Ford Lightning MAJOR Battery Failure - Buyer Beware
The battery in my Ford F-150 Lightning's EV just failed after 11 months and 12,000 miles. This is a major issue and one that you need to be aware of before you consider buying a Ford F-150 Lightning electric truck.
In recent months, there have been a number of reports of the Ford F-150 Lightning experiencing major battery failure. I'm finding out that repairs can take months if you can find a dealer that is available. I also share my thoughts on the other electric truck options like the Rivian R1T and Tesla Cybertruck that is coming out soon.
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UPDATE: My Lightning was at the dealership for the battery replacement repair for 16 days, which was actually quicker then I anticipated. A few days after I dropped it off, Ford also assigned me a "Battery Electric Vehicle Agent" that emailed/called with regular updates. If Ford has a dedicated position for this, I'm assuming battery failures are a major issue they are trying to get in front of to stop the news from spreading. I have heard lots of stories from other EV owners that repairs are taking much longer then I experienced. I was not given an exact cost but the dealer told me if it was out of warranty the cost would have been $10,000 or MORE due to the cost of the replacement battery and significant labor required to switch the battery module out. So far no issues since I have had the truck back. I'm now on the fence if I want to keep the Lightning or not after this experience and questioning the reliability of the truck.
You are on KZhead so they probably bumped you up to keep you happy when the other smucks are still waiting months.
Just wait for the resale value hit once they're out of warranty....will be massive. And driving an EV truck as if it's a car isn't really a fair comparison to an actual truck that can tow and haul...which is what many owners use them for. Lightnings towing are pitiful with range of around 100 miles from what I've seen...not acceptable for people who need a TRUCK.
Thanks for the update on this, I was wondering about the outcome. Did they replace the entire battery, or just parts of it? If they replaced the entire battery, does the battery warranty start new and you have another 100k mile warranty from your current mileage? Guess Im thinking about the cost of fuel, ICE vs EV. That approximate math over 200k miles for ICE can be upward of $30,000 vs $12,000 for battery. Even if the new battery did cost you 15k, it still seems a little cheaper, all other things equal. It's a tough call, I would like to purchase an F150 Lightning but stuff like this has me waiting it out. Sticking with my 2010 F150 :-). Its paid for.
They only replaced the 1 battery module that went bad.
Sell it, while you can. If anyone buys it
AND ONLY 7 MORE MODULES TO GO BAD
Reminds me of every time I take my grandson to Chuck E Cheese to play "whack a mole"!
EVs without infrastructure are junk. Hybrids are the best short term answer until batteries and infrastructure catch up. Steam engine went extinct in the 40s and diesel electric locomotives have been their replacement sonce them. Today, Edison Motors has a succesful hybrid logging truck that beats the Tesla in both power and most importantly NRA. No range anxiety. Get it strait ..The infrastructure TODAY CAN NOT support EVs but hybrids can and are doing it with mo infrastructure change and BETTER FUEL ECONOMY WITH PROVE TECHNOLOGY
I really don’t think battery technology is there yet. There are plenty of advantages to EVs if battery technology improves, but right now you’re seeing the results of central planning at its finest
What advantage? I'd love to hear what they're good for? All I see are frustrated owners. NO infrastructure. Charging and range nightmares. Terrible service and dealer response. The batteries are a TOXIC NIGHTMARE and degrade over time. Resale is terrible. You're still using COAL and FOSSIL FUELS to charge the things. This is insanity to me. Look at the car lots. They're full. This is going to be a huge bubble burst, you watch. Maybe I'm missing something, but I don't think so.
@@KenMac-ui2vb I mean the drivetrain efficiency alone is a big deal. ICE can barely reach 35% where was EV is close to 95%. Reducing particulate pollution in urban areas would also have major impacts on air quality and human health.
Listen, I have no argument with reducing emissions. Never have. But it has been shown that our fossil fuels can be reclaimed, refined and utilized cleanly and efficiently. I even understand the goal of reducing emissions in urban areas. It all makes sense. What drives me nuts is the hypocrisy and flat our fraud going on. Do you realize China, India and Pakistan fire up a new, unregulated coal fired plant with no emission controls EVERY 12 days. And nobody sucks them out of a trillion dollars a year for 'climate change' ... smh Do it right. Build an infrastructure and treat the consumer with an honest cost/benefit EV vehicle. Right now, it's a joke. A tax payer, subsidized joke.@@griffint6637
Battery tech is there for many years now. I've got ZERO problems with my Teslas.
@@wolfgangpreier9160 I work construction and I can assure you battery technology is not “there” yet. I would not be able to carry materials to and from job sites during winter months because Li batteries lose so much range in cold temps
Wait till they fix it!!!!
The lightening battery has on the order of 7000 cells all wired together. That's a lot of failure points.
EVs without infrastructure are junk. Hybrids are the best short term answer until batteries and infrastructure catch up. Steam engine went extinct in the 40s and diesel electric locomotives have been their replacement sonce them. Today, Edison Motors has a succesful hybrid logging truck that beats the Tesla in both power and most importantly NRA. No range anxiety. Get it strait ..The infrastructure TODAY CAN NOT support EVs but hybrids can and are doing it with mo infrastructure change and BETTER FUEL ECONOMY WITH PROVE TECHNOLOGY
This situation seems to be widespread so far in Quebec, Canada and the way in which Ford manages this is unacceptable. A new product under quality guarantee should not be held at a dealership for more than a week. In the best scenario Ford could simply replace the battery with a new one and send the defective one to the workshop for reconditioning for future rapid replacement of the defective battery.
EVs without infrastructure are junk. Hybrids are the best short term answer until batteries and infrastructure catch up. Steam engine went extinct in the 40s and diesel electric locomotives have been their replacement sonce them. Today, Edison Motors has a succesful hybrid logging truck that beats the Tesla in both power and most importantly NRA. No range anxiety. Get it strait ..The infrastructure TODAY CAN NOT support EVs but hybrids can and are doing it with mo infrastructure change and BETTER FUEL ECONOMY WITH PROVE TECHNOLOGY
Government protected so they say fuck you and you money back
When it comes to EV’s, Fords greatest advantage is their dealer network but it’s becoming a liability 😢
EVs without infrastructure are junk. Hybrids are the best short term answer until batteries and infrastructure catch up. Steam engine went extinct in the 40s and diesel electric locomotives have been their replacement sonce them. Today, Edison Motors has a succesful hybrid logging truck that beats the Tesla in both power and most importantly NRA. No range anxiety. Get it strait ..The infrastructure TODAY CAN NOT support EVs but hybrids can and are doing it with mo infrastructure change and BETTER FUEL ECONOMY WITH PROVE TECHNOLOGY
I think this is part of the reason they put a temporary hold on production a few months ago. Apparently, they fixed the issue and preserved production
No they can't sell them. They have plenty on the dealers lots and they don't want anymore.
EVs without infrastructure are junk. Hybrids are the best short term answer until batteries and infrastructure catch up. Steam engine went extinct in the 40s and diesel electric locomotives have been their replacement sonce them. Today, Edison Motors has a succesful hybrid logging truck that beats the Tesla in both power and most importantly NRA. No range anxiety. Get it strait ..The infrastructure TODAY CAN NOT support EVs but hybrids can and are doing it with mo infrastructure change and BETTER FUEL ECONOMY WITH PROVE TECHNOLOGY
Hold was a headlight issue on all 2024's. Apparently they can get water in them and short / turn off while driving.
I want a full tank in 3 minutes and zero battery degradation after over 300k miles and able to drive all the way down to zero and not down to 5 percent and also able to carry a 5 gallon jug of electricity for twenty bucks. Oh wait my ICE car does that.
There’s no way your ICE has zero power or efficiency degradation after 300k miles, which is effectively the same as battery degradation.
@@adamcarlson4922 Maybe I'm getting 31 mpg because of magic.
@@adamcarlson4922modern cars are not like the old carburated ones that need constant tune up's to keep going, if your car is down on power or has poor mileage, there's something wrong with it. A 300k mile motor in good condition, well maintained should have nearly the same mileage and power as a new one.
I have tried and failed to run my ICE to zero and it still work. PLEASE share your secret. It could put Saudi Aramco out of business!!!!
I want you to stop polluting the air for my children. Who will win? You polluting the air or my children?
I have two Tesla’s and loved the service options. Take it and it’s done all on the app, in fact they’ll even come to you. Your story is the reason why people don’t want to buy EV’s from dealers. Go get a Cyber Truck tomorrow. Why wouldn’t be a good day to day truck?
The grass is not always greener on the other side. Having driven all of the big 3's trucks now, I have had issues with every single one. Check your state's lemon laws in terms of buyback if it lingers on. I understand the frustration, but hopping to another unproven truck (Silverado EV or Cybertruck) might put you in the same or a worse spot.
Tesla has been building EVs for much longer than Ford. The Cybertruck will not have any motor, inverter or battery issues. The suspension and steering are the potential problem spots.
My local dealer actually sold his dealership over EV problems and cost to service them. Family owned dealership since 1961. Very sad Ford is going down the EV path.
So Ford has slowed production of the lightning and moved a bunch of workers to other plants due to low demand... Yes you are saving money in gas, but the upfront cost of the truck and the future cost of battery replacement of $20-30k + will just eat up the "Savings"..
EVs are the future, so Ford should be in the game. But don't rush products out the door
FORD lost 4.2 BILLION DOLLARS last year on EV. Genius. SMH.
@@KenMac-ui2vb Right! And now dealers are sitting on thousands of expensive vehicles that will suddenly get $5000 price increase as the tax incentives are going away. Ford supposedly lost $34,000 for every EV's they've sold...and that number is only going to go up as they have to discount the current inventory or they'll never sell them. Great business plan!!!
You want to force Ford to continue polluting the air for our children because some dealer went bankrupt?
You can also request a buyback if it's under 24 months old and stays in the shop for over 15 days
EVs without infrastructure are junk. Hybrids are the best short term answer until batteries and infrastructure catch up. Steam engine went extinct in the 40s and diesel electric locomotives have been their replacement sonce them. Today, Edison Motors has a succesful hybrid logging truck that beats the Tesla in both power and most importantly NRA. No range anxiety. Get it strait ..The infrastructure TODAY CAN NOT support EVs but hybrids can and are doing it with mo infrastructure change and BETTER FUEL ECONOMY WITH PROVE TECHNOLOGY
Definatly make the em buy it back.
I think it depends on the state. Where I live it's 30 days. I'm on my second failed module in under 14,000 miles. I asked for a buy back and should find out tomorrow if they approve it and what's offered.
I bought 2023 at the end of July I have 2281 miles on the truck and 10/10 I got the same message. I called Ford they towed it into the local Dealer. It is still there. Mine was the 4th module that showed a lower voltage then the rest. They were able to get the new module, but they could not get their battery balancer to work so they had to order another one. Then at the beginning of November they found they were missing the cable to connect to a Lightning to balance the new module to the rest of the battery. I just found out yesterday that each time the find some they are missing the order it ground which to me is completely unacceptable after all this time. They should be shipping overnight. The cable is supposed to arrive next Tuesday it will probably take another week unless they find some other equipment they are missing. I cannot believe they don't do their do-diligence to make sure they have everything they need. They told me this will be the first time they have done this which does not make me feel very good based on their past performance. I here that after the repair the software update will make it so it will be less sensitive to voltage differences, but I have no proof just saw it in a forum. Supposedly it will also reduce the speed of the fast charge, but again no proof. I barely got to drive this truck and already in the shop with a major problem. Since the Dealer has not done this before I hope after this is not turn into one thing after another or shabby work that causes other issues. But even after all this I like this truck. The short time I have had it I love that charging at home it costs me a fraction of what a gas or diesel truck would cost for fuel. That is the one thing why I never bought a truck because it costs you a fortune in fuel costs for day to day and little errands here and there. At first I had the range anxiety, but then I started treating it like my smartphone and just got in the habit of plugging it in every time I get down to about 50% and only charge to 80% and that has been great to always wake up to pretty fully charged truck and never have take time to go to the gas station. I am still positive on this truck I would not give up on it for anything. I love this truck. Even if Ford reduces production it will only make my truck go up in value. Proof of that is when GM first tried electric cars in the 90's and they had the small EV truck years later it cost more then the original. For all the nay-sayers on EV's all I got to say is if we had people like you back when the first automobiles came out with absolutely no infrastructure we would all be still be riding horses. Just like Microwaves and Computers it takes pioneers to get it all worked out for rest.
Start a buy back process and get a full refund
Yup that’s a lemon 🍋 car and we here in California are protected. So have them pay it off and get your down back and go tesla
Next time buy a gas powered F 150. Don't be trusting this new tech. Ford will make you wait ages as they lose money on the Ford Lightning.
It will never go up in value. When you are done with your truck it will be worth nothing. They are throwaway vehicles. Dealers cannot give them away.
How many people are in abusive relationships with their vehicles and just go back for more. Silly people.
Same exact issue here. Happened late September at about 8800 miles. I’ll have to look at which module it was but it did take just under a month for the dealer to get it fixed and that was largely due to supply. I’ve put 1400 miles on since the fix and so far no issues. Ford was great at contacting and updating me. I gambled going with the Lightning but it is designed so well that it was the right fit for me. I traded in my’17 f150 eco-boost due to several factors including their 10 speed transmission experiment that only lasted 90k miles, plastic drain pans that lose their seal (trans wasn’t leaking) and ford’s consistent recall across their entire product lineup. One more issue and Ford is dead to me😂
Plan to keep your Lightning or trade it in? If I have another major issue with it, I’m moving on
EVs without infrastructure are junk. Hybrids are the best short term answer until batteries and infrastructure catch up. Steam engine went extinct in the 40s and diesel electric locomotives have been their replacement sonce them. Today, Edison Motors has a succesful hybrid logging truck that beats the Tesla in both power and most importantly NRA. No range anxiety. Get it strait ..The infrastructure TODAY CAN NOT support EVs but hybrids can and are doing it with mo infrastructure change and BETTER FUEL ECONOMY WITH PROVE TECHNOLOGY
If it's Lithium or Lithium base or like most rechargeables.. Beware ! Here you go, in plain English Lithium batteries are regulated as a hazardous material under the U.S. Department of Transportation's (DOT) Hazardous Materials Regulations (HMR; 49 C.F.R., Parts 171-180). Exposure to Lithium can cause loss of appetite, nausea, vomiting, diarrhea and abdominal pain. ► Lithium can cause headache, muscle weakness, twitching, blurred vision, loss of coordination, tremors, confusion, seizures and coma. This isn't for me or my family.
Better get rid of your laptop, phone, cordless shaver/toothbrush etc etc etc.
wait until he finds out what happens when you inhale gasoline.
Get rid of your phone and everything that uses a lithium battery, lol
@@TherealPlayfourlife basically the same thing I said. 🤣
@DigikidForever I know it just had to be said again cause he's too stupid to realize almost everything wireless is using a lithium battery, including his phone 😂
No EVs for me. Reliable truck is the most important thing for me. ICE truck is the only way to go.
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EVs without infrastructure are junk. Hybrids are the best short term answer until batteries and infrastructure catch up. Steam engine went extinct in the 40s and diesel electric locomotives have been their replacement sonce them. Today, Edison Motors has a succesful hybrid logging truck that beats the Tesla in both power and most importantly NRA. No range anxiety. Get it strait ..The infrastructure TODAY CAN NOT support EVs but hybrids can and are doing it with mo infrastructure change and BETTER FUEL ECONOMY WITH PROVE TECHNOLOGY
You might not have a choice but to go EV,several states aren't allowing gas cars to be sold or used by 2035.
@@galvinstanley3235, why can't you go to another state and buy one?
We had similar issues with our Mach E GT. Eventually we lemon law it
I’m feeling you brother. And thanks for the video I was thinking about switching to the lightning. Currently my Mustang Mach-E is in the shop and it’s been there for six weeks because of a battery issue they are waiting for parts. I’m pushing for a re-purchase on this vehicle. The F150 lightning was on my shortlist, and now it is not…
Do you know exactly what the battery issue is with yours? The repair timeframe is ridiculous. In my opinion.
@@EV_Insiderbattery modual on back order. They could've replaced the battery a month ago, but the want to save money. No it will cost them a buyback
EVs without infrastructure are junk. Hybrids are the best short term answer until batteries and infrastructure catch up. Steam engine went extinct in the 40s and diesel electric locomotives have been their replacement sonce them. Today, Edison Motors has a succesful hybrid logging truck that beats the Tesla in both power and most importantly NRA. No range anxiety. Get it strait ..The infrastructure TODAY CAN NOT support EVs but hybrids can and are doing it with mo infrastructure change and BETTER FUEL ECONOMY WITH PROVE TECHNOLOGY
Bummer to hear, hope they fix it quickly. I'm a few months and 2k miles into owning my lightning and its been great so far.
EVs without infrastructure are junk. Hybrids are the best short term answer until batteries and infrastructure catch up. Steam engine went extinct in the 40s and diesel electric locomotives have been their replacement sonce them. Today, Edison Motors has a succesful hybrid logging truck that beats the Tesla in both power and most importantly NRA. No range anxiety. Get it strait ..The infrastructure TODAY CAN NOT support EVs but hybrids can and are doing it with mo infrastructure change and BETTER FUEL ECONOMY WITH PROVE TECHNOLOGY
Great video...My neighbor's Lightning has been in the shop for software problems and some rattles. He has said a million times i wish i didn't buy this junk. Service Manager told him these trucks are having serious problems, and they are not selling very well.
Thanks for sharing
The problems are the rapid depreciation, when the traction battery is tired or failed the EV truck is scrapped.
When you ask a dealer to make a major investment of $500,000 to $1,5000,000 to be able to service EVs, then don't have parts available to do repairs, you set up a situation where dealers can't be bothered.
When you buy an electric vehicle you are trading moving parts for extremely complex and expensive electronic components.
Tried and tested moving parts on top of that. Shit that's already been proven.
@@payne7761 “tried and tested” Right, because internal combustion engines and transmissions NEVER have problems. 😀 I agree that Ford has to get their act together on these first-model year issues, but if they can become as reliable as GM’s EVs (I have 3 of them that haven’t given me ANY issues) they will be so worth it.
Yeah unless you have a tesla it isnt that complex. It wouldnt take me long to replace the entire PDM in my EV or figure out where everything goes. Ya'll mechanics are just too retarded to understand electronics, or anything thats more complicated than *take out 3 bolts, put part in place, put 3 bolts back* Although a PDM replacement is just about that, but just with some wires. -An EV engineer.
Well said.
Yup. And traded a 6000.00 engine or 4000.00 transmission for a 50 THOUSAND dollar battery!
Same thing just happened to my lightning, year and a half in 47,000km. Very concerning, this is happening a lot more than we know. Warranty is only good until 150,000km, I was told by dealer $20,000 repair cost if this happens outside Warranty window.. and I've babied this truck too
Yep, it’s a major issue. Keep us posted on your repairs. Mine took about 3 weeks
@EV_Insider they're saying 2 weeks, dropped it yesterday. I had to put up a fuss for them to even offer me a loaner vehicle, brutal. Discovery Ford in Burlington Ontario Canada
Research the "early adopter penalty". It applies to all kinds of technology. Appreciate the honest review.
EVs without infrastructure are junk. Hybrids are the best short term answer until batteries and infrastructure catch up. Steam engine went extinct in the 40s and diesel electric locomotives have been their replacement sonce them. Today, Edison Motors has a succesful hybrid logging truck that beats the Tesla in both power and most importantly NRA. No range anxiety. Get it strait ..The infrastructure TODAY CAN NOT support EVs but hybrids can and are doing it with mo infrastructure change and BETTER FUEL ECONOMY WITH PROVE TECHNOLOGY
I never understand when EV companies have a problem getting parts out to replace stuff... They are still actively producing and selling these, why can they not divert a battery module like the same DAY to where people need it. Its greedy on them hoard them all for the new trucks to just go sit in a lot vs keeping their existing customers happy. Its not really a shortage, its the company deciding what to do with the supplies.
Most mechanics at the dealerships have no idea how to work on electric vehicles. Good luck on getting it back very soon
Edit. It takes me about a half hour to go get a battery, take the old one out, install the new one, and the drive home
Sadly when a major system fails it definitely makes one lose confidence in the vehicle. It would be useful to know what percentage of the Lightnings are having such failures. If the number is above 2% of all sold that could signal lots of defective batteries sold to Ford for installation in their vehicles. Unfortunately, in the rush to produce these EV's many manufacturers failed to have the supporting parts and supplies in stock for quick repairs leading to horror stories like this one where customers have to wait months for a repairs. The supply chain has not caught up with vehicle sales as all EV owners find out when they need something repaired.
EVs without infrastructure are junk. Hybrids are the best short term answer until batteries and infrastructure catch up. Steam engine went extinct in the 40s and diesel electric locomotives have been their replacement sonce them. Today, Edison Motors has a succesful hybrid logging truck that beats the Tesla in both power and most importantly NRA. No range anxiety. Get it strait ..The infrastructure TODAY CAN NOT support EVs but hybrids can and are doing it with mo infrastructure change and BETTER FUEL ECONOMY WITH PROVE TECHNOLOGY
Anything over 1 month on a vehicle less than a year old is not acceptable/reliable. Looking forward to the update. I hope it's a fast turnaround.
Seems strange that a complex gasoline engine is more reliable than a battery and electric motor. If you do a true comparison with depreciation and initial cost, most electric vehicles come out second. I own a conventional car and a plug in hybrid. The hybrid is great for local driving, but there is no way it would be my choice on a trip or my only car.
Ford has the most recalls of any manufacturer.
kzhead.info/sun/qaigYdeynaasdXk/bejne.htmlsi=-YudEcR82E8vkMXi look at this Chanel this guy only woks on Ford vehicles and the reliability is not there and Ford have been making internal combustion engines for more than 100 years and it’s less than perfect.
Ive got 20 k on mine. No issues
These are the risks we take as early adopters. Good luck with your issue, I hope they get it sorted out for you soon.
I mean its not a problem with the technology. We've had the last decade of cars to show they're reliable AF. Its a Ford issue as they cant seem to make good EV's at all since they waited until the last second to do so.
@silvy7394 I dunno, I love my Lightning (23' Lariat). I have had it since December of last year with no issues. I tow a 7x14 cargo trailer all over Toronto (avoid the highway). I just can't stand Ford the company. They treat their Canadian customers like garbage because we are a drop in the bucket. But as far as I am concerned, they hit it out of the park with this truck.
@@silvy7394EVs are very new. Many things need to be figured out yet for long term reliability
EVs without infrastructure are junk. Hybrids are the best short term answer until batteries and infrastructure catch up. Steam engine went extinct in the 40s and diesel electric locomotives have been their replacement sonce them. Today, Edison Motors has a succesful hybrid logging truck that beats the Tesla in both power and most importantly NRA. No range anxiety. Get it strait ..The infrastructure TODAY CAN NOT support EVs but hybrids can and are doing it with mo infrastructure change and BETTER FUEL ECONOMY WITH PROVE TECHNOLOGY
Sir it made in Murica and by Ford ..what could go wrong ?
I would rather buy sushi from a gas station before an EV from Ford
I'm not trying to sound glib with this question, but do buyers of EV pickup trucks actually use them as a work truck picking up parts and hauling building supplies?
Some general number for the Ford F-150 Gasoline Trucks... Smallest fuel tank capacity: 23 Gallons for SuperCab. Least MPG: 14 MPG for 3.5-L High-Output EcoBoost V-6 4x4... Milage Range: 23 Gal x 14 MPG = 322 Miles (estimate). Bonus: You can carry an additional 70 Miles in the bed of the truck.... (5 Gallons of fuel).
What’s your favorite full size truck?
To me, it is more than just concerning. Makes me think that I would dump an ev at least 6 months before the warranty runs out.
Same thought, I would not keep any EV past the warranty period
Yeah and here in lies the greatest problem with EV's. Who do you think is going to want to buy a used up EV? Especially now that people are finding out their "maintenance free" vehicles costs an arm and a leg to repair out of warranty. I'm not buying a used car that's going to require thousands in repairs that take months to complete. I have never put more than $1500 into a used car and I drove that car for 8 trouble free years.
EVs without infrastructure are junk. Hybrids are the best short term answer until batteries and infrastructure catch up. Steam engine went extinct in the 40s and diesel electric locomotives have been their replacement sonce them. Today, Edison Motors has a succesful hybrid logging truck that beats the Tesla in both power and most importantly NRA. No range anxiety. Get it strait ..The infrastructure TODAY CAN NOT support EVs but hybrids can and are doing it with mo infrastructure change and BETTER FUEL ECONOMY WITH PROVE TECHNOLOGY
So a regular Internal Combustion Engine doesn't break down? 🙄
They do, all the time!
I've had exact same error messages but only with 400 miles and 1-week ownership lol
Bring it in asap!
Had one on mine, too. In shop for 29 days. Just traded it in for a Powerboost
That’s what I did as well last month. Love the Powerboost so far!
My 3.5 Ecoboost does 0-60 in six seconds. Plenty fast enough for me.
Given how often the company I work for has been replacing engines and transmissions in our newer trucks for work, I'd say that, given the number of lightnings on the road, it's not too unreliable, even with a major failure like a battery.
I wonder if the Mach-e has faced similar battery issues or if it has improved with later versions of the F150.
I’ve heard Mach-E has also experienced similar issues.
What about the silverado ev? You didn't say that as a possible replacement.
GM pushed back that launch the last I have heard. I could see even a bigger delay with the current market conditions
I had my whole battery for the bolt replaced -- still very happy with my EV. Cheers
Please tell us the dealership name. The one you bought it and the one gave you the loaner. Mine 2022 car just spent 114 days for a single repair. 114 days !!!
That’s crazy, what was wrong with yours?
@@EV_Insider Hybrid Power Control Unit (HPCU)
Looking forward to an update. I have a 2023 XLT SR. Picked it up April 6th. Over 9K miles so far. Other than a simple little glitch here or there it's been great. Small glitches have been corrected with a restart. Hoping it stays trouble free. It sucks that you have to pay for the gas of the loaner. It looks like a nice loaner but $85 a week is gonna suck if it goes on for months.
Exactly! I’ll share any updates
You will be paying more to power your truck. People with evs are saying when they travel and have to charge at a charging station , it costs more than gas. The government will be adding surcharges to registration to cover road maintenance. Since evs weigh more than ice vehicles. You will pay one way or another.
Just imagine the cost when this happens after warranty. I will pay for gas any day, not even counting up front cost
@@howebrad4601 I’m not an anti gas environmentalist. I’m anti to spending a shit ton of money on my vehicle. I’ve had Ram 1500’s, Chevy Silverados an F150 Ecoboost and a couple midsize trucks. They all cost a shit ton to fuel, maintain and repair. You just get bilked little by little by little. Over 10K miles into my Lightning and two tire rotations are my only PM cost. People think a battery has an issue and it’s thousands of dollars. Batteries can be repaired. And Tesla batteries have shown you can drive 100’s of thousands of miles. If we’re talking an electrical/software issue then that could just as easily happen to every ICE vehicle out there too.
EVs without infrastructure are junk. Hybrids are the best short term answer until batteries and infrastructure catch up. Steam engine went extinct in the 40s and diesel electric locomotives have been their replacement sonce them. Today, Edison Motors has a succesful hybrid logging truck that beats the Tesla in both power and most importantly NRA. No range anxiety. Get it strait ..The infrastructure TODAY CAN NOT support EVs but hybrids can and are doing it with mo infrastructure change and BETTER FUEL ECONOMY WITH PROVE TECHNOLOGY
Ford the “Recall Kings” wouldn’t touch a new Ford. And how much depreciation are you living with? Just doesn’t make financial sense the Lightening is an over priced under developed joke. You are going to get financially hammered when you go to sell it. Now you want a Cyber Urninal Refrigerator?🙄 Great content!
As PT Barnum said, “There is one born every minute.”
I am glad it got fixed.so I am waiting for my turn to come .it has been 5000 miles.
Just imagine the repair costs if this happens after the warranty expired. Not to mention the loss in value because nobody wants outdated 5+ year old EV's with worn batteries. I doubt these cars save money in the long run.
Utterly amazing to watch this poor guy convince himself things are alright when told it might be 2 -3 months before he gets his truck back. Meanwhile... pretty sure the payments are still coming due..
Lol....yeah. Those payments don't stop just cause the truck is in the shop. So now he has to make payments AND pay 85 bucks a week for gas. That's the thing.....regular gas cars may have more parts,but the parts are cheaper and easily accessible. I went to AutoZone the other day, and they tell me a new battery would be $194. Then I just saw some story the internet about somebody needing a new battery for the electric car, and it cost them $50,000. So hey..... pick your poison.
At least he has a loaner.
I have a 2023 Lightning and I love it too ! No problems yet after 7 months owning it , I hope Ford comes out with the battery extender ( battery pack soon I would love to get more miles per charge ! And hopefully the Tesla charging adapter comes out ASAP ,
EVs without infrastructure are junk. Hybrids are the best short term answer until batteries and infrastructure catch up. Steam engine went extinct in the 40s and diesel electric locomotives have been their replacement sonce them. Today, Edison Motors has a succesful hybrid logging truck that beats the Tesla in both power and most importantly NRA. No range anxiety. Get it strait ..The infrastructure TODAY CAN NOT support EVs but hybrids can and are doing it with mo infrastructure change and BETTER FUEL ECONOMY WITH PROVE TECHNOLOGY
Why don’t they take the part off of one of the thousands of Ford Lightnings sitting on lots around the US?
I was considering to get a lightening, went to the dealer, test rode, looked at leasing instead of financing, he said it’s better to lease and to replace the battery looking at 40grand, With the 3rd shift at the plant shuttered and supposedly the other shifts as well, Ford not taking any 23 orders, moving them into 24s, giving 1500 or 2500 credit, hearing this battery issue, that explains the code comes up lightening. In the end I’m not getting one. Don’t wanna be stuck with a truck I can’t trade in. Oh 400 dealers opted out of the lightening program and probably more. If anything maybe a hybrid.
About when warranty expired how you going to pay for other major repairs,
I would not own any EV past its warranty, too much risk
How much do you pay to charge the lighting for a year compared to gas?
For me it's around $600 / year vs $3,500 / year.
EV trucks are a joke: The huge cost, limited range, can't tow, difficult to recharge away from home.... And now this. And everyone must remember, charging will only be inexpensive until more people are doing it. Someday this technology may be viable. But it isn't in the forseeable future.
An electric truck is the very last thing I would ever buy.
I bought a Ford Explorer a year ago. They did not include the start/stop with it. They told me it would be 6 to 9 months and then they would have it installed. It's been over a year and not even a word. I voiced my complaint and no response. This is my first and last Ford.
How much do you spend charging the truck . Gas was 85, charging wasnt free.
Charging at home cost very little
Had the exact same message in early October. I believe the message was initiated by Ford as it showed when I pulled into my garage. Took 2.5 weeks to repair. Has been fine since.
Did you also have a battery pack replacement? Recall which one it was?
@@EV_Insider definitely a partial battery pack replacement, but I don't recall which one. The replacement parts came on a pallet. There was another Lightning in at the same time for the same repair.
Yeah, GM replaced the battery on my Chevy Bolt at 36,000 miles, and a new battery warranty started all over again. As early adapters we are all EV pioneers. I’ve got 67,000 miles on mine and all systems are still go. How will it be at 136,000 miles when the warranty expires? Will it make it to 200,000 miles? My break even point is 12 years. At that point I will have saved $30,000 in fuel costs, making it a free vehicle. Will it make it? There are a couple of Tesla’s being used as interstate couriers that have over 1,000,000 miles. I don’t expect that with my Bolt, but how far will it go? The experiment continues. 😊
Cybertruck just dropped for $80k. Ffffff that. Came here...now following.
Ya. Cybertruck also has the same range as the Lightning, far short from the 500 miles they initially said
What was the manufacturing date on your lightning? The EV system has a 8 Yrs warranty on it.
It was built in 2022 and I took delivery early 2023
@@EV_Insider Just bought one from Dealer and it have a date 1/2023.
Or 100k miles whichever is first
4:20 it’s fast until the battery fails on you. No EV for me, no way.
The roads i drive require me to obey speed limit and if i dont i pay tickets and more for insurance exactly how fast does one need to go my gas rig does the speed limit
If a battery is failing already Sounds like Ford is going to be losing customers due to this.
The cost of battery repair or replacement, will affect the resale value.
Need a hybrid that has an electric drivetrain, gas generator to power the drivetrain, and a battery for starting the generator only.
Well, I hope your Cybertruck reservation is pretty high. It looks like you are going to find good use for it and then the advantage of all the Supercharger network. And Tesla has all the advantage of building battery powered vehicles for well over a decade now. So the likelihood of a battery issue is low and if there is one, they can fix it much quicker.
There is no difference between this and an engine failure, which happens often to every brand. Ford has an 8 year warranty on the batteries.
So, I just received the same error this month on my 2022 Ford F150 Lightning Lariat. My local dealer in Maryland kept my vehicle for 11 days to order parts and replace the faulty battery pack. I am a little concerned since my vehicle was also part of the January battery recall that was only supposed to affect trucks that came from one of Ford's plants. I went to different Ford dealer for that recall and it took almost two months since their equipment broke at that location. Hence, the reason I decided not to go back to that location for this issue. I'm curious to know if EV owner's of different manufacturers like GM have experienced the same issues with the Hummer EV, Cadillac Lyriq, or even Silverado EV since they use the Ultium battery. The 2023 Lexus RZ uses a different battery pack as well. I think there is going to be a long period of learning how to maintain these vehicles at dealerships. I hear Tesla has this perfected since they've had about a decade of practice. However, I will say Tesla owners I know have taken their vehicles in for repairs far more than I have over the same amount of time of ownership. I'm looking forward to see the Lightning's refresh. Will they switch over to the 800v battery architecture? Will they be able to promise over 500 miles of range like Chevy Silverado EV and RAM 1500 REV?
Thanks for sharing, it was definitely been a learning curve with the Lightning and I’m still not sold on it. It’s great for around town but I would never take it on a road trip.
I have never had a vehicle break down where i couldn't fix it and needed to be towed. Retired now and don't want a vehicle that can shutdown or catch fire any minute.
Standard or extended range battery?
Standard range
It doesn’t seem like Ford has its act together. Sad they don’t have replacement battery modules readily available. This isn’t rocket science, just a supply chain issue.
EVs without infrastructure are junk. Hybrids are the best short term answer until batteries and infrastructure catch up. Steam engine went extinct in the 40s and diesel electric locomotives have been their replacement sonce them. Today, Edison Motors has a succesful hybrid logging truck that beats the Tesla in both power and most importantly NRA. No range anxiety. Get it strait ..The infrastructure TODAY CAN NOT support EVs but hybrids can and are doing it with mo infrastructure change and BETTER FUEL ECONOMY WITH PROVE TECHNOLOGY
ICE's have been being developed and improved for over 100 years. EV's are going to have some problems for a while... EV's have been around for 100+ years as well, but haven't been developed to the same extent.
The strike didn’t help part’s availability.
😮 .. thanks for telling us…. I know someone who just bought one today 😢
My Truck is in getting 2 modules replaced right now. I have a Lightning as a Loaner. I can't complain because my Truck has been Top Notch until this. My problem came after Ford's battery software update. Plugged in to charge and lights went all Red.
How much would this have cost, if you truck were used and out of warranty? That answer will show why it will depreciate rapidly. I look forward to your video on what they offer you on trade in. I certainly would never buy one used. Best lease an EV due to these things happening out of warranty.
your paying electric bill? If yes how much more is the cost monthly
The elec cost is not even noticeable on the monthly bill
If one module is defective Ford should have engineered that one module to be auto disconnected so now the truck runs on eight modules. This shutdown on the whole battery system is ridiculous.
Had the same problems on Renault fossil vehicle and took 6 months to get the parts.We need batteries and vehicles to be made in same country like tesla
Ford rushed it to market without the right software engineers. If I needed a work truck I would stick with gas.
Can you please post an update? We're all very interested in your situation.
See the top comment I pinned the update!
So what’s happening?? It’s been 2 weeks, any word or next video update ??
Thank God it did not burn down with you.
I took delivery of my '23 Lightning Pro with standard range battery, January 2023. I just passed 30k miles, with no major problems. I have driven this vehicle on several long road trips, my longest so far was over 1700 miles. Again - no issues. I believe this battery module issue is not common, but it is somewhat (very small percentage of the vehicles) is not surprising. With new technology comes new and unexpected issues. Hopefully Ford EV Engineering team is taking the data from this and improving this product.
My good Man, the battery of an EV are like the motor. If the motor goes bad a mechanic need to look at it and it may be a quick fix’s or a two days in the sharp until the part arrives. But after so many customers complain about the same thing when it come to the Battery. Prepare yourself for the worse because the dealership will never tell you the truth. Educated yourself in the problem with EV battery issue. The line is maybe two month long. I hope you gets your truck fix quickly. Good luck!
Stay with the loaner! No more stress!
Mine will not push through updates and hand free driving wont work now. Ford says they will eventually get this fixed? WTF?
It’s been frustrating to say the least
The low reliability is entirely understandable considering a battery pack has over 8000 individual battery cells. Each one of those is a potential failure point. A gas engine doesn’t have anywhere near that number of parts. A battery pack is a ticking time bomb. Only as strong as the weakest link. Imagine having 8000 light bulbs. Once one starts going out, the rest are soon to follow.
Time to request a Buy Back as soon as possible.
Never own a ford again when I waited 6 months for a recall I was approved for. They started blowing me off so I traded it in for a Toyota.
Why does Joe Boden not have one or two?
There are more EV models that have had widespread battery problems than not. (I've owned a couple, currently own an M3).
Sounds like your dealership is one of the dealerships that's thrown in the towel on the EV's. You know better than buying a first years production. Could you pay me enough to deal with all issues with the Cyber truck, including having an on the never-ending game of "Keep away" or "Hide and Seek" from the local branch of the "Gone In Sixty Seconds" crew.
Just think, the carbon deficit that each ev starts out with is equivalent to about 70000 miles. Now add another battery, and youre at 140000 miles before your total carbon emissions go below those of an ice vehicle. Makes no sense. Big fan of electric driveline, but the batteries arent there yet. These batteries are massively complicated electrochemical engines. Way more complicated than a good old fashioned gasoline engine.
As a contractor in BC Canada, there is no way an ev truck would do our day to day. I just bought a used 6.6 duramax HD truck