attack while I was talking to the Jarl* - and I also had to spare Alva as a consequence, but after I did get away, Alva ended up at Morvath's lair where she could be taken care of easily.
I ignored him but suddenly the guards came in and murdered him for attacking me xD
I was playing as an imperial so I just used voice of the emperor to calm him down while Alva was at the tavern, took the journal, and bailed. I then killed Alva later at Movarth's lair bc she sucks