How Two Sisters Pulled Off a Daring Escape From Saudi Arabia
2020 ж. 6 Мау.
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Over a period of two months in 2019, VICE News followed two Saudi sisters who escaped from their family and are struggling to break free from their old lives, once dictated by Saudi Arabia's oppressive guardianship laws.
This VICE News Special Report, "Escaping The Kingdom" originally aired in August 2019.
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You are full of bias Go look at Saudi women in Saudi they have their full freedom nobody needs a guardian to go out that’s bullshit !! In a country of 30 million you will find all sorts of psycho Obviously she had a bad home a bad family support but this has nothing to do with the poeople or the state This is an isolated family issue How many teenage girls want to leave there homes all over the world it doesnt mean it’s right
ABN and why should any of that diminish their cry for help? They obviously come from the extremist side of life there. Let them live and be free from what they saw as a massive injustice
@@ABN_KZhead true now girls in Saudi have boyfriends going out without hijab they can travel without father or husband permission they are just unlucky
What’s their status now?
rachrex It’s not her cry for help that disturbes me What disturbs me is the people helping her are doing it for political reasons only . you must understand the relationship between Saudi and Turkey and you would know what’s going on . Istanbul is a hub for human trafficking And there are suddenly concerned for an Arab women life !!!!
Abusive people will always use this statement"it is a family matter"
Annie Nel I know right they seem self entitled 😒
well it’s surely not the saudi law. and i’m a saudi girl, it’s their family
@Herbie Shevers She wasn't kidnapped. That blonde woman sold her out once they were close to coast of India. Could be the man involved, too. But, she was sold out. Why would she taunt her family when so close to freedom? Nah....She was sold out. I believe now she's dead. Her and her other sister who ran away.
@Herbie Shevers
@Herbie Shevers Well, i find it awfully strange and just pure stupid for the Princess to antagonize her family like that. If really true? Then, its unfortunate.
it's sad when a stranger is more of a father than your biological one.
It's called Maslaha
No sad is that your father is a monster who thinks is a good father for being monsterous....
Yh because hes jobs on the line otherwise
@@erencetinkaya8881 well shame a person has to restort to payed people for protection from those who should have...prtoection is not inprosoning but protecting the right for all to be left be!
@@duniabhy3199 مصلحه 😬
i live in saudi and im gonna say one thing " every single thing the father said is a lie "
Hi are you that rahaf mohmd ?
@@nic2495bro there are thousands with the same name in there lol
We believe you anyway , we know already saudi is infamous country run by pervert psychopathic sistem and we will help women who try to flee that prison country anytime …
How you know? Really???
She Say se gets beating 😢😢
That "I look so good" (10:30) made me so happy. She's happy with her haircut, happy with showing herself to the world, and proud of who she is and where she's at in life. She's so strong
😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
that's the dumbest thing
The fact that a "friend" snitched on them, are you serious what an awful human being.
In a country that is driven by fear, people do these kind of things. That's normal, it always happens in these kind of dictatorial systems.The individual is not to blame, the system is to blame.
I agree
because of their culture their friend might believe it's for their own good
If you plan such a thing don't tell people who are not participating , periodt
That girl Dua! She just looks like my elder sister God save them please 😖😖😖🙏🏻🙏🏻
That lawyer is such a good human. The tears in his eyes when he realises they are safe broke me. I wish there were more people like him.
It's a show, they have to act in front of the camera
@@m.p.r.6999 just because you're alone and no one loves YOU doesn't mean other people are faking it.
As he is a human rights lawyer, that face he made tells me he's had other people he's tried to help that have just disappeared or been kidnapped by their families. That was real fear that he "lost another one" on his face. Breaks my heart. He's doing good work.
but he didn't help alot, did he?
@@kaylynn7245 100%
The fear they felt while they were on the run disturbed me to the core. I was in their situation with my husband here in Ireland. He abused me emotionally and cheated repeatedly and was addicted to weed. When I called the guards on him during one of his psychotic episodes they advised me to go to women refuge. He went nuts and called all my family members back home and trashed my reputation. He said stuff that could get me killed if I go home. He also didn't stop sending threats to me and I felt very shaken and petrified. I can't be thankful enough for the support I had in Ireland. The refuge, the therapist and psychiatrist all rushed to help me without any payments. I finally made peace with my family after a while when they realized how of a lier my husband is. But the fear I felt and the emotional damage is unforgivable.
hope your doing ok after all you've been through, here's my pint of beer to you🍺
You can't get addicted to weed...😭
@@ismailchoudhary7441 you can, it's just pretty rare. between 10% to 30% of weed users form an addiction. This becomes more likely for a person if they were using it during youth.
@@ismailchoudhary7441 not addicted in a traditional sense but there is ppl who literally can't eat sleep or relax without smoking and I'd argue that is addiction
@@ismailchoudhary7441 Seriously? That's what you took from that? Fucking hell
Props to the Turkish police for telling the girls to change locations and to be cautious because the Saudis are bribing officials.
I work here in Saudi Arabia as a housemaid. I can say that my Employer's daughters are very lucky to have an open minded parents. My male boss even sent his daughter to Ireland to study English language.
Im from ireland
@@izzythebrawl5415 I'm from the Philippines.
Yes you right and thank you for this
Nice
From U.S ❤️ I’m so glad that there is some people out there like that. There needs to be way more. Close-minded people are the worse in my honest opinion.
For those wondering about their safety, Toby their lawyer has put out an twitter statement that they are both currently still safe on the 8th of June
thank you!
tks you man
What’s his Twitter handle?
❤️
thank goodness
I have suffered my entire life, have always been poor and still am. Grew up on a council estate and my dad was a coal miner but compared to these brave girls and others like them I am blessed. Blessed with freedom. To any Saudi girls going through this right now - A Yorkshireman sends you all his luck.
Your freedom is an illusion. What does freedom mean to you?
@@FahidAl-Shammari My nation's motto is "Freedom or death" , meaning we'd rather die than live without freedom. Freeom mean that I'm allowed to have opinions, to speak OPENLY about my opinions, to criticize my government, to choose where I will live, what I'll do in my personal life. Some years ago I'd never imagine a person advocating against freedom and democracy. But it is what it is.
@@hamlet557 Is it okay to make your decision even if your personal decision hurts others?
Not all saudi like this
Fahid, that would be a good question to ask to Saudi fathers hurting their daughters through their decisions.
These two women are incredibly brave... going against everything they know and leaving their comfort behind for a chance at a new life. Wishing them nothing but the best 🥺
@@user-wkhosyu ???
smd
they escaped to open an only fans
@@randomstranger8326Yes I do agree but their father wasn't supposed to force any of his daughters to marry someone. And obviously homosexuality is Haram
@@incognito__00 nah they just making that up, in islam nobody is to be forced for marriage. These two are just degenerates who want live a life of immorality
When the Turkish photographer learned that they are Saudis his heart missed a beat 😂😂😂
Can you explain me why?
@@nagendraraman6410 Because he obviously was shocked and did not expect them to be Saudis because this is not the norm.
😆
@@Human-bf7kz What no such foreigners ever 'visit' Turkey- just not 'arab' women from such societies, or Saudi in general??
@@Human-bf7kz Thank you.
The physical and emotional abuse is so normalized that the parents were actually shocked when they had enough! Because in their mind what they did wasn’t wrong. That’s how normalized it is.
May to one day change and woman be given the right to be seen as individuals in their own right.
really so they dreem about unvirsity, they leave free education free helthcare freehousing for what a sexuality that netflex premoted ,ask yourself whay the media cover this so much whey they dont cover the handred of girl that deserve asylem like the syrian and so on note :another fact did you know if you get accepted in any college you want outside the kingdom the kingdom pay the fee ,and i want talk about a lot of thing but my english language is not great another note: look at them they are teenager they dont know what good and what bad for them ,the media use them just for show
This is so true
Sarah ... Are you Saudi ?
ملذوع ملذوع she was abused phisically and mentally, they comtrolled her life and tried to force her to get married! This isnt just about sexuality!
Born in Asia and raised in a strict islamic household as a Muslim. In Islam, men's superiority is undeniable.. Because of my hatred for males, I grew up to be a very angry, rebellious adolescent and a sad adult. At one time in my life, I desired to become a man myself because I did not want to be a second-class human being. This teaching can really messed up a person psychologically.
Virtual hugs to you. Being a woman is nothing to be ashamed of.
I’m a gay male and I have a friend who loves in Iraq and he is gay. He lives in constant fear of being murdered. It’s very sad. Middle Eastern countries are terrible when you are gay. And when you are a woman. 😢
F@q
im sorry to hear that, i hope he’ll be in safety soon
I’m so sorry to hear that As a gay guy living in the Middle East, it’s not easy and you have to take caution…that’s being said you still can live peaceful if you knew how to hide it good enough(which is not very hard since it’s something we’ve learned from the begging as LGBTQ people in the Middle East, I’m just saying this to comfort you and sincerely hope that you’re friend is safe🙏🏻🤍
@@mz6367 my boyfriend lives here in America and he’s a Muslim. He’s in the Muslim closet. He’s cautious around other Muslims and says he will be with me forever. He prays 5 times a day and has been teaching me to pray like a Muslim. I think it’s beautiful.
Yes Koran ❤🎉😊😢😮😅😂
That guy worries like its his own kids. The world needs more people like u. Imagine the world filled with caring people. Just imagine 🤔❤️
There are millions of people in this world need help especially the refugees such as the Syrians and Iraqis and more in this world escaping war or oppression on their countries we did not see united nation or any human rights organization over a real assist to them I wonder where is mr Toby Cadman if those people is it because the girls are Saudi so over to help for the sake of human rights !
He is Just working,he get paid for that
@@khalimartins7745 No he's not. 6:29 "Pro bono" means he's doing it for free.
Its all because they are from Saudi arabia, imagine if those girls were from a poor country, no one will even think of helping them.
@@salehsam5147 because they cannot be used as tools for Islamophobia people
For me as an Iranian who has lived in the Middle East, I can assure you that this stuff genuinely does happen. Some people think it is wrong. Others do not.
You need to leave Iran I feel bad for you, You woman deserve much better and should make your own choices We are all humans and equal
Master Chief seeing how Middle Eastern culture is, it makes me happy to be an African muslim tbh.
H A well it depends on the family, how they choose to treat each other. Believe me not all are like that.
@@SssSss-uf3sf Exactly but in this situation the woman was lesbian and no family would ever accept that.
zNxT wait soo ur telling me that the woman with the black shirt is actually gay?
Apologists love to say "it's their culture." If your culture or your interpretation of your religion requires you to imprison half the population in black bags, you aught to abandon it.
Wow, Islam was the only one who did that. I do not look at the injustice of women in other religions. Praise be to God. I was born a Muslim. I am proud of the black bag that I wore. Do not interfere in my religion. He stayed with Satan
@@mariamsss4242 1.) Wahabism is one ultra conservative interpretation of Islam, specifically a sub branch of Hanafi Sunnism, and it's recent. The roots of Wahabism are only like 300 years old, so the majority of the world's Muslims aren't Wahabi, and don't wear the niqab. My country has more than a million Muslims and I have never seen anyone wear it. 2.) The niqab has no explicit basis in Qu'ran 3.) You can wear whatever you want. I don't doubt for one moment that the vast majority of woman in SA WANT to wear the niqab. That's not an issue. The issue is that they don't have a choice. It's a legal obligation put forth by the state.
I've met a few ladies who came from situations like this. One I worked with said her mother got them sent out of her country because as a widow she had nothing unless she had a husband. And the only men who came calling didn't want mother. They wanted daughter who was only 8 at the time. Luck Mother had both brains and money saved up, and decided to go on 'vacation' in south america. Of course they didn't go back home. They found their way into the US and I found the daughter (who was in her thirties by then) to be a very nice person and co-worker.
We are seeing two cultures-One where father treats daughters as slaves and another where a stranger treats a complete stranger girl as his own daughter.
you could find both exemples in all cultures
I'm currently in the same situation as them but dont have the guts to contact the un. I wish I was brave
@@Muslimvibes95 I send you love and strength..❤💓💪
Even women do the same not men
@@Muslimvibes95 don't be stupid even UN pro ughur.
I love how the lawyer is emotionally involved and genuinely worried about their safety... You can see it in his reaction when he calls them after the UN interview
😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
@@kurosawavermouth2357 stfu
@@er.you2594 they probably meant for a crying emoji
Sophie Hanna true... my friend once said that someone had passed away and put this emoji. I think people get confused 🤷♀️
Nah bro, Turks are used to Syrians. Saudi Arabians are usually pretty rich so they dont associate them with ''asylum seekers''
Omg! My heart aches for what they’ve been through and what they’re going through by escaping! The lawyer helping them is an amazing man!! I pray to God they’re ok and are SAFE! 🙏🏽
Don’t say god “god” is the reason people use to oppress women
Sister her family in painfully crying
@@Someone-tu2lbsister or brother please don't do that
@@Khalid-xassan painfully crying??? Nice joke
I have seen a video a year ago. It was them in another country. I wont say where for their security. But they are safe
One thing I love about this video ,is the love between these two sisters ...I hope you find peace ,courage and the strength to go on with your lives !!!💖💖💖💖
The person that told their father of their plans was anything but a friend. It's crazy how some of the women just are okay with being owned their entire lives.
It is sad a unmarried 46 yr old woman still has to listen to her fathers commands like law
Its called internalized misogyny . Honestly if she wants to be a slave so be it , her problem .
The patriarchy wouldn't exist if it wasn't so supported by many weak women. Some women like the benefits of being treated like a child.
This situation is crazy, even princess of the Ottoman caliphate were not forced to wear hijab same goes for the iraqi and Jordanian royal families which are descendants of prophet Mohammed don't wear hijab!
@@sarahursic1151 You literally just said why they acted the way they did, and then said it’s her problem. Yes it is a personal problem but that doesn’t mean they can’t be helped.
Even though I'm muslim, I could never understand the arabs culture
No matter if youre muslim or christian, any people with a heart should not allow them to force women. Our body, our choices!
Ex Muslim here, and I agree.
Kill Me im myself a mexican converted from christianity to the islam cause ive read it and i can tell you that it will open ur eyes. You still sleeping
@@epicmerna I don't doubt you. You converted from one ancient barbaric religion, to the other ancient barbaric religion. I left Islam because I know what it stands for. Most Muslims don't follow the religion too seriously, and are usually good people, but I'd like to hear your experience.
Hey, I never thought anyone notice my comments, haha. But seriously, I was born in Malaysia, and growing up befriending other religion and culture, I never thought that Islam could be potrayed like how this video describe it. Whenever my non muslim ask me about bad issues regarding Islam, the only statement that I gave is because it's their culture, not the religion itself. And I still can't move on with late Farkhunda's case... peace be upon her
I've read multiple books about women from several Middle Eastern countries who have been horribly abused. Some of what they've shared is unspeakablly sad. Not all have violent men in their homes, but many do. Things are changing in Saudi Arabia, but it's slow, from what I've read. The author is Jean Sasson. She is an American who lived in Saudi Arabia for a few years in the 70s, and has written in the style of the women she has gotten to know, even become friends with, sharing their stories. They are not easy reads. Very painful, painful realities that I think most people would rather just pretend don't exist.
What books were they? I’d like to read more on this
Yes but in the Europe this also happen we can’t just point the fingers to a place or people
What dumb book are you read? Some middle east country is extremist is correct but if you think america or europe is better then STFU.. Women here lost their virginity mostly at highschool.. Have sex before married, contribute to high case of single mother… Has issue women did the same job as man but being pay less.. Everywhere just the same… Plus in this video, that kid want to go out from country without any reason, not for studying or working.. I know in west after 18 parent the one who throw thier kid out from a house.. But it different from east!! Eastern people love their kid!! They take care of them even they is old!! Plus in arab country they take care of their family line..
in the 70’s? i thought it was normal there then
@@patorgio7779 It's not the mainstream culture in Europe, though, as it is in Saudi and many parts of India and no doubt other places.
100% of the haters in these comments are Muslim men. That says a lot.
Whn people use extreme culture and their own opinions in the name of religion and law 🤦🏻♀️
@@huegrektion9428 please educate yourself. Saudi Arabia doesn't actually rule by sharia law , they rule by force. They worship traditions not god. They r extreamest who interpret the quran how they wish to suit thier politics and keep ppl inside opressed. Who have zero info about how the situation there so u don't get to judge. I'm a citizen of a Muslim country in the middle east so i know. Secondly study more about how Islam spread and what were those wars about and what actually happened instead of repeating empty ignorant lines u read over the internet or here in the comment section. Education is key. Educate yourself. There is no reason for a bad religion like how u think it is to continue spreading even in the west and ppl choosing it on thier own , Americans, Europeans etc if this religion was actually bad. Those ppl r not idiots. It's over a billion ppl all over the world. So educate yourself
@Joe it's just different cultures. Saudi and Iran both found ways to use religion to twist it into their cultural beliefs. For example, in the quran it says "there is no compulsion in religion" and the ppl in power suddenly are blind to this verse and still enforce things on their ppl because "religion" when it's straight bs. Iran see Saudi as an enemy too surprisingly how similar they r even tho Iranians r all Shia Muslim (diff. from Sunni Saudis). Plus, fyi Lebanon and Tunisia r Arab countries that r very western (they drink alcohol, enjoy partying, and dress how ever they want shorts crop tops whtvr). Hope that helps.
And they make muslims look bad
@@huegrektion9428 excuse you , how disrespectful ,its Muhammed (S.A.W) , and The Qur'an , and who told you it was spread by killing and fear?
@@huegrektion9428 educate your self stop spreading lies about my prophet
Their dad is punching the air right now in Saudi Arabia.
Easha Ahmed it’s so true... lol
ofcourse because of the fix marriage their parents can get money from the family of her future husband they called it dori
@@lucasbarabas2613 it's practiced in Indian culture as well. And it needs to be thrown away
Instead of punching his daughter
ACTUALLY he is lucky he got rid of them🤷🏻♀️
What a coincidence that all of the ancient traditions lead to men getting everything they could possibly want from women.
Brave girls 💕 Praying for their safety and overall well-being 🙏
they were granted alyssum to Canada
I wish more people would watch interviews like these and understand why people flee their countries and try to start new lives in Europe and the US or wherever else. I hate when I see hatred towards immigrants bc all they want is a better life which they deserve and it’s so sad they have to flee all they know to try and reach that.
"No one puts their children in a boat unless the water is safer than the land"
Exactly
omg your comment brought tears to my eyes.
. I would be glad to see a program of citizenship exchange where Americans who see no good in their own country can exchange citizenship with those who WANT to here and who will appreciate what we have here.
Trump should watch this! But he only cares about himself sadly
I felt real panic when the girls weren't answering, and then teared up when it turned out they were OK. No one should have to live in fear like that.
@task force whisky wut?
@task force whisky Well first...if you are going to just make something up...you should at least explain what it even is. Then something about a floor? And assassins? It sounds like someone having a stroke...yet you are implying OTHERS need help... There isn't a single word in your entire gibberish comment that has anything to do with my comment, or the video it is on. 🤡
We all ex Muslims live under that fear all the time unfortunately
@@sumiben5211Turkish ex Muslim here. No we don't. The experience you have depends on your country and culture. In my country you might get some judgement from some religious people but that's about the worst you'll face being atheist
@@godofchaoskhorne5043 you are right it depends on the country and the family as well. Even if you live in a western country, a conservative religious family can make your life a story of hell.
Both parents and children need to have a friendly relationship to avoid such circumstances.. instead of forcing your children to do something, educate them the difference between right and wrong .
God bless these two I hope they carry on to fulfill all their dreams. They are so brave they deserve it
"We are shocked and surprised" Saudi Arabia: *abuses women* Women: *leave* Saudi Arabia: *surprised pikachu face*
Lol So you're really gonna blame 33 million people From 2 people
@@NoGoodNameHelpPLZ im going to blame the government for endorsing this behavior and actively trying to hinder any and all Saudi women from leaving their abusers :/
Pffffttt nice comment
@@PlutoIsntReal_ the government have nothing to do with their family
@@widia1808 no
The Turkish photographer: “where are you from?” the girls: “Saudi Arabia “ The photographer: 😳 👀
facts haahah i would have lied if i were them lol
@@lowlowseesee why? I mean what was the joke there?
so what if someone is Saudi? now this is pure racism
@@nadermanna3072 you're from Jordan right?
@@Stellar_Insights_ why is that assumption?
10:40 when the photographer found out the women were from Saudi, his reaction was PRICELESS
These young women are so brave and inspiring. Love and blessings to you young soldiers of light! 🙏
these girls did not cry once in their interviews. meanwhile, im bawling my eyes out. that strength, determination, its beautiful. absolutely amazing.
Help
Cause they are lying
That is not from strength, that is PTSD and emotional numbness. They have been raised in an environment filled with narcissists and psychopaths, and emotions are just not there. It will take them a whole lot of therapy to become normal and be able to express emotions like normal human beings.
They probably cried enough in Saudi Arabia.
Saudi women are very strong. Also kind. I wish them well.
I’m glad that the two women have each other to support each other during their difficult time
Here at the Saudi Government, we don't let anybody get away 🙃.
Yusuf Baaghil why you all i mean the people who hate my country when they talk about saudi arabia they talk about saudi arabia as mafia ??? dude are you serious 😕 don’t say something that you don’t know if anyone be in europe or america or whatever you will respect there Coulter and Their religion but when it comes to saudi arabia you DON’T !! what’s about france when they said no one will were abaya in their country so all you respect what they said but because as a muslim and as a saudi i’m wearing my abaya because i respect my religion and my country to so stop telling lies and put yourself in our business and trying to the the Superhero who keep telling the saudi teenagers or in a general saudi girls to believe exactly like you or you so weird 😶 you not perfect so don’t make anybody do or believe in your thoughts!!!!!
Noura Sss your english is terrible. But yet your country is worse. Wild.
Yusuf Baaghil 😂😂😂
Blazko English bad her, fun of, don't make. Country her, bad very
I don't really fully understand,how in the world Saudi Arabia have this kind of crazy "guardianship"...a truly shameful system. You must give freedom for everybody. Everyone is entitle to enjoy her life. God created men and women equal.
Ooh yeah and let this so called "freedom" and let these forbidden things value over Islam yeah you make alot of sense🙄
Hi Vice News. This story is very touching. What happened after? Is there a sequel to this documentary? if there is, could you please point me in that direction. Thank you.
After she told the story of how she cut her hair she said that "They (her family) beat me of course". That "of course" is the saddest part. It's like she expected them to do it, and accepted it. It's just so, so wrong. That's their daughter.
@@khodekoala9308 That's even worse than asian parents. I'm Indian and my parents used to scold me and give me lectures(though those "lectures" always had a life lesson with them and tbh they were interested too) almost every day but would rarely beat me. That "rarely" would mean "frequently" for most Europeans(and Americans). They would only beat me for my own good( or at least they thaught that it was good for me, that I'd improve by them beating me) like when I got less marks in test or use their credit card to get something online without their permission. Although I'm not a muslim but to my knowledge most of the muslims have got the same parents as mine. In my opinion it's less about the religion of those people and more about the culture of that particular place
lol that's literally what happened you don't own your body here in saudi if you're in women body
@@khodekoala9308 wtf? Since when fathers can kill daughters freely in Islam without being punished?? Youre sick bro
@@khodekoala9308 wtf? Since when fathers can kill daughters freely in Islam without being punished?? Youre sick bro
honestly its very common in indian and arab culture to beat children
If that "friend" didnt snitched on them, imagine how easy their lives would be. Let's pray for dua n dalal. And god bless, the vice team, the reporter, Ali n toby, they are literal angels.
Maybe that was their trigger for escape.
Praying does nothing, actions do
@@roshnik5137 Well im Thousands of miles away from them N i don't know about any petition SO obviously The best thing i could do for them is pray and share About this 🤦🏻♀️🤦🏻♀️
it would make that much of a difference but def their ids and such would be helpful to have.
Do you still love Starbucks?
I'm surprised this story has not been removed since VICE is now owned by Saudi interests.
“No one is more arrogant toward women, more aggressive or scornful, than the man who is anxious about his virility.” ― Simone de Beauvoir , The Second Sex
Forcing a religion on someone makes them hate it. So if you think that your doing a good deed by ‘forcing’ a religion, know that your not and your just making them hate that religion and not wanna be part of it. It’s so frustrating since it such a beautiful religion. Edit: the reason why I put forcing in quotations is because the person who’s forcing the religion may think that they’re not
Religion can be so beautiful and powerful when the right people are positively representing it. But it makes me angry when people force religious ideas onto people . As a Christian I would forever pray for people regardless of whether they’re religious or not, but I could never force anyone to be Christian
It’s a beautiful religion... ?
Harlotte O'Scara yes the Islamic (faith) is beautifful the religion not other hand people use it for their own agendas wich totally contradict the words of god (Quran)
Such a beautiful religion : Quran surah 4 verse 34 men are in charge of women by right of what Allah has given one over the other and what they spend for maintenance from their wealth So righteous are women who are devoutly obedient guarding in their husbands absence what Allah would have them guard but those wives from whom you fear arrogant first advised them then if they persist forsake them in bed ... And finally strike them but if they obey you , seek no means against them ...
Jad Alexander it sure is beautiful. same verse?is there any other verse that you find that makes Islam look dangerous ?
This is concerning considering Twitter is actively deactivating their accounts and there's no updates in over a year.
Twitter loves saudi arabia
Omg🤤
Twitter is an islamafascist social media organisation
Omg are they ok
@@harisrevatcha1748 islamfacist bro what💀
My heart goes out to these women and the women who have to experience things like this. I’m so happy they’re safe but I can’t imagine how scary that was
Its so good to know that there are support networks out there to help these women escape. Everyone deserves a life that is a free life, free of threats and violence where someone else does not own you until the day you die.
I also ran away from Saudi Arabia. I still haven't gotten my asylum but I have a relatively good job for someone without a finished college degree and live safely with a wonderful support system. I am also a lesbian and that's my primary reason for escaping, beside other ones such as being an atheist. I did the same thing as Dua which is get my hair cut! It is one of the first things I did since my mom would have never allowed it, I am feminine sometimes but I look mainly more tomboyish. The entire documentary is very difficult for me to watch as I worry very much for these girls and I can feel their fear and anxiety, they are in survival mode and will need support in the future when they recall this stressful and uncertain time. When their family tried to manipulate them by saying "we did nothing to you" and act as if what these girls did is extreme, no the abuse they went through is extreme, my family tried to gaslight me the same way and denied they harmed me and would harm me if I came back, but I am also not stupid, and I would never go back, freedom and safety from abuse is irreplaceable.
Sending you more power
@Ovo Maltine I am doing well! I have a wonderful support system, good job where there is opportunity for growth with a kind manager and coworkers, and I am going to community college soon. I am stressed about the fact that I don't have my asylum granted yet, but my lawyer is very optimistic I will win my case. As long as I get to work and live normally I can wait. Thank you for asking!
I hope you win the case and get it soon ❤️ I also an atheist and lesbian but I still live in Saudi Arabia. I hope I have the courage to leave this country one day.
@@na-dy5rd thank you! I am so sorry about your situation, it's not fair. if you want to talk to someone, for advice or just to vent feel free to reach me. stay strong!
@@shhsjsnsnsk thank you so much! I really appreciate it
Is it just me getting these "Visit Dubai" ads? The timing is oddly...odd. Lol.
i wont visit Dubai even if they gave it for me for free ,no way i will support a Gov. like that
@@daptomycinabd541 Dubai is in UAE, not Saudi. Get your facts straight. And good, Dubai will surely not welcome you in the first place.
@@IxoraNera Do you live in a box? How dare you call a whole country terrorist? Stick your head in a book or something, perhaps learn more about the country before claiming facts.
@@leyanjazzar5883 everyone knows Dubai is in UAE smartass , All Gulf Countries should be wiped out from the map , i mean how they treat Workers from asia like Slave ! it is just sick
Daptomycin Abd except Bahrain and Oman lol
As an ex Muslims. Muslim women who are saying this is wrong should know that shariya law is practiced in Saudi that means whatever is seen in this video is absolutely right according to Islam. More reasons for you to dive deep and actually read the terrible things instead of the sugar quoted feminism.
Toby is an angel, as another Arab girl thanks for helping these girls and treating them so well
First time I saw a lawyer with a heart...not just doing a pro bono for their service but how worried he was when they can't get ahold of the girls bec they where advised so. God bless this lawyer.
Yeah you could see the relief in his eyes when they called him to let him know they’re safe!
A lots of f....ing stress.... I just felt like him.
Poor guy
Also the guy named Ali
Lots of lawyers are like that. Source: listened to court hearings for the past 15 years.
I’m happy that the Turkish government helps these girls, and protects them.
T N why should he keep all the millions of refugees? Thats so expensive plus the eu countries promised him money
Turkey and SA are historically and politically enemies so it's natural.
@@yamaa3241 yeah actually u make since as turkey isn't a lgbtq+ supporter and turkish people face almost the same problem so having turkey helping them is quite weird
Mariam m what do you think Turkey is? Turkey is not an open lgbt supporter country yet we don’t stone anyone, we’re not Arabs
Mariam m Turkey never banned homosexuality or anything in its existence.
18:30 that man was on the verge of tears. I wonder what it is like working that kind of job and dealing with cases like this all the time.
It would be utterly crushing for him if they just POOF! disappeared and he never ever knew what happened. What a good man he is.
The sister with the pixie cut is so intellegent and calm. I can't fathom how they both stay so calm and brave.
her name is dua
Is their biggest hope, they are afraid but also excited
Calm ? No she's Not calm at all , it's opposite
You know the dad is lying right off the bat, especially when he says " they're putting ideas into their heads". My parents have said those words every single time they were unhappy with a choice I've made, or didn't agree with me on something. Eugh.
Isn’t it precious, that the father can’t even acknowledge that his daughters can have opinions of their own? That says a lot about the culture 😑
@@ludmilamaiolini6811 not even necessarily the culture, but the individual.
@@ren6737 I'd say a mixture of both. This culture definitely doesn't respect women's rights
@@ren6737 Individuals who act inline with the culture. Culture literally dictates individual's attitudes, behaviors and expectations. And islam is thier way of life.
It’s funny that he said that because he doesn’t realize that Islam ideas or god’s ideas were also put in his head.
Arab people should learn how to treat women well. For God sake those are your mothers, sisters, or wives in future. They’re not properties that you own !!!!
What a sad situation for this girls, they are running away from the person that should protect them
The happiness on their faces when they got their id pictures im crying i feel awful. We take our freedom for granted imagine living or being on the run like this.
Pretty much everywhere in the world in domestic abuse live like this. I'm on the run. Living in fear for my life. Abusive families are everywhere hun welcome to the real world.
@@healingandgrowth-infp4677 well they are meaning like here in the US or any freedom place we take it for granted like getting a ID and being freely to express your self etc is so normal so eh whatever we never think about it .
@@lisavanderpump7475 Yeah, Ms. "INFP" (lol) was seriously out to lunch there.
24:00 'Our country is very advanced.' No, sir, it is not. It is steeped in oppression and cruelty.
listen you just saw this video i mean wth the nobody is forced a man wanted to marry my aunt and my aunt said no sorry nobody get’s forced here in saudi arabia they want the women to wear abaya’s bc if the country’s strict religion killing is haram and saudi arabia is an amazing pretty country nobody abuse’s everybody welcome’s you trust me ppl that are foreigners got stopped by polices saying oh take my number and my snap and my insta and blah blah and when you need help tell me in an exciting voice have of this is a lie don’t believe everything you see
@@somebodycool8544 your aunt could say no because the men in her life allowed her to say no.
@@kevinmathewson4272 Your comment made me laugh but its true anyway 😂😂
@@kevinmathewson4272 yeah and if they did then it's their own fault, not islam nor the saudi government. It's forbidden in Islam to force women into marrying someone and the saudi education teached us about that.
@@aza8109 if it's freaking "forbidden" why are Saudi girls LEAVING Saudi Arabia for that same reason......
Im so proud of them
I admire the courage of those two women .... I admire them both -... and I admire those who helped ... God bless you all ...
Journalist:You're daughters are saying that if you or saudi embassy find them, you would kill them. Dad: No, that is a family issue... Translation...they will die or be tortured to death in secrecy. There's your answer👀
Iam afraid this will happen and it will one of the many "honour killings " cases💔💔
i think you do lack a bit of understanding, she asked if he wanted to get the saudi embassy or government involved in returning his babies, and he said no its a family business meaning he doesn't want anyone to get involved or to harm his daughters and that governments shouldn't get involved in capturing his kids... that's what he said in Arabic .. he actually claimed that they are only liying to get the Asylum in the west and that they've been sold fake dreams by the people that helped and showed them how to escape and get an asylum case.. and this is cas is true as there's a lots of smugglers who are promoting this to girls and charge them to get them abroad and get them lawyers that will teach them what to say so they can get the asylum thinking that this asylum would enter them in a heaven where people are equal and where life is free but in fact they will discover the reality soon and realise that they've been lied to
We all will wait for an update about the girls soon and hoping they are well , safe and sound. Please pray for thier safety and well being .
People who use its family issues.... just run
RAOUF ADEAR I don’t believe this
The man who is helping them is also a angel on earth!!
An*
Good for those 2 sisters that got out my prayers go out to them!
They thought they are in safe place developed country R.i.p
Yeah and after they fled they shocked that living out Saudi Arabia isn't a paradise so they regretted leaving saudi arabia and that why they committed suicide after they realized that they been screwed
@@saudiranger4007lies….
I hope these courageous young women are safe and living their dreams in a country that will welcome and cherish them. Their bravery should be an inspiration to all those who are unjustly persecuted for being who they are. I pray they are safe.
The way their lawyer worries for them! So wholesome
Yea, from the looks of it, he’s been the closest thing to a father figure they’ve ever had compared to their biological father. That’s depressing, he should feel like the failure he is.
Because he has an agenda he’s a homosexual himself
I'm so confused as to why they're showing every single location.
I think the girls already left Istanbul. The video would not have been shown while they were still there, hiding.
@himo M do you this this was a made up story from the sisters?
Same here!
@himo M lol
Same
Imagine having to flee so your own family doesn’t kill you or the government doesn’t throw you in jail. We are very lucky living in a free country, where our luck is just up to us.
I was soo sad and happy for them...congratulations both of you..
WE'D REALLY LOVE TO SEE AN UPDATE ON THEIR LIVES.
YES INDEED VICE MUST UPDATE! .-.
i think it's better for them not to go online often...they will never be safe from Saudis, and it's better for them for a while to live their lives without internet for a few years, until they grow up a bit, so their family can't recognize them...leave them in peace
Lunatic Enemy wont they have protection so their families or the saudi government cannot do anything to them?
Me too
I heard that you hey are good and actually got accepted into a university of some sorts .
Abusive people always say that the abused have been influenced/someone's putting ideas in their head/they are liars. Its the Abuser defense starter pack.
It is definitely influenced. Lgbtq isn’t prevalent in Saudi Arabia. It’s bound to be picked up from the western media.
@@t-dog1230 bring gay isnt a choice
@@t-dog1230 lol wtf are you even saying there ARE gay ppl everywhere but they don't come out as they're scared
I am from India. There was an incident in 2017, I think, when two UAE princesses escaped by boat into the Indian ocean to escape to my country India with a plan to seek asylum in USA from India as a base. But the king came to know about it, informed the Indian authorities and in a lightning operation within a few hours with coast guard and naval special forces, Indian government made a grab in international waters and handed them over to UAE authorities. They never reached Indian territory. I know this part of the story but the Indian government nor the BJP have never explained to the people of India their rationale for such action, which is against Hindu culture. Could you please do a investigative piece on that. I want all three sides of the story, especially the Indian government's.
I feel so bad for those 2 princesses. it gives me chills thinking about what could've possibly happened to them after the handover.
i must say man vice news is really unbiased about religious sides and as an Indian i really respect it
Dear Vice, after the pandemic, when it’s safe to travel, please do a follow up!!!!
If it's safe for them, of course!
Quran 2:256 : “there is no compulsion in religion.” Whoever forces someone to do something because it’s compulsory in Islam has made up rules of their own, it has nothing to do with Islam.
Islamophobes be like : *no, you’re not supposed to say that*
Islam has nothing to do with Islam.
That's right, so, what is the punishment for apostacy in Islam? Death. Ding ding ding! Quran just contradicted itself.
@@Kopie0830 have a look at this link. Hopefully it will clear up to you that this seemingly contradictory comment is not a contradition at all. islamqa.info/en/answers/20327/why-is-the-apostate-to-be-executed-in-islam This is a trusted source of Islamic info by the way, and not some random unknowledgeable person speaking their mind. Moreover, the entire Quranic verse is: There shall be no compulsion in [acceptance of] the religion. The right course has become clear from the wrong. So whoever disbelieves in Taghut and believes in Allah has grasped the most trustworthy handhold with no break in it. And Allah is Hearing and Knowing. There is no compulsion in the ACCEPTANCE of Islam. But if a Muslim apostates, he/she will be killed, and the reason is detailed in the link.
Bareaah Malik the fact that you would defend this is barbaric and absurd beyond belief. But at least you’re honest about Islamic violence.
This video shows it was filmed 3 years ago. What is the status of them now anyone knows?
Hi vice news ! Any updates ?
I feel so sad for these women. They are intelligent capable people like any other. It's really heartbreaking how they suffer at the hands of their men.
Xinnie The Pooh that’s saudi law not islam🤦🏻♂️
@@flamefox5450 stfu, they are the same no diffrence.
FlameFOX it’s Shariat law, which is basically islam.
er.you25 [#] no it isn’t saudi arabia is the only muslim country with these laws
@@flamefox5450 The problem is the men exactly. They should be the ones fighting for women's right in their countries. It's not just Saudi Arabia, this is going on around all Islamic countries. I don't care about what the law says, I care about what the men are doing about all this inequality aimed at women.
This is why I wish our governments would be more lenient towards asylum seekers.
The ones who are oppressed
No, our government kisses the asses of the Saudi government. Our misogynist in chief doesn't care about anything except corruption and power. The Saudis got a slap on the wrist for killing Kashoggi in such a barbaric manner.
@Myth Fury l don't understand your statement.
Well most of them are not like them. Most want to kill them.
Which government do you mean “our government “?
Any update on this? I saw it the day you released it here and I’m hoping they are in safe and healthier space
What happened to these girls? Were there any updates on their situation?
Aww the lawyer saying “don’t do it again” the Dad energy they need ❤️
I'm so happy that they seems to have a happy ending. They remind me of a Saudi sisters who escaped and stayed in NY, I forgot the whole story but I think they didn't get approve on their asylum application, so instead of going back home where they knew they will be killed, they both jump off the Hudson River. Bodies were found days later, they taped each other's body making sure they will be found together. Very heartbreaking story.
So tragic.
A true tragedy.
@@tranxvillanueva1092 please stay in Dubai. Western countries are worst.
@@starlingdope1226 you clearly don't know anything about the west
@@starlingdope1226 Being able to have free will despite my gender is the worst? Ok buddy sure
this is why religon shoudlnt be forced on anyone!!!!
I'm crying... my heart!
That lawyer was genuinely worried. You can see it in his eyes, and at his reaction when a text finally came through.
I feel sorry for their mother having to deal with being the punching bag as you know their dad is taking it out on her.
Danielle Bridgeman I agree with top comment. The wife in this situation was definitely abused more so following the girls’ disappearance. America isn’t 100% free but we do have freedom of speech and can say things such as but not limited to: it is no surprise women especially are seeking asylum and running from a country which grants them little to no freedoms interpersonally and online. A country which mandates ideologies such as sexuality and religion is one which thrives on a dead system, enriched by the powerlessness of its people. The rich get richer, the poor stay poor. And the women? Well they just have to have sex with old, rich creeps to feel like they have value in their own country. Imagine being the wife in this situation. I know deep down she’s rooting for her daughters even if she’s stuck with her husband’s hands on her throat.
@Danielle Bridgeman Dude, chill the hell out and stop defending things you don't understand. I'm an Arab and I lived under oppression. Non Arab muslims or converts don't live the same life style as arab women living in arab countries. So yes Islam can be a safe haven for some people and simultaneously be the reason people live in fear and oppression. Don't discredit people's experience just because you saw one side. When the girls mentioned being abused by their father, can you imagine what would happen to the wife? All the blame will fall on her shoulders for not raising her daughter's "right". You can not even fathom the danger. You don't see how truly brave these women are. What is the USA promoting? Are you implying people shouldn't share their stories to keep up the image that Saudi is somehow heaven on earth? All countries have their shame. These are real people that have the right to get protection and regardless of where the people that help them are from... this was a life or death experience. Instead of trying to silence people keep an open mind.
@@zahrarose6333 same sis Im Arab and not all of us live the same. But hunny Islam is a religion it's not a culture. So the fear comes from the culture not Islam. The interesting thing about this if their life is hell why would they go on a vacation to turkey. I know a lot of saudi's and I live in Saudi Arabia, why would someone who makes their family live like hell go on a vacation... It's weird to me. These stories are real of course but idk... If you live in an abusive household why would ever they think about going on a vacation.
@@youarepretty5299 Abusive people go on vacations too. I'm also Arab and I know a shitton of people in abusive families that go on vacations. There are no rules preventing them from doing that. This family seems like a pretty standard Saudi family, who can afford vacations but also do comply with very strict sexist cultural norms that heavily restrict their daughters' freedoms. Having enough money to go on a vacation does not magically make you more tolerant and loving. Abuse is also really complicated. The parents probably think everything they're doing is completely normal and consider that they do love their daughters ( which is why they beat them and restrict their freedoms- to make their daughters conform to what they think is best for them, no matter how mislead that belief is).
I don’t think any of us English folks from North America can truly understand the situation there. Saudi is not perfect but a lot of people are happy. In uni I had a (female) friend who was an exchange student from Saudi. She was very family oriented and always said nice things about her dad. She never drank alcohol or had a boyfriend but she was ok with that. I don’t think she was abused since she didn’t break the rules /: The concept of arranged marriage and male only leadership is not Islam exclusive. Christians have the FLDS and Islam has Saudi Arabia/Pakistan etc. This type of cult like brainwashing is not how I like my religion but who am I to judge. People will defend their beliefs to death. Also this friend was rich af (like these girls probably were). Her family owned a 4 story condo building that housed their entire extended family. She would fly back any time we had more than 3 days off. In Canada, she was renting a $2500/month apartment with her brother and sister.
they are blessed to have each other
Is there an update on the outcome for these two sisters?
The activist, Toby is more of a father figure than their own father
This is a repost. I was hoping it would be a followup.
Same I wanna know if they're okay.
I still wonder about them from time to time
I remember watching this when it first came out. I hope they are ok and made it somewhere safe. No one deserves to be hunted like that, especially by your own government/family.
Saudi King Volintine Ander of Arabia 😢, this is crazy, the world needs to change. Everyone deserves freedom and happiness
I think I remember them being given asylum in Canada. Australia also offered them asylum.
Could we possibly get an update on these two?
this is extremely depressing I would hate to live this way