From Taiwan to TikTok: Who blinks first in US-China showdown? • FRANCE 24 English
Is it a spiraling superpower showdown or a glorified trade negotiation? The US Secretary of State Antony Blinken is kicking off a three-day visit in China’s economic capital, Shanghai. Unlike during the Cold War, when exchanges between the blocs were anecdotal, today it's the world's two biggest powers at the table - powers whose biggest trading partners happen to be each other.
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China is not Japan or the West. China is not stupid.
Empty assertion.
China is not stupid but China is Xi Jing Pin. And he is. Mismanaged Covid, disrupted the world, destroyed his economy and it’s minutes away from demolishing everything they worked on just to stay in power
No Plaza accord for China. Look how they handled the MI-6, CIA backed Hong Kong protests...they the Chinese were so so clever.
Are you sure? They are literally cause of all of there neighboring nations seeking protection from the us and her allies lol cooperating more militarily and allowing us military personnel to see up bases to protect them from a hostile China the scourge on this planet a Vietnam that is now literally one of our greatest allies against a China is increasingly failing to improve ties no nation wants to deal with a bully nations around the globe except dictators see the CCP as a threat or a pacing threat they are definitely a debt creator strategically and debting nations that they know full well can’t pay back there loans only to acquire there ports or resources
China exhibits not only intelligence but also resilience, refusing to bow to US hegemony. For the first time since World War II, we witness a nation standing firm against US aggression on such a significant scale and winning.
Why is us support Ukraine is ok but China support Russia is no no
Game over.
Because their are domestic enemies interwoven into the politics within the United States Government.
Well, if you can't figure that out, you really should be watching Sponge Bob.
@@tayler2396you like those Ukrainian groups that use Hindu/ Viking symbols?
@@Shimra8888 If they are fighting Russia, then yes, I like them.
US is expecting China not to react when US arms Taiwan, banned Huawei, Tik Tok etc., impose tariffs on EVs and so on. What are they thinking?
They did it for centuries.. can't deal otherwise .
The rule of law is the fittest survives.
Yes and Chinese civilization has survived for 5000 years, where as all the ancient Western civilizations have collapsed.. So the West should understand well, who they are competing with. The US is 250 years old, just a baby compared to China. China has dealt with much bigger problems in their history, the US has never faced a competitor like China..
they don't think, because they are Americans and have no brain to think.
lol what can they do lol there economy is suffering they are losing relationships (non dictatorships) lol Argentina just canceled all of there deals under there past semi dictator leader lol China is a global threat
Xinjiang genocide? ???, maybe you guys should have a separate talk about it, show the evidence, not just some rumors, lot of people like to know more details about this
xinjiang now the hottest tourist location in china.... thanks to biden...
With over 34,000 civilian deaths, the west saw no genocide. With zero body produced, the west saw genocide in Xinjiang. The west is seriously delusional.
My post with proof that there's no genocide in Xinjiang was swiftly censored by UT. I wonder why people shouldn't see the proof.
maybe china should also bring up the now popular college campuses police brutality and speech suppression ! in a free world leader ??
Xinjiang received up to 13 million tourists a year, and Uygher (tribe) people were very much loved by Majority Chinese. I guess western journists probably didn’t even know where Xinjiang is.😆
The US is looking more desperate than ever.
A sore loser is always desperate
Seems like you don't understand just how strong the US is and will remain. Geography is destiny. The US is the greatest land AND sea power the world will ever form. Now add in our allies, which are also ALL sea powers. China has prospered from its engagement with global maritime commerce in recent decades, and will suffer from whatever disturbances to that order it creates.
@@reallyhappenings5597 Actually, not allies, but American stooges under the control and military occupations, without any saying to decide their destiny by themselves.
lol you must be a bot
@@catinbootsnow4267lol shush CCP bot if that was the case we wouldn’t allow their leaders or citizens to criticize us lol we are aren’t the CCP trash heaps
so sad to see the U S goes from a Super Power into a Super Bow-er in such instant... 2 U S officials visited China within a month, uninvited, unwanted by the host...
America can’t accept not being inside a social media platform spying everybody! So they’ve to steal TikTok and deliver it to NSA/CIA conglomerate… 😂😂😂
@@anypercentdeathless a 9yrs old is smarter than you.
@@anypercentdeathless ”are you Chinese？“ “No, I’m Singaporean ” “so，are you Chinese citizen？” ----------------- the way how US senator argument （worse than my 9 year old daughter）
@@anypercentdeathless facts don't need arguments... 🤣
The u.s. governor was even better, she claimed the CCP had been subverting u.s. for THOUSANDS of years, she's light years beyond everybody. 😂😂
Why Chinese people learn English language instead of French?
since when france is such lap dog of the us.
Always been but quite good at hiding itself.
AIPAC is everywhere 😂😂😂
since the end of WW2 I guess
As always
@@Wilson24678 under Charles de Gaulle and Jacques Chirac , France had leaders that put the interests of France and Europe ahead of the US. These days France has sold itself out to appease the neocon/neolib clique/gang in Washington DC (and elsewhere). European sovereignty has been set back significantly by their subservient behavior. Currently Europe has been turned into a collection of US vassal states with very very few exceptions.
Nonsense 😂😂😂😂😂 The USA should realize that China can never be bullied 😂😂😂😂😂
China never be bullied?Do you still remember how vietnam f***k you over in 1979? Actually chinese army is garbage , only works for unarmed ppl in Concentration Camps
if France needs to ask such a dumb question. China rests our case.
Why Chinese people learn English language instead of French?
@@onlineempire4204 lol
@@onlineempire4204More data
Seems a lot of people travelling to see Xi
毕竟 习近平 是它们这些畜生的主人 ❤
Seems Xi is visiting France... why? Nobody wants him there. Such a loser...
China has produced a EV look a like Porcha. Same performance. The German car $120.000, the Chinese car $30.000
And both should survive. People buying a Porsche is not in the market for a low / mid end Chinese EV. China brands has a long way to go to build that following. Germans shouldn’t be worried. The US should and is, cuz their brands are usually on the low / mid end. You would buy a Porsche for 120000+, would you buy a Ford for that price?
@@K1pp3rsnot when it's performance and reliability is better then a Porsche. At the end of the day price and reliability is still king. And German cars are neither reliable or cheap.
@@K1pp3rswatch the review comparing the two. The Xiaomi EV is faster than the Porsche. It also has a HUD navigation system that is simply amazing.
The Chinese one often go kabooms so that's why it's cheap.
Porsche = Cost of Petrol + CO2 emission + Sound pollution. BYD = Electricity + Sweet Clean Air + No sound pollution.
This is one-sided discussion within your circle of comfort. You should include opinions from Middle East, Africa and Asia (ex-Japan), if you truly want to get a fair view.
Sadly the voice of the global south is missing in the Western media
This is not a democratic discussion where every representative can voice out their respective opinion, this is a talkshow to project a certain narrative. 😂
the US has supported Ukraine but also Israel, why cant China do the same and support Russia? if your thinking Russia was wrong then whats happening in gaza is more horrendous.
An echo chamber of liars!!
but u love the same echo chamber when it comes to india bashing 😂
Empty assertion-no argument.
No, it's actually Indians love this echo chambers when they are bashing China, copying all this Western nonsense about China in their own media.. Indian media is exactly like this channel. But Indians crying when these same people bash india.. Whole nation crying about how bad Western media is.. 😂😂
I was going to say the same. Very useless echo chamber.
as expected. Did you expect something different ?
China has been stock piling, bought up most of the available gold
The gold stock is far behind France if you care to check the statistic. With the dedolaralization going on in the world, the buying in of gold by China is expected.
They shipped out thousands of tonnes of medical equipment the months before the pandemic too. China is always preparing for some crap they are about to start.
@@gkmail8718not it's not. China doesn't disclose how much gold it has. China has the largest gold accumulation in the world.
China have been the world no. 1 gold producer for years, and exported zero. 😂😂
@@andrewlim7751 still been stocking up more, they have anticipated US sanctions
French Alstom, no, now it is American Alstom. Semi-colonial France, pet dogs raised in the United States! Bare your teeth at the guests!
Blink, Blinked, Blinken - past participle 😅
Blink ken, blink blink, ding ding A Dead person doesn't blink
😂😂😂😂
Why Chinese people learn English language instead of French?
@@onlineempire4204 if you look outside the French occupied countries and how many, what is the next language more popular than French language? And of course both English and American influence in the 18th century.
Etymology of his last name has more to do with small pancakes rather than eye closing. His family is admittedly from Kiev.
Sounds like the propaganda machine is full speed ahead
Chinese don’t bow to pressure, order, dishonor.
If the US and EU love Taiwan so much, why not establish the formal diplomatic relationship with Taiwan and get it into UN?
Because the world is not US and EU.
Because money
Because the official name of Taiwan is Republic of China
Because China would overreact just like you did
United States policy. The United States' One-China policy was first stated in the Shanghai Communiqué of 1972: "the United States acknowledges that Chinese on either side of the Taiwan Strait maintain there is but one China and that Taiwan is a part of China. The United States does not challenge that position."
After the US brought up "overcapacity" as the new mantra, Europe falls in line regurgitating this ad nauseum... lol Grow a backbone Europe !
Lost it when they handed over colonization to small 🧢 😂😂😂
Your obviously a bot how much is the CCP paying you or Russia for that matter lol
@@stephendmccormickjr8200…..so now FACTS are seen as Russia bots? Amerikkka is beyond stupid! I am here in Texas and I am watching the collapse of Amerikkka right before my eyes!!
@@stephendmccormickjr8200how much is the CIA paying you?
@@stephendmccormickjr8200 truth hurts ain't it?
No red carpet,, walking 😢
Unworthy of red carpet
No red carpet, only red lines.
Not been invited.
why waste time or money for those beggars 🤣
China getting tired of these Yankees officials stop by every months
Don't blink. Blinken is blinking now.
😂🤣😂🤣
after China he is visiting Russia😂
Just look closely at Blinken and you can see, the emporer has no clothes.
Yes, it turns out the emperor is only wearing underwear.... Very embarrassing..
Why Chinese people learn English language instead of French?
There is a Chinese joke in that title😂 very funny
China is the world's biggest manufacturing and infrastructure superpower, meanwhile the US is the world's biggest military and talk show superpower. One example, China's ship building capacity is 400 times bigger than the US, and 140 countries have joined the BRI of China, and the global south, with 88% of the world's population, supports China's trade, cooperative and infrastructure for interconnectivity.
At the same time , China is the biggest prostitutes to the world, so everybody can understand why Chinese women prefer none chinese man, and feel annoying with “ tooth picks” from yellow river.
The mere fact that China still hosting Blinken right after the arms sales to Taiwan and Tiktok ban shows who is the adult and also confident in this bilateral relationship
Correlation vs. causation; look it up.
But China also immediately announced yesterday that China will ban the trade of US chips.China has started phasing out US chips and from 2027, 0 US chips will be allowed in China. Nvidia, Intel, Qualcomm, AMD all crying in the corner now... Because, not only will Chinese companies replace them in China, but China will eventually produce better and cheaper chips for the whole world... Bye bye US chip companies...
@@anypercentdeathless in comparison, Blinken canceled visit to China over weather balloons. So his/her comment is appropriate, China behaves like an adult. At least in comparison to US
Taiwan spend around 10~15 billion USD on American weapons every year, for the last 30 years. 8 billion aide from US to Taiwan is peanuts in comparison, as if Taiwanese cares? Taiwan holds up to 450 billion in US treasury. Taiwan is not short of money, but want these lazy Americans finished up the military order they placed few years back. Just give the weapons (been full paid for) to Taiwan, or let Taiwanese develop their own weapons with no American restrictions. Americans are greedy and lazy.
In fact, China has not supported Russia so far. It has only maintained normal trade and replaced the original Western trade position in Russia. If China had armed Russia the way NATO supports Ukraine, all of Ukraine might have been integrated into the Russian Federation a year ago.
我们不能接受俄罗斯失败，就像法国不能接受俄罗斯出现在西欧。在美国失败之后，我们会支持法国和德国离开美国，让欧洲与俄罗斯变得平衡，很多欧洲人不明白，中国与欧洲的利益是相同的
Since USA has been supporting Taiwan for years, USA must be facing the consequences.
The person begging to meet is the person to blink first. US is accumulating 1Trillion USD more debt every 100 days, and they need China's permission to issue more debt, before China stopped recognizing the US dollar because of America's fiscal crisis.
Look at the “unexpected” impact of our Huawei & chip sanctions on our US chip makers vs China’s chip industry China are on track to self sufficiency and the stock prices of Intel, AMD, etc are tanking as US analysts realize China is the future for mature chips …. I.e. the majority of the chip market
China just announced that they will start phasing out US chips and by 2027 they will be completely banned in China... China is so nice, they even help the West with their sanctions on China.. West bans high end chips to China, China bans all chips from the West. So it's win win, I'm sure the West is very pleased with China's help..
🇺🇸 America is losing because America ruler is aragon only for money 😅
Interesting assertion-with no argument. (Like my nine-year-old.)
1000 % agree.
Blinking already.
Trade is king the country who exports more than he imports will always win.
Subsidized? So it has nothing to do with Uyghur forced labor camps anymore ????
that is why it is called manufactured lies , one lie after another
The American beard guy talk without any evidence.
What's new?
He is retar😂
he is CIA
At worse, he is a Jhews.
What a funny question? His name is Blink en.
What a great anti-China discussion 😂😅
Its BLINKEN , of course .
that guy said EU enemy#1 is "Russia and then what about china?. "now we all can understand what is going on geopolitically😅
China becomes the no A1 enemy 😅 EU never get wiser despite being led and screwed by their DICKtator.😂
All these “people” have forked tongues.
China is just being diplomatic! A mayor recieved him and no red carpet! Shows you what they think of the US representative.
Everything the Chinese does is aggressive while everything the US does is defensive. Only issue is the US is 8000km from home.
Dialogue with the U.S. is a waste of time. The U.S. always say one thing but does another.
China is not France, kneeling down and hand Alstone over to US😅
I like the host of this session very much. a kind of neutrality u cannot see in CNN, etc.
Addictive is depend on individual, discipline and character. Security is subjective. Can you safely say Google, Facebook, Instagram, SnapChat, etc is not a threat to individual and national security? What US is afraid of is competition, desperate and lack of technological confident and direction.
all of these presenters know nothing about tiktok or chinese, to be honest
If it helps, India banned Tik Tok 2 years ago and it is working fine
How many US official went to visited China and How many Chinese officials visited US? You could tell which one is disparate and still acting all tough.
This is very right
so why not blame SF's homeless to China....
It's not very obvious but America has won this time but will it stay that way for long?
I really like the anchor, he always try to be neutral and keep his composure
What I am listening is one sided views. Just see for yourself what is happening around the globe.
West have shown weakness.
Very educational discussion. Thank you!
TikTok ban would be dumb and upset a pretty large number of people in the U.S. If the U.S. is using it as a political bargaining chip with the threat of a ban , well that makes sense.
In China: A win/win situation means that China wins twice smh
Thanks for this debate
Some people think and say China GDP will go up after the 3 years Covid interruptions is ridiculous. For China to still able to grow in economy during this time is positive. The US and the world economy suffers too during this time and so previous predictions for China and them are affected for sure.
As if the US govt is not funding or bailing out its own banks, Boeing, Intel, EV and the list goes on. The world seems to be ignoring that inflation has not sky rocketed in the past decades because of cheap Chinese imports.
Fanny, when EU ask rest of the world do not buy oil from Russian, EU buy oil from Russian. Why?????
United States policy. The United States' One-China policy was first stated in the Shanghai Communiqué of 1972: "the United States acknowledges that Chinese on either side of the Taiwan Strait maintain there is but one China and that Taiwan is a part of China. The United States does not challenge that position."
Its not a show down, he is there to beg and should act like one if he wants any results.
The single most important thing to know is that China will not give up its global ambitions no matter what kind of deals are struck with them. Complacency is one our favorite, perennial, weaknesses to them.
中国可不是美国😂。我们从来没有统治全球的野心。我们不会入侵或殖民其它国家，也不会在其它国家建设军事基地，因为我们的政府将钱画在了国家建设上，而不是发动战争。但是美国却将钱花在其它国家上，美国的少部分富豪掌握着大部分财富，你们的政府从来不关心那些无家可归者。可笑的是，美国政府却愿意花大量的钱抹黑中国😅
Back in March 2021 , Blinken told Chinese diplomats that he was talking to China "from a position of strength" and asked China to obey the US International Rules Based Order . He was rebutted by the Chinese diplomat - Yang Jiechi immediately . Will Bliinken ask China to choose between "At the Table or On the Menu " as well ? Will Bliinken meet w/ Yang Jiechi ( retired ) and quarrel again this time ?
美国的盟友，他们都在菜单上，乌克兰，以色列，日本。，美国人拒绝公平的竞争，这意味着他们选择战争，但金融业，服务业是虚假的，资源与制造业决定了胜负，不管是经济还是战争，无论美国人想如何战斗，他们都无法获胜
How is this a Debate? is this what west call a Debate???
So yellen come and shout...blinken come and yell..Chinese President keep sold the tresury bond. Not even care of tiktok ban. The american politican need to bow if need help. If keep barking..too noisy. No one care. Just came and left empty handed. Bye bye
Lol, learn better english first, and then try again ;)
Why France 24 English channel sounds so much like an American media?
Why does China need tactical & strategic information to be secretly collected, by these devices, and install operatives in countries for information and supervise expats? What is this modus operando, and why is it required?
Because that's what a country whose men have tiny penises does 😂
你想多了 你把这里面的中国🇨🇳换成 西方世界就正确了
@@pengzhang5081Sir, regardless of Governments, we are Human and need common understanding. We grow closer each day, and challenges evolve as well. We all need peace and prosperity, we all must keep watch for the day, is enough for now.
@@idensunrise442你只要相信，如果美国尊重中国，中国肯定会尊重美国，因为尊重是互相的。也许中美有很多分歧，但是我相信两个国家的人民都是友善的，我们都不希望发生战争，如果发生了战争，中国和美国都会回到原始时期，但是这并不是我们两个国家想要的结果。我们应该想办法解决分歧促进合作发展，但前提是我们要互相尊重
@@2211-wu2ni Thank for your reply, respect has many levels, it is inevitable in our growing closer, we must rely on reason & re-evaluation, to bring our best to compare, and compete and trade for mutual benefit of everyone buyers, sellers, workers, economy, planet etc. I hope we can get the newest electric vehicles, they are too expensive here, double the price for the same or less quality.
your headline "Who blinks first" is funny... I think it may be Blinken who blinks first!
Who blinks first ? Blinken by definition.
China start blinking once they see the Bilinkin
For sure they haven't use Tiktok lol
Will wait, until prerequisites are met.
This conversation explored the shifting economic landscapes of Europe, the United States, and China, focusing on GDP growth, industrial capacity, and political changes up to 2023. Key points include: 1. **Economic Shifts**: In 2012, Europe and the United States were roughly equivalent in terms of GDP in nominal terms. By 2023, this balance had shifted dramatically with the U.S. GDP growing to about $27.36 trillion, outpacing Europe's GDP of approximately $17.1 trillion. China's GDP also rose significantly during this period, reaching about $17.52 trillion, thereby surpassing Europe. 2. **Industrial Capacity**: There has been a notable migration of industrial capacity out of Europe to both the United States and China. This shift is attributed to various factors, including energy costs, labor market dynamics, and regulatory environments, which have made the U.S. and China more attractive for industrial investments. 3. **Political and Social Changes**: Europe's political landscape has been marked by challenges to its unity, demonstrated by Brexit and rising populism in countries like France, Germany, and Italy. These factors contribute to a potential risk of further fragmentation within the EU. Additionally, the imposition of strict climate change regulations has sparked significant opposition from sectors like agriculture, potentially pushing these groups towards more extreme political stances. 4. **Demographic Challenges**: Europe faces demographic dilemmas, particularly in Eastern European countries, which could exacerbate political and economic stresses within the region. Overall, while Europe remains a significant global player, these challenges and shifts suggest a relative decline in its economic stature and political cohesion, making its future position in the global order uncertain.
It is not de-couple. It is not de-risk. It is managed drift-away from each other.
The whole set of these quests should go to Xinjiang and open their eyes for reality for good!
Uyghurs matters, people in Gaza not
Mr. Burmaumer sounds reasonable in his assessment. Better than the American Micheal who tries at every turn to sell his book. Every time he tries to pack out his strategy to undermine china as the US did to the Soviet union, the moderator interrupted him 😂. Just stop inviting this warmonger!
We all know who is blinking first 😂😂😂, how many trips have the US delegates made so far? US billionaires went to China, Yellen has been to China almost 3 times this year, Blinken has been there many times too 😂. It shows desperation, we know who's blinking
Chinese just do the “ doggy style “ once door ‘s closed, thats what everybody knows,
China/Tik Tok suing bc freedom of speech? How do you say hypocrite in Chinese?
Oh, I get it. Who blinks first and his surname is Blinken.
The irony the negotiator name is blinken 😂😂😂
Elon Musk talk about freedom of expression and does not want tik toc to be banned but him Elon Musk does not criticise China because he wants to sell his Tesla in China.
Why should he criticize China? He is a business man, not freakin Ghandi
I don't understand. What does Elon criticizing anything do for you? Do you think for yourself at all?
Don't be surprised if Blinken disappears for 6 months or so lol
US is not just blinking multiple time but also getting very desperate & helpless
If that’s what you think then you must be foolish bot lol do you not know it is called de-escalation that’s what it means when you’re a responsible global power and leader
That's very right!!!!!
These countries are doing quietly silently with their own business in their own homes ..
No red carpet. He's not welcomed.
No Asians to discuss only some European and us sweet for propaganda not at all a balanced debate
All the dudes are, shamefully, non objective than one lady
Average manufacturing wages have increased 20x in China in 20 years which is good for the workers. It’s not a low cost producer anymore. Other developing countries want their chance to modernize by low cost manufacturing now.
Moderator, looking surprised at an expert: These Yellen and Blinken's Visits are US 🥕 to China? (Are they Taylor Swift?)
Burbaumer is the only person who thinks normally...
Per Palki: what about India? Now what about USA?
Palki is busy fire fighting at New Dehli landfill.
What about India? What about the USA? Do you have any facts or just mindless disconnected statements?
India is a failed country, useless people
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