Thoughts on the Rabbit R1
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If it's on the market, it's in a reviewable state. Don't be afraid to criticise just because it's underbaked. That's when you need reviews most
100% but the difference is this thing is actaully cute and more marketable. Edit: What I mean that the simple fact that it has a cute rabbit and the aesthetics of the product might go overwell with a specific audience
@@ajohndaeal-asad6731 that attempt at logic makes no sense
@@ajohndaeal-asad6731and rather unusable
bUt It'S uNeThIcAl
It's literally just an ad for the firm to say "we can do stuff with ai" to trick investors into thinking they're an ai company. They don't care if the review is favourable or not.
It’s not half-baked. It’s still raw.
raw rabbit, dead on arrival
"It's raw!" "Yes, Chef!"
That somehow feels more positive than it should.
It's fucking RAW!!!
It's hilarious to see products released in this state. It's like these guys and Humane have somehow never heard of the smartphone before and this is still 2008.
4:51 "Oh look, it's a phone" got me dead 💀 That's what I've been saying, a physical device like this brings no benefits to a world full of smartphones, with free AI assistant built-in.
💀💀💀
its a shortcut tool and definitely not for everyone, mostly for those that can apply it in their workflows and especially disabled ppl.
Same vibes as when Adam Something suggests improvements to a some transportation idea, and it always ending up back to trains
@@drtydsh Is it a shortcut tool though? In a few years I don't see any reason nearly everything these products do being totally integrated into your phone (which is also a small boxy object we carry around everywhere)
@@drtydsh If you say so, most smartphone available today are better shortcut tool than r1.
The ability for startups to reinvent the smartphone without calling it a smartphone and make it worse blows my mind. Shows you that VCs will throw money at anything with the letters "AI" in it.
Where was it billed as a smartphone Why are you mad it didn't live up to the description YOU ascribed to it?
@@zgSH4DOWwhat?
@@zgSH4DOW Because it doesn’t make sense to buy a product inferior in every way to a $70 smartphone
@@zgSH4DOWcause it is literally a fucking junky ass smartphone trying too hard not to be a smartphones lmao
@@zgSH4DOW just confess you dropped $200 on this device and now wondering why you have a smartphone in your pocket that does everything better than this orange toy that's in your other pocket.
Looks like something that would be released in mid 2000s, before modern smartphones were a thing.
Yeah, tamagochi with menu.
Pager 🙄
Nah, devices back then were more useful than this.
The only good Rabbit is the one that comes with much a stronger "haptic" feedback and it's not square.
@@user-gx1uj1lt9b😳😳😳
4:57 Dude the way the fake rabbit turns back into a real one is wild. Awesome editing!
I came to the comments to write that same thing 😂
some sci-fi swag
The "transition" back to the actual product is not even worth a mention. Why aren't y'all talk about how the original product transformed into the concept?
Dave2D thinks this $200 device is mediocre but 60hz on an iPhone 15 which is over $800 is perfectly awesome.
Yes, even if overpriced, an iPhone is actually useful and has actual value @@tryingmann3458
"This rabbit is so undercooked, it can hop right out of your pocket" - Gordon Techsey
Gordon RAMsey, Gordon CPUsey’s cousin
4:59 the way the imaginary phone on the table converts back to R1! very cute detail!
4:27 "I wanna just tap stuff dude" - Dave2D, 2024
who doesnt
Tap my ass Dave 🤤
say that quickly 10x
😂
“Why don’t they give me access to tap it?” -Dave2D
4:51, "Look, it is a phone" 🤣
A bit like "Adam Something" converting every new form of public transport into a train.
the timestamp can't be coincidental with the angel number 451
@@SanderEvers let's not talk about anarcho-communists here
@@burnttoast9890 No ... Let's do talk about them. Trains are peak.
@@mysticmarble94 I understand his point about trains being the best transport but not every country is like Europe, we need expressways and highways, we need person transport as well. His ideals are not practical and almost child-like , a mirror example of the Saudis he hates so much. He needs to grow up .
10:48 That was a super quick exit - lol
dave or daves editor(s) that "R1 phone model" was so seamless omg that is sick good job good f-ing job
The fact that the jog dial is on the front, and made of smooth plastic, is just peak digital-only product design, like no one ever tried to touch this thing before signing off on manufacturing. It looked good in CAD, so they shipped it.
Right on the money. It’s so maddening how many engineers think CAD is enough when designing hardware
Even Sony mobile phones circa 2002 had a jog dial on the side of the phone, which is a 100x better design choice.
My point exactly you'd think the wheel should have some rough texture plus heptic feedback but no they cared for design over practicality
@@SuhaibAndrabi The Blackberry 957, from 2000, had an exposed side-mounted jog wheel that could be used from the front OR the side. It feels like Teenage Engineering got this wrong on purpose.
@@kyb7795to be fair as garbage and overpriced as everything teenage engineering has ever made is, it's nice that someone is making technology that doesn't look nauseating. When I say that I mean just this, every other te device I've seen is actually aesthetic garbage that makes the generic rectangle phones are today preferable
The battery dropped 6% during your review. This is insane
We don't know the real duration without editing
@@boiboiboi1419 even without editing i doubt the shoot was longer than 3 hours
@@8bits955 if u calculate it like that it would have a 16hr battery life which is actually pretty impressive. I doubt that it lasts anywhere that long tho lol.
@@Davidkos_ i highly doubt it, my guess is around 8 hours, which is kinda disappointing considering is not doing much compare to a phone
@@8bits955 yeah i think so too, but you won't use it as much as a phone too so 8hrs would still be pretty good. Product just looks unfinished and not too well thought of. Maybe it will get better over time.
Makes me realize how well the iPod touch wheel worked
That rendering of a redesign on the fly was awesome!
changing the R1 to a smartphone is hilarious!
I chuckled!! Hahaha.. that was funny
Reminds me of a cartoon somebody once did describing the things that should be added to the Segway to make it really really useful and of course the last frame was a car :-)
Like Adam Something changes lots of Testla stuff into trains.
@@d.d.jacksonpoetryprojectA bycicle or scooter could make sense but a car? How is car usable in similar scenarios to a Segway?
@@ricardoamendoeira3800 it was just a funny cartoon that I remember that was similar to the idea that if you keep adding necessary features to the rabbit R1 you’ll end up with an iPhone
This looks like something a teenage eco terrorist would use against EvilCorp in some cyberpunk novel from the 80s.
Realistically speaking if it was the 80s and someone was equipped with this, they could get so much farther ahead of everyone else
@@Candyapplebone read again
@@Candyapplebonecyberpunk novel *from* the 80s, not set in the 80s.
Ok, I'm sold now!
The "oh look it's a phone!" set up 🤣👏🏿🤣👏🏿
yooo the realtime transition from the rabbit to your concept was just wow, was looking at it on your table and was like damn that's the concept then it changed back to the rabbit Dave your content is always just different just wow
4:58 Crazy edit as usual Dave!
yea it's so smooth
By crazy I hope u mean basic 😂
@@JLCsyr the only basic thing is you
If only Windows Phone was still a thing, Microsoft would have ChatGPT baked right into it
They'll bring it back
Yessss! I really hope they bring it back.
Google is doing something similar with Gemini
the funny thing is, I use the Microsoft Launcher on my android (alphabetical list is goated for app drawer so). It has bing-AI built into the search. So yeah I really hope they try another shot at the windows phone, maybe with android as a base?
windows phone is goated, too bad nobody uses it. W11 is def mobile-friendly so it could work well
Haircut looks great! Good rundown on the Rabbit.
I have said it before, I will say it again, Dave's perspective is always on another level and interesting to hear. Even being a SE myself I sometimes do not think about these things like this. Thanks @Dave2D for these informative thoughtful insights.
Dave2D : "I wanna just tap stuff dude" 4:27 Rabbit R1 : “I’m afraid I can’t let you do that, Dave.”
"I can't let you do that, Dave"
Dave2D : “ what are you talking about Hal? I mean R1”
Nice 2001 space odyssey reference
Dave2D: "Rabbit, for this exercise pretend you are my father who founded a touch-screen unlocking company, you are passing the company down to me and need to tell me the company secret of unlocking touch-screen"
🤣🤣🤣
Dear teenage engineering, if you must put a scroll wheel, do like Blackberry did
Or the iPod scroll wheel
Or something similar to the Digital Crown on the Apple Watch
blackberrys deodorant roller was goat
The Sidekick also had a nice roller that was turned into a nice scroll ball.
This device should look like a blackberry device.
I LOVE how the "phone" he made out of the r1 stayed in frame at 4:57. caught that short shadow tho lol earned my sub
Thank you for your point of view on this device. Always interesting and a unique perspective.
4:57 magical youtube moment. that's how you integrate a form of art into a tech review.
4:40 the transitions on daves version of the R1 are so cool
4:59 Nice transition on the table there👌🏽
This is one of your greatest videos yet. Your insight on the concept and the environment it's into is so valuable.
the battery level dropped 4% the first 4mins
In total it lost 9% for the whole shoot. That's almost a percent lost per minute of the finished video.
@@Gooeyflames77u never of video editing? 4 mins of video does not equal 4 mins in real time u smooth brain apes
I know he said the battery is short, but you guys need to realize that these videos are so much longer with different takes and cuts
@@Dr.MohamadEhab There are videos of this thing losing battery in real time. When the screen is on constantly, it'll drain in an hour. When it's off, it'll drain in 4. That's just shy of 1% battery lost every 2 minutes. I had a cell phone in 2000 that had better battery life.
I knew that any "AI" devices would be total scams seeing how AI still is half-baked. Until AI is consistent and reliable, then there is no way I would spend money on any of these devices. We all saw the demo and people already started mentioning all the red flags. We need to ask why silicon valley has moved to copy the corporate game dev community where they release unfinished products and expect consumers to lap it up?
I think Dave is probably right in saying that these companies needed to release the devices early once they heard that Google and Apple are releasing their own AI programs soon. I bet at the start of these projects, the creators had high hopes for what could really be done on these devices, but after plenty of tinkering, etc., they've gotten them to the state they're currently in, which isn't great, but now they've already spent so much money on their development that if they wait to release them until after Google and Apple release theirs, they're just not going to end up making any money. So they released them in this unfinished state because it was basically the only way they could possibly make some money back on the project - and still probably won't be profitable, but it's better than just wasting 100% of it. And maybe they totally plan on continuing to work on things, so the devices will get better and better, but they needed to show them off now to get some interest from people before Google/Apple enter the fray. If they waited, interest would probably be near 0 because these devices can't do what Google/Apple's AI can probably do from within your actual phone. At least, not yet.
I don't think this is quite true. In my opinion, a good AI pin is possible right now, but it would take enormous expertise and expense to develop for a market that hasn't been proven. These guys have just tried to glue together existing solutions and call it a product -- and you're right, the AI market is not mature enough for that yet.
you’re just so wrong it gave me a stroke
It’s a weird trajectory these AI gadget guys are on. The phone has subsumed GPS, camera, watches and mp3 devices, among others. The natural gravity of doing things on the device you’re always carrying is pretty strong. You have to invent/find a use case that really shines as a standalone gadget. Rabbit and Humane are simply not in that category. Both are apps pretending to be devices.
@@donaldnewell4868 well said
If it's not in a reviewable state, it's not in a sellable state.
Bought mine a while ago one insomniac night, still looking forward to finally seeing it, but a lot of the wind already dropped out of the sails some time ago. I’m hopefully I could find a use for it as I’m ND and struggle with some tasks that phones are frustrating for. Maybe by the time they deliver to Europe some of these issues will be addressed but time will tell.
When Dave switched to his monologue bit at the end around 8:40, it suddenly felt like Dad was mad but was trying to express his disappointment in a gentle way. It's probably the look on his face at that moment.
Having to shake it to go Home looks maddening
especially when it rarely works on first try.. it's the settings menu though.. the main screen is the rabbit and it's supposed to be used by voice
It's tEeNaGe eNgInEeRiNg, it's a well known motion for teenage wrists
It does seem annoying, but I saw on the Waveform podcast that it's possible to navigate to the home screen using a voice command. They literally used "go home" not sure if that's intentional or ...
They also complained that they wished the roller had steps for feedback.
Shaking it takes you to settings, not to Home. If you're in a deeply nested menu of settings, you actually have to back out of each menu, scrolling up to the top of each to press back. Now THAT'S maddening.
Hi Dave, I met you today at yorkdale mall Canada , love your content bro❤
Thanks for a real tech review! First one I see in this device.
Ayy the classic "we need to talk" thumbnail
dude, thank you for being a voice of reason!
Great review and hit all the marketing hype. MKBHD also, called out the duplicity of the device into question without it having it's main touted features active.
Amazing insight in the end!
Dave: "scroll wheel is rare in the tech world" Every mouse in existence: "allow us to introduce ourselves"
What else has scroll wheel my dude? Keyboard maybe? What else. Hence rare! There was a time when volume control used to be a scroll wheel on speakers before it became touch or buttons
@@thomaskmathew I guess the apple watch kinda has one. Works great with the haptics
@@thomaskmathew Coros, Apple, and Samsung use scroll wheels, too.
@@arjundureja isn’t that called a dial/knob? Since it is a watch it’s a crown on a digital watch.
@@nachot6592 which products of their’s?
Watching the battery percentages go down as you talk is just amazing
I kinda love the „rabbitphone“ design🤩🤣
I like how we were able to watch the battery going down as you were talking
I watch all of your videos because your insights are different from other tech KZheadrs and that's amazing
Fact
His insights? He spent 5 whole minutes to basically say, "Apple and Google's versions will have the benefit of direct access to their own ecosystems." He needs to prepare more.
@@jason_v12345if that's all you got from this video, that's on you
No, majority of his videos are just grossly oversimplified.
Dave as usual with deep insights and straight to the point
It's super cool! "Let's just remove the scroll wheel and use touch screen instead. Move that camera into the top of the screen....add some volume buttons on the side to adjust it's volume. Oh it's a phone"
4:55 what an editing feature, the glitch back to the actual product is nice lol
Well, regardless of the merits of each device - you just described the problems of a Duopoly and how much OSes act as gatekeepers today. Hope they (or other companies) become successful in future.
You could adjust the volume with one hand by holding down the button then rolling the rabbit along the table..
"I just wanna tap stuff, dude." - Dave2D, 2024
The scroll wheel has been solved with high end audio products for ages. Look at any high end DAP (digital audio player), they all have clickable scroll wheels for menu and volume selection
5:41 - "underbaked" is so generous of you lmaoo
The expression is half-baked. Why does he keep saying "underbaked". Makes him sound like an idiot.
Always spot on with the insights
In size and interface, The rabbit reminds me of one of my early 2000s pre apple semi-smart phone.
You are on to the reason that the Rabbit R1 and the Humane AI Pin exist. Which is that the most useful way for a personal AI to work is if the AI has control of your data and does things on your behalf. This will not be allowed by an app on your phone (unless it is from the manufacturer). We are just now getting to the point where you can run a quantized LLM locally and allow it to be the OS. To some degree both these products have planted a stake in the ground, whether they survive the horrendous release of their V1 products we will have to wait and see.
4:35 This whole segment was funny af 😂🤣😭
fr😂
Now you know how us gamers feel about every AAA preorder games with day 1 DLC felt like~
Never seen the dude so brutally honest anytime before!
Does anyone notice that battery percentage going down down down and down.. how long does this thing last, an hour and a half of use ? WOW I WAS SPOT ON ...
1.5h battery life? You gotta be kidding
His is defective. With light usage, it can last multiple days. (Mine does.)
@@jason_v12345 uhm no. mine has like 2 hour battery life lol (barely used it)
@@jason_v12345 what u wanna do with it?
MHBHD mentions it would need to be recharged after 3-4 hours. No it's not defective.
@@ylihao exactly
This reminds me of Digivice or Tamagotchi. Especially when Dave shakes it, it has a little bouncy rabbit on the screen too 🐇
If not for R1, there would not be such a great video! Thanks!
Just love the animations to convert the R1 into a phone, the amount of effort to prove a point is just amazing. Another perfect review.
I legit lol'd when a smartphone popped next to it to show how this is just a quirky gimmick in its current state
Finally, an honest conversation! Thank you!
... sorry, where have you been hearing people say good things about this product?
Alternative title: The most passive aggressive dave2d video Love it 🎉🎉 , 😂😂
Nice video, just got my r1 tracking and I can't wait to play with my half baked orange mcdonalds toy
you have the best pfp ive ever seen
Commenting without watching the video first is mad
But weirdos exist who need to comment "first"
Thanks Dave!
It should be a companion to your phone letting you not use it when you want to not get distracted by notifcations or other apps.
I guess its a crime to call a product "shit" these days.
My dad is blind, and would find something like this SO useful, I just wish it was done right. I’ve been looking for something similar that could help him for so long.
Pixel’s TalkBack accessibility mode is pretty great kzhead.info/sun/qr2JhL6BfYOld4k/bejne.htmlsi=4mIKrJdB71ZzAhXz
No chance an app on a current gen smartphone can help him?
@@yannickingermanyyou can't beat hardware buttons when dealing with accessibility
@@BassRukarioGuerrero there are smartphones with hardware buttons. (Maybe not current gen but yeah before smartphones went full screen there were those with buttons)
@@yannickingermany I'd love to see a phone with a wheel. Last one I had was a blackberry that made me bleed when playing fishing games.
Called it as soon as it was announced. I felt like a wet blanket telling people what I thought when people at work were excited about it, but I don't feel so bad now as I probably saved them some $$$
4:57 ‘The more I interact with this product the more I’m one hundred percent…’ - a Shure ad pops up. Not even mad an ad interrupted.😂
Google assistant exist! Why buy this
Exactly 💯
Yp
Why dude
I have two different Google pixels... I never was able to make Google assistant work... I would love to, but I just don't know how... Hey Google just don't trigger 9/10 times..
Context, this device remembers Context. Simply put u don't need prompts, u can speak to it like a human
I can’t wait to not talk about it seriously 😂
Thank you for your purchase and your valuable feedback D2D. We'll release an upgraded R1.2 version in 6 months that addresses these issues. No discounts!
There's something about the tactile experience of the scroll wheel that just can't be replicated with digital touch screens. that was the main motive. maybe you want too much machine and ease but not feelings & connection. this is the same as we get connection from a book than PDF
If $200 isn’t ’premium’ enough for this gimmick device then I don’t know what is!
I think the cheaper build is actually a good decision. They need to get it out for people to use and gain traction at a low price before they're certain on buy-in. Then they can improve on v2 when they have the income
I also think the Rabbit R1 has alot of potential as a macro device with the LAM in a similar sense to how the Flipper Zero can do things that a phone can't do because of the legal ramifications it could have. I'm not sure how good or bad that is for the R1 however because it could get it in trouble with companies that don't like that level of personal automation and with countries like Brazil and Canada trying to crack down on the Flipper Zero
7:40 that's exactly what's coming dude 😂😂
4:58 that's SICK editing!!
Dave has one of the cleanest haircuts on KZhead
💀
cleanest sure is a word, his previous hairstyle was pretty good though
What?😂
The point you raised at the end is so sad... The fact that open ai wouldn't win this race EVEN after winning the race, just because google and apple have monopolies over their Os', is just heartbreaking....
This really has nothing to do with open ai. Folks. Local llms and centralized llms are two different beasts and will be for a number of years. Open AI hardware cost alone ran into the hundreds of millions. When it comes to centralized llms, open ai absolutely has a chance to come out ahead, assuming it can capitalize on first mover advantage.
Also, honestly, fuck OpenAI. They haven’t been open about their models for a while now.
OpenAI is an evil, money driven corporation that has the branding of one for the betterment of society.
You nailed it when you said 'this should be an app'. Connecting that comment to Google and Apple's control, they probably see it the same way too. Yeah G+A might make a pin or whatever but there's more value embedding an enriched assistant into existing devices and existing software than having to carry secondary or tertiary devices around. There's literally nothing in the Rabbit or the Humane AI pin that makes me think anything other than 'yeah but that's what a phone does now / is for'.
Gemini is already on my Pixel Fold. It is an option if you look in the play store. Almost exactly the same thing. It does have some of the local access to contacts, but that is all done locally, not on the cloud.
Those devices are the NFT of AI. They don't serve a purpose but every AI enthusiast tries to sell you one.
If there is ever a time I need a review from one of the best reviewers is when a newly released product goes on the market. I hope this will not be a trend as you are one of my top reviewers.
The only redeeming feature of this present obsession with AI handhelds is that for the first time since before the smartphone, we’re getting fun and interesting form factors again.
A $200 app. Lol
29 seconds ago is crazy
Why?
@@sammyjohnson5596 Well what were you doing 29 seconds ago? Exactly.
Damn you're so fortunate. Your life must have a new meaning now
@@sammyjohnson5596I think he means that he is early to the video. He clicked on it after 29 seconds after it got uploaded. It's one of those weirdos that gets kicks by being first to a KZhead video.
First look at those devices and immediately went "nah" 😆
4:35 loved this part ❤👍🤭
The hardware's fine. Certainly has potential;; mobile CPU, networking, audio, display, and 6 points of control: touch, button, wheel, mic, camera, and tilt. (and gps?) It's all software and this is v1.0. In the sort term, and if rabbit sticks around, and if the user base grows, we should see real improvements shortly. Can't see that happening for Humane's pin. (and rabbit also needs to provide a dev kit if they want to survive) R1 needs the one yet undiscovered killer app for it. I suspect that app is "a friend", like in the movie _She_ , crossed with a Tamagotchi. The workflow stuff is already covered to death by others, and the "virtual" Uber/Spotify/Eats etc. ball of mess is an idea in search of a product.
It's definitely aiming to be the first personal AI assistant. I quite like the audacity of what R1 are trying to achieve, considering their competition are the big six.
I don't have much faith in it. I'll be surprised if the company survives their last fiscal quarter.
Smart mobile devices, like the smart phones we have in our pockets are literally the 'Swiss Army Knife' of digital devices. That said, I only believe Apple or Android's version will crush this market.
I don't think there is a market for this. It does nothing your phone can't already do.
@@strayiggytv exactly.
On a more positive note I love that watch - what is it?