2011 BMW 535i F10 Lost all Steering wheel functions How I Fixed it
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How I repaired my 2011 BMW 535i Clock Spring Spiral Cable. The internal cables broke and I lost all my steering wheel functions and set off my air bag malfunction light. Watch to see how I fixed it and saved over $2000 which what a new one would of cost me.
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2 and a half years later and this repair has finally broke again. I may reopen the clock spring and see if I can repair it yet again just because.
You sir are fantastic. I am having similar issues with mine but its only the paddle shifters and the auto highbeam adjustment which doesn’t work.
@@Ali78699 Let me know what you find if you decide to open it up.
I also have the same issue and planning to repair it by myself.If i buy a used one does it need any coding ? Thanks
@@achujs I finally got a used one installed and I didnt need to code it. Make sure you get a similar one tho as some only work with certain headlight switches controls
Wow having a similar issue with my f10. Unfortunately having trouble finding one because I have the adaptive headlights :(
You just saved me a ton found one locally for $200 from a similar car that is been parted out, did it myself now I'm good to go. Still gonna try and fix the broken one for the heck of it, thanks a million
Thanks for the help! I know you are helping a lot of people with the clock spring issue with these cars. Thanks for the excellent informative video!!!
No problem.
Excellent video “DIY” at its finest!! Thank you! BMW needs to place this problem as a recall!! Because it is a very common occurrence!!
Here we are in 2024 and my 550i has this problem. I’m going to try this out and will repost when complete. Thank you!!! And thank you OP. This is the only video like this I could find.
Good luck, hope you can fix it.
Thanks man! Great tutorial. Fixed my car today, everything is working fine again!
Im glad the video helped uou save money on this fix.
awesome man! Just had this exact same thing happen and was thinking of sending it to the shop. You just saved me a small fortune! Great video!
Yea just a small fortune for sure, few grand. HA
Thanks for this video. Watching this gave me the confidence to open and solder my own. I also made a E-Net cable and reset the airbag light with Esys software
I have not did the reset yet, but glad to know it can be reset I have been asked about that alot.
Guy's I have an easy fix to this problem! Post it everywhere to help people save money. I got the same issue and after watching this video I opened up my wheel also. The cable was surely broken just like yours. I was going to solder it together but then I saw your comment that it happened again and too a closer look at the ribbon cable And figured I could fix the problem forever. I used to mess with electronics when i was younger and am used to soldering. So I cutt the ribbon cables out completely from both ends took out a multimeter and from end to end checked what the ampage the ribbon wire was showing. I went down to ACE hardware and bought some insulated Copper wire cut out the right size and checked the ampage from end to end to make sure it was the same as the ribbon wires. I cut extra wires the same size and the soldered the new copper wires to the clips the ribbon wire was soldered to put it against the side of the wall and hot glued it so that it wouldnt snag and break the soldered points ever again. I turned the housing to make sure the wire wouldnt be pulled apart while turning the wheel and it worked!!!! Ive been driving around almost a week now I opened the wheel again just now and noticed that yup its still holding strong hasn't been tugged at all it seems that if we spread the word We can save all of us thousands of dollars!! The reason I cut out the ribbon wire is because i have repaired my laptop screens many times and those ribbon cables are usually the type found connected to led screens and they can be bent at the ends where they are soldered at because they are thin copper strips they arent like copper wire which is braided so after a turn here and a turn there the opposite way itll surely snap sooner or later. So thats why I just did it this way if you guys cant solder then just buy solder paste which is a solder like glue. Smother the solder paste on the wire and ends and use a heat gun on it and itll harden. If you rather solder make sure you use something called flux its a clearish glue like substance connect the wire to the connector clip and rub flux on the wires then with the soldering iron and solder wire touch the copper cables and it should solder with no hassle. Im so happy that I came across this video cause I saved so much money just because of my hobby from when I was younger. Im sure the tech guys never would have told me it was this easy to access the ribbon cable And replace it and Thanks to this video you gave me the perfect idea. I told some people in the M forums and one guy i guess is using my idea but with his own sinister twist he started buying every part that was broken and is repairing it and said hes gonna sell them for $350 each and that makes me mad because i am giving this free so people can save money during these hard times and that MF is just thinking of ways to make money off it. Anyways i figured we spread the word We can keep ppl from having to waste money on this. Spread the word. The copper wire was only $7 for the little spool and a multi meter is only $10 at walmart. Make sure you get a thin insulated Copper wire because if its too thick you wont be able to make it long enough because the ampage wont be the same as the ribbon cables and wont be long enough for the wheel to turn freely without it snagging and if its too thin youll need to make the cable longer to have the same ampage as the ribboncable and more length will just be a mess because itll have the same problem as the ribbon wire and get in the way. ACE hardware has a very large variety of soldering items and a good variety of cables get a insulated cable that is as thick as the widest part of the led on a pencil. Or buy three different sized wire and check which length is best that matches the ampage of the ribbon cable from end to end. It clearly wont be as long as the ribbon cable because the ribbon cables copper is thin so the ampage is carried thru the whole wire but try to find the right size that matches the ampage and is solderable to the connector that you cut the ribbon cable from. I did it on my first try but I have been messing with soldering irons for years so that was a big help.
Hey, That sounds great. Glad my video helped you out. When I did this a few years back nobody posted this problem on youtube at all. I like your idea. Would be great to see actually how you did it via pictures, shoot me some if you can to my email at knightrider5000@gmail.com if you get some time.Thanks
Ryan do you have any photos of how the cable should be wound within the clock spring? I can solder it but can’t readily see how the ribbon should be wound.
You should have posted a video, this guy video is amazing!
Happy to find your video! Looks like it’s common problem for F10 . Bought clockspring from eBay . Will try to install new one on Monday. But I’m not sure about part number. BMW dealer won’t tell me the part number for my car. “ a company policy” than you again
Thanks to your vid, I had the guts to attempt this repair on my 535i xdrive Msport. The steering wheel was LCI, so it came off differently, but the soldering works! Thanks for saving me $2k!
Your welcome! Glad it helped you out.
I’m Happy this worked out for u man. I have a 2012 750i I just ran it to this same problem, hopefully I have your luck fingers crossed 🤞
Have Faith it will be fine.
This is a very good tutorial and saved me $$. Thanks
Glad it helped
Thank you for your video. Saved me a lot of money !! Greetings from near Munich.
Glad it helped
Thanks for the Help!! It worked for me.
Hello, I enjoyed the video. My car clockspring is the same, did you fix and install the cutting cable? Or did you buy new parts?
Great video. Having the same exact problem on the same exact car; however, I can't find anywhere online (eBay, etc) that sells just the Clock Spring assembly for a 2011 BMW 535i. Most sell the entire switch cluster steering column. How did you find/order just the Clock Spring Assembly?
Thank you, now i know what's going on with my car and how to fix it. Just what I was looking for 😊 🚗
Welcome!
even the VIN number matches the parts number has to match exactly to work with the vehicle. However, there is a good chance that it wouldn't communicate with gateway module so might need to change or re--program that as well !
congrats !!!! great work !!!
I have the same problem too. Nothing in the steering wheel works. I may try this. Thanks for taking time to record.
It seems to be a big and expensive flaw in these cars as my video is getting alot if views and comments
You Sir, are a legend !
I am Glad this video helped you
Very helpful your video! Mine was really broken in thousands of pieces! Had to replace the entire piece! Thank you!
I dont know how these parts were not Recalled.
They should, but… everyone is trying to save some money
Thank you very much for the Video, very informative. I´ll try to repair mine (broke yesterday)..
Seems these break alot as my video got alot of views and many people tell me there had broke.
I have just managed to remove the assembly and reached the spiral coil cable. Found the broken cable and dispatched them to the 'computer repair shop. I will post a couple of pictures on the cables and possibly how to re-assemble the steering. Crossing my fingers it works like yours did.
This did not go well eventually. I fixed it and everything worked fine. Then the errors showed up SPORT mode deactivated, Cruise control wont work now even indicators don't cancel. Was told I need Angle sensor calibration. Then the coil spring got cut again. I guess I have to visit the dealers...
@@jacobodhiambo1602 Did you find out how to resolve it without having to take it to the dealership?
Not sure how long time quick fix will hold out but it cost me less than $$20. Thanks much bro.
Welcome glad it worked.
Perfect ! Merci Beaucoup ! J'ai passé un dimanche matin à tout démonter (très facile), j'ai ressoudé et tout fonctionne parfaitement ! Merci.
Your welcome.
Great job thank you for the info sir, mine had the same problem.
No problem. Many others have the same issue, this should of been a RECALL by B-M-W
Good video, well done and thanks.
Thanks so much for your video! Really a great help!!!
Glad it helped!
nice video, thanks for explaining it very well
You're welcome!
Hello. I have changed the clock spring myself with new one carries the same part number. But the shift paddle is not working. Do you have any idea what could be the issue. ?? Pls assist Thanks.
Nice dude!!! Ill try to fix mine instead of paying so much money
Let me know how it comes out.
@@JacobKnightRiderShop I will also be trying the same fix tomorrow. Will keep you updated. I also look forward to seeing his result!
Thank you so much for the video! May I please know what temperature you used for soldering it? What material of the welding rod did you use for it? I'm gonna buy a Hakko fx888 and do the same thing. Your video is so helpful!!
Temp depends on the soldier as well. I usually do 450 I think I use a lead soldier 60/40 lead as it works better, just wear a mask.
@@JacobKnightRiderShop thank you. I did solder it and it looked fine. But after I put everything back and restarted the engine, there are a lot of white smoke from the back of the car. Do you know what it could be? When I organize the ribbon cable, there were some grease from the ribbon cable got on the metal plugs...Could it be the grease on the plug caused the smoke...? The smoke was only outside of the car. The inside of the car has no smoke...
Great video, first one I've found covering f10 in detail. Did you end up using a special tool to remove the airbag connector with the yellow wire? I ended up removing the steering wheel with the connector attached, didn't want to break it. I'm curious if you used any special tools for removing the electrical connectors from the turn signal switch assembly as well?
small screw drivers
lol tnx
This is just what I was looking for, haven’t tried it yet but everything in terms of symptoms you mentioned are where I am so I’m pretty sure I’ve the exact same issue. Thank for taking the time to load the video, also the way you’ve set it out will make the job even easier 🫡
You are an angel !!! Thank. I will do it tomorrow !!
Your welcome
Awesome Work!! I Have 11 - 528i Car And Same Issue.. I Got The Clock Spring From Ebay.. If It All Works.. Im Going To HAVE to Find A Way To Pay U For The How To Video!! 😎
Thanks keep me posted if you fixed it.
Good stuff man! Did you happen to see the steering angle sensor in the clockspring while you were messing with it?
Not sure I did
is there a way you can post a video on how you solider the cable back together? I recently just took mines a part and i have no clue on how to solider it
Sorry I didnt film it, just run the wire loom to the soldier points and solider them accordingly. If you can not solder try and hire someone that does, maybe a computer repair shop.
This happend this moring on mine.. thx for the vid.!
Seems like this is a flaw on these cars...your not alone...
@@JacobKnightRiderShop and i just passed the 100.000km mark. So thats 60.000 miles. So i dont know if other people have this same problem arround these miles/km's.. but yeah that's when it happend in my car.
@@dinokadunic5002 My car was at about 60 k miles as well. Programmed flaw? who knows...
@@JacobKnightRiderShop think so, these things happen unfortunately. Hopefully they didn't program too much of these failures :D
What about the tilt Mine stopped working all of a sudden Idk what to do
Dear i have the same problem and solve just because your video , thanks !!
Your Welcome.
nice video , tks for the help
Your welcome
hallo bei mir ist das gleiche passiert woher hast du das Ersatzteil
Excelent video.Why are we all having issues?/Any vids on the soldering???
No sorry I didnt even plan to tinker with it, so I didn't record it. It ended up not lasting very long as it broke again idk 1-2 years later, so I now have a ebay used one in there thats working fine.
F30 is the same?
Great video 👍
Thank you
Thank you for the video. When you soldered the wires did you strip the insulation or just solder through it. They are so thin I am having trouble stripping the insulation off. If you did strip the insulation do you mind sharing how you did it. Thanks.
I think the heat of a good heat gun is enough to get to the wire to solider them together.
Hey bro is there a certain way or a marking to put the clock spring back on ? Or do u just put it back on the same way u took it off?
Yea just put it the way it was the best you can. Make sure you can turn it both ways after.
hello you have to disconnect the battery and wait how long before removing the airbag? thank you
at least 1 hour
I have same exact issues with a 328xi 2007..anyone know if I can follow the same steps
How is that part called if I want to find it on internet?pls
Hello. I've tried to do the welding but unfortunately I didn't do it right also a Failure in DSC steering angle sensor. (Dynamic Stability Control) has happened, please advice me .. thanks,
Maybe buy another unit on eBay if your is beyond repair.
I tried to fix it and I have the same problem (failure in DSC sterling angle sensor )Also my turn signals Don’t work did you fix the problem ?
My steering wheel buttons stopped working. the horn works and the indicators also the only thing that does not work they are the buttons on the steering wheel and therefore the error that the control unit gives me is that the cruise control does not work, I would appreciate it if you could write me the answer and thus be able to translate it since I do not speak English well and I do not know what you are doing in the video to fix it and solve it since I think it may be the same problem as mine. Thank!
Thanks
my f20 has the horn that sometimes is faulty (it has the same steering wheel of this video). Could be this ribbon cable the cause? Thanks ad Regards
Hmm not sure, I do think it is part of the ribbon tho?
I have heard that you have to re-code the car if you are replacing this part, was it necessary? Yesterday it cracked in my steering wheel when I turned left and the same error message came up. Best regards from SWEDEN.
I didnt do it. Did you?
@@JacobKnightRiderShop It was made by bmw when they switched the unit.
I just did buy one from ebay also, can I just replace it and just delete the fault messages, or must I re-code something?
Yes replace then have the airbag code reset.
Trying to strip my ribbon to expose the copper wires so I can solder it, did you happen to do the same or did you solder it through the plastic ribbon cover?
The hot iron will melt that plastic very easily when your soldering.
i am sorry the ribon in the slip ring is alway rotating so that is caused ribon damaged ? thank you very much
Yes. It can break off when turning if it gets stuck.
how can i identify if another clock spring from ebay would work? only wondering because i have the heated steering wheel and i don’t know if i have to get a specific one. really need help please and thank you
You can try asking a BMW dealer on this. They told me on the phone if mine would work with another, you may need the numbers on the replacement part as well.
i really appreciated the video, I was wondering if you can share any URL of the part with us. I have the same problem for my 2011 528i . Thank you very much
Go to ebay Type in : BMW 09-16 F10 F01 STEERING COLUMN CLOCK SPRING
KnightRiderShop thank you very much, have you put the one that you bought used for it yet?
@@montanatatvan13 I didnt need it, as I fixed mine. Ended up returning it.
KnightRiderShop so it still works well? I am glad to hear, i have 2 mechanics in Orange County , CA they both do not know how to fix the cable as you did with soldering iron. Do u think what should I do?
@@montanatatvan13 you can try soldering it or having someone with soldering skills to do it. It's not that hard some people are afraid to try I guess. Mines fine still.
My 2009 X3 is having the same issues , all of the steering wheel buttons and horn don’t work. I also have the airbag light on and it turns Out I have a recall on the airbag, would this be associated with it?
No sure but could be. Cause id assume the air bag may be connected in some way but not 100 percent sure. I got the same airbag recall but never took the car in.
Me ajudou muito! consegui consertar o problema igual na minha 535i GT 2011, enviei minha contribuição $ obrigado!
Hi do you need to reprogram after plug off the battery?
I didn't.
that's because all you did was fix the orginal, when replacing with new oem part, needs to be coded
Hello. I have changed the clock spring in my bmw f10 with new one When fixed still I have system restraint fault and paddle shifters behind steering not working. Help pls
recheck the wire lug ins, might have missed one. fault code needs to be reset electronically.
Thanks for reply. I have checked again the connection nothing wrong. Is it possible that a fuse is burned ?? The old part number is : 61319245622 The new part number is : 61319354047 Are they same ??
@@al-tawazuntransports1764 that you have to call BMW to find out. Any dealer can tell you. With a repair service center.
What is called this white cable? Where i can buy this? Thank you
Not sure. According to the dealer they dnt sell the cable. It has to be bought with the whole assembly. Try ebay for the unit.
Hi mate I got some issues I am in uk but Bmw charge me only part about £500 + labour . I found a reconditioned one the’re saying it needs to programmed.. can u advice me please .. which one shall I buy brand new or reconditioned..?
It's up to you. How much for the recon one?
KnightRiderShop £150
@@muj2012 I guess it would be worth a try, not sure why they said it would need to be programmed tho. Not sure if thats correct. Its just a ribbon inside with wiring no chips that I could see that would tell me you need to reprogram. keep me updated tho.
KnightRiderShop I’ll try ur way first and try my luck as I’m quite handy like that..and how would I remove the airbag sign after it’s all fixed, any ideas..thank u so much for ur help I’ll defo let u know how I got on
@@muj2012 I think you can reset the airbag at the dealer for not too much.
Just fixed mine but needed to find another video on how to wind the clock spring back properly.
Did you find one? I didnt film it.
@@JacobKnightRiderShop Link to video on the correct way to wind the clock spring. kzhead.info/sun/Zrp9id6vmIShnK8/bejne.html
Do you have to have the car reprogrammed after reinstalling?
No
Got it soldered and everything works fine. The only thing is that I cant reset the driving restrain system light and it reads an airbag fault but i cant reset. Did you get yours done?
You have to reset it with a dynostic tool. You can buy them online for about 100 bucks. Or if you know any mechanic friends that can do it for free for you.
@@JacobKnightRiderShop thanks for the reply! Il give it a try. Just hope it works, because i was thinking maybe something else isnt connecting up. Ive tried deleting with carista obd but wouldnt work. So i thought maybe need a special diagnoatic tool. Ive no clue on them things. Thanks again bro.
@@davaesthetics2891 ya it should be able to be reset. Mines on too so I know its nothing you did wrong. I have not tried to reset mine as of yet.
Tried to reset it at a local garage, couldnt reset it with their diagnostic tool. I havent tried reseting yours yet?
@@davaesthetics2891 not yet
Can someone tell me where I can find either the ribbon with the attachment at each end .. or if I need to solder the old attachments to a new ribbon? Does anyone have the measurements of the ribbon ?
I used the same ribbon and resoldered it where it came off. Not sure if you can buy those ribbons.
I don’t know if you see this but I have exactly same problem, I took everything apart and mine is completely fine inside. Any idea where else could be the problem ?
Maybe a loose wire or broken wire on the ends of the ribbons.
What would you charge to solder the ribbon cable?
I probably wouldnt tackle this for someone as i wouldnt be able to warranty it.
KnightRiderShop just want to thank you for this in-depth video.I fixed it today. I had to order the unit off eBay opened it up to make sure the ribbon was intact. Switched it out all is well besides the airbag warning! Thanks again!!!
@@dnice2092 awesome. This must be a common problem as many had this issue.
Can you share link to find used part?
try www.ebay.com
where can i purchase the unit to repalce it?
Look at ebay or junk yards
What was the rattling in the airbag?
Not sure, I didnt open the airbag unit up.
Surely this should be a recall, its dangerous. I'm going to speak with my dealer, it happened to me today while driving. Mines under warranty but this looks like a common problem.
Yes it can be. Should be recalled.
Will this be my problem after car accident hard steering
Shouldnt make it hard to steer as the ribbons are inside the compartment, separate from the yoke of the wheel. Does cause alot of noise tho when turning the wheel. Your hard steering probably from the accident.
KnightRiderShop What state do u live in I’ll pay you to fix mine
Me too !!!
What is the piece behind a steering wheel called?
bmw clock spring?
Valeu!
It should save you $2,000 to $3,000 if you can fix it.
Bout to do this for my car wish me luck
good luck
What is the trick to release the lever to remove airbag?
Watch 3:30 seconds in, you use a screwdriver to push up the lever that removes the whole airbag assembly.
@@JacobKnightRiderShop Thank you! Finally, got it after an hour later.🤪 i had to push in the airbag to align the spring then push it up to release. Thanks for the video.
Also, do you need to reset the system with the dealer? My warning ⚠️ lights still ON. Another light came something with a steering chassis?!?!?
@@TechTimeWithT I bought a multi scan tool to reset mine here is the link for the one for BMWs amzn.to/3ICwc6C It paid for itself after the first use so its worth it.
Same thing happened here,bought brand new one from bmw for 700
Pricey parts. Mine just broke again, the repair one so I going try and fix it again.
Has anyone here replaced the part yet? If so, was any reprogramming required following the replacement?
Programming is definitely required for F-chassis cars. Conventional programming with E-sys might be enough, but changing the VIN in certain modules is very difficult. I'm noticing that some chip programmers like hextag and CG 9S12 allow for cloning of the SZL module, so perhaps that is the best option.
Squib ring is easy repair I done mine in 15 mins .
yea but where would you find the slip ring, they dont sell them new that I know of?
@@JacobKnightRiderShop and if you don’t get the correct one for your model some functions may not work so go to bmw pay that little extra and save all the hassle .
@@Alfiepops little extra, they wanted like Over 3 grand, I got a used one on ebay, the hand speed flaps dnt work only but I never used them anyway.
My horn not working can t you hell me?? 535i f10 2014
Check the wiring to see if everything is connected.
Correction at 6:15, it’s connected with 2 not 3 wires !
3 wire looms is what I meant, dnt recall if it had a separate plug for the 2 wire looms I was reffing tho.
This just happen excattlly wat it is
Just happened to me today and I finded this film.😭f..k
Link to video on the correct way to wind the clock spring. kzhead.info/sun/Zrp9id6vmIShnK8/bejne.html
Any one from UK has tried this ?
Fixed this issue for £15 using this video as a guide. Top work KnightRiderShop. Nafiz Haq email me if you want any info
@@benroberts8788 legend mate. Please email me on nafiz333@gmail.com. I believe you do fix them ?
@@benroberts8788 let us know what your did, mine just broke today, 84avtar@gmail.com
@@nafizhaq4554 you get yours fixed in the end
sim rai yes I did it myself
You know, if you can afford a BMW and expensive vehicles like that, then should you also be able to afford expensive parts for that vehicle? Just saying. Plus if they went back to old school and stop putting the entire function of the car on the wheel then we won’t have issues like this. Just keep the horn
I got the BMW at Carmax so I didnt pay BMW price. But True on the wheel having too many functions. But it was nice to have. They just need to fix the ribbon issue inside.
Many of us are buying these things used, for not that much money. No excuse for the stealerships to set pornographic prices on stuff. And now even many budget priced cars have these multifunction gizmo fests on the wheel. Look at Jeep SUV wannabes. They have a ridiculous number of buttons on the wheel, to the point that it's silly. They even have more buttons on the back side of the wheel, as if the front wasn't already overloaded with buttons. My VW had a nice setup on the wheel and I don't think VWs have all the failures that we are seeing on the BMWs. It really should be a recall item if it can also affect reliability of the horn and probably the airbags too. Typical of BMW wiring is to use conductors that are just too darn light for the task though. FOr example the pathetic ground wires in the rear end of the car that fail and cause the headlights to flicker or prevent the remote/key from working.
I got mine from ecstuning.com brand new for less than $200 and it’s genuine BMW check that site out if you hadn’t already.
Did it have to be coded after the part was replaced?